Did JJ Abrams Confirm There's No Plan for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy?

[@plo617]

Their first plan was to make a lot of money. Their second plan was to make that money as fast as humanly possible. Everything else was secondary, at best.

[@theexile6605]

KK's (also known as Darth Traya) plan was also to poison the well with a load of social justice and feminist rubbish!

[@itbepoetry]

amen

[@JDotWill]

JJ should’ve directed all 3, while Rian Johnson & Colin Trevorrow should’ve been given a spin-off film

[@JDotWill]

LET'S TALK I wasn’t one of those people but I am aware that was a knock against that movie. While it was a similar film I still found it to be enjoyable. George did say it was like poetry

[@EthanLaughs]

In hindsight, probably so. I don't think we would have received a great trilogy, but I think it would have been a good one, and I think it all would have felt like SW. I've never called VIII a bad movie, but I definitely think it was a bad episode in that it broke away from nearly everything set-up in VII.

[@JDotWill]

Anthony H I agree 100%. I don’t hate 8, I just feel like it wasn’t a Star Wars movie & that it doesn’t mesh well with 7. If JJ only planned to direct 7 then he should’ve come up with the story for all 3 so that they’d flow more naturally. & like Harloff always says the story group should’ve been more involved.

[@Nathan-tz5fr]

I agree that there should have been a consistent creative vision, à la Geroge Lucas on the original trilogy. But I'd rather it have been someone other than JJ.

[@synapticflow]

Rian should've been given a Sit N Spin.

[@eon001]

16:33 Agree with Rocha on that. Absolute crime to not have one scene with Han, Luke and Leia. They could have done a flash back with Kylo first day at Jedi training. All 3 together reminiscing. If it didn't fit the story, just cut it from the movie, but at least you have something on film. That's 100% on JJ.

[@plo617]

This whole thing is a big mess. I left TFA stunned over the missed opportunity.

[@eon001]

@@plo617 When Han died I was like NOOOO!!!! But then I thought, hey all the actors are still alive. Maybe later on down the line they can film a flashback. Then Carrie Fisher died :(. I would have specifically filmed scenes around the 3 characters. Not to be cynical, but I knew they were on borrowed time. Especially knowing Fishers past with substance abuse.

[@plo617]

@@eon001 It was criminal. I just can't be excited for these films anymore. There was slight hope with a possible Ewan Mcgregor Obi-Wan film, but Disney choose to make Solo instead..

[@chrisolivo6591]

It really shows these people in charge have no pulse of the fandom. They have 3 iconic characters that are being brought back 30 years later, and their brilliant ideas was to make them losers and wipe out everything they did in the OT.

[@grnarrow7695]

When this is the standard for what good star wars is held to, a totally vacuous scene with the OG back together, regardless of the story or the quality of the scene itself, just it's inherent conceptual existence being good because...nostaligia? I can't disagree with the people who say most of TLJ/ST criticism is fucking stupid.

[@silvasurfa7962]

George Lucas is the man. Thank you for 35 years of amazing lore 👍😎 1977-2012

[@I-speak-U-shut-it]

LOL

[@TNTITAN]

You thought the first three movies had amazing lore? The Jedi look like complete idiots. Vader is made into a joke. The only character that survives lore wise is Palpatine only because the Jedi are too stupid to realize not to let the clones of a man they had just fought against be their bodyguards.

[@MrMe-yk5of]

TNTITAN tbh prequels I like general story/ movies even though the dialogue could’ve been way better, but only thing I have a problem with like Jedi constantly we’re like darkness surrounds the chancellor and constantly saying oh our vision is being clouded by strong dark presence. Yet they didn’t think huh maybe the chancellor is the fucking Sith Lord we are looking for I mean he’s obviously trying to grab power.

[@TNTITAN]

Mr. Me Once again the person who was the basis of the clone army that the emperor secretly commissioned was fighting against that clone army. That what anyone else would call a huge tipoff that the emperor was playing both sides. The Jedi never realize that. The Jedi are just idiots in these films.

[@MrMe-yk5of]

TNTITAN I mean it’s a clone they don’t share same thoughts but I do get the point and I mean your right it def should’ve raised at least some concerns.

[@zoobee]

an absolute catastrophe. the most basic thing needed was a story arc. then get directors to fill in the details. this is amateurish stuff, an absolute car crash disaster. they sunk the Titanic. They strangled Star Wars to death

[@witchingroom]

It really is baffling. This is all pretty obvious stuff when planning a trilogy.

[@MacIain82]

Yep, absolutely, write the script first and then choose your directors. Effects alone won't make a movie great. Basic stuff and yet we were all told that they had the best people working on these films..

[@g8kpr3000]

You don't even need Abram's recent quotes. Just watch TLJ. It's blatant that Johnson didn't care about EP 7 and was off to do his own thing. He was like a bull in a china shop. It is so baffling how TLJ got made. How was it approved, there was no oversight at all. How does this even happen? It also surprises me when I hear people praise TLJ. Like did we see the same film? I took my (then) almost 11 year old. After the movie, I asked how she liked it. She was pretty ho hum about it. She later admitted that it wasn't great, and I agreed with her. I asked if she wanted to see Solo when it came on Netflix (because neither of us cared to see it in theatres), she said "nah". I asked her recently if she wanted to see Episode 9, and she said "not really". Hell, I even asked if she wanted to see the teaser trailer for Ep 9, and she just shrugged. This is a girl that absolutely LOVED the original trilogy when I showed it to her. Now I can't get her to watch any of them.. TLJ just drained any interest in star wars for her. I would say that maybe her case is unique. But then you look at Merchandise sales for TLJ, and they are way down. So in my day, kids loved Han, Luke, Leia, Boba Fett, Darth Vader, so on and so forth. I knew lots of kids that collected a lot of those figures. Now kids are like "Snoke? Some wrinkly guy in a gold bath robe? Hux, some stupid guy that shouts a lot? Kylo Ren, that dude he waxes his chest and wears high pants, Poe, that guy that's dumb and screws everthing up, Finn, who tries to run away yet again and is completely uninteresting? Phasma, who is supposed to be so bad ass, but gets bested so easily, Luke, who does nothing, then dies? Purple Haired lady, who is just there. Stuttering John, who is a criminal, and then betrays Finn and Rose, and is also uninteresting. Rose.. who cares about Rose. Every character is so uninteresting. Who are you supposed to root for?

[@ramirofernandez9416]

"I prefer Rian Johnsons vision", Haha I'm still laughing ..

[@jonesy6354]

Vision is a bit of a grandiose term for writing a contrarian script

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

@CJ P. Or... it's her goddamn opinion.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

+Ramiro Fernandez I respected his vision. But, at the same time, I agree with Kristian: The Last Jedi didn't feel like a Star Wars movie.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

@CJ P. *OK?*

[@russmarasheski7005]

Agreed!!!

[@michelel1640]

The biggest mistake Lucasfilm made after not having a thought out plan was letting Rian kill Luke. If they had just left Luke alive at the end of TLJ, the fan base would not be so split. P.S. Glad Kristian finally admitted he hated what they did with Luke. That was my biggest problem with TLJ too. Holding out hope JJ gets it right.

[@Serocco]

He's been saying Luke's arc was what he disliked for months

[@solomonmartinez1143]

Luke killed off and also not having Luke/Leia and Han share the screen together was also a mistake..

[@JediKnightoftheTifaCult]

Agreed. I hated TLJ but I was ready to forget and move on after the force projection scene and hope to see the real Luke in 9. When he died it just sort of cemented everything wrong with TLJ instead of leaving it open to be fixed. And with Han dead and Carrie gone, to me it felt like Star Wars had died when Luke faded away.

[@markusjordan-2187]

@Carlos Green I'm really excited about Episode 9 and I want to see a force ghost Luke Skywalker.

[@Bayard1503]

@@solomonmartinez1143 That's JJ's doing

[@CalebByRamen]

To a franchise SO INVESTED IN LORE AND CANON! How in the hell did Kathleen let this happen?

[@Beardshire]

Lucas was invested, Disney can't keep up with any of their movie lore. Look at any disney sequel, they are a mess.

[@simonphoenix9794]

She doesn't care about Star Wars. She sees it as a platform for 'change'

[@BrandonNinja]

She's crazy

[@PaulAlexander-tokyomagic]

Hackfraudmedia has done some nice videos dissecting this very question.

[@Alan1978M]

Roxy is entitled to her opinion but what the heck is she smoking if she thinks episode 8 is “infinitely better” than episode 7

[@Bayard1503]

I also liked it better overall. It had bigger problems but also bigger payoffs for me...

[@jeremyrfritz]

Because Roxy's aggressive contrarian schtick is all she's got.

[@damienowens242]

I’m glad roxy got what she wanted out of the last Jedi all I got was the middle finger.... god I hated that movie!!!!

[@EthanLaughs]

I think that if you're not honestly a big SW fan and/or you think of the films less like the episodes they're supposed to be and more like individual pieces of work, it may make sense to hold her opinion. I don't believe VIII was a bad movie, but I think it was a bad episode that crapped all over VII and gave old SW fans the middle finger while smiling about it.

[@EzeICE]

@@EthanLaughs perfectly said my friend

[@FrederickLopez]

They did not know what to do with this sequel trilogy. Missed opportunities and overall just a retread of previous films for a cash cow. It makes me wonder what the sequel trilogy would have been like if they used the story template done by George Lucas.

[@JohnMiller-sr7dk]

Yep....George Lucas is actually a good writer/storyteller....its his directing thats bad....if only Disney let him colab...but then again there still are a lot of haters from the prequel days

[@SilentaryXIV]

We would have had more midichlorians...

[@bobbyadams8889]

@@JohnMiller-sr7dk At the Very Least They Should Have Made Him A Creative Supervisor or something

[@OfficialEricElemen]

George Lucas' ideas were very far out there. Yes, would have been interesting to see. I think he wanted to explore more of the midichlorians and microscopic world of the Force. But, he did have some ideas that Luke would've been a loner, disillusioned with the Force and all the negative impact of the wars.

[@JohnMiller-sr7dk]

Eric Elemen Mark Hamill said he loved Lucas’s plotline for Luke in Episode 7 and 8, but that it was all changed once Disney took over

[@NavasGonzalo]

A rushed, not thought out, cold comercial move born in an executive board. Here you have YOUR MAGIC

[@HmmmkayUltra]

How could such a massive and culturally important franchise be left to idiots with no plan at all... Boggles the mind...

[@simonphoenix9794]

This was there plan. Kill the hero! No place for a individuals inspiring story in a country pushing collectivism. Disney are social engineers

[@I-speak-U-shut-it]

I should of taken over both the MCU and the SWCU

[@BP-dn9nv]

Disney was probably under the idea that anything with the words "Star Wars" on it would make money and that they could pull off another MCU without actually laying any groundwork.

[@damienowens242]

I enjoyed TFA, hated TLJ, that should never happen in a trilogy let alone a Star Wars trilogy,, lost all interest in what was my favourite franchise!!!!

[@marcusstoudemire100]

Agreed

[@Alan1978M]

I was so excited for TFA and it didn’t disappoint,i absolutely loved it and couldn’t wait for the blu ray release and ive watched it over and over.Rogue One was great too and ive seen it so many times but i hated TLJ and haven’t seen it since the cinema.Praying JJ can turn things around for episode 9

[@darcrequiem]

I thought TFA was a great setup film. It set the table for what could have been great trilogy. TLJ was terrible. It wasn't just a bad Star Wars movie. It was a bad movie. Whether or not you agreed with what Johnson did with the characters, the writing just made no sense.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Shame TFA was basically a soft reboot because you know people never knew what Star Wars was

[@patrickmuhlbeyer9262]

Agree. There was a lot of stupid stuff in TFA but TLJ was soooooooo bad. And now the damage is done.

[@Jayriv95]

So you’re telling me I put more thought into this sequel trilogies overall story than the actual filmmakers behind it... that’s fucking hilarious bro 😂😂 how did Lucasfilm drop the ball like that

[@EzeICE]

Damn dude you should've wrote the script and mailed it to Lucasfilm. Damn missed opportunity

[@TNTITAN]

Because they knew they make a billion on each film even if it's bad

[@keplerthe3399]

@@TNTITAN Exactly, they didn't care.

[@HickoryDickory86]

How did Lucasfilm drop the ball like that? Two words: Kathleen Kennedy.

[@jamesk5374]

Because story didn’t matter. Even this “inclusivity” thing they’re printing is just to get more people to see this garbage.

[@juicyj1584]

I’ll say this like I have been saying TLJ really didn’t follow any setup from force awakens.

[@c17sam90]

Juicy J but It did it just didn’t give the answers people want

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

@c17sam90 you cant stand that we shit on it can you? BvS had deeper themes and was a better movie for all of its problems sorry TLJ lovers. Its always going to be the red headed step child no matter how many white knights the film has

[@n2nother]

Juicy J It followed everything. You just don’t like where he took those set ups.

[@juicyj1584]

Sean Mesler I guess so? Taking all those set ups and just do the opposite of what everyone expected? Is that what subverting expectations is? Is that what makes a good movie? Rian tried doing something different which I’ll give him that. But ultimately nothing was really earned in the movie. I can jump on board with heroes failing especially luke...but the way the movie presents him in that way it wasn’t earned. For those that love it great for you. I wish I could. I’d love to see George Lucas Outline for what he wrote for Luke.

[@EthanLaughs]

I agree, J. VIII almost made it a point to crap on every question VII raised. It's not as simple as, "it just didn't go where you wanted it to." It was essentially as if someone that didn't fall in love with the original trilogy and didn't really care about the direction VII appeared to be going, made episode VIII in a contrarian fashion. Even so, I think Kristian is right. I think many fans that don't care for VIII would have probably gone along with it if they had treated Luke's character with respect. Taking the bravest most optimistic character in the universe and turning him into a clown was just too much.

[@Sam_T2000]

shouldn’t a trilogy outline literally be the first thing you do when you sit down and start to make a Star Wars trilogy? or shouldn’t you at least tell Rian Johnson his script sucks?

[@witchingroom]

100%. It's baffling that they didn't even make an outline.

[@magic75450]

I don't know if his script was bad, but it feels like Disney changed his ending. The logical ending would have been Rey joining Kylo.

[@Uouttooo]

They were not planning on making a trilogy. They just want to make one film at a time that makes tons of money.

[@Sam_T2000]

1 # - I would disagree, but was there anything at all that was logical about that script?

[@HickoryDickory86]

And what makes it all worse is that they had two different outlines at different times, and followed not a single one of them! At first they had George Lucas' outline for a sequel trilogy. Michael Arndt was brought in to write the first screenplay using that outline. He was made to rewrite it because Luke would overshadow all the new characters every time he was in the scene (as you would expect to happen naturally). But eventually he was let go and his script discarded and J.J. brought on Lawrence Kasdan and they did their own thing. The J.J. provides both Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow an outline for Episodes VIII and IX respectively, to give them an idea of where he planned this story to go. Rian threw out J.J.'s outline in favor of doing his own thing, which then put Colin in a bind and let to him eventually being let go over "creative differences" (from hints dropped by both Colin and mark Hamill, that "creative difference" was apparently whether or not Luke was alive and well in Episode IX). Rian doing this also forced J.J. to change a few things he had planned for the end of Episode VII as well; namely, Rey was to find Luke floating cross-legged in meditation, with rocks and boulders floating around him-meaning he was still very much in connection with the Force. But Rian's direction forced him to change that scene at the last minute in his own movie, despite where he had planned the story to go. So yeah, at different times they had two different outlines to follow, and neither of them were followed. The first fault lies with Kathleen Kennedy and J.J. Abrams for not sticking to George Lucas' outline and fleshing that out over the whole trilogy. The second lies with Rian Johnson for not respecting and conforming to the new vision set by J.J.

[@travissmith6380]

did Kristian just say Kathleen Kennedy respects the fans? I needed that laugh today

[@Sco3000]

This was the best part of today's show.. easily.

[@theinfernoman2721]

They can definetly bring back Luke, just say he teleported somewhere when he faded.

[@AnthonyA321]

🙏

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

I highly doubt it and it sounds like Hamill is done with Star Wars after this dumpster fire of a ST

[@Beardshire]

Have him emerge from the dark side portal as a gray jedi. Gandalf style.

[@Rand0mN0rwegianGuy]

No, please don't. Him dying there at the end was so clever and so poetic, the film would have suffered heavily by having that element removed... (besides, he’ll be able to stay on as a force ghost in the future, so that's great)

[@EthanLaughs]

I don't think they can wipe the crap off of the character after they so thoroughly hosed him down in diarrhea like that. The best I feel I can hope for is that he'll be somewhat meaningful as a force ghost and that his scenes won't portray him as a coward or a clown, but more like the Luke we last saw in Ep VI.

[@ttz4m3]

The final scene of Force Awakens with the lightsaber was JJ passing the baton to Rian Johnson. The first scene of Last Jedi with Luke throwing it away was Rian Johnson saying 'NOPE'.

[@RandyAndyShow]

Never thought about it that way but basically ye

[@oneforceonebalance3905]

This is why KK needs to go.

[@ilbftman]

Yeah Hah respect the fan base.....Sure KK sure

[@theexile6605]

I call her Darth Traya! She betrayed Lucas, the fanbase, and everything Star Wars stood for!

[@mksolid82]

The Last Jedi was a total devastation of the SW franchise.

[@vincentmcbride6210]

The Last Jedi was awful and my score is down to a 3/10. Just no story developments or character arcs. The main characters are in the same position at the end of the movie as they were at the start, nothing in the story to get excited for a final movie, it felt like an end to a trilogy if anything. I never thought i'd say i'd rather watch any of the shitty prequels than one of these new ones.

[@An_NBA_Enjoyer]

I mostly agree, but I do think Kylo Ren had development, hence why he's the best character in the ST in my opinion.

[@lanewilliams6212]

3/10 is generous

[@leemarsh3454]

U r a tit all geroge lucas star wars films r class. Vincent you are not a star wars fan.the new star wars r poor

[@gregb7337]

Vincent Mcbride prequels aren’t that bad

[@Ryglado]

Agreed

[@CriPPleR_HD]

Haha, way to rewrite history. While fans were saying that TLJ felt disconnected and shared their reasons why in the comments, most of the Collider host mocked us and made excuses for the film. Kristan eventually came around, but that troll voice should be mocking the host and not the fans. TLJ is divisive. I am happy that Roxxy enjoyed it... I WISH I did too. My problem was with channels like this belittling people for not liking it. This did more harm to the SW community than the movie itself.

[@EthanLaughs]

Lots of truth in what you're saying. I'll never forget how prior to the movie, Mark Ellis would take part in coming up with theories about what we would see in VIII, only to trash people that did the same and were disappointed in the movie after it's wide release. People are entitled to like what they like and to change their opinions, but Collider was pretty dickish about this one and they were comfortable with that until Kristian slowly started to turn the corner and publicly admit he didn't like TLJ.

[@CriPPleR_HD]

Anthony H Exactly! I vividly remember Ellis mocking people participating in fan theories. Also remember Perri calling people who did not like the movie bots and racist. This was one of the worst periods for the fandom. I hope Collider can one day own it’s part in it, learn from it and move forward.

[@Averagejoe-wl9ym]

Kristian once chastised me for saying he didn’t like the movie. Then today, he comes around and says he isn’t a big fan of it. Funny how things play out with time.

[@amateurwave3593]

@@Averagejoe-wl9ym simple... Shills.

[@supertenor2767]

I never plan on watching The Last Jedi, again... It would suit me if they make it so you can just skip that, for future re-watches.

[@Uouttooo]

I never plan on watching anything created by Rhian Johnson ever again.

[@MOVIEMADNESSENTERTAINMENT]

Kathy Kennedy has many agendas. But not one of them is Star Wars. That's the problem.

[@EhCanadian316]

Well said :)

[@theinfernoman2721]

Retcon Luke back to life!!!

[@chrisbrown113096]

The InfernoMan I’m sure JJ will just have had lukes character teleport somewhere instead of dying

[@theinfernoman2721]

@@chrisbrown113096 Dude I so HOPE that your right.

[@chrisb3892]

Pretty sure Ep 8 already confirmed the lack of planning.

[@c17sam90]

Christopher Butcher except 8 wasn’t pandering to fans which 7 was. And it answered the things people wanted answered.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

@c17sam90 sorry bruh 8 was garbo take cinephiles need to be pushed out of Star Wars

[@c17sam90]

CynicallyObnoxious but that’s kinda my point 7 pandered 8 did it’s own thing and didn’t pander and a lot of the hate it got was it didn’t do the pandering side of things. I don’t think either of then are good works of art. But I don’t get the we didn’t plan vibe from them. 8 builds off and nearly answers all the questions 7 sets ups

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

I can hate on 8 for its own merits they where both shit stories both 7 and 8 and answers them in a subversive apathetic way Star Wars never needed or wanted cinephiles

[@c17sam90]

CynicallyObnoxious but it was made by a cinephile. Lucas is just that. He was getting his political views out there as well especially in the prequels when he basically paraphrases the Bush administration

[@One21Jiggawatts]

Abrams said of Last Jedi that "It's so good, I wish I were making it." We might have misread that as a compliment.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

I always took that as a sly way of saying "I wish I could stop this from happening and make it my own way".

[@jyesucevitz]

I was shocked. Shocked that the only woman in the room liked 8 infinitely more than 7. I was shocked.

[@Luke101]

Damn this blonde chick clearly isn't a true Star Wars fan. TLJ shat all over the lore of SW and all it's characters, old and new, especially Luke. She doesn't know what she's talking about.

[@JohnnySturdivant]

Haha Star Wars has no plan

[@jasonh.2439]

Kristian got his facts wrong. JJ did both the first and second Star Trek movies, he didn't do the first one and split. So it's not what he always does.

[@Grimlock794]

I don't understand the lack of plan for a trilogy. I get if you make the movies and the story changes between films. That happens all the time in books or movies. I think Kennedy's approach for producing Star wars would work better if she got directors and writers who are looking to do one off stories that don't depend on a through line between movies.

[@Paulafan5]

It's not just 3 films; it's a 3 act play. You can't write each act in a vacuum. you have to have an idea what will happen in act 2 and act 3...

[@jonathancampbell5231]

A lot of fans and critics talk about how the studio should not interfere in a film and give the director and writers etc as much creative freedom as possible. Eventually some studio producers cave in to this flawed logic- particularly Disney and its bought products (the Netflix Marvel shows had the same issue, leading us to the disappointment that was Defenders). In this case, if they don't like it, they just fire the guys and replace them, wasting everyones time; if they do like it, they let them go nuts and make a mess of things. It shouldn't be an either-or thing; it should be perfectly balanced between both sides. But unfortunately, a lot of directors (such as Rian Johnson) prize creative freedom over narrative consistency, and studios think that's what the fans want (which some do, but it isn't always a good idea, especially for big long-term projects, although maybe another concern is that in the age of the internet long-term plans might be leaked so making things up as you go along keeps a lid on that?). That said, they did have a ROUGH idea of where things were going- after all, both TFA and TLJ are basically just rip-offs of the OT, so they do in fact have some kind of template to work off of, just a very lazy one.

[@williamQUIQUEREE1]

Its because as soon as Disney bought LucasFilm they immediately wanted a return on their $4b investment. So they rushed Force Awakens into theatres as soon as they could. They didn’t take the time to sit down with a team of writers and directors who could map out an entire trilogy and plan for the long term.

[@luciusschlusemeyer30]

Last Jedi was horrible in reflection. That was not Luke .

[@DanielJohn19]

TLJ was the first movie I walk out of a theater hating

[@spacepunk9940]

Disney wasn't ready for the responsibility of managing the Star Wars franchise. The Last Jedi was a massive mistake.

[@ronc166]

Personal Opinion: These films are made to cover the cost for Disney’s Star Wars, Galaxies Edge Theme Park.

[@amateurwave3593]

The movies pay for the attractions and both just make more money for disney...

[@raptorrancher]

No brains going into the most popular franchise. Sounds legit. Last Jedi was a urine enchilada.

[@The_Burning_Sensation]

Kathleen Kennedy has handled this property with unbelievable incompetence.

[@gregorygonzales4060]

With harloff more I see last Jedi less I like it.

[@EthanLaughs]

I feel like Harloff basically speaks my mind on this topic and it's refreshing as it seems like pretty much everyone else at Collider is on the opposite end of the spectrum and/or doesn't seem to get the negative feelings some have towards TLJ.

[@ChannelStarface]

Same

[@ukmediawarrior]

If my memory serves me back when TLJ came out Kristian was the only one at Collider who had issues with it, everyone else was shouting him down as to it being a great Star Wars movie and now, with JJ's comments, the Collider team suddenly think TLJ was lacking? Hypocritical much?

[@jrad410]

It was obvious the moment I saw the trailer for force awakens. They were more interested in appealing to nostalgia then working and crafting a true narrative. But ppl bought it so it is what it is

[@JediHeckler]

“It’s not a flawless film” 😂 😂 😂

[@chadum96]

Cautiously excited for Celebration. My Star Wars hype has died down significantly, so hopefully this gets me excited

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

I hope KK gets booed off stage

[@ianduran3193]

@@CynicallyObnoxious if she even shows up

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Oh she'll show up

[@beatstreetsportsblast7207]

Roxy must only like TLJ because of the Mary Sue factor. Can't see any other reason. TLJ is bad on so many levels.

[@pizzalover0075]

Kathleen Kennedy needs to go, she clearly doesn't know what she is doing when it comes to Star Wars.

[@bobbyadams8889]

Don't Get Me WRONG She's a Great producer BUT When it Comes to Handling Fanchises & Sequels She's NOT good at it at all

[@chriscorcoran4515]

What some people seem to forget is that JJ was announced to return BEFORE The Last Jedi came out, so it not like it was a knee-jerk response to the backlash. Plus, I also think that Carrie Fisher's passing is a big reason why Episode 9 got rewritten; she said Leia was supposed to have a bigger role in this movie.

[@supertenor2767]

Uh.. I don't think that's correct.

[@flyhigh271]

supertenor it’s literally a fact that he was announced for 9 before TLJ released lol

[@flyhigh271]

supertenor it’s also on record that Han was to be a big part of 7, Luke a big part of 8, and Leia a big part of 9. What about this is not correct?

[@Paulafan5]

Is it possible that even the higher ups knew TLJ wasn't good and that's why JJ was rehired? They saw rough cuts well before it was released.

[@yasseraloy4178]

Oh Roxy Roxy Roxy you are entitled to your opinion BUT woman god bless you lol thinking that last Jedi is good. Last Jedi destroyed the franchise and there’s still people out there thinking that is good hay mama Mia

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

Such a tragedy what has been done to George Lucas' baby and life's work that is the 40 year in the making Star Wars saga story... J.J Abrams should have helmed the entire trilogy if they were going to throw out Lucas' and Arndt's original story treatment. Utter incompetence what they allowed Rian Johnson to do.

[@Statt7827]

"Why are you guys so pissed?" Seriously Roxy? Let's start with the fact that having no overarching narrative for a TRILOGY makes the point of a TRILOGY pointless. You need direction, and focus to tell a coherent story. Die hard Star Wars fans like myself want Star Wars to succeed, but as of now it's struggling because people who don't care about the story are in charge.

[@fzdreaddy]

Was no overarch to the OT either. They never even knew IF they were making another

[@Statt7827]

@@fzdreaddy That's true but that was lightning in a bottle. This day and age you have to plan to be successful. Back then there was little to no competition in the sci-fi space genre.

[@RealityMFiction]

J.j abrams was an executive producer on the last jedi, he had to have some influence on the movie.

[@ethandevilliers4706]

8 better than 7 lol jeez. Last Jedi was not a great movie but it wasn't a bad movie. Last Jedi was not s star wars movie

[@kellyswayze2958]

LMFAO! Regarding opinions on episode 8...it's not split, there is no debate. It was by far the biggest joke of the entire saga. I've have spoken to hundreds of people and 95% of the people say it seemed like a propaganda film that was disguised as a Star Wars film...and that it was a slap in the face to SW fans as well as movie fans in general.

[@jjsavior]

I mean did you all really think there was a plan?

[@Nautilus1972]

Kristian likes the dreadnought bombing where there's suddenly gravity???

[@lanewilliams6212]

“I think the fan base is generally heavily in favor”... read your comments, look online, look at forums. This isn’t the vocal minority, we’re the majority and some of us are vocal. The movie is awful and there are few who genuinely like it.

[@MarkHogan994]

Dude, listen to yourself. You're talking about people who comment online, go on forums, etc... Those are hardcore fans. The overwhelming majority of casual viewers who'll go to see Star Wars in December won't spend another minute in the whole year thinking about it, and certainly don't discuss it online. As soon as you talk about comment sections/forums, you're talking about dedicated fans. Casual viewers, on the other hand, liked TLJ.

[@Redjack10]

LMAO No matter how much you’d like to be, you’re not the majority.

[@kingofcarrotflowers326]

Most of the people on this panel are one the reasons the fan base is so divided. I will try to do my best and translate my frustration with these goons. The fact that this trilogy’s story was not planned isn’t a surprise and shouldn’t really come as one. They try and defend their opinion on the lack of planning of the original trilogy but leave out a lot of important information in what actually happened. Remember folks, the original trilogy didn’t intend to have Leah as Luke’s sister until written in by Kasdan and Lucas in the 80s. They needed Luke to get angry enough to come out of hiding to face his father. This goes for Empire as well. To act like Star Wars in general is planned out is just silly. Anybody who knows Star Wars enjoys The Last Jedi and can agree it has some of the greatest moments in the saga. Luke’s arc from optimistic farm boy to cynical hermit is great and after watching it a dozen more times I really couldn’t see him any other way. It didn’t go as you expected but that’s part of it. The humor didn’t always hit with me (keep in mind some of the jokes are for children) and some of the pacing was weird on Canto Bight but that’s just me nitpicking. What Luke did at the end of Last Jedi was far more remarkable than a light saber fight at the end. Connecting himself back to the force and projected himself across the Galaxy to teach Kylo one last lesson. Also, the score was great. I’m just so sick and tired of people complaining about the Last Jedi and Luke’s death. My dudes, nobody is ever really gone. Get the heck over it. We lost so many great characters down the line. Also, Luke would be able to push the story much further as a force ghost. "Luke wouldn’t try and kill Kylo, that’s his nephew!" He literally almost killed his dad, the guy showed some restraint and grace after he saw that fucker’s future. The thing is Rey saw a different one. So who is right? We will find out!

[@pdr305]

King of Carrotflowers We are also sick and tired with the reasoning ppl like you use to defend the pos TLJ.... “Luke wouldn’t try and kill Kylo, that’s his nephew! He literally almost killed his dad” How the $@&! do you compare him having a relationship with his nephew which he help raise, train, and guide to his father he never knew, who’s a mass murderer? This is why we’re so divided...some point out the incomprehensible inconsistencies in TLJ while casuals just disregard them

[@sheviandlisa]

Also what exactly was Ryan Johnson’s vision Roxy? To subvert all of our expectations throw Star Wars into the gutter and destroyed one of the greatest IP’s of all freaking time? Is that the freaking vision that you want? People like you have screwed this entire franchise.

[@lonewolf9181979]

Show me the official rulebook that states the following: You cannot resurrect Luke You can't make TLJ an entire preconceived vision inserted into Rey's mind You can't retcon the entire film You can't build on TLJ and make it better. You can't kill Rose off Oh there's no such rulebook? Then everything is on the table for possibilities

[@j.j.4150]

Didn't Kristian give The Last Jedi like a 4.5/5 or so when it originally came out? Lol.

[@davidornelas3326]

Getting 3 different directors with 3 different visions to work on the same trilogy is a recipe for disaster

[@williamQUIQUEREE1]

I think Rian took the word “Episode” too literally.

[@SpontaneousWeasel]

Star Wars died the moment George Lucas walked away from it! Simple! I hope the fans can now appreciate (with retrospect) the effort he and many other talent folk put into the stories told in the prequel trilogy. This 'new generation' star wars team only seem to be capable of making showy yet vapid nonsense IMO.

[@mrmonday677]

This chick liked 8 better than Episode VII??? She is professional TROLL on another level.

[@fzdreaddy]

I liked 8 much more than 7.

[@jroar123]

Total dumpster fire created by Cathleen Kennedy and Ryan Johnson’s blundering lack of subject matter and desire to do homework. So blame the fans instead.

[@robkrol1101]

literally J.J say RJ screw up my storyline from ep.VII and now im try emergency save whatever is possible and God only know or that work or not

[@fightbot.]

I’m pretty sure he didn’t literally say that. But you’re literally a Nazi who literally uploads pro-Hitler videos, so you’re literally stupid.

[@Uouttooo]

Well he used time travel to reboot Star Trek. Maybe he can do a time travel to reboot this too. ;)

[@robkrol1101]

@@Uouttooo who knows maybe thanks this portal from rebels wich Ezra use to save Ashoka 🙂😉

[@whatsaaronthink]

Basically this was the original sin, no matter what the story was gonna be, there was never a chance it would be good without a plan.

[@damienowens242]

I’m glad Roxy got what she wanted from the last Jedi all I got was the middle finger, thanks Disney!

[@BakethaSnake]

I love how you have a giant picture of Schnepp looking over you guys. Keep it sweaty my friends. 👍

[@chrisbrown113096]

Tbh never thought luke died , feel like he tapped into his powers and teleported somewhere else , like how his robe falls but not his robotic arm , or just absolutely shit writing

[@iwuzabear8241]

Has anyone else noticed how Roxy does the same thing every show: she sits quietly and listens to the guys points and then always goes the other way. I feel like she’s not savvy enough to form her own opinion and she simply chooses the opposite of whatever they’re saying just so she can add to the conversation. Kristian wasn’t even saying he preferred 7 over 8 at the start of this conversation. He was simply pointing out that the directors didn’t have a shared vision. Which they didn’t. That was it. That was his point. And then she speaks up and says “I prefer Rian Johnson’s vision”. Like huh? If I was in that room I would call her out on that shit and be like “where did that even come from? Were you even listening?”

[@MasterChris666]

lol do not worry about roxy she ok

[@iPodTouchMan21]

The entire new "trilogy" is just garbage. Straight trash and 9 ain't gonna be any different

[@DominicJGomez]

Kevin Feige should take over production for Star Wars

[@kevcatnip7589]

Right

[@Talus31]

Kathleen Kennedy needs Dave Feloni to take over creative direction.

[@alfaomegaproductions]

12:00 As far as I know the reason for Colin didn't work it's because of K. Kennedy's whimps. Hammill even said both were on the same page.

[@alexanderhill2004]

Well, for once, I agree with Roxy. I loved The Last Jedi.

[@MrTroy808]

As a hard core fan I hate Episode 8. There are some things in it that worked but the vast majority of it did not work at all and made no sense. The Luke stuff i hate the most.

[@inghell]

Honestly if these films weren't under the Star Wars banner they would not have so much popularity. For me I'm just going to enjoy watching the original trilogy (and perhaps Rogue One) and end the story there for myself. I will watch episode 9 because I want to finish a story line I have followed for 4 years, but it's a separate entity for me, and nowhere near the classics that are the originals.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Ha I eagerly wait to subvert their expectations by not buy a ticket and watch that shit illegally at home

[@jasongeorgis3483]

No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans

[@ReelPopcornGeek]

I'd take no issue if they resurrected Luke Skywalker, in fact I'd welcome it. Hell, they could say he didn't die but teleported off planet.

Hey Collider shills - just LOOK at TFA and TLJ and you can SEE and FEEL that this trilogy was never planned at all.

[@jarianbrown]

The whole retcon thing is really dumb to the fact that there’s nothing to retcon. The Last Jedi gave us no answer to any of Force Awakens questions.

[@kenchun24]

Yeah it did, just not the answers the whiny "I made up the rest of the trilogy in my head/youtube prediction videos" fanbase wanted.

[@jarianbrown]

kenchun24 I loved the The Last Jedi myself. Rion Johnson not giving any answers to our questions and trying to do something new was very refreshing. There’s some problems with the movie for sure but very well done 👍🏽

[@HeavyMetal-jy4vj]

Its another word for changing bad ideas Ryan had

[@JediKnightoftheTifaCult]

@@kenchun24 JJ Abrams didn't like the "answers" of TLJ either. Does that make him "whiny" too?

[@NealFowler]

it did, it just didn't do it in a very star wars-y way. who's snoke? some dude with dark side powers. who are rey's parents? some junk dealers who abandoned her. why did luke go into exile? because he felt guilty about thinking about killing ben and turning him to the dark side. i'm a big star wars fan, and I don't mind not doing the obvious answers.

[@Super_Middleman]

The first and most obvious clue that there wasn't a plan was the lightsaber over the shoulder toss. That long ending shot of Rey handing the lightsaber to Luke clearly meant JJ planned for it to mean something. So when Rian Johnson "subverted our expectation" I knew this trilogy was basically being written on cocktail napkins between takes.

[@NiceGuyAidey]

I would love Ep 8 to be wiped from my memory

[@vdoscanr]

TLJ was not a star warsesque. Rian took all that we know of star wars and completely threw a wrench in it.

[@Gerumaareki379]

How any starwars 'fan' could like Rian's f---k up baffles me.

[@chrisb3892]

In my head-canon, Luke was never on the island. Rey got there, couldn't find Luke, wandered around for a while, found the books in the tree and left. Luke peaced out long ago and whatever he's doing now and wherever he is is anybody's guess.

[@urbanexcursion]

Rian doesn’t deserve most of the hate he got, but I hope to God Kennedy is booed off the stage at Celebration. This is unacceptable for a “seasoned” producer. At least there’s Marvel to fill my Star Wars void.

[@Uouttooo]

Rhian deserves every last piece of crap being thrown at him.

[@Kris-Kash]

I haven't watched RJ's bad fan fiction since I was confused and duped for the second time in the theater. I'm happiest pretending it didn't happen.

[@kashifs.6458]

I disagree that the last Jedi was split in terms of people who liked it. Critically it was well received but if you look at the audience reviews its abundantly not favorable. My wife is not a huge Star Wars fan, and she didn't like it. A lot of things happened that were redundant. I get it, the director wanted to subvert expectations. George RR Martin does it all the time, and it works, because he knows where and when to flip the narrative. It didn't work for Ep8.

[@cmoney2400able]

3:30 just had me weak af 😂😂😂

[@MrGabeHernandez]

TLJ is poorly written and that's objectively provable. If you liked it, that's fine, but never confuse something you like with something that's good. TLJ is not a good story, and that's all there is to it.

[@witchingroom]

Facts.

[@alfaomegaproductions]

Being a Jurassic Park fan and seeing this chaos (no pun intended) I couldn't even imagine what would this be like if it happened to my beloved franchise. At least Jurassic had always a plan on who things will turn out.

[@vince1515]

Rey's parentage and the waste of the Snoke character are honestly the least of my concerns with The Last Jedi. I do however think that their biggest mistake was giving Luke an anticlimactic death. They shot themselves in the foot with that decision. Some fans will never forgive or forget that. Gotta play screenwriter right quick sorry... They should've ended the film with Luke lifting his X-Wing out of the water as he couldn't in The Empire Strikes Back.

[@craiganderson9695]

Also, didn't Disney get George Lucas's outlines for 7-9 as part of the deal? I'm not a fan of the prequels, but in terms of a broad outline, the idea that one guy can manipulate both sides of a war into unwittingly creating a galactic empire is kind of cool. The execution fell flat, but the arc idea itself was interesting on paper. Disney could've taken the 7-9 arc and had each director/writer write their own piece, add their own flavor, etc. as long as it followed the larger arc I just find it hard to believe that Lucas's plan was SO bad that they opted to go with no plan instead

[@keitht24]

Roxy liked loved Last Jedi. She has the worse taste in movie.

[@geekillustratordad4982]

Yeah , she has horrible Taste. 😄

[@ardentfilmgeek4690]

It’s her opinion. Episode 8 is by no means terrible.

[@keitht24]

@@ardentfilmgeek4690 I know you're joking & or trolling.

[@rohan2utbe]

tyro apache or maybe he understands films are subjective and people have different opinions.

[@bestwarrior8422]

@@rohan2utbe nope its a objectivley bad film. So many videos on the subject that arent even nitpicks just straight facts about its atrocious writing and directing.

[@michaelbrice5169]

There was never really a plan in original right? That's why Laya kissed her brother right? Y'all too worked up about this lol

[@robkrol1101]

Episode IX Episode VIII was Luke nightmare ;p

[@Xtce87]

Long time listener and this is the first time im hearing the blunt and honest thoughts about episode 8 from the crew...

[@jeffdaman6969]

Yeah. This channel acted like they love episode 8 in the past. Gushing over it and everything