Star Wars Aftermath: Empire's End Review - Jedi Council

[@andrepreza1302]

The Jar Jar story was amazingly clever. Not only did it make sense in the inner star wars story, it was also a perfect reflection of why that character was created by lucas, and his purpose of entertaining children, and how he is ultimately scorned by older star wars fans, as a simptom of a much greater flaw in the prequel trilogy. I feel like Lucas himself needs to read that chapter,if he hasn't already, for it was an incredible tribute and a great show of respect and understanding for his ideas.

[@bokvarv1926]

I don't know if it is a mystery HOW Snoke knows what he knows? He comes from the unknown regions, the same place the opening crawls go, he simply read them and thus he knows etc.

[@PJ-oq9wg]

Guys you didn't address the mention of Thrawn and the possibility of him still being alive in the unknown region aboard the Eclipse! Sloan finds the Eclipse out there, i think it could be Thrawn leading it. Palpatine pulls Thrawn away from Rebels and sends him into the unknown because he's somewhat familiar with it

[@jeffreyelliott713]

Thrawn is lost with Ezra bridger so it couldn't be him on the eclipse but a good guess nonetheless

[@andrewelliott8084]

I listened to all of them on Audible - the combination of the John William's score along with the Star Wars sound effects totally enhanced the experience. Not to mention the amazing voice work that brings to life all the various characters. I have a long commute to work, plus go to the gym and this makes listening to audio books the ideal way to "experience" books along with making the time go by faster. Aftermath 6/10, Life Debt 8/10, Empire's End 9/10 - the overall trilogy taken as a whole 9/10. This is a very essential read, or listen, for Star Wars fans.

[@mikeparker5792]

Andrew Elliott I defiantly agree with you bro. Marc Thompson brings the characters to life in these books. I would give them the same score. Also the way they portrayed Yupe Tashus death in Empire's End was awesome, one of my favorite parts of the book.

[@TheCAWYRO]

Its cool Luke and Leia were born on the first day of the empire, and Kylo was born on the last day.

[@DaaaaaapleSmit]

CAW YRO Luke and Leia were born two days after Empire Day...

[@danyyeltr4803]

Jar Jar's fate actually hit me surprisingly hard, it really made me sad x) I guess I actually cared somewhat for that doofus... Somehow whether through generational nostalgia or that he just never meant any harm. :(

[@Chris_Meade]

DanyyelTR Same, I want jar jar to be happy

[@ComanderScar]

DanyyelTR I always hated that character, and still do tbh. But even so, It's quite a sad ending to his story.

[@docduck5990]

sad he didnt die lmao

[@joebaumann3620]

I was hoping for that. Or at least leave him as a clown on a planet we know gets destroyed in TFA so we can be fairly safe saying he is dead. But this leaves it open even though unlikely for him to appear again. Even if just in a kids show it's too much. lol

[@joebaumann3620]

He's not dead so if the one fan of his out there decides to write a book we may not be rid of him.

[@joshrodriguez1351]

My favorite part was when lil Gally was talking about "THE OLD REPUBLIC", "THE SITH EMPIRE" and "WHAT LIES BEYOND THE OUTER RIM?". This brings in ALL kinds of possible story lines into cannon. Yuuzhan Vong maybe???

[@anthonyshepherd-keys4427]

joshua rodriguez if only

[@jasond011]

Sadly, the Yuuzahan Vong after reading the second book with them is where the old EU lost me :( I didn't like that story arc, felt it was reaching for something more sensational to happen, including the death of Chewie, not that it wouldn't be the natural progression of things to lose a main character, rather they just didn't fit, to me, for some reason.

[@ComanderScar]

joshua rodriguez in all honesty, i hope the yuzhan Vong never come back to canon. Might just be me, but I never liked that idea. Just didnt fit

[@joebaumann3620]

They did keep it in canon that the Chiss are out there in Wild Space and even say how Thrawn gave the Emperor quite a bit of info about what is out there and how to get there. I don't think they are going to a new galaxy but simply to the parts of this one that are uncharted (and that seems to be about half the galaxy). If it takes the fastest ships days or weeks to get to places in the same galaxy it would take centuries to make it to another galaxy even if you spent the whole time in hyperspace. Unless a race like the Vong that have been travelling for generations to get here and that is who they are going to meet. I don't think they'll ever bring in the Vong but I can see the Emperor having quite a bit stockpiled where no one can get to it. And that is where the map leads them.

[@joebaumann3620]

I liked it because it was something different and the Force just didn't work the same with them. If the Empire was still around when they made it to the galaxy in the old EU they wouldn't have gotten far. I don't see them leaving the galaxy with so much of Wild Space unexplored and knowing from TFA that is where The First Order is based and has been building for decades.

[@ChristopherLeeGallant]

Someone needs to sit down with Ken Napzok and explain to him what a spoiler is. He's constantly giving real spoilers in the non-spoiler part of the video. But I will say that I do enjoy how he talked and described the book. Excellent video Collider!

[@newt2942]

Wendig did a fantastic job on this book and the overall trilogy. I agree with Ken on the overall score. Any canon junkie has to read these three books because of the loads of information within the story and in the interludes. Wendig definitely got better at making the interludes relevant to the current setting as the series went on. The four or five chapter conclusion of Empire's End is the most exciting writing in the new canon, in my opinion. Lots of answers and lots of questions. There is no doubt in my mind that Sloane will find Snoke in the Unknown Regions.

[@thefirstorder3477]

Just finished empires end and holy shit it was amazing 😍 I loved all of them I felt like waiting and reading all at once was the best way to read them which I did

[@ZachBobBob]

Can't wait to watch this in a year when I've finally read all three books. Still gotta finish Bloodline and start Lost Stars

[@The_Mancalorian]

Great book. I get harloff's complaint about Rax ending up a weak villain, but I think that was the point. The true villain of the story is Palpatine still. Rax was only ever a cog in the contingency machine, no matter what he thought. Plus a REALLY funny trolling of all the people who bizarrely thought he'd be Snoke.

[@hakim7945]

Last time I was this early Han shot first

[@Efstarforce330]

Why were you watching Han's Sextape? THAT THING OLD MAN!

[@somarriba333]

Phasma was mentioned? I missed that.

[@HundredScars]

Huge Star Wars, schmoedown, collider fan. Had an idea for reviews on these Star Wars books or anything for that matter. I was left feeling this wasnt spoilery enough and there were questions I had that weren't addressed. The idea I had is even though you aren't doing these reviews live maybe you can announce on Jedi council for your audience to send in questions before the spoiler review so that you can spend a few minutes on specific things we want spoiled. I love what you guys are doing. Keep up the great work. Peace.

[@jpayne314]

Hope Kristian does another interview with Chuck, this series just keep getting stronger.

[@Ryanmegachannel]

I liked the "war is coming" chapter

[@NoStyleDutch]

Perri has become one of my favorite hosts at collider, if not my favorite!

[@michaellively9692]

I'm glad the San Diego Library online had all three of these audiobooks, I really enjoyed going through these stories in a two month time. I can see this to be a mini series or a short run series if they wanted to make a streaming series of these characters.

[@ericsedei4884]

You guys aren't curious about the other planets with underground Sith hideouts the Emperor had built? What other Sith artifacts are hidden in other locations? Would have liked to have heard your opinions.

[@sameasiteverwas9742]

SPOILERS: thank god more people are agreeing with the theory these books have made us think who snoke is. i've thought about him being what the emperor found in the unknown regions since life debt. so now that we know kind of where he's from the big question what he is.

[@TheBurroughs81]

did you guys do a Ahsoka book review?? I cant seem to find it

[@theresasteward1506]

No they covered it on Jedi Council but no stand alone review.

[@arturobenavides6142]

will there still be a collider Jedi council episode today?

[@arturobenavides6142]

good.good

[@arturobenavides6142]

people are telling me it was canceled for today :(

[@shannongatesc8984]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see 😊 I asked them a really good question on twitter awhile ago regarding a standalone of Leia and maybe they'll finally answer it 😇

[@joebaumann3620]

Read Bloodline. If you want more Leia I think it's the closest we will come to getting a "stand alone Leia story" along with her comic which kinda sucks

[@joebaumann3620]

I missed them mentioning Phasma. When did that happen? I know her armor came from that ship but other than that did I miss something?

[@cjaiezza]

The book didn't mention 'Phasma' so to speak. It did allude to her, as a tall girl. I missed that (the allusion to Phasma), when listening to the audiobook, but upon watching another review today, I did remember that tall girl being mentioned. I'd like to assume that that tall girl ended up being Phasma.

[@Ph03n1x851]

so we're going to pretend like Niima the Hutt isn't the most diabolical, sadistic character in the cannon

[@tonoormusic]

"Who are these people, I like it, I want more" sums it up perfectly

[@paulschumaker3441]

You guys talking about the books is like looking in on a great Star Wars book club! This really wants me to get into aftermath series

[@darthwint3823]

Loved this top marks Kristian Ken & Perri more star wars book reviews please.

[@t.j.nelson8313]

The first book was difficult to get through and I almost did not finish it. But I did and I really liked second book Life Debt, more because it brought back characters from the movies. This third book ended the series on a satisfying note and even though I did not care for Jar Jar one way or the other...I felt bad for him. Looking forward to the Thrawn novel...

[@lightquest2]

Has anyone listened to the Star Wars audiobooks? They're phenomenal

[@queenfan45]

BoneStudios15 I consider them to be similar to radio dramas. Sound effects, music, the different voices, the way the narrator speaks.

[@damnrapunzel8130]

I hope we still get a proper Jedi Council today too. When I saw Kristian not on movie talk I got worried...

[@BrynjarReynisson]

Paul Grant There is going to be a Jedi Council. Why wouldn't there be?

[@damnrapunzel8130]

Brynjar Reynisson Kristian wasn't on movie talk and then we get this special episode of jedi council. you never know

[@BrynjarReynisson]

Paul Grant Ellis said that there will be Jedi Council today.

[@pawa101]

What do you think happened to Rae salone? I mean how dose snoke come into power. Is she still alive? If the leaks are true about about finn infiltrating a star destroyer do think that Rae and Finn have a connection possible as his mother. I'm curious about this at the moment.

[@KevinDaPotato]

Koios Ronin Ooh. That is probably one of the best parent theories of star Wars I have heard

[@THEGAMEMASTER332]

Koios Ronin OMG Thats an amazing theory.

[@pawa101]

It is just a speculation but a possibility. I mean lets say Finn is Rae Salonns Son. You could make the case that in order to keep her loyal to the First order or keep her in check. They took Finn. For all we know she could be in control of the Eclipse or another star destroyer. If the leaks are true and Finn infiltrates a star destroyer you can make the case that Rae would recognized him and confront him. I mean if finn is a child of the force and his strong will would allow him to refuse the conditioning that the first order installs. That would fall in live with his mother who was a strong will women herself. I mean whats stopping her from making the same choice Finn dose. I mean she and nora shared a moment and she almost went with nora to join the new republic she may have became disillusioned with the first order. Who knows maybe she is providing Nora with intel and Finn is the only one who can save her or retrieve the info she was unable to send out. In my opinion i feel that Finn is going to be the Kyle Katarn of the Star wars Universe. Their origins are very similar and I can see finns story arcs mirroring Dark forces or Jedi outcast. what do you guys think?

[@richardlogan850]

Koios Ronin great theory!!

[@Optimus-Prime-Rib]

Awesome book and Mark Thompson on the audible version is the best. My favourite expanded canon book

[@wesfreeman2842]

ken were still in non spoilers. question. do u think you should read books one and two before the third? answer, what the books about, plot, characters, time line, politics, thanks ken.

[@Sighhhh]

Just finished book and liked the trilogoy overall. Curious what the council's thoughts are on the pirate nation.

[@StanWilks]

I really enjoyed Empire's End. If this is to be Chuck Wendig's final book, then he's definitely finished in fine fashion. I would love to see him write Star Wars again, though.

[@jaystone7587]

I really like this show!!!

[@Ztuber564]

Kristian will you do another "cannon" video? Now that we have another year and half of cannon?

[@wookbook6957]

Hello, Master Temmin. I performed violence!

[@Tware8100]

how long are the audible books on general for STAR WARS?

[@kalebrod2823]

Travis Ware this one was about 15 hours long

[@diamondrattler7453]

More discussions like this, please.

[@sfitzger3426]

*SPOILER ALERT* I think something that you didn't mention was the ship, the Eclipse, that Rae Sloane and Brendal Hux boarded. This was the same Super Star Destroyer from the EU comics Dark Empire 1 and Dark Empire 2. I think that it was cool that the ship was "sneakily" slid into Canon. I would like a story about the Captain of the Ship and how Palatine send them into the Unknown Region before the battle of Endor. The mention of Thrawn in the book for the Unknown Regions makes me wonder if he was sent out to Wild Space to combat the threat he mentions in the novel "Thrawn". This would take place after his run on Rebels ends because he destroys the "Rebel" base and then the Emperor send him out to Wild Space because Thrawn gets word from the Chiss of a growing threat. Thoughts?

[@Ryanmegachannel]

I loved when they made reference to the Lando marvel mini.

[@Maks__808]

Spoilers start at 13:50.

[@PatrickG4444]

do more of these!

[@buswreckage1987]

I loved all three books. I blame the marketing for book 1 for it being underwhelming. if we weren't lead to believe our favorite characters were coming back we wouldn't have been let down at all in my opinion.

[@sjewitt22]

I want to know more about the other observeatories or the other secret places where the replica of the empora's ship were held. It sounded like all types of crazy stuff was being done.

[@rokstoons5285]

I am on my second read of this trilogy and I love it!

[@jrhcreator]

I'm going to have to refresh my memory of the first two books before reading this the third book.

[@NeegNeegyb]

Haven't read any of the Aftermath books but I sat through the ''spoiler'' talk anyway and I didn't understand any of it so it wasn't really spoilers. Good vid!

[@jcoriha]

I will read this one...soon...soon

[@michaelpopely5528]

I do like the more relaxed setting

[@CallejotheThird]

Can't believe they didn't cover the HK47 Easter egg.

[@Slade_The_Deathstroke]

Meatbags?

[@Starrapter]

I also gave Empire's End an 8 out of 10. I still enjoyed Life Debt the most. Great Review guys!

[@mojo1445]

I'm trying to have a good balance of reading books and listening to them so I can experience both but there is hardly any Canon books available on audible UK. it's actually shocking.

[@jyoundt8345]

Love the side show, love Perri and love this book.

[@viejillocentas]

I think you miss the most important: THRAWN, i´m 90% sure that Thrawn is going to be a key part for the formation (and probably rule) of the First Order, and that he is the one that is in the Eclipse at the end of the book

[@jaredbennett7677]

oh, i missed the Phasma call out, was that the little girl who was given the lightsaber?

[@MikeHoltackers]

Sinjir is my favorite character not in one for the movies! love him to bits!

[@MikeHoltackers]

I felt so bad for JarJar :(

[@71mariuccia]

Mike Holtackers do you think in TLJ Benicio del Toro will be Sinjir?

[@T-O_Double-D]

I wanna read it now!

[@TheNJFIFAFreak]

Forgot to mention Thrawn

[@RoRo-yc5mc]

In audible, these books are amazing!

[@sjbaker85]

Really liked the book. I agree with Kristian, it ended a little strange, but overall I enjoyed the trilogy.

[@jaystone7587]

I loved this!! Thanks!!!

[@ZappaBlues]

Roger ROGER!! (audiobook) :)

[@TheIceman101418]

Hey so Ken, Commodore Augate or Admiral Rattis? lol

[@ripptorn9]

I don't think Rae Sloane will be in charge. Grand Admiral Thrawn is already there waiting the arrival of the rest of the empire.

[@Z0mgXenu1]

ripptorn9 thrown is going to die in rebels. No way he could have been there...

[@darthcalanil5333]

absolutely not. There's not a single hint that Thrawn will end with Rebels. Whereas almost all recent news/ hints/ facts connect Thrawn more and more with the First Order and the unknown regions. On the other hand, we don't know that Thrawn "is already there waiting the arrival of the rest of the empire". For all we know, Snoke is there waiting the empire.

[@Z0mgXenu1]

just wait til rebels ends. Its pretty obvious thrawn wont live to see a new hope. Also, don't you think the battle of jakku could have used a resource as powerful as thrawn? Yet there isn't a single mention of him anywhere outside of the chapter where galius mentions him. why is that? because he's more than likely dead.

[@supermonkey321]

I was really hoping that Thrawn WOULD be out in the Unknown Regions with his Empire of the Hand, but I'm pretty sure they're not gonna do that. As much as I'd hate for it to happen, especially since we have yet to see him reach the heights he did in the Thrawn Trilogy, I think he's gonna die on Rebels.

[@jessportersolo]

I was thinking that too

[@cyanidexhappyness]

surprise you guys didn't talk about the observatories

[@brwnallaround]

Fun Empire's End drinking game. Take a shot every time Norra "grits her teeth" or any character "clucks their tongue". You'll be drunk off your ass. Which is very useful in numbing any literary taste you may have.

[@cameroncloutier]

Isn't this the Thinkhero set? Man, I miss Dennis' videos on that channel.

[@jaschwer]

For me, the second attack on Mon didn't fit in the book.

[@jeffcox1759]

The series won me over eventually, Sloane, Sinjir, and Jas were the characters I came away liking the most.....wasn't a fan of the Wexleys. The build up in the second book made it the best book, the third one was good, but the payoff was meh..but the introduction of new characters is always a plus for star wars, I liked it but there are better books in new canon

[@robertgagne2388]

I am going to have to pick up this trilogy. Great review thanks. :)

[@Emperorvalse]

I read all of the Aftermath novels but I am glad they are over. So disappointed with them, I do not know if it was the writing style that I did not like but it just feels so unsatisfying. A trilogy should have given us so much more substance, maybe it was released too early and Disney does not want them to limit where the movies could go, but what we got was not a in depth storyline to an outlined of history that we already know.The politics was boilerplate plot, compared to other SW novels it did not hold me at all. I look forward to future novels that will flesh out or carry the SW plot forward, but not a fan of Wendig (but would probably buy another SW Wendig novel because it is Star Wars).

[@msimon6227]

This trilogy was amazing. I am hoping to see Sloane and the Eclipse on the big screen now.

[@THEGAMEMASTER332]

I loved this book.

[@neeneenee]

There is still gonna be a regular Jedi Council right??

[@kylewipert11]

I hope so hah

[@jaredbennett7677]

I liked this book alright, and there were certainly some good things in there, but I was really annoyed by Temmin and a few of the other people being just so... emotional and just saying 'i have to do it because I cant lose them'

[@emilwarmedal2452]

Question: Did the meat bags forget to mention the KotoR-reference on Jakku?

[@ReggieMCH]

I know who Snoke is. He's from the 1st Trilogy, But I won't say. No Spoilers. But you guys are going to be Surprise 😲 in episode 8

[@stormblessed6155]

im just finishing the first aftermath. its the longest ive taken to finish a book in like 10 years. after reading 1 or 2 chapters id be so bored

[@ryansmith-jr4gn]

Is luke in any of the Aftermath books?

[@JoeHooker11]

No. And Han and Leia are barely in them as well.

[@Ybotomy101]

ryan smith Han's a big part of life debt

[@ToroidalVortexLove]

SPOILER ALERT discussion.... who do you think Snoke is?

[@CatchingFlights.]

The ancient Sith planet core bomb...thing not going off and not having any explanation of how it was stopped bugged the hell out of me. At first I thought it was a problem with my Audible player..but its wasn't. Jump on the crazy train with me for a minute and assume this was not missteps in the writing however intentional. Sloane never stopped the count down she just said screw this im out of here. The core machine they were trying to stop wasnt a bomb at all. It was a jedi/sith creating machine and bam Rey was created or Snoake..who knows everybody on this bus is crazy.

[@cjtrapp133]

Great book and the trilogy is awesome.

[@supermonkey321]

Mention of Captain Phasma??? When did they ever mention Captain Phasma?

[@deganhardt77]

Snoke is Vitiate or Plagueis imo.

[@nathanvickery2412]

where is campea? he hasnt been on the council for like a month now

[@jeffeverett990]

Wish they would of whent into more of hints of Boba Fett

[@77RedWolfe]

Cobb Vance got the Armor in book 1

[@alanpercival6428]

get Pablo hildago to write a book covering a few years before force awakens to join up the dots,,

[@Jaycee52548]

Wait, Phasma was mentioned in this ????????????????

[@imnotatroller01]

last time i got here this early darth vader still had not deliver his famous words "Luke i am your father "

[@jaredbennett7677]

not the weakest of the Aftermath trilogy, but not as good as Life Debt. I think im coming out of this feeling very 'meh' about the trilogy as a whole, wishing it would have been better. I enjoyed the new characters, and some of the tie-ins, but wish it had been a bit more about our characters, or more feeling like it actually flowed, taking even some of the side characters we knew from the films to introduce us to the new characters

[@RetroMyrtleBeachGuy]

but, has anyone ever seen Kristian Harloff and Mark Ruffalo in the same room tho?

[@theaustralianhulk]

I don't remember Captain Phasma being in this book...

[@rigsby1454]

'What's going on guys' Kristian's classic terrible opening always makes me laugh for a guy who is great at everything else

[@jaystone7587]

AHH, poor Jar Jar. I liked him!!

[@insanekyo]

I don't think I enjoyed this book as much as bloodline, I put bloodline higher on my list.

[@jaystone7587]

As a English lit major in College, this is pretty cool. But when I was young I really didn't like Star Wars novels. The books would have a story going but then all the sudden go somewhere else and it really through me off of reading them. And now, I just can't see very well. Can't even see m y fucking bar tab!! :)