Collector Phil Toledano Discusses His Vintage Patek Philippe Watches | Perpetually Patek

With pieces like the Beta 21, Calatrava, and “Nautilipse,” artist and collector Phil Toledano's (@misterenthusiast on Instagram) vintage Patek Philippe collection is pleasantly out of the ordinary.
In this episode, Toledano joins hosts Brian Govberg and Tim Mosso at the Armoury in New York City to take a closer look at the fine details of his distinct collection of timepieces. A conceptual artist by trade, Toledano dissects the design elements of each watch while sharing why the aesthetics are meaningful to him.
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00:00 Introduction
00:56 Starting a Vintage Collection
03:06 The Beta 21
06:03 1970's Patek Philippe
09:34 Patek Phillipe Design Aesthetic
12:24 Exploring Phil's Collection
16:45 Collection Philosophy
20:20 Importance of Vintage Design
22:38 Collection Questions

[@theonewson1987]

“When you collect it’s a reflection of who you are, a lot of ppl when they collect, it is a reflection of who everyone else is” this is bang on!

[@asadrehman1400]

I find his statement very narcissist and contradictory, specially when he's said multiple times he would not own a watch that most of the other people in the room are waring. The statement should be "when you collect its a reflection of who you want to be" Most people want to be either there heros or the fantasy version of themselves.

[@jimmillett9224]

Tim and Brian educatng the watch community that there is a whole world outside of the hyped models. Brilliant show guys.

[@valebliz]

Brian? Really? The same guy saying he was glad patek wasn’t willing to sell you an aquanaut strap of a different color from your original one? Lol

[@jbbittencourt]

That's a true collector. You can see the passion when he talks about his watches. Great episode, Tim!

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

Thanks, Jonathan. It was fun meeting this guy. I'd love to shoot a feature with his cars in the future. Best, Tim

[@jbbittencourt]

@@the1916companywatchreviews I am sure it would be another amazing episode! Thanks, Tim!

[@vgcamara]

Great collector that doesn't even know the reference of the watches he own 🤣

[@matthewhelm3035]

An adult version of Talking Watches. Fascinating episode with a true collector. More of these discussions please. Thanks

[@simonassouline1230]

Obscurity in the eye’s of the beholder, leads to rationality in their frame of mind! Different strokes, for different folks! Pateks look so classic!

[@robertschmidt9584]

Great comment

[@mickeyx6746]

Great programming! I love that this collection is non-mainstream and your collector does not follow the herd. Well done!

[@markchodotcom]

Great interview, awesome to see Brian, Tim and Phil together! He's a wonderful collector with a great eye. Also, thanks to the Watchbox team for shooting at The Armoury!

[@robertosanchez4021]

It's incredible how "avant garde" those 70's cases and integrated bracelets were...chapeau for "Perpetually Patek" Brian and Tim...

[@SwissWatchGang]

Well done gents👏🏻

[@robertschmidt9584]

Fascinating marriage of perspective and passion for watches that are not necessarily what we expected from a Patek (among other brands) collector.

[@MohammedAzzaoui]

Always interesting collectors and special personalities being reflected in their collections, love this format and the differences in our watch community

[@samw1248]

Tim is such a great interviewer, he somehow talks the perfect about and let’s the guest have the spotlight. The interview flows very well, bravo Tim!

[@Reyone13]

I really appreciate a lot of what this guy has to say. He's not a sheep following the herd. Good on him.

[@harg8939]

Thanks to Phil for a trip to memory lane especially on the Patek Ellipse. Made me want to own the modern Ellipse piece in the future.

[@SevGW]

Absolutely LOVED this! Nice dudes nice talks! Thank you!

[@1989DJJD]

I love that Phil is wearing an Ikepod during a Patek chat.

[@RebirthBeyond]

Great video and I learned of many new Pateks. Thanks guys

[@GailitisPrintmaking]

Very nice interview. Loved to see some engravings on the dial!

[@Redondo_dom]

I love collectors like this. Collect what they like not what everyone is into.

[@sergioramirez1693]

Nice collection. As a 27yr old i actually like his collection man. I can see myself with this collection of watches someday if these are still around 😅

[@TheVarskvlavtbichuna]

Enjoyed the show, charming pieces 👍

[@herbmerced7780]

Very refreshing way of collecting!

[@timeisahumanconstruct9251]

I love it when mechanics are into watches.

[@grooviec]

If you guys are interested, my dad owns a Patek Philippe Beta 21 (the second one, ref 3603) that belonged to my grandpa. It's full platinum (case and bracelet), I did research online and could only find solid gold and white gold versions.

[@f5garage401]

Great guest. Cool collection

[@anthonyjackson31]

This style is DEFF coming back for sure. The rotation is happening. I am a fan of the dressy odd balls. Cool video.

[@anteroceschin6649]

"The Horological Australia"...."There's stuff from that era that exists nowhere else"... Archie Luxury!

[@notyourdaddy8300]

That mullet is fantastic.

[@Gregy917]

A true cool Watch enthousiaste ✌🏻

[@andersonmcintosh7214]

Lovely unique collection

[@oktfg]

More of this please

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

I don’t know what it is but I’m so I in love with the Cartier Ballon Bleu in solid gold.

[@ianmedium]

Who was buying these watches in the 1970´s? Well, as someone who lived through the seventies I think the problem now is that so many collectors are young, perhaps just born then but really most we see as here are probably born in the eighties or nineties and have come into watches in the time of the resurgence and romancing of mechanical watches so have no comprehension how revolutionary quartz, electric or tuning fork watches were back then and of that pack it was quartz that was the real revolution. The seventies were a decade of looking forward, where innovation was celebrated and waited for. Now, it seems in the watch world people are looking backwards and only celebrating mechanical. Back then, the hip young types you see here in this video gave their eye teeth to be early adopters. To own a watch that basically only needed a battery every couple of years, that could withstand shocks that no mechanical could endure and that gave such accuracy that in the real world the only time you would have to touch them was when the clocks changed twice a year! You have to also remember; these were practical things that also could be a fashion or social statement. My older cousin had a speedmaster which he sold to pay for one of the first-generation Seiko LCD watches, who wanted old fashioned when you could have cutting edge technology if you were younger back then. I could not wait to get my first quartz watch, I was not the first at school to get one but oh boy, when I did everyone wanted to look at it, press the buttons, see the LCD display light up and see the digits race on the chronograph. I was a kid back then so could not afford all the higher end examples, All I could do was drool as did most watch buyers, it was not a quartz crisis to us, it was a revolution! Now I am older and can afford them I have steadily built my collection of seventies quartz watches. Just the other day I got a 1977 Certina LCD made in 1977, beautifully made, you have to see these watches in the flesh to appreciate the quality. The circuit board and electrics are surrounded by large chunks of metal to protect them, these are not dime store quartz watches! And then there is the seventies design. With a few exceptions if you look at watches produced in the fifties or sixties they are very much like now, instead of a sea of sports watches that are so hard to tell apart now they were a sea of dress watches, again, all so hard to tell apart. Then the seventies came and oh boy, what a blast, colours, case shapes, advanced movements, who would not be buying these is more the question that should be asked! This gentleman's collection is stunning, well done for thinking outside the box sir!

[@juniorjohnson5961]

I was in my early 20s in the 70s my first nice watch was a Two Tone Datejust , I also couldn't wait to buy a Quartz watch i was fascinated with the technology & the idea that i didn't have to wind it & the accuracy.

[@ianmedium]

@@juniorjohnson5961 You would have been around the same age as my cousin. I think pretty much everyone around that age could not wait to get into quartz. I really don´t think many will understand this unless you lived through it. I suppose the best way to describe it for this generation is that it is a bit like going from a house phone to an iPhone 14 in one jump!

[@juniorjohnson5961]

@@ianmedium I was born 1953 & the growth in technology was amazing , when transistor radio came I was amazed that i could walk around & listen to the baseball games & the Dave Clark Five & then color TV 😱

[@ianmedium]

@@juniorjohnson5961 and video recorders, I remember my first, a Sharp with a forty foot long cable remote😂 but what was even more incredible back then was how quickly this new technology became not only affordable but cheap! In less than four years it went from a Seiko LCD watch costing more than a speedy to being able to buy a Timex in Woolworth with even more functions for five quid!

[@kevtill5609]

He desires watches & other things that people don’t like.. Well he certainly hit it out of the park with that gray jumpsuit

[@juniorjohnson5961]

Yep !

[@xekret]

Looks like he works at Jiffy lube lol

[@ArnavKathuriapersonal]

So true all i want is a porsche and a speedmaster

[@jolness1]

‘So it should be disorganized with bad teeth’ lol I am not a contrarian by principle and I definitely have much different preferences but he clearly loves what he has and that’s great.

[@SpaghettiKillah]

Take notes people. This is how what a *REAL* collector looks and talks like.

[@theRappinSpree]

I know it was Pateks but what an opportunity to ask him to break about his white gold Midas!

[@bjsing247]

Fascinating stuff and conversation, thanks for showing us. But what is Tim wearing? I feel inadequate not knowing and having to ask on a watch with those features! I was distracted and now NEED to know Thanks again

[@marijanlorencin8022]

I believe is Dan Royter DR02, watch from Tim collection

[@joehughes3764]

How charming is he. If Hugh Grant is every busy they should cast him

[@billmoss2877]

Reminder: “Pathological Contrarian.” That’s Brillo!

[@marcoharrogate]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@caliberyqg2137]

👏👏👏

[@victorcotto6699]

Chuffed to bits.

[@LesterLovesWatches]

01:08 oh god! But don’t switch off, power through, it gets better!

[@MrBrianamorin]

Would love to know what watch Tim is wearing, TIA.

[@marijanlorencin8022]

I believe is Dan Royter DR02

[@cctc788]

I am getting a neck cramp by watching Brian turning his head left and right, left and right. Hope he is well.

[@MDchaz]

Cool collection. When some people Zig others Zag.

[@andyshinnnn]

If I close my eyes, I think it's Daniel Day Lewis speaking lol

[@a.s.2426]

Tim, Are you donning Armoury garb here?

[@josecmunozromero]

Intro song?

[@adrianonast3599]

He’s bought all the PP no one else wanted so you didn’t have to

[@Reference-ev4nu]

A different type of collector

[@franckaffolaby1429]

Finalement les 2 epoques 2 vies de la Polo de Piaget proviennent des inspirations Patek 🤔

[@franckaffolaby1429]

😅😅😅😅 Collision Nautilus-Ellipse 🤣..... au debut quand je lai vu je me suis dis Wow une Pre-nautilus 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@corlenwilschire]

Pat Phil

[@thewatchg.o.a.t.9157]

First on the comments do I win a prize 🏆🥇

[@the1916companywatchreviews]

Yes, you have our gratitude. Best, Tim

[@agungnarendra776]

Already turned off by the hosts by min 1:20 as both don’t look at all enthusiastic about their guest’s perspective but rather so eager to show off their knowledge. Stayed just because Phil is such a character

[@glanci82]

when you go you go to a party and everyone is wearing Nautilus and Aquanaut.. ........ never happened to 99.9% of the world population

[@DavidDatura]

I can understand where this Toledano guy is coming from. Still, this collection is fugly 😬 I still believe the 70s was the decade that style forgot.

[@NOZYB]

You could buy a 3940 and 3970 from the 70s ... mhh no

[@crisholmurb007]

OMG - this guy is just too much. Bet he runs his own micro brewery in the back of his old Aston DB5 while growing ecological coffee beans on his 25 million penthouse terrace.

[@valebliz]

Well, at least it seems he makes his money being an artist and not an entrepreneur slaving his workforce but selling himself as a forward thinker.

[@geoffwyness2645]

Junk

[@RemzieB]

Uninspiring collection

[@Blackpanthersrevenge]

This video made me realize patek from the 70’s to today is a bunch of bullshit. Patek in the 70’s may as well been Nixon. Gross.

[@tytytyme33]

Intro song???