Spider-Man Leaves the MCU - Who's to Blame: Sony or Disney?

[@Slsims726]

Sony did come back with a counter offer of 30/70 but Disney said no

[@osochillaxinoso3dimensiona157]

Exactly

[@osochillaxinoso3dimensiona157]

Plus how would it be better for Sony. First all even tho the other Spider-Man movies wasn't the best they still made no less than 700mil. So why would they go 50/50 with Disney only to get 500mil in return.

[@symbian74]

Yeah, painting Sony out to be the greedy party in this. That's irresponsible. Just reading out the THR byline that Sony was placing the blame on Disney without reading the article (which frankly speaking, Sony was very gracious and professional in their response) is very lazy. I expected much more from this team. Tsk

[@osochillaxinoso3dimensiona157]

@@symbian74 hey man/woman lol dnt want to offend anybody. But KZbin search Beyond the Trailer. She has a video about the situation and does a waaay better job with facts about the issue

[@Will_I_am_not]

OsoChiLLaxin Oso3Dimensional My question is where is everyone pulling these “70-30 split” from. I know deadline says that Sony made a counter offer but nowhere does it specify those numbers, this is the closest thing: “Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didn’t want to do that. “ and now the Hollywood Reporter states the contrary, saying that Disney was willing to accept at least 30% “Disney had been seeking a co-financing arrangement on upcoming movies, looking for at least a 30 percent stake.” I’m very confused

[@nick_norambuena]

John Campea's video is a much more detailed and accurate description of the situation

[@molsy1768]

Yeah, the absence of campea really explains the decline of movie talk

[@dmen0563]

His video is horseshit too and it's coming to light with new info

[@ffffeeeeerrrrrrr33]

Campea just because a Disney studio hater

[@LoveAllTrustNone]

Collider are looking bad on this. Campea is much more informative on the same public knowledge

[@molsy1768]

@@dmen0563 what about his video is horseshit?

[@bbaerga121697]

Sony did offer 70/30 and Disney wanted 50% control on all the venom spin off movies and into the spider verse all that Kevin fiege and no input for the into the spider verse and the biggest loser is Tom Holland this was his dream role

[@brody02]

Disney offered 30/70, NOT Sony.

[@DaveRedsky]

@@brody02 incorrect. Sony did offer the 70/30

[@brody02]

David Rojas no. Look at The Hollywood Reporter’s new report. Disney offered 30/70.

[@littledragon175]

@@brody02 Check again, it was Sony.. Not Disney

[@darth_kal-el]

Brody according to Deadline Sony offered. No Disney. Disney said no. Do some research.

[@hexbug9737]

Who, did the research for this. I know the fact that Sony made 70/30 deal offer is hidden away in that deadline article but it was there

[@TheOniraf]

Cause they try to hide as much as they can the obvious true, Disney are greedy bastards who felt un touchable, good for Sony for walking away.

[@elsacristina9]

Did you read the last report made by THR. Actually the ones who were happy with 30% was Disney. Sony didn't want. Here: "Disney had been seeking a co-financing arrangement on upcoming movies, looking for at least a 30 percent stake. Sony, which counts Spider-Man as one of its only reliable moneymaking franchises, said no. " So the 50/50 actually is a lie. Disney wanted 30% not 50%.

[@hexbug9737]

@@elsacristina9 Did I refer to the Hollywood reporter anyway in my comment? No, I reflect to deadline. As for this the 30% that still not concrete as of yet deadline is still reporting on the 50% but they acknowledge that some sources are saying that it was less. Until Disney or Sony say which one it was we don't know anything.

[@doctorwardrobe2383]

You could see Reilly struggle lol

[@Will_I_am_not]

My question is where is everyone pulling these “70-30 split” from. I know deadline says that Sony made a counter offer but nowhere does it specify those numbers, this is the closest thing: “Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didn’t want to do that. “ and now the Hollywood Reporter states the contrary, saying that Disney was willing to accept at least 30%. I’m very confused

[@Stan-fm1vr]

Do a follow up video once you guys find out that Sony did do a counteroffer

[@eon001]

For real. This wasn't that well researched.

[@TayNez63]

You mean they didnt do their due diligence *shocked pikachu face*

[@mikescott9012]

Maybe they should watch campeas show first to get their facts straight

[@200proofbrain4]

@@eon001 The blonde didn't even know what the hell they were talking about in the beginning.

[@stevensteven1526]

@@mikescott9012 i know campea broke it down perfectly with all the info thats why hes the best and collider has never been the same without him and this just proves by how little research they do in collider now...and rocha is cluless!!

[@GreyEagle]

How is this your job when you guys do bare minimum research? 🤦‍♂️

[@Strongtower23]

Grey Eagle right?

[@VanillaCocoShow]

They dismiss comments like this but they should genuinely consider making a change about that.

[@chriscorben-green2640]

All about getting those clicks,esp after Kristen has been bustin' his ass 5 years as a Star Wars fan!

[@GreyEagle]

@@VanillaCocoShow they get super defensive when they're criticised for sure.

[@isinganddootherthings4616]

Agreed lol Man

[@XKT633]

The goddamn counter offer was in the same damn article. Another amateur hour moment from Collider.

[@bobw1811]

Not to mention the fact that Disney also wanted 50% co-financing, which would essentially give them creative control over the character. That's what the major problem is. What in the Hell would the upside be for Sony to give away the creative rights to their most profitable property? Disney's demands are absurd...

[@Terrafraid]

Sony DID offer 30%. Exactly like you said they should have done. They did.

[@dmen0563]

They didn't new articles stating Disney was willing to go down to as low as 30

[@lorenzovonmatterhorn9287]

Dmen05 They didn’t the goddamn news article clearly states they didn’t have a return offer you assholes just want to make Disney look like the big bad guys all the time

[@brody02]

Dmen05 Disney did, not Sony

[@molsy1768]

@@lorenzovonmatterhorn9287 the collider article clearly states that, but that lazy journalism. Go and actually read the deadline article

[@brianstill516]

@@molsy1768 you should read the Deadline article there is no mention of a counter offer

[@casualfilmguy3593]

Nope, Sony did counter with 70/30. But Disney still wanted 50% not only for Spider-Man but for all their future spider verse movies and still keep all the merchandise 100%. This is Disney’s fault - John Campea.

[@YungLanxx]

Flicks Feed that’s been reported to not be the case but I mean just like mysterio pointed out in FFH people will believe whatever you show them lool

[@yippykiyay893]

Sony did come back with 70/30 which Marvel declined, that has been now confirmed

[@brianstill516]

Where has this been confirmed? Every article or video I've come across says nothing about Sony offering a counter offer.

[@littledragon175]

@@brianstill516 Check, it is there

[@brianstill516]

@@littledragon175 I have checked, can you not simply supply the source since you've apparently seen it

[@christinemikhail7088]

Brian Edward I think the deadline article had an update that stated Sony countered. However I don’t recall if there was a 70/30 split.

[@brianstill516]

@@christinemikhail7088 just checked it, still no mention of sony countering the offer, only thing stated is that they walked away and wanted to keep the original offer and then publicly tweeted, no mention of a counter offer

[@YourMarvelFan]

Sony counter offered for 70/30 which was super generous but Disney is the one that left. The blame goes to Disney.

[@HardenJID]

Captain Spider-Man how’s that generous? Disney is the reason spider man is good right now considering when Sony had him by themselves they were dogshit and now their finally having success and think they can actually sustain it by themselves for a while lmao

[@molsy1768]

@@HardenJID its generous because Sony owns spiderman. If they take spiderman out, the mcu loses its core

[@TayNez63]

I dont see why 50/50 is not fair. If Marvel is coming up with all the scripts and heavy lifting and Sony is just sitting back to collect, I'd be upset at Sony a bit too

[@molsy1768]

@@TayNez63 because that 50/50 deal included Sony losing all creative control over all their marvel characters. In what way is it fair to take over the largest IP a company has in exchange for 50/50?

[@mjenningssmith]

Does that counter offer include 70/30 on the merch?

[@dv2244]

I blame Disney 100%.

[@jediprime9498]

Because they ruined the Spider-Man franchise, the same why they ruined the Star Wars Saga with The Rise of Skywalker

[@MegaMetallicaMASTER]

Disney wants more money.. while Sony have evey right to decline. I don't think Sony is doing anything wrong. Disney are too greedy.

[@izanagisburden9465]

@Bryan birdchest Callen that doesn't comply Sony to give more money to MCU lol

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@izanagisburden9465 It's just an MCU fanboy trying to stick up for its precious Disney

[@jediprime9498]

Because there the ones along with Jon Wats who ruined the Spider-Man franchise,the exact same way that they ruined the Star Wars franchise with The Rise of Skywalker

[@rasalpaul4574]

The Blame is of Disney.

[@jediprime9498]

Because they ruined the Spider-Man franchise, the same way they ruined the Star Wars Saga with The Rise of Skywalker

[@phenomenonnarutokun]

1) MCU Spider-Man has MCU backing it for the money. 2) No Spider-Man movie made less than 700 mil, which is still a lot. 3) Sony still has the best Spider-Man movies (SM 2 and Into the Spider-Verse) and they have an Oscar for the character. 4) Even without the MCU, they could continue the storyline of how FFH ended. 5) Sony just bought the company that made the most lucrative superhero video game ever. 6) Sony is already producing the movies from their pocket.

[@illusionlb]

after inflation. the spider-man movie have made moree than 1 billion

[@plo617]

@@illusionlb And that's not even considering how strong overseas numbers have gotten since those films.

[@Merdicano]

Well, they've always produced movies from their pocket, that's no mystery

[@SuperShanko]

disneydevil1 Vulture can stay while some other genius billionaire evil tech guy gives them updated equipment for a sinister six. Now who do we know is smart enough, rich enough and evil enough to give a guy a flying contraption and fancy weapons? Hmm....

[@g-roy23]

Points 3 & 5 are irrelevant considering that film was followed by 3 films that ultimately led to the deal and Sony Pictures is its own separate division, the insomniac purchase isn’t anything.

[@Dark11226]

Disney also wanted 50/50 funds and control over other spider man ips movies like venom etc which is insane

[@mikescott9012]

Thank you for mentioning one of the major factors in this clusterfuck

[@HarpreetSingh-cz2zh]

Yeah that’s asking for too much! No business can give away their assets like that, it’s like Disney is screwing Sony and they know it and just don’t care.

[@attiepollard7847]

Can we agree that Disney does a good job and sony sucks at comic book movies?

[@darth_kal-el]

Attie Pollard no. Spider-Man. Spider-Man 2. Amazing Spider-Man 1. Into the Spider-verse. So try again.

[@freddy.st16]

Disney also offered 50% of any movie that Spider-man makes an appearance in

[@thomassibley9475]

There was a 70/30 deal by Sony. Also Marvel wanted 50% on all spiderman universe movies

[@JD43232]

30% seems really nice from Sony. The Mouse fucked things up again

[@Will_I_am_not]

My question is where is everyone pulling these “70-30 split” from. I know deadline says that Sony made a counter offer but nowhere does it specify those numbers, this is the closest thing: “Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didn’t want to do that. “ and now the Hollywood Reporter states the contrary, saying that Disney was willing to accept at least 30% “Disney had been seeking a co-financing arrangement on upcoming movies, looking for at least a 30 percent stake.” I’m very confused

[@nyfranchise01]

That 70/30 deal was NOT from Sony it was from Disney. Sony never offered a counter offer to Disney they just pulled out.

[@BJH34]

The second part of what you said is the most important and most ignored part of the whole thing. Disney basically wants to control another cinematic universe. If they want that much control, then they might as well give Sony an offer to buy spiderman

[@Paul94096]

THR says Disney wanted 30% but Sony left. And there's reports saying both sides are pointing fingers, and if your read Sony's tweets that night, they really did throw Disney under the bus with that official statement before Disney said anything officially.

[@chinmayapattnaik2876]

How come a guy like me knows more than these people... Stop spreading misinformation guys....

[@FinalFlameProductions]

Did he just say the only reason people went to Venom was becuse they thought Tom Holland was ut in ? OMG, the MCU obsession is strong.

[@emilyancona2538]

THANK YOU! This was driving me crazy!! A movie doesn't make $850 million because there was a rumor that can be immediately disproven in the first day of it opening.

[@scorpiobrand]

watch john campea's coverage. way more insight and info.

[@stevensteven1526]

@huckPG well seeing how he speaks facts not like these clowns here i wish he would come back and speak over them with real,full facts

[@Kasino80]

They need to get rid of Roxy and Kristian for these. Roxy doesn't know what they're talking about half the time, and Kristian always seems grumpy and condescending.

[@bruceaeroustile9769]

Sony did do a counter offer 70-30

[@mikesknow]

Is there a source for this information? If Sony offered 30 and Disney walked, that would be pretty dumb considering they’ve positioned Spidey to be the center of the universe.

[@bbaerga121697]

BruceAeroustile not only that they wanted 50/50 control of Sony spin offs movie like venom into the spider verse all that stuff Disney greedy

[@yippykiyay893]

@@mikesknow it was buried in one of the Deadline articles

[@mikesknow]

Jeez. That’s really ridiculous.

[@jeremyriley1238]

@@bbaerga121697 Yeah, I agree. People are going to blame Sony because nowadays, they are easy targets due to how many bad films they made, but Disney is clearly to blame because they have gotten greedy, especially with buying things like Star Wars, Marvel, and even buying Fox.

[@surfin392]

More studios should say no to Disney.

[@emanuelsamuel4763]

sony offer them 30% and disney did not take it Sir

[@MonBriella]

noup, it was Disney who wanted to go 30-70

[@Xfactor3521]

@@MonBriella No, Disney wanted 50/50 split

[@crashpal]

@@MonBriella heck no Disney wanted 50 or more but Sony did offer them 30 but Disney refused

[@3rdARKnight]

crashpal negative Disney offered first Sony never responded DisNey THEN asked for 50%

[@Xfactor3521]

@@3rdARKnight Wrong again, Disney wanted 50/50. Sony said no then Disney offered 70/30, to which Sony still said no.

[@superfox718]

Man these guys are clueless..Do Your Research!!!!!!!

[@ryanricardo]

Super Fox 👍

[@TheSSUltimateGoku]

Super Fox they clearly did not!

[@nathansentertainmentnews6971]

They’re reporting it, but they haven’t announced the official deal yet but I hope so

[@24klogan86]

Disney is the bully in this situation and it's not even a debate💯

[@24klogan86]

@Tidder T Exactly

[@crashpal]

@Tidder T exactly. Sony is putting everything in the movies it's all their hard work, blood, sweat, tears, and effort and Disney gets more for nothing while Sony gets less than what they are putting

[@molsy1768]

Disney is definitely the villain in this situation

[@jediprime9498]

Because there the ones along with Jon Wats who ruined the Spider-Man franchise, the same way they ruined the Star Wars franchise with The Rise of Skywalker.

[@vincknade5140]

Here's the sad part. With all the news that's come out, it's become increasingly clear that Disney is at fault for their greed, but it doesn't matter. Disney is invincible now. We're mad that they don't own Spidey, but they pretty much own everything else. Even if Sony works extremely hard to make some amazing new Spider-Man films, a lot of people won't see it because it's not a part of the MCU. Into the Spider-Verse was great and won an Oscar, but do you guys know how much money that movie made? Not much. Wanna know why Venom did so well? Tons of rumours that it would somehow connect to the MCU or that Tom Holland would cameo in it (which according to this video is actually true and they cut it out which is kinda hilarious), which put enough asses in seats for people to realize that Venon was like a weird so-bad-its-good kinda movie and for word to spread. In both situations the MCU had a big impact on the box office return. Disney can survive without Spider-Man, but can Sony survive if people don't see their most lucrative character in films anymore?

[@Salieri21]

The first Spider-Man grossed $821 millions in 2002. That is worth at least $1.3 Billion these days.

[@tcdahn7]

As a Disney shareholder, Disney should keep the 5 percent as is. It's basically money for nothing. Tom Hardy as Venom and Jared Leto as Morbius sounds awesome. Make that Spiderman movie!

[@Merdicano]

I'm excited for Morbius, mainly rooting for Jared Leto

[@kelex12]

0:24 0:38 2:09 4:11 4:34 9:16 13:05 14:10 16:40 - Roxy, clueless as usual. Is she on this show simply to make the others look really smart? So dumb.

[@superfox718]

She's an idiot!

[@henryk.5192]

Maybe it's just her job to ask clarification questions. If not, then she really needs to read up on her superhero movie news.

[@gr8st2323]

Nah not on this one. If you really look at it she’s the one trying to bring clarity to the conversation. In the form of sorta bimbo questions so she doesn’t hurt the guys egos. They sound clueless

[@rvdthedudar9231]

She needed the day off. WOW....Brutal.

[@Vidusik]

Wow, Disney is greedy and water is wet.

[@jediprime9498]

Because they ruined the spider-man franchise,the same way that they ruined the Star Wars Saga with The Rise of Skywalker

[@eon001]

Wow Holland kept his Venom cameo a secret? That's a miracle.

[@joefrisco8025]

👌👌

[@travis_mitchell]

eon001 There’s an interview for Homecoming where he’s asked about Venom, he almost spoils something but stops himself, now in retrospect, he spoiled it.

[@zechrojas2202]

Considering Disney pulled the Spiderman scene out of the Venom movie, I'd say he was given an unpleasant conversation reinforcing the need for discretion. I imagine Holland peed a little.

[@AlwaysNerdyTV]

Still no proof he was ever in the film or even shot scenes from it. Sorry I don't take "he said-she said" as facts. Please prove he filmed anything for Venom.

[@eon001]

@@AlwaysNerdyTV Agreed. Not saying it didn't happen, but I'm not with this, "I know someone that knows someone" nonsense. I'll believe when I see it.

[@Litaonyo]

Disney literally insulted Sony with that 50-50% deal. Honestly Disney needed to be humbled.

[@jediprime9498]

Because there the ones along with Jon Wats who ruined the Spider-Man franchise, the same way that they ruined the Star Wars Saga with The Rise of Skywalker

[@JCA421]

Disney made Billions on the merchandise. Sony only getting movie money. Why would Sony give up controlling interest on something they own? If Disney was willing to go 50/50 on merchandise to then that another thing.

[@MsShuYing]

Everyone is talking about how the crews didn't do their research and said dumb things. About Sony's counter offer, I have been researching and really didn't see any validated news. I do heard from Campea's show, but again, I really haven't see credible news on that yet. Hence I really don't think blaming the crews here are fair. Based on what I heard, Kristian did say that if Sony make a counter offer and Disney leave, that's Disney being a dixk. If Sony didn't make a counter offer and just walk away, that's Sony's fault. And they also agreed that 50-50 is unreasonable. It sounds pretty objective. The comments are really overly harsh to the Collider crews. Not a huge fans of Collider, but most of the time I quite agree with Kristian at least. And I was pretty upset by their arrogance and dismissive talks about Game of Thrones finale too. Well at the end Kristian did apologise, appreciate that, and apology accepted. Again, if you manage to share a credib

[@GhostFaceLives44]

Disney

[@Ichsukatanuka]

Datknee.

[@Joker-mq7zr]

Needs to die

[@rvdthedudar9231]

ROXY should not be there......she is clueless on this. Go to sleep. WOW.

[@ImposterStix]

Everytime she speaks I cringe

[@Salieri21]

Adjusted for inflation, the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies grossed much more than the newest one because it sold so much more tickets.

[@andrewgoode7640]

Sony did counter at 70% and 30%.

[@Dayonetheone]

Damn, you were at that boardroom meeting?

[@joejodoin3494]

I've seen this comment 100 times, but can't find the source! Where'd you find out about that?

[@andrewgoode7640]

@@joejodoin3494 I heard it from John Campea and he says the source in his video but I can't recall off the top of my head

[@joejodoin3494]

@@andrewgoode7640 ya he said he had a source, which is good, but he's the first one to admit his sources have been wrong before... The THR article last night had a quote in it saying "Now, insiders at both studios are pointing fingers at one another about counteroffers that never happened or offers that were supposedly mighty generous"... So ya, maybe the 70-30 offer did happen, maybe it didn't, we just don't know

[@YungLanxx]

Andrew Goode Campea has been biased towards Sony I wouldn’t take his rumours seriously and seriously if no one can find solid evidence that Sony offered 30% people need to stop saying it like its fact smh

[@vortexknight6420]

This video is an example why you should wait and see both sides before commenting with your heart.

[@1983thefrank]

It's amazing the lack of research that was done with this story

[@AaronH9111]

Disney and Sony...work it out! Because if you don't Everyone loses!

[@izumolee6714]

That 50/50 deal by Disney also meant that they would have a say in future standalone Spidey films as well as be able to use any character from the Spiderverse in the MCU without the consent of Sony. Spidey is Sony's biggest IP and having another studio waltz right in and demand basically control over that asset is ludicrous. Of course Sony was gonna walk away from that any sensible business person would think that is crazy talk. So why is Sony the bad guy in all this when as a business exec be insulted by another company demanding or extorting something that you own.

[@molsy1768]

You guys really dropped the ball by not researching this one. Part of this deal is that Disney has full creative control over all of Sony's marvel characters

[@molsy1768]

@@scarabespada exactly, funny how the fandom can know so much and yet understand so little at the same time

[@marcpena1148]

Yeah I kind of I'm hoping that they address this tomorrow cuz they just basically shelled out a bunch of false information on the story cuz they drop the ball and didn't do all the research LOL. In fact if you guys have Twitter you should hit one of these fools up and tell them they got all their s*** wrong

[@christophergarrett7082]

I don't blame sony. Disney offer is ridiculous

[@crashpal]

Sony is putting more but getting less while Disney is putting nothing at all but getting more

[@jediprime9498]

Because there the ones along with Jon Watts who ruined the Spider-Man franchise, the same way that they ruined the Star Wars saga with The Rise of Skywalker

[@jamesschmid1975]

Disney's 7 Billion from 5 movies in 9 months, 5% of Sony ticket sales, Sony receiving 0% profit for MCU films featuring their property and 100% toy revenue wasn't enough for them... but Sonys the villain in all this for saying no to losing 45% of their own damn movies profits... this whole thing is ludicrous

[@MauriceCharles]

I don't hate the Amazing Spider-Man 2; I merely see it more as a "B" movie with an "A" budget, that had heavy interference from Avi Arad.

[@THECOVERBANDMAN]

You guys didn’t read the full report. Disney wants 50% of all Spider-Man related movies including venom and any character under the Spider-Man umbrella. Not just the Spider-Man movies.

[@THECOVERBANDMAN]

Benito Riggio agreed. but since it’s come out one of the trades and I’ll be honest I can’t remember who, said Sony came back with a 70% 30% counter and Disney said no. I dont know how much to believe in if that’s true but it’s something to think about. To me that’s even crazy for Sony to offer that much back .

[@MyJourneyConcludes]

@@THECOVERBANDMAN Yeah, If I was Sony I wouldn't offer a 70/30 split and the fact that Disney STILL walked away from that deal is alarming. Disney is becoming a dangerous monopoly.

[@THECOVERBANDMAN]

@@MyJourneyConcludes they're not a monopoly until they make every single movie. It baffles me that Sony would be that desperate to make that deal. Disney is currently doing very well with all of their properties. But even they still release a couple movies a year that lose them money.

[@MyJourneyConcludes]

Ironman109 Yes, that's why I said they're BECOMING a dangerous monopoly. And the fact that Disney still denied a 70/30 deal I think should really be some food for thought for all these MCU Stan's defending Disney.

[@THECOVERBANDMAN]

@@MyJourneyConcludes people should be grateful that they were able to see a spiderman not owned by marvel that was connected to the marvel universe in 5 films.

[@diamondrattler7453]

Blame Disney.

[@jagjag1277]

Yup Sony went back and offer 70 30 and Disney says NOOOOOO

[@TheManOfGold7]

“So this is about spider man right?” Jesus Christ

[@MasterChris666]

Disney greed. Sony was right

[@gordobrigadainviernoel8216]

Disney is totally to blame here, no exceptions.

[@WILHELMTHEWANDERER]

Your lack of research and bias towards anything not Disney really shows in this video. To much personal input not enough factual information.

[@kadeforte3604]

Exactly

[@82Jaster]

Disney gets 100% of the merchandise. They get 100% of gross from any of the non-Spider-Man MCU movies that he appears in. And now that want 50% of the only thing that Sony makes money off of in terms of Spider-Man movies? There's no realistic scenario in which Sony was ever going to agree to that. And if they did then they'd be fired on the spot for giving up half of Sony's biggest movie franchise. While it's true that Disney/Marvel helped elevate Spider-Man to a billion. Let's not act like the movies were doing poorly. Every live action Sony Spider-Man movie has made over 700m. What Disney/Marvel has contributed to it certainly warrants them asking for a bigger share than 5%, but it's nowhere near 50%. 15-20%? Sure.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

+82Jaster In the eyes of audiences like me, Spider-Man was dying a slow death after Spider-Man 2.

[@Bayard1503]

So, what good is if the movies now go up from 800 to 1100 if at the same time they lose 50% of that???

[@StarForgedTCG]

and sony offered them 30% and disney declined it

[@DanielBrongers]

I definitely agree to that. 25% max should be enough for Disney, but it is definitely not worth it to ask me for more...

[@DanThaManOhNo]

It's their character

[@KiLlACaMrOn94]

NOBODY was actually speaking in facts, only opinions smh

[@charliesolis8471]

You guys talking about a situation without knowing all the details

[@Joker-mq7zr]

For once sony is not to blame, it's all disney fault their selfish hunger for profit

[@roshieifra]

All you people who were happy about Disney buying fox, this is what you get. Welcome to planet Disney.

[@gr8st2323]

You guys sound way uninformed. Ole girl was trying to get y’all on point and you just basically ignored her smh. Not good

[@8BitEpidemic]

You guys aren't very informed about this topic. This is the first clip I've ever seen of your show, and honestly I'm never watching more of this. You guys do a terrible job.

[@JimONeill]

Stan Lee's daughter has sided with Sony on this matter. She said Disney & Marvel treated Stan terribly in the last few years.

[@Protantagonist]

Stan Lee's daughter spent decades trying to swindle money out of him and allowed years of elder abuse also.... she's just a mooch at this point

[@JimONeill]

Heard all that was proved to be rubbish.

[@JimONeill]

Still doesn't change the fact that Disney and the Marvel execs screwed over Stan.

[@Hudathan]

Wow, got a lot of industry critics on this opinion segment. Since you all are so well-connected with going-on's at Disney and Sony why don't you start your own channels since Collider is doing such a bad job?

[@jeremyshiner7341]

Disney wants all the money

[@abdulrehmani6736]

If it's 50/50 then it should be for everything associated with spider-man includes movies, merchandise and theme park rides

[@Sencez1]

Not to be mean but Reily completely fumbled introducing this topic and the research.

[@tamelo]

Considering inflation SM 1 e 2 made more money than Far from home. FFH had a gigantic marketing budget.

[@myself989]

GREAT DISCUSSION guys. BTW Sony did counter 30/70, Disney didnt accept

[@The_Wolverine38]

This is them not looking enough in the story. They are looking like idiots not knowing the entire story. John Campea’s discussion is way better.

[@roshieifra]

Disney has got to calm the f*ck down. I wouldn't give Disney 50% either. How much bigger does Disney want to get? I'll say this again, we're living in a sad world, when all we're going to get is disneyfied movies & TV soon. :(

[@heronation6162]

Mcu fanboy are the only people who are boycott not spiderman get it right

[@batmanvideogames]

This is hard to listen , they didn’t do any research

[@One21Jiggawatts]

Campea and Burnett are killing it right now.

[@Kasino80]

And screen junkies

[@One21Jiggawatts]

Kasino80 I didn’t know SJ were still around. I unsubscribed a couple of years ago.

[@Kasino80]

@@One21Jiggawatts they are they're with Fandom Entertainment now. They're really knowledgeable and hella funny.

[@MrSeriousguy101]

John Campea did a lot more research and actually read the article. These guys are straight amateurs loool

[@brentwilliamhenry5170]

Would love to see Spider-Man in DC.

[@URAWESOME94]

... Sony did come back with a counter offer

[@jasondylan12345]

DISNEY’s FAULT

[@24klogan86]

Without a doubt!

[@Ichsukatanuka]

Disney are our evil overlords.

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

Sony out Thanos’ed Disney.

[@crashpal]

Disney: "give me rent!"

[@PC_Games]

See, this is why I stopped watching Collider. These guys do absolutely no research and just ramble on for hours about nonsense. Guys, do yourself a favor and go check out John Campea’s video on this topic.

[@Kasino80]

And since they don't have Ellis anymore they've become so fucking self-righteous.

[@sucio721]

Universal didn’t agree with Disney and don’t give up the Hulk !! Why should SONY ?! Tired of Disney trying control the world

[@taylorurok]

You actually just said Sony can't say no to 50/50 I'm out...I believe that's exactly what they did...😂😂😂

[@PharaohofVibes]

again Roxy adds nothing to the conversation and time is spent explaining things TO her....is she there as a favor to someone?

[@GuitarJester89]

They were only getting 5% sure. But Sony was financing the Spider Man films. Not Disney. So the 5% considering isn't bad.

[@Merdicano]

Also Disney gets all the merchandising and toys from the movies

[@armanimartinez8105]

1. Far from home only made 1 billion because that rumor came out where it needed to and all the marvel super fans came in flock to give Disney money. 2. Sony bought insomniac games and now they are going to produce exclusive Spider-Man games forever and ever. 3. Disney makes 4 billion this summer and wants more and more money 4. If Spider-Man does leave then that makes Disney fast track fantastic 4 or x men because currently they don’t have any heavy hitters besides black panther and maybe captain marvel. 5.if Spider-Man leaves the MCU then we get traditional old school Spider-Man movies that can be their own thing and come out whenever. Which is something people have been wanting for ever since we got iron man junior spider boy

[@macksonedinis3670]

yeah because you trust amy pascal and rothman to make good decisions

[@sanwalyousaf]

Campea did the show an hour before you guys and had a lot more information. You guys have such under cooked representation of the story

[@BossTripp1]

Omg do u guys really not research things? It’s not 50% of just spiderman movies, it’s all the movies they would have in that universe. Smh!

[@hillovision7065]

and they would all be made together with Disney putting up 50% of the budget and marketing

[@BossTripp1]

Hillovision yes but would have 50% control over the main cash cow from sony. This is unprecedented and NO company would ever agree to that.

[@Earthman99999]

I'm sure Warner DC is happy about this.

[@falselight]

The cliff hanger in the Spider-man franchise isn't dependent at all on the MCU, they wrapped up the heir to Tony Stark arc and his identity being public has nothing to do with the MCU or any of its characters or stories, and can easily be continued on it's own. The only MCU character tied to the Spider-man franchise from the Spider-man point of view is Happy Hogan... and the Skrull cliff hanger is more of Captain Marvel 2 / MCU tease than Spider-man related. The MCU is more tied to Spider-man than Spider-man solo canon is tied to the MCU.

[@KarlKingSon]

They are so often off the mark with their facts. It’s very hard to watch at times. Come on guys!

[@alrensha7479]

Nobody in their right mind would agree to Marvels demands. No studio would agree to Disneys offer. They wanted 50/50 profit split(10 times more than before) and also wanted 50%of other sony properties as well(venom 2, kraven, etc....)

[@plo617]

People are insane to think that Sony should've taken the deal. Disney is power drunk right now.

[@dirtbag_8132]

Why wouldn't they want 50% of the profits? They offered to co-finance them on an even split.

[@dirtbag_8132]

Disney/Marvel did the heavy lifting. Sony was on their way to shelving the characters, after a failed reboot. Also, Sony had the chance to include merchandising in their original purchase of the IP, they didn't want it. All, they wanted was the "live action" rights.

[@Sencez1]

You guys did better research on Bachelor in Paradise than you did on this topic.

[@GhostFaceLives44]

Plain and simple GREEDY

[@One21Jiggawatts]

The Raimi films when adjusted for inflation are bigger than the MCU Spiderman films.

[@MauriceCharles]

Harloff is spooked that Sony is walking around with bigger Space balls (symbiote). Sony blew up the Death Star. LMAO

[@vijaysumandasari8358]

But 50/50 is not just for spider man movies...disney wanted 50/50 for all sony marvel assets like venom, morbius etc.

[@darkside91]

0:28...Roxy.........wake up!

[@Nick_Barone]

For a second I thought they were gonna have to explain who Spider man is to her

[@d3rrick10493]

Is she really that dumb? She is clearly trying to clarify for those listening, what they're discussing. I think that might actually makes You stupid for not realizing this.

[@Nick_Barone]

DMartin nah

[@JBrotsis1]

Roxy is just their for gender diversity. That’s it.

[@gr8st2323]

DMartin I said the same thing! SHE is the one trying to inject some clarity. Those dudes sound clueless

[@ssj4brandon1]

Make me sad you guys didn't research this better. Sony did a counter offer. Also i believe Disney wanted right to like Vemon etc... on top of the 50/50.

[@byrondeleon5034]

The more I watch this show the more I realize collider live only reads headlines and do not dwell into stories. Kinda embarrassing really.

[@ryanricardo]

Byron De Leon 👍

[@JBrotsis1]

I stopped watching collider over a year ago. Not the same as AMC movie talk. Go sub to John Campea. He and Robby B put out much better and informative shows.

[@gr8st2323]

Byron De Leon 100% smh

[@NoirTech83]

god these guys cant help but interrupt and talk over each other, three people answering one question. it keeps me from watching long videos