Is this beginner trail still stock friendly? | Webster Pass Trail Guide

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

The Xterra I’m with today… edited this video! He’s a miracle worker in my opinion. Also, yes, this was shot a while ago (we are 30 videos behind), but what we show you here is how this trail has always been. Of note, if you use OnX, this trail has been mislabeled for a long time as Radical Hill. This video shows the correct info and if you want a reliable trail info app, get TrailsOffroad. -Dewie

[@swingoakfarm8675]

Really liking your channel, I ran some of these trails in the late 80's and early 90's with a front wheel drive VW Dasher wagon and later with an Audi Fox - and obvviously went on a lot of trails I had no business being on with those vehicles, but I never got stuck! Thanks for another great video and love the content!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thank you for comment! We are just trying to improve our videos with each upload as these trails deserve the best we can give them.

[@bethgoodwine7632]

Thanks for the video Dewie! I’ve been looking to tackle my first “real” Jeep trail in my stock KL Trailhawk w/ KO2s, but it looks like I should probably get a little more experience under my belt before I try this one. These videos are very helpful, especially for beginners, I’m so grateful for your channel!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

That’s what these are here for. So far, most of our overland guides (filmed, not edited) have been easier trails with optional harder trails. We are trying to cover easier trails… I just didn’t know how to make them entertaining, but I think we’re figuring that out.

[@bethgoodwine7632]

@@coloradomallcrawlers Good to hear! I imagine it’s hard to keep viewers’ attention with pretty scenery alone. I do like the overlanding idea though. I’ve been looking for beginner trails with good dispersed camping. Campgrounds are too pricey and too crowded. Looking forward to seeing those videos, once you get some time to work on them. I know production can be very time consuming.

[@WK2OffGrid]

Another great video. I am always looking forward to your next adventure.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thank you!

[@shawnmadden4966]

Another good one. The breadth of trails that y'all cover is fantastic ! I feel comfortable recommending you to any of my friends regardless of their level or vehicle

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thank you! We’re trying to mix it up better especially since I think I’m getting better at filming easier trails. Still, we love the harder ones.

[@shawnmadden4966]

@@coloradomallcrawlers have you thought about adding some bigger or maybe even fullsize rigs for the trips? lots of fully loaded Tacoma's, raptors and quad cab pickups running around out there these days

[@SchecterWolfe]

I met you on Websters Pass near the end of Red Cone last week, I was the guy taking photos at one of the switchback turns. Also, I tried out TrailsOffroad, I love it. It's going to be my go-to from now on, thanks!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

It was a pleasure meeting you! Glad TrailsOffroad is working out… I love it too!

[@mtbpirates]

You do a great job on these videos. Thanks for posting!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thank you! It helps having an editor like Drew. These older ones were not filmed very well.

[@ericsandoval3436]

Another awesome video! The views on this trail are pretty amazing! I wish it wasn't such a long drive for me to get to it!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thanks for watching!

[@s.a.dtactical378]

I don't understand what turned the other vehicles back 😂. This is something I wanted to do (run fairly stock / unmodified vehicles and see what they can get through) and while I enjoyed doing the trails and filming I always hated trying to edit footage and create dialogue for content. Good luck with your channel looks like you're already off and running hope it's a success for you.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Me neither, but it’s never a bad idea to turn around if you are unsure. Thanks, editing guides is tough, but I believe we have improved a lot from when I started in 2019. My only goal is to make better videos and we’re getting there.

[@westcomotorad5541]

Great video as always…Dewy you rock! Great true and legit guide. Thanks sir

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thank you for tuning in… you rock!

[@SteveBl]

I’m pleased to see that first gen Xterra on the trail. I still run trails with my 2000 Xterra.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Yeah, Drew’s Xterra is awesome! I’ve always been a fan of the Xterra myself… hoping for a new version of it.

[@one-WildCard]

I absolutely love your videos and your type of off-roading. If i wasn't so far away up here in Ontario Canada , I'd wheel with you guys every weekend. Looking forward to your next video. Cheers!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Glad you like them!

[@AdventureBraten01]

Fantastic video as always 10/10 (props to the xterra editor too)

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thank you! Yeah, he’s great!

[@Colorado4x4]

Great video bro! Love watching what you put out. One of these days we will hit a trail together

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

We really need to!

[@Colorado4x4]

@@coloradomallcrawlerswe’re going out to junction this fall to wheel with my buddy Camron but I’m just going to drive one of his crawlers and film. My jeep won’t be able to do the shit they run. Trying to wheel more this year so let me know

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

I’m in Junction, but I finally have off days this year so every 11 days or so, I go wheeling. Just let me know.

[@Colorado4x4]

@@coloradomallcrawlerswill do

[@DM-tf6mk]

Great video, narration, and information!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thank you! We try to make great vids as your time is valuable.

[@mikegallagher2732]

YO Buddy !!!!!! THANKS AGAIN for yet ANOTHER Great vid !!!! Ive done This trail QUITE often ...( Along with ALLL the others in this area !!!!)

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thanks bud! Our next ones are our most involved edits ever. Drew has 4 days of wheeling footage and I have 750GB of footage so it’s going to take us a while to get them done…. But I think you will like them!

[@mikegallagher2732]

@@coloradomallcrawlers Can't wait and IM SURE they WILL be AWESOME !!!! 🤘😄🤘

[@BruceMBeals]

Nice video. Have done this trail twice in a 4Runner. Beautiful scenery, certainly compared to where we mostly Jeep here in California.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Very cool!

[@OXFOOT]

Need to hit this lighter trail again soon to get some camping in out that way!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Yeah buddy!

[@billj5645]

We just did that trail 2 days ago. Most of the shelf road is not narrow enough to be of concern if you have some experience with shelf roads and the off camber section didn't even register with me. Down at the bottom of that section there is a short length that is very narrow. It didn't bother me but I did pay attention to my line. It is not quite as intimidating as sections higher up because the amount of drop off is not nearly as much meaning the bottom of the hill is relatively close but it is still high enough to hurt if you rolled down it. (You need to pay attention to your driving when you are on any shelf road.) Once you get to the bottom it is a long bumpy road to reach the paved road. We didn't see much camping at the beginning of the trail, there are official campsites at the west end of the trail.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Great insight! About camping, I’m going to make a couple overland guides in this area and I’ll show where the good camping is. There’s lots of spots in summit county.

[@jeffwarnerPHOTOcom]

@@coloradomallcrawlers Please don't do that. The best way to find campsites is to explore.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

My plan is good, there’s always more spots around… but this will be about saving our trails

[@lorenzotelleria4200]

My buddy did it in his new X5m with Michelin Pilot Sport tires so with determination anything will get through!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

That is true!

[@DR-ge8hp]

1st GEN XTRERRA GANG LETS GOOO!!!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Xterras are awesome!

[@DH.Maker.Artist]

That narrow tippy section doesn't feel great but it's worth it for the mountain views.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Yeah, truth!

[@tedjaeggi4766]

On the "Pucker Factor spot" where it is narrow, will a Ford Raptor fit through it? BTW, thanks for the video I haven't been up there in at least 20 years.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Hmmm, I think a skilled and confident driver could maybe fit it, but I’m not sure I would attempt it. I think going up Red Cone is the safer bet for the raptor and I’d much rather do that than see if I fit up there. Maybe a raptor owner will chime in tho.

[@TrailsToro]

I accidentally ran Radical Hill down hill by accident in a Silverado lol. What I wanted to run was Webster pass 😅

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Oh man, lol

[@outlaw9232]

Great job Drew!!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

He’s the best!

[@DH.Maker.Artist]

@@outlaw9232 thank you!

[@Iceman_777]

DON'T EVER RUN A TRAIL WITH THIS OLD SCUMBAG !! HE left me stranded on a trail for 3 days and never helped then had the nerve to make a video about it. What a pile of 💩

[@Iceman_777]

Don't ever run a trail with this dirtball. He left me stranded on red elephant for 3 days and did absolutely nothing but run his mouth after and make a video about it. Very bad people.

[@outlaw9232]

Dean-Johnson67...I have to agree with you. I've run this trail a few times and don't remember a spot that narrow.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Lol, I swear my JK’s tire went into the hole and it was stock too. Probably took a bad line last time I did it.

[@markgerhart8112]

It is tight due to rock slide this year.

[@Rocklobster700]

Don't ever run a trail with this guy. He left me broke down on red elephant for 3 days and no help at all. His only help was running his mouth and making a video. 👎

[@WorkFromHomeFriday]

Good stuff, as always. I mapped this for TOR and I'm always tempted to lower the rating to 3 (high end of "easy"), but I feel like setting it to 4 (low end of "moderate") will prevent someone with not enough experience from ending up on the Narrows and making a tragic mistake. You tell me, honestly, would you want that guy in the Ridgeline running the Narrows?

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

I would run it in a ridgeline 😉. To me, it’s rarely about the vehicle, more about the driver. Thanks for doing what you do buddy!

[@WorkFromHomeFriday]

@@coloradomallcrawlers Oh, so would I! That's why my question was "would you want THAT GUY..."

[@FearlessTrailhawk]

Great vid again! Silly colorado offroaders and their silly scenery...😉

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

😂

[@adamsfly6212]

I haven't been over Webster in probably 30 years and it doesn't look like much has changed. I'm surprised it isn't one way and as I recall it is very narrow as you pointed out. Also, I would travel the opposite direction than you since the vehicle traveling up has the right of way 😉

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Yeah, that’s a good way, but you miss out on red cone 😉. This was the last day of multiple filming days. We started with peak 10 (published). Then we did an offroad camping trip up and down the swan river trails from breck. We wanted one last day and did Webster… I’m surprised I had enough memory cards to film this. Thanks for watching!

[@adamsfly6212]

@@coloradomallcrawlers I've been driving 4WD machines for over 40 years and never did red cone, too scared LOL. I don't mind technical, but when it comes to death, no thanks. Another reason why I've never done black bear.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Not a bad thing to know what you like or don’t like. I like filming some of the scary stuff so we’ll have more terrifying trails in videos in the future. And of course some pretty ones!

[@paulseidel5819]

Good video. Thanks

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thank you!

[@MKAK47]

Montezuma residents are incredibly ignorant when it comes to 4x4 and OHV users unfortunately. Glad to see you still with us Dewie!

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

We are always here working on vids, but our jobs pay the bills so those unfortunately come first. I have no complaints with Montezuma… the town’s road is a very small part of an offroad trip around there.

[@pr8858]

Can this be done in a RAM 2500? Truck is capable with mods such as king shocks, 37 tires, etc. Looking at some of those tight turns and narrow roads. Thoughts?

[@FlewTheCoop]

12:34. Thanks for the extra effort

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

I love getting out and showing the trail. I just don’t show it a lot of my edits as I don’t think anyone wants to see me. Drew’s edits have been teaching me there is more to just showing a trail to making a good video. Thanks for your confidence!

[@SuperTcoop]

Taking a off-road trip to CO this year, and trying to find 4 days worth of trails to hit

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Oh man, you’ll want to watch our new series… there are so many 4 day trail trips that are mindblowing! My next edit is one of those trips.

[@SuperTcoop]

@@coloradomallcrawlers I’ll keep an eye out

[@rollingedges9469]

The sidebyside's are funking the trail's.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Bad users are funking up the trails. Altho I believe it’s really easy to go too fast in SXSs and that they’re better vehicles for open OHV spaces, offroad parks, and desert wheeling (vs the slow wheeling trails in Colorado and Moab). I do want to believe most SXS users are responsible wheelers tho.

[@RockSpotter-ky4sb]

@@coloradomallcrawlers I think they do tend to get going alot faster than most jeeps do when offroading, I ended up crashing my liberty a couple weeks ago on a blind corner with an atv, I was basically stopped while they still were carrying alot of speed. But other than tight forest road ohv area and open areas atvs are no problem, you can see them coming for miles due to the dust cloud.

[@libertystuffnthingsreviews829]

Cool.

[@VideosOffRoad]

9:56 You filmed this 2 years ago? Could it still be accurate if it's only now being published?

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

I’ve been wheeling this for a long time and over the years, it’s always the same. However a trail can change at anytime (rockslides, washouts). Always use your judgement when wheeling. FYI, according to trailsoffroad, this trail is as it always is.

[@jclee0314]

12:04 is scary. My Jeep is much wider on 38x13.5s and that spot will get your attention

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

For sure!

[@tbaylo4034]

Yeah, no doubt. I had to pause it right there and go check out stock Jeep specs vs my Outback Wilderness. Surprisingly, the tracks are nearly identical and my wheelbase is just about in the center of the 2 door and 4 door rubicon. We had a JK sport a few years ago but the gas mileage and the ever leaky hardtop killed it for us.

[@DeanJohnson67]

dunno yet but that font vehicle is at narrow tippy section !

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Lol, yep!

[@Iceman_777]

The narrows look more narrow. 😂

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Haha, I apparently thought the opposite

[@Iceman_777]

@coloradomallcrawlers I've been through there probably 4 times up and down in a full-size. Looks worse but hopefully not it's been 2 years since I went through.

[@senfo-s5p]

At 10:05, you left a comment in the video saying it was "Filmed August 5th 2022". Did you mean 2024?

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Nah, we work full time jobs and are 30 videos behind (need editing). Anyway, I’ve done Webster numerous times over the years and it’s always the same. HOWEVER, you should NEVER rely on a video for trail conditions… even if it was filmed yesterday. These videos are designed to show you the trail so you can decide if it’s worth doing. They are also for people who will not get to see these trails in person like my mom.

[@senfo-s5p]

@@coloradomallcrawlers it was almost two years to the day, so I thought it might have been a typo. We were out near there a few days ago, so I was wondering if we crossed paths. This is a very cool video, by the way and I agree with your criticism about using a video for trail conditions. Things change rapidly out here (sometimes within hours).

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

No worries, it has just been mentioned in a few comments. Our videos are often late as our jobs make editing tough (I switch from working days to nights regularly). I was just getting concerned because it seems some people are using the videos for conditions. That was worrying me. These videos have never been intended as a conditions video… they’re what does this trail offer, is it actually worth doing, how to navigate it, and I try to make them entertaining enough that someone like my mom would watch to see a cool part of the world (that they likely will never see for themselves). Even when we get a video out immediately like Mount Baldy or Engineer last year, the conditions are usually changed within a few days. Baldy had the Rock Slide cleared, Engineer’s snow drift was cleared a day or so after filming. In fact, until recently, Webster still had the snow drift blocking handcart. So this video is most similar to what someone would encounter if they ran it now.

[@monteulm5108]

What tire pressure do you like for trails like this and maybe a little harder.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

I will air down for mud, snow, sand, wet rocks, or the need for additional traction on tough obstacles (most obstacles are not that tough tho). I’ve been offroading for decades so I rarely air down for comfort as the new vehicles like the JL are smooth like butter. Still, when I do air down, pressure will vary depending on what I need from them. Optimal pressure also varies based on your vehicle, tire, and weight. 18-22 is a safe number in a stock JL rubicon, but I have gone lower.

[@anthonyhitchings1051]

Your rear wheels can not be turned uphill on a side slope, so avoid sideslopes with deadly downslopes

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

It’s the nature of wheeling in Colorado… if I avoided it, I’d never get to see some of the stuff I see. Life is about taking calculated risks, my friends and I take these.

[@Robert_alea]

Is there room for a full size pickup

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

I can’t make that assessment. Would I try it? Probably not, but then I see my buddy Rick squeeze a power wagon through crazy spots.

[@stacky512a]

Almost as smooth as a paved road.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Lol, yeah!

[@Rocklobster700]

Colorado4x4 and Outlaw923 are a serious joke !! They left me on red elephant broke down for 3 days then had the nerve to drop videos saying that they helped with the recovery. Serious Cowards they are !!

[@Travisj9935]

Had to wait to watch this and it was filmed in 2022? 🙄

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

We have regular jobs man, but the trail doesn’t change. I’ve done it numerous times over the years and it’s always the same. HOWEVER, you should NEVER rely on a video for trail conditions… even if it was filmed yesterday. These videos are designed to show you the trail so you can decide if it’s worth doing. They are also for people who will not get to see these trails in person like my mom.

[@EnufIsTooMuch]

I gave up less than half way into the video because of the background music. Sure wish KZbinr's would break the habit of adding annoying, distracting noise to what is really good content. Appreciate the effort, but honestly, the muzak track is just too much.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

So I use to not have music in the videos… it’s the hardest part of an editing for me. However, videos don’t perform without music. We really only make money via adsense and altho this isn’t about money, editing is a lot of work. Some videos make peanuts and so I supplement with my paycheck to pay Drew (and still, it’s less than he truly deserves). Trust me, I wish we could skip adding music as it would make editing easier, but it doesn’t work for most viewers. What we try instead is to have music and just wheeling sounds mixed together. That’s usually done on trails with more obstacles as obstacles provide sounds. Unfortunately, scenic trails like this don’t provide enough sounds that are picked up by the microphone. Hope that makes more sense. -Dewie