How Avengers: Endgame Shapes Phase 4 of the MCU with Special Guest Rob Liefeld - Heroes

Heroes #303 (Wednesday May 1, 2019) with Coy Jandreau, Amy Dallen and special guest Rob Liefeld discuss the following:
1. Avengers: Endgame Spoiler Review!
2. Avengers Breaks Damn Near EVERY Box Office Record
3. Lord and Miller Pen NINE FIGURE Sony/Marvel deal!
4. David Dastmalchian is Polka Dot Man!
5. Christopher Markus (½ of Markus and McFeely) wants to write Moon Knight.
6. Endgame Writers Address lack of Black Widow /Funeral, Resurrection.
7. Howard the Duck showed up in the final battle, But the Defenders didn’t because of Timeline issues. X-men for legal ones.
8. Daredevils Own Wilson Bethel Shared pic from his Cap audition.
9. Look at this CAST, Chris Pratt shares incredible BTS video.
10. New Spider-Man Pic Shows Maskless Mysterio AND Spider-Man
11. Detective Comics 1000 Sold ½ a MILLION Copies
12. New X-Men Dark Phoenix Character Posters
13. Dark Phoenix Reshoots changing 3rd act from space to Train?!
14. Eisner Nominations Announced.
15. Interview in-Studio w/Rob Liefeld He’s here for whole length of show, but want to give exclusive time to Major X
16. Comic Book Pull List
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[@rosachil6009]

Rob Liefield is the the friggin' dude,great show once again guys...

[@mattryan4prez]

Howard the Duck shows up first behind The Wasp when everyone was coming through the portals. He had a huge gun

[@or3609]

Doesn't Marvel have the TV rights? Maybe allow Sony to create Spidey TV as long as Sony lets Spider Man Continue to Appear.

[@ontheawayteam]

Why didn't the Hulk get his rematch

[@jimmyrodriguez2190]

The only problem Endgame is even after seeing it 3 times over the weekend, I can’t just pop the DVD in yet and watch it at home.

[@meme148]

Feeling the same right now.

[@glipgloppapi9959]

I’m literally going to watch endgame for the third time tonight

[@CarolinaChris26]

Congrats

[@AllEdSantiago]

Same! T-2 Hours.

[@AndromedaDreams1]

I’ve saw it 4 times opening weekend. Saw it a 5th time on Tuesday. As much as I’ve anticipated this movie, I have no problem with those numbers

[@tjlanglois1989]

I'm going for 3,4, and 5 this weekend.

[@ninfreak95]

Did Nebula have more dialogue than any other character? Felt like it. And I'm totally okay with that. She put her soul into that role.

[@krisj827]

Nebula was so underrated. Her arc from Guardians Vol.1 to Endgame is amazing.

[@neophenom]

I only wished she had a bit more closure with Thanos Prime. Even the act of her closing his eyes, after Thor went for the head, hit home. I was moved by her character arc a lot and how great of her overcoming her worst enemy, herself.

[@ninfreak95]

@@neophenom Right? She's had a better character arc from one movie than all the other characters got in 3 films or more.

[@neophenom]

@@ninfreak95 Agreed, although, she has been build up little by little, like the Hulk. Endgame is her 4th appearance, so I have high hopes for GotG3. How will 2014 Gamora will factor in all of it will be so interesting. Maybe they just get her old soul back or something.

[@ninfreak95]

@@neophenom I think they are sticking with the 2014 Gamora now. The other is permanently dead in a destroyed soul gem. Nebula may be critical in re-recruiting and keeping 2014 Gamora around.

[@lele2000]

I agree with Amy, as much as I loved Spider-Verse with all my heart, it's been two decades of Sony Spidey in film media and I would so love to keep him in the Marvel family where he belongs. Spider-Verse was lightning in a bottle, but I personally would prefer not to see an entire fleet of Spidey-adjacent films like Venom be released and disconnected from the wider Marvel if negotiations could be made to round them and tell their stories in the MCU atcone point in the future. Then again, it's all business! Great show dudes!

[@ivor1977]

Haven't even started the video yet, just wanted to say I love Rob Liefeld. Always the perfect guest. Now on with the show.

[@Havohei]

I would love it if you did a whole episode or special episode dedicated to what would of been Jon Schnepp’s favorite moments in Endgame. To honor and remember the King of Sweaties 👑

[@JohnNeilMendoza27]

First Jim Starlin, and now Rob Liefeld! Heroes are on a roll!! keep it up guys!!

[@raycreigh]

I waited to see Venom until it came on Starz despite all the hype and I have to ask: what was so good about this movie? There's no way on Earth I would entrust (or support) the future of the Spiderverse under the Venom Sony model after watching that mess.

[@pabloaguilar8447]

Guys once I saw Avengers Endgame I immediately went out to buy Avengers and New Avengers comics. I’ve seen the movie 5 times since opening weeekend and will absolutely see it this weeekend again.

[@silvasurfa7962]

Rob on Black Widow controversy: 👍😎

[@PhilliaPhobia]

I always love when they have Liefeld in studio, he is the coolest dude

[@gizmoduk]

Did we not count the Widow Funeral as the scene on the dock? All the people who were important to her in one place mourning. They even mention that her family were the ones standing there. But I might have missed something or made it up cuz I was just a puddle of emotion when they came back from the time heist without her. 😭

[@SpyderBlackOfficial]

I'm with you man. Totally agree 👍

[@StarrOrbitzAgent]

Yeah I do consider that her wake and that’s the Cap crying scene from the trailer. I was wrecked on second viewing during Vormir.

[@shawnbrown7446]

I think she is a Skrull from the secret invasion story line ND is coming back

[@jyrrin]

thicc thor and prof hulk were the two best kept secrets of this movie honestly

[@rapini7148]

I saw prof Hulk coming, I hoped for Cap + Mjolnir, but fat Thor surprised me for sure haha.

[@akilbrazier1421]

Fat Thor was easily the biggest surprise for me lol

[@psychotech3927]

What's this thicc thing with all fat ppl. Thought this meant supposed to have heavy curves in right places. But all fat is considered the same as well. Is this meant to be sarcastic to he funny?

[@Chropoles]

well... sure Black Widow didn't get a funeral. not everyone needs a funeral, and you can honor characters in other ways, not only with funerals, that's the beauty of writing. they had a scene on how the rest of the Avengers reacted to her dying... which was touching and powerful, that's a kind of funeral if you ask me. the point is to honor and remember the character, which is exactly what they did. seriously, it's a non issue. and, at least she got a reaction from her family ... unlike Han Solo ... he didn't get crap!!

[@kennmullen6454]

How...In...The...Hell would Amy think to compare the current MCU phases 1-4 with the 60's Marvel???!!! Oh...My...Goodness! Brilliant connection. Yes. It is. A DC kid at the time Marvel burst onto the scene and the books were a MUST HAVE!!! Hail to the new Queen Of The Sweaties!

[@PaulBeyer]

Awesome to have Rob on the show....He's a wealth of knowledge and helps us understand a lot of the Print to Screen character development.

[@avaria1538]

Alright, who gave these guys sugar? So hypo.

[@ontheawayteam]

Spiderman/BlackPanther/CaptMarvel/Dr Strange Sequels will set the stage for the next Saga

[@bamm86]

Drewkkake You’re right but also I think Guardians’ universe will have a lot to do with it as well because we all know we’re going more cosmic from here on out.

[@valariegiittinger3817]

bamm86 I’m super excited for that. I hope they bring Nova into it more, but apparently Thanos sacked Xandar so :/ but maybe that’s a story line? 😂 Also more of the Kree because we’ve been getting teasers of them for sooo long

[@fivenight]

MCU minus Spider-Man is a MCU i will be not giving $$$$. Sony can't do proper live action comic book universe. One picture does not mean success in a cinematic universe. Didn't Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige just prove this???

[@_bearlyaverage]

The enthusiasm never ran out of these people

[@tristan_the_blerd]

I think Coy and Amy carry the geek enthusiasm torch really well. Love their excitement for this stuff

[@joelbryant8836]

I’m going to be PISSED if Spider-Man doesn’t stay in the MCU

[@lennytv373]

Exactly! This guy seemed kind of happy if Sony did take Spider-Man out of the MCU. As fans we love seeing all of the heroes together not by themselves in a separate universe. Can't wait to see X-Men and Fantastic 4 in the MCU.

[@NewtFidoScamander]

Feige ain't letting go of him, that's for sure. Whatever deal needs to be struck (using Holland in Venom or other Sony Spider-Verse films?), it will be.

[@joelbryant8836]

Lenny TV yeah I have no idea why the two guys on the panel sounded so happy about that. They make one good animated movie and all of a sudden you trust them with the live action Spider-Man movies again? What?!?! And why would they not want to see him in the MCU. What is this crazy town?

[@horrornado9121]

Why couldn't they have included Black Widow's memorial in Tony Stark's memorial? She did start as Stark's baby sitter.

[@TheObbster]

Personally I strongly disagree. Do you realise how much money makes from doing both MCU and their own side movies? They're not gonna take back Spider-Man unless they're total idiots.

[@outinspace6332]

Obby they are though

[@joaquinjfernandez1528]

They won't though

[@FreeJuice100]

I can NOT stand the stuttering from Rob. It's so painful to listen too.

[@richardlogan850]

Adam warlock will free gamora and black widow from the soul world!! Hence the plot for guardians of galaxy 3. And I bet Thor will meet Beta ray Bill who'll put his but in some Rocky training lol

[@HalfandHalfTH]

So what do we do with two Gamora's then?

[@KevinMorales-do5on]

@@HalfandHalfTH Send the other one back to her own time duhhhhh.

[@samdavis4125]

Richard Logan I have a question? Does Mistress death Control the soul world?

[@HalfandHalfTH]

@@KevinMorales-do5on why bring her back in Endgame at all then

[@richardlogan850]

@@samdavis4125 I saw a interview sterling did the other day and they asked him about the death character. He said marvel studios didn't think the general audience can understand that concept, so decided to stay away from it. So they swiped the death storyline with another story line he did. He said maybe doctor strange may introduce death character, but he doubted it

[@chrisfitforever]

This is why DC needs to be building a shared universe. Even if you have mediocre movies people will go see them and you just can't compare otherwise. You need to build up to a big bad

[@The.Last.Guitar.Hero.]

I'm glad im not the only 50 year old marvel geek

[@shanecadden5303]

Casting folks are essential and should be prioritized as almost any movie doesn't work if casting is wrong, even the movies we want to love.

[@kotoriceleste]

I agree people need to enjoy movies more. If you look for negatives you will find them. About if BW didn´t get enough grief over her death, you can tell everyone was destroyed. And about representation, we got the promise of lots of females and POC in phase four (Valkyrie, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, and Shuri, etc.). And before you can to tell me that I don´t know how it feels, I´m a woman and Latino so don´t @ me. So take a chill pill people, and enjoy the movie.

[@Akairen]

Such a sweaty episode. Awesome!

[@Ionization2020]

This was an epic episode! Great topics and the ease of discussion makes the viewer feel like a "fly on the wall". When that happens it truly feels like magic! Keep up the great work.

[@CoyJandreau]

Ionization2020 hey thanks! That’s the goal!

[@Ionization2020]

@@CoyJandreau Keep up the great work. You and Amy are doing a great job of carrying the torch from Jon.

[@BaldursPicketFence]

About that black widow thing, all I really wanted really was for the camera to pan downwards to the tree Barton and Wanda were standing under and for there to be a small memorial to her, that’d been enough.

[@darkauscus]

This show is the ONLY saving grace of Collider nowadays....well done guys.....great show!!

[@will_sketch]

YES! Rob hit the nail on the damn head, Nebula was the standout character in Endgame. Karen Gillan IMO was the standout performance by far. I did not see that coming, but I loved every moment with her on screen. Pure joy.

[@dancedj2k2]

I just LOVE this episode, and Rob's excitement is just a joy to witness. I wish he could join your cast permanently.

[@neilandrei]

I used to think Coy was a fast and enthusiastic talker then Rob Liefeld enters the show.

[@leroysteele666]

Dude just found this video an love it really thought the movie was great but there making me wanna see it again great channel ✊🏿

[@ricardobanta7461]

Yo Coy kudos with your alternate timeline theory.

[@torinojohnson4218]

Howard the Duck is seen first coming through the Knowhere portal with the Ravagers behind The Wasp when she grows to normal size. He is on her right side behind a couple of guys.

[@deanlewis6109]

Talk about representation in the MCU, Moon Knight could be a big deal for mental health as well as a kick ass, dark and funny comic book adaption. Recently bought the Bendis hardcover and it is so fucking good.

[@icecreamisnice117]

Why is everyone shouting?

[@chloesutton7716]

Lol I think there just really excited because of Endgame 😊

[@martman123456]

Robert Downey Jr. / Hugh Jackman / Ryan Reynolds - Who made the best version of their character?

[@cordelllongstreath741]

Ryan Reynolds, but RDJ was in a better franchise and Jackman is more iconic.

[@Adam-nb6im]

Fucking hell I really want to watch this video but that guy on the left is talking way too fast. He needs slapping back to reality.

[@culturecauldron9137]

the ginger dude NEEDS sedating, his speed talking requires slow down of video and turning down of volume. Does he continuously drink caffeine filled drinks?

[@edwardherrera7238]

Who hired these two people as the hero host they talk too fast and they're freaking making me dizzy find somebody else

[@ransejackson2986]

Jon Schnepp is smiling in heaven. This movie is for fans like him. Stan lee had to have a idea for fans to someday have this experience. We all say we wish they were here for this but trust they had the best seats in the house......nuff said

[@tornadochaser2457]

You're woke!

[@SpyderBlackOfficial]

INFINITY WAR & END GAME are better than all the Star Wars films put together

[@BushidoBrownSama]

it didn't have to be 2 funerals they could have done a double funeral

[@Fagulhu]

Amy is overreacting a bit these days huh...

[@bloodsoldierZ]

...so does Coy.

[@edmonngo8439]

anyone know the link of that directors roundtable?

[@ferrarriohh]

How did While Portacio not draw for the past 5 years? He’s golden

[@ScoobyBlue3112]

Great show again, thank you Rob, I’m going to buy Major X, right now... 👊🏾😎🇬🇧

[@36090pburke]

Good lord sony just keep spiderman in the mcu i still dont trust them venom isnt even good

[@iNaiFz]

i love how hyped rob gets, he's one of us.

[@patelzinho]

super meta question...but in the final battle scene of ENDGAME, why didn't Doctor Strange just create one of those portals and then one of the Avengers could have used that to get the Gauntlet away from Thanos? Without the Gauntlet nearby, I think they could have taken him down. Especially with some of their big guns like Captain Marvel, Thor, Scarlet Witch, etc...

[@BarbaDjole]

Robs excitement is infectious.

[@iamwyse1269]

Loved Scarlett Witch/Miss ya Schnepp!

[@Adam-nb6im]

Do these three people all have ADHD?

[@paddymcelligott5375]

Endgame strongly hints at a multiverse. Couldn't Sony have the Spiderverse with Tom Holland as the MCU version of spidey?

[@antoniobrooks474]

Technically that's what's the Sony-Disney Spider-Man deal is but Sony is always quick to make decisions without thinking them through but Disney is smart enough to know they want a DC/WB dilemma where you have multiple characters (Batman/Superman/Flash/Joker) portrayed by different actors at the same time and audiences are confused on who's connected to what

[@TheGeekyHippie]

Shouldn't the title of the video say "Heroes" and not "Movie Talk" instead?

[@christimacc]

WHY ARE COY AND AMY YELLING!

[@garybthecasualcomicguy5136]

Rob is always an incredible guest. Maybe because I'm his age but he is so accessible and positive and his true love for the genre always comes through.

[@omniblaster5185]

Great movie but I'm disappointed they didn't allow the Hulk to help fight THANOS at the end

[@travis_mitchell]

I think a Spiderman and Captain Marvel team up is the logical progression. Iron Man is gone, and Peter still needs that hardassed mentor figure in his life, and with so many supportive male figures in his life with superpowers, it would be interesting to have a female one. Captain Marvel likely will have guilt for Tony’s death moving forward, and probably feels the responsibility to help Peter. The rift between them being that she can never replace the void. But I think the idea of an arrogant person being confronted with failure feeling like she has no place and isn’t accepted on this team because she messed up, is what brings her and Peter closer, as he was once the same. You also have two people now who missed out on some of their youth. Captain Marvel can’t remember her youth, and Peter’s grew up without him. It would be interesting to see Carol get back the years she lost by being around Peter.

[@cindyspangler3982]

No supportive female? He has Aunt May, and she knows now. He also has Happy..and I think theyll be attached by Tony's death.

[@mythdusterds]

I feel like this was a great episode discussion. I was not aware that Guardians of the Galaxy success is the reason Fox did Deadpool. I was not aware that Guardians is why we have Ragnorak but that makes sense.

[@YelloDuzzit]

"How will we look at this a year from now?" "You know how I'm gonna look at it? I'm gonna look at it on my shelf in sweet 4k" Hah!!

[@matthewwilfong6001]

I'm going to have the still sweet and way more immersive 3D version that I'm importing from the UK 😁

[@Thraser132]

Can you chill and stop yelling in the microphones. Thanks.

[@Neverbetred]

Collider: Black Widow Funeral: What if there is a funeral in BW's own film a la Watchmen - we look back at a story from the memories of Clint, perhaps Budapest? Fandom - haven't you learned to look at Marvel from a long game perspective?

[@RecklessRusty]

I rewatched Endgame Tuesday at 11am and it was packed. This movie is a phenomenon.

[@Whatshisdude]

Cut the check!

[@Brook11223]

For Phase 4 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe especially for the Shang Chi film Andrew Koji from Cinemax's Warrior would be perfect for the titular character. The Warrior which is based of the writings from Bruce Lee looks incredible the Koji really channels Bruce Lee so perfectly in the role. Interesting Shang Chi is modeled after Bruce Lee and if he gets cast in this film it will be him honoring Bruce Lee for a second time. Koji has that charisma, physicality, warmth, fighting for the underdog. You see those qualities with the character of Ah Sahm in The Warrior show which he can easily bring to this film.

[@Nicho213007]

I would go with Lewis Tan personally

[@Brook11223]

@@Nicho213007 Lewis Tan would be amazing too. Lately I have been seeing Warrior and Andrew Koji captures Bruce Lee's mannerisms in each episode of Warrior.

[@jonastiger9747]

Except for the fact that Koji is not of Chinese descent.

[@darthdaddy745]

I love Rob dude! every time he’s on! He just adds so much to the episodes especially seeing the perspective from someone whose inside the industry

[@breakupgoogle]

1st app of Major X is Deadpool/Spider-man #47.

[@Puddulz]

adam lebednik never forget ✊🏻 (follow me on Instagram for more Liefeld memes @puddulz )

[@StaticPlaya]

Don't Marvel own the Spider-Man TV rights? If they do I think they might have done a deal to keep Spider-Man in the MCU. The Spider-Man game was part of the original Spider-Man deal.

[@mikescott9012]

Marvel does have the TV rights now they could give those up for a renewed Spiderman contract with Sony for the movies

[@joeortiz8068]

Read that the game is only made for PlayStation because it is owned by Sony. They were not releasing on Xbox because they wanted everyone who wanted to play the game to have to buy a PlayStation if they were that desperate.

[@andrewharris1391]

I'm one of those 7 people who haven't seen Endgame yet. I know absolutely everything that happens, but still looking forward to seeing it.

[@SpyderBlackOfficial]

You will love it. Even if spoilers are revealed. It's just that good

[@ElGuaje007]

I still want to know what was going through Coy’s head when he predicted End Game would only make $222 million opening weekend 😂😂

[@antoniobrooks474]

I only predicted $285M domestic opening and $800M global so we all were wrong lmfao

[@ElGuaje007]

Ultra Instinct Thor yours is actually reasonable but saying it was gonna make less than Infinity War is a joke

[@neilvarma]

Rob!

[@raycreigh]

So.. about it and how it sets up phase 4......

[@630designs]

I love Rob Liefield so much. He is so great! Great show

[@DamianLewd]

One of seven that’s not fair I live in the nyc area and the film is sold out through NEXT WEEK no tickets for 25 miles 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@qs5523]

Bucky needs 3 movies. Nova. X-Men. Spider-Man 2/3. Black panther 2/3. Ant man 3. Doctor strange 2/3. Eternals. Black widow. GOTG 3/4. Thor 4. Captain Marvel 2/3. Also I’d love to see characters team up that normally wouldn’t on screen. Like Winter soldier and Spider-Man. Star lord and black panther. Professor Hulk and Doctor Strange

[@BuckDat]

I don't agree on the Spider-Man thing. Sony's got a Venom (anti-hero) franchise going as well as the Spider-Verse. They still get the box-office from the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies. Why wouldn't they re-up on the deal? They still get the MCU JUICE from the shared custody and get to keep the MONIES. Plus, Sony sold back the MERCHANDISING rights to Marvel so Marvel could always sweeten the pot if it comes down to money in another deal.

[@pizzadoog]

you can also see howard the duck walk through the portal when Hope makes her appearance

[@ferrarriohh]

So Sony taking Spider-man back after the deal, its probably for the best for a few movies. He still has 2 entire movies left in the MCU under the deal, Far From Home and 1 more Sony made under Marvel Studios solo film. Then: Sony should make some Spiderverse movies with Tom & Tom so that Venom and Spidey have SOMETHING on screen, hopefully a two movie arc. Marvel Studios should bargain for Kraven (in Black Panther) & Venom (for Deadpool) and re-sign Tom Holland for another extended shared contract when they launch F4 & Xmen. Tom Holland has another 10yrs & 6-7 pictures as Spidey easily.

[@ExxonKev]

Moonight movie should be on HULU. That'd be PERFECT.

[@ABCDEF-uw3yy]

Amy seems to really be bothered by FAT Thor w/ that comment about trauma in End Game being a mixed bag. I don't mean to jump into conclusions, but is she one of those people that think Marvel is making fun of fat people?...I like her but I mean really.....REALLY!!! jeeezuusss christ.

[@theodorehumphreys907]

Awesome Show! Rob Liefield is Awesome! I agree with him Just enjoy all this Marvel Movie goodness! Missing Jon Schnepp this week. King of Sweaty's! He would be loving this. Keep up great work! I have not researched it but will Disney+ have Marvel digital comics available like DC Universe? or will I have to subscribe to separate service?

[@IamJohnCarter]

That studio has a WHOLE LOT of natural reverb reverb reverb reverb reverb...

[@ramspencer5492]

I don't trust Sony with live-action Spider-man. Maybe if Lord & Miler produced and directed every movie, but I way prefer live action Spidey in Marvel, SO MUCH BETTER.

[@jeremiahtrotter1687]

I think the premise for this movie probably originated from Avenger’s Forever. SPOILERS... The splash page of all the avengers coming from different time periods to fight together feels very similar and probably inspired the third act of Endgame.

[@franzxiya]

Its really a fever! Pop culture for all ages!!! I cant believe my mom who is a 65 yr old asking me if i have watched ENDGAME coz she still have not., she said she watched infinity war so she has to watch Endgame. It surprised me.

[@JarrenHunt]

Coy is way off on this one 🤷🏻‍♂️ Venom didn’t make a bill, it made 800; more importantly tho, creatively speaking it was weak as hell. SpiderVerse has nothing to do with the Avi Arads of Sony producing dog shit live action stuff. They’ll share but the nature of the deal will change a bit.

[@bamm86]

I actually wasn’t surprised about Professor Hulk at all cuz Emergency Awesome is like Batman with his speculation and detective skills. I had to stop watching his channel for the last 6 months or so cuz he’s just way too frickin accurate. It’s not even like he’s guessing. It’s like he’s straight up spoiling even though he technically isn’t because he doesn’t have any inside info.

[@Starfytr]

HULK’S ARC PAYOFF??? WARMONGER MARTYRS??? WAR PROPAGANDA???

[@savageplaysgames1080]

Sony would be absolutely moronic to just go to making Spider-Man movies by themselves again. Team up movies make boat loads of money and having Spiderman participate in MCU movies is beneficial for both disney/marvel and sony.