Colorism and Featurism in Africa

Colorism and Featurism in Africa from our experience.
This is not necessarily the experiences of other people.
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[@djidjoho166]

There really are people who don’t believe colorism and featurism exists, and that’s the crazy part. They see some curly hair, mixed light skin, european looking features and all their self hate, comes to the surface 😂 💀 SAD!

[@ThejeffJr8]

Djidjoho who doesn’t believe that? Everyone knows that

[@markaym3735]

I was raised around mostly white people. My mother went out of her way to show us beautiful black men and women and to tell us how beautiful our skin and hair were. Later she told me that the culture told us everyday in subtle ways that we were not beautiful and it was her job to fill us with good images. My sister and I have never wanted to be white and never ever thought white people were more attractive. We have to be proactive in affirming our children’s beauty and cultivate their appreciation of it because the world tells them so many negative things about themselves.

[@tinasarafinas4962]

Kmm M so well put!

[@nunyabiznys5169]

So true.

[@nunyabiznes6702]

​@JamX Williams well said🍻

[@zeea9610]

Great video! As an East African I hate the exotification or being used as a pawn to put down other African women. black women are beautiful period!!!

[@howtotieatie5845]

We don't put down them, they put down themselves.

[@lutheruler7487]

There are many west africans,blk americans,jamaicans,trinidadians, other blks who resemble east africans and east africans who resemble them we are all blk at end of day

[@laurencottle3966]

I'm a coloured girl from South Africa, so it was really interesting hearing about coloured people in Zimbabwe.

[@x-isaac3385]

I’m from somalia 🇸🇴 love my East African brothers 🇩🇯🇪🇹🇸🇴🇪🇷🙏🏾

[@KedousY]

Love from 🇪🇹

[@RenagadeGirl]

Black is Beautiful and DON'T BLEACH !!!

[@edmund6392]

Great post Tina...most people are shocked to learn that colorism exist in Africa as well. Yes to the natural hair movement! Less wigs on African queens.

[@jeredi3376]

As an East African girl (from Rwanda) living in France, I have not especially thin nose and i'm a dark-skinned Woman, I'm never seen as an East African but as a West African, and many persons think that I'm Senegalese or from neighbor countries of Senegal. And the problem is that in France and in Europe most of the time, Black African Women, and especially from West Africa, are not seen as beautiful persons and when East African are a little bit known (there is not many East African right here), there are so much preferred as West African women, because there are seen as Light skinned and with thin face features. And so, there is real ambiguous colorism because of, I think, not only what people think of Africans and especially of East Africans, but all East Africans, their different features, are not represented (in media especially).

[@ambre4144]

Quand ils disent « Afrique de l’Est » en France, ils pensent à la Corne de l’Afrique et seulement à certains phénotypes de la Somali, Éthiopie ou Érythrée. Je n’ai jamais vu quelqu’un mentionné les Ougandaises, les Tanzaniennes etc… En France la majorité des africaines sont ouestaf ou de l’Afrique Centrale et ces deux catégories sont souvent hiérarchisés aussi . Je dirai que les ouestaf sont considérés plus belles que les femmes de l’Afrique Centrale. Je suis Congolaise, Nigérienne, Centrafricaine donc je ne ressemble pas vraiment à une ethnie puisque je suis très mélangée et on m’a dit plusieurs fois que je ferai un beau mannequin parce que j’ai l’air de venir de l’Afrique de l’Est. Ça montre à quel point les femmes de l’Afrique de l’Est sont mises sur un piédestal.

[@jeredi3376]

Tu as tout dit c’est bien le problème on est tous en Afrique différents génétiquement et c’est ce qui fait notre beauté ! On ne devrait même pas se comparer vu qu’on est tous associé à des standards de beauté différents! Personnellement ayant des proches qui correspondent physiquement beaucoup plus aux idées préconçues de certaines personnes sur les est-africaines, j’ai moi même pu être témoin de ce colorisme et pretty privilège qu’ont les femmes est-africaines par rapport aux autres femmes subsahariennes

[@libredansmatete9363]

@@jeredi3376y a une hiérarchie aussi des westaf j’ai l’impression, on considère comme plus belles les peulhs justement a cause de leur traits plus fins, et certains soninke aussi

[@cacachie7220]

@@ambre4144 T'as raison. Je suis comorienne donc Afrique de l'Est aussi et j'ai pas l'impression qu'en France on est considéré comme est africain.. ou peut être je me trompe

[@1wun1]

​@@libredansmatete9363 Même l'est est hiérarchisé, seul le look Ethio Somali est apprécié. Raison pour laquelle les tutsie ont un avantage contre les congolais ou les hutu.

[@afroman6172]

The root of colorism in Africa dates back to colonialism. At the top of the hierarchy were White people then mixed blood Africans. They became part of the elite. The darker Africans were at the lowest part of the economic ladder. This has remained true even till today. It's going to take a whole lot re-education to destroy this mindset but unfortunately our leaders in Africa (I'm from Ghana and also lived in Sweden for almost 14 years) will not change until we make the change

[@ish562]

Unfortunately this is the case for most of the world, light skin at the top and dark skin at the bottom. This is the White elites war against the indigenous people of the planet whom are all darker skinned.

[@SA-dt2cd]

Colorism is a new to the world as a whole it’s sad that others would bleach while others would go into tanning beds.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

It's human nature. They do it in East Asia. They do it in South America. They do it in India. People tend to promote lighter and it goes beyond just colonialism.

[@anniee1019]

Benjamin Smith I think that’s because Britain also did rule some countries in Asia like China and India and Spain and Portugal invaded South America but your right I have heard other reasons behind colonisim why ppl want to be light like stuff to do with wealth thinking it’s better etc

[@dantatadangote4700]

Be careful when generalizing "Africa". Not all 55 countries had the same experience with colonization. So not all countries "revere" lighter skin. Experiences in Ghana are different from Cape Verde and different from Reunion or Kenya or Tunisia.

[@seekelevation]

We have been made to hate ourselves... We are all Beauty.

[@donnaoitamong3391]

I was also told that I’m not Ugandan Someone said that I am half Burundian or Kenyan Then the interest he had went away when I said that I was Ugandan for sure Though here in Uganda I live through colourism everyday It’s reached a point where if I don’t get a colourist comment it’s not been a week yet

[@cutiecutie6494]

Call them out!

[@bezawitmegra6022]

I have a somehow different thought about this video. You express annoyance about people asking you if you are from the East Africa or the horn. But I don't think that is the problem. The problem in my opinion is people making the east African look as the attractive or preferred look. It is true ( of course there are exceptions) that different parts of Africa have different looks. People from the horn (sharper features) look different from people from west Africa(rounder features). But our outrage in my opinion should NOT be focused on people associating features to parts of Africa but for people promoting eurocentric standard of beauty. Yes, people from west Africa have rounder features, but that is BEAUTIFUL as well. So i see no problem, if people ask Sauda or your sister if she was from Ethiopia or somalia or kenya because she has features of those areas, but there is a big problem in describing rounder features as " hard" or "manly". We are all beautiful in our unique ways!

[@Rubik_Bee]

Thank you that's exactly how I felt like. The fetishization of the Horn of Africa needs to stop. All women from Africa are beautiful.

[@DivineDiversity]

I loved this conversation, it was very interesting to hear about your experiences.

[@tinasarafinas4962]

Vanny MdM Vanny! ❤️

[@rasheedahsilvertreemusic]

We laugh, we cry, we weep, we create, we shit, we vomit, we write, we dance, we love, we hate, we scream, we harm, we support...WE ARE HUMAN! ...that simple really lol Love the talk

[@tinasarafinas4962]

SingingTree lol glad you liked it 😊

[@levsonsylidion2105]

That term East african or west African is a move toward unification.. actually its a political move to unite Africans by starting with the mindset of belongingness but its also used negatively as u know each action has a different reaction..so the labeling is a political move and also yes its not stereotyping but featurism kind is there because culture, geography, politics, its not a hype most take it easy as neither positive or negative

[@in.edieudonnesworld3167]

Good luck 😂

[@ashleyoliver6064]

As a Trini, it is indeed true colorism is very prevalent in Trinidad. It's so unfortunate.

[@cutiecutie6494]

Extactly it's EVERY where

[@briopalumpus8676]

all non white societies have adegree of colourism, asis, the americas the parcific, and in all black societies, both in africa and abraod.@@cutiecutie6494

[@annahr8282]

All people are beautiful regardless of color and race. I don't know why human beings love groupings,categories and divisions! Great discussion ladies!Such a treat!Keep up the videos Tina!

[@anniee1019]

Facts you don’t have to be a certain race to be beautiful everyone is beautiful in their own way you could also say though their is attractive and maybe not so attractive ppl in every race

[@cutiecutie6494]

Yeah it all starts at colonialism

[@bezawitmegra6022]

Sauda has such a beautiful spirit and energy! I want to be her friend

[@ReeRee079]

I löööved this talk! It was so interesting and i enjoyed hearing hearing your thougts about these topics. The covid-19 video and this! 🙌🏿👌🏾 ❤ keep up the good work! And ooh the hair looks amazing. Im gonna rock my fro too as soon as i take of my braids 😄

[@Xwrt532]

Hi guys, its been a while...good to see you guys doing well. I pray that you guys are keeping the faith and staying close to The Lord. Please pray without ceasing. Like seriously, pray! especially Sauda! Shalom.

[@TheAdamSmasherMultiverse]

Lol I always like East African women just in general I never read this deep into it. Fascinating

[@zeea9610]

You really should analyze why you prefer East African women. Are you exoticfying them? What about them do you like?

[@TheAdamSmasherMultiverse]

@@zeea9610 Lol I can't explain it. I just like em

[@TheAdamSmasherMultiverse]

@Baby Came Home I'm well aware. Just a preference fam

[@thephoenix756]

@@zeea9610 East Africa is large, so I don't think it's necessarily featurism unless he specified a preference for Horn African women like Ethiopians-Eritreans, Somalis, Arab Sudanese, Beja and Djibouti. South Sudanese are East Africans, so it wouldn't be festurist to prefer them.

[@luckymondyu8911]

@@thephoenix756 they have Afrocentric features 😭when ppl talk abt East African women they mean Horners 🥴

[@dreesebrownlee6]

I agree ladies, why can’t black women just be beautiful without being x,y&z. I get so tired of people black and white asking me what I’m mixed with... smh

[@talktimewitheddiej]

I don't date black girls but I would date you 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️👀 what does that mean? Then he would be dating a black girl 😂😂🤣 he's so confused.

[@dongoggine]

Lol, when someone says that you don't know if it is a compliment or an insult.

[@africanchocolate4216]

Talk Time w/Eddiej “I think he date white girls for a green card to get to USA 🇺🇸, 🇬🇧 OR EUROPE! But his pure desire and lust is on black girls 🤔, Because I always hear people say that, “If you want a green card ‘mary a white’ And if you want Good s*x and love 💖 ‘mary a black person’ 😍! They definitely know what they want but money 💴 💵 💷 💶 is their excuse 🤩! Pretty funny though 😂!

[@mayasquaw2254]

@@dongoggine Its an insult. His taking the piss on black girls in order to make her feel special.

[@RedScareClair]

"I don't really find black women attractive but I think you are " backhanded compliment lol

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Was this an Indian Trini, a Dougla Trini or an African-Trini that said this? Indian Trinis are the biggest population but the African Trinis are close in population total. Douglas are smaller but sometimes it is hard to tell them apart from African or Indian.

[@kunalmhatre1207]

One thing that you both r just gorgeous

[@Bhamwillf1]

I think Black is beautiful, too... The two of you are very beautiful!

[@Love25648]

I’m also confused both of you have big noses and big lips and dark skin lol neither of you are what people tsk about when it comes to East African obsession with some people

[@tyaler9805]

Exactly

[@abdurahmanali4374]

These girls are Bantu, they don't look like girls in the Horn of Africa.

[@adiroots]

Do you feel using the term East African is synonymous for example the way North African is used? Sauda is right "Just be yourself and you are beautiful. That's it". Good conversation ladies!

[@chelseadiakite1418]

I am west and east african (mali, burundi, rwanda) and look more like my mother who east african and I usually get confused for habesha however It’s odd how ppl glorify that on both sides of my cultures. It’s all colonialism and this has been the root of what made my people turn on each other.

[@africaine4889]

I think the when people talk about east African have western features they are talking about people from the horn of Africa and not the other eastern African country. Personally I think they are no difference between sub saharan Africans. I have traveled around Africa and I saw west Africans looking like east Africans or central African or southern African and vice versa. I was in Somali and met darker Somali look like people from drcongo. Especially people from eastern Congo.

[@jtorie1]

I agree! Most Africans look very similar from what I have observed. I've heard that all Africans originated in North/East Africa and spread out from there so maybe this is the reason for similarities.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@jtorie1 I don't think they look similar at all. I don't think it is the region, I just think their features vary from person to person. Yes, they may all have a range of brown to black skin and most, not all, have 4C hair. But features, I'm amazed at just how different people look from person to person. However, that range exists in much of Africa. However, in some areas, you have a change in the hair texture and a more aquiline type of nose and MENA head shape. You'll find that in west and East, not just East Africa. In the west you have Tauregs and some of the Fulani and in Nigeria, Shuwa Arabs. In South Africa, though, you'll get folks that are lighter in skin tone and some have epicanthic folks in their eyes due to Khoisan mixes.

[@mayasquaw2254]

They probably have Cushitic look to them hence the similarity

[@BB-qk8on]

@@jtorie1 disagree, the typical Horner looks STRIKINGLY different from someone from say, South Africa or Ghana. Completely different facial structure, noses, hair, mouth area, even the body types are different.

[@suheylaadam9584]

@Rwangolese noooop horners look different from the rest of East African countries. We all have our differences and is great to knowledge it

[@sandraatkins2539]

Beautiful ladies thank you for your beautiful message. I am very familiar with this issue among indigenous people. Frankly, I believe people throughout the beloved African continent are beautiful. ❤❤🙏🙏🙏

[@WTFVIDSok]

As a Black American woman, I notice that Africans perceive very small differences. For example, the Hutu and the Tutsi in Rwanda. The difference between them was really hard for non Africans to perceive. Also, in the US and Europe, there's so much admixture in the black population that the variety regarding skin tone and features is much greater and easier to perceive.

[@devonb882]

From a Caribbean perspective, we can tell the differences in features

[@AYOof5D]

Thank you so much for this video. It was very enlightening. Many people in the African diaspora are leaving their countries of birth and becoming repats in Africa to escape racism. However, I find it disturbing to learn that there is the same colorism and featurism in Africa like among African Americans in the United States and probably other places in the diaspora. I wish people would just learn to love themselves and others. Beauty comes in all colors, shapes, sizes and features!

[@fcbotieno]

Good Day, the term you are looking for is Cushitic/Cushite. Not "western". Cushitic features are found in the horn of the continent. Your features are original African features, just a different branch as compared to "typical" Bantu "West African". This disparity is what lead to the Rwandan Genocide, unfortunately. Featurism, like you mentioned. Where the Tutsi have a sharper longer nose and neck sometimes, compared to "typical" Bantu looking Hutu. We are the most diverse group of peoples(African/Negroid). One love. It's all African Beauty, much like yourself. Bless up!

[@ThisIsMissCheeky]

It's actually a misconception that West Africans are Bantu. Central and Southern African are mostly Bantu but West Africans, like Nigerians are not actually Bantu.

[@fcbotieno]

@@ThisIsMissCheeky I understand. What was meant in the above explanation is the combined association of "color depth" and "features" which are typical of Congolese people. Like this, many consider these physical attributes "African/West African". The above is what the world "sees" and considers "African" because of a lack of knowledge of the variation of ethnicities on the continent. So I stated that Cushitic features are African aswell, just different from "typical Bantu West African".

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Bantu is a language group, not features. Bantu look all sorts of way and some Bantu folks can have small, rounded features.

[@lolo-hp3bt]

cushitic feautures are also original african feautures

[@melanatedhistorian5390]

@@lolo-hp3bt Cushitic is a language group not a phenotype you have cuhsitic like Iraqw who look different from oromo kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYTYfnaaZbOdnKc

[@NAZZ234]

You guys are gorgeous btw 🥰

[@NAZZ234]

This is why I can’t date black guys, there’s this constant fetishization, being called east African beauty, Ethiopian queen, it’s honestly an illness lol I’m happy more people are acknowledging featurism.

[@zeea9610]

Same sis! Guys like that have self hate and I can’t fuck with that.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Do people realize there are many Ethiopian looks. I think people are thinking of Amhara or Tigray or Habesha but there's Oromo that are usually darker and also very different looking Ethiopians like Mursi and Hamar. Not all Ethiopians are that glamorous looking. Nice folks, but we need to really look at all Ethiopians.

[@mayasquaw2254]

​@@benjaminsmith2287 You should educate yourself Benjamin Oromos being darker doesn't mean they lack that look. Ethiopia does have a look the Horn in general has a look but there are minority ethnic groups who don't share that look. For Example when Kenya is mentioned they mainly show you kikuyus and the Luo. Its just a matter of what look dominate the region.

[@thephoenix756]

Are Ethiopian men not black?

[@Moran.A]

Fellow Ugandan here . I had to subscribe.

[@chellrobin1]

Great discussion ladies! We have the same issues in the USA.

[@adiroots]

Agreed. Great discussion!

[@NAprincess324]

This is crazy all African women and men are beautiful but in my opinion them damn Nigerians are the best looking! Damn they have some of the beautiful features hair textures and complexions and their smiles are magical. 😊

[@puntiteprincess251]

oki 😂😂

[@jonathankamkosibanda4225]

Ask people from East or Southern Africa and they will not agree with you

[@tyaler9805]

@@jonathankamkosibanda4225 Who cares what they think.

[@louiscreed4026]

@@tyaler9805 and to be honest looks isn't really location based it just depends on how the person looks and who they get with.

[@tyaler9805]

@@louiscreed4026 Explain further?

[@rubamann]

The East African women that I think foreigners are mostly talking about are the Horn of Africa , S/Sudan or Rwanda. People from Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Burundi have different type of look compared to those places.

[@ken-philihorimbere1167]

True, However people from Burundi and Rwanda tend to look similar to each other

[@MichouThe]

@@ken-philihorimbere1167 we are literally the same people.

[@jtorie1]

@@MichouThe you were the same nation prior to colonization, correct?

[@MichouThe]

@@jtorie1 no and yes prior to colonization we had independent kingdoms and during the colonazation we became one nation under the rule of the Germans and later the Belgians, but afterwards we got our both independence. You could say that we are like twins lol: same language, same ethnicity and almost the same culture.

[@SA-dt2cd]

East Africa was a Cushitic inhabits but that wasn’t the case until the Bantu expansion from south and central migrated to the East. They all did look alike at some point but now aren’t. Thats why you’ll find small communities who resemble the Horn such as Rwanda Kenya parts of Tanzania and Burundi etc.

[@jones2277]

"hard features"? never heard that term before.

[@louiscreed4026]

😄😄I know right? that's their way of trying to describe prominent cheek bones flat chin s shaped eyebrows with crease lines in between the eyebrows.

[@zolanidingaan2511]

West Africa has diverse looks, like bantu east Africa. East African bantu is a mix of southern cushites from great lakes, nilotics and bantu from central Africa. Southern Africans are migrates from great lakes and central Africa, mixed with khoisan types, so physical features are diverse. Black Africa has very diverse looks. Like all regions. With east African bantu speakers, the south cushites who were inhabitants before arrival of bantu farmers from central Africa can be seen 8n some people, same as khoisan ancestry in nguni and tswana in southern Africa.

[@meskermwondimu2802]

kush only 🇪🇹 🇪🇷 🇸🇩 🇸🇴

[@RR-ri4vn]

Nilotic people are not Bantus Nilotic also live in Kenya Tanzania Uganda and Tutsi are not Bantus either Tutsi also live in Kenya Tanzania Uganda

[@RR-ri4vn]

Relax Bantus are not a majority in east Africa their are Tutsi and Nilotic people in millions together they outnumber Bantus so relax

[@RR-ri4vn]

@@meskermwondimu2802 Nubians are northern Sudan 🇸🇩 only Horn of Africa are not kush or Nubians

[@RR-ri4vn]

Bantus are not the majority in east Africa Nilotic and Tutsi are the majority secondly Bantus are not native to east Africa or Southern Africa Bantus are from Congo in central Africa Tutsi are the majority in east Africa Nilotic and Tutsi together are the majority Bantus are not indigenous to east Africa or Southern Africa do your history

[@Melanie-icywynterr1]

Omg thank you for that this is so eye opening..

[@matthewmann8969]

It is weird Khoisans are often lighter skinned then Bantus yet the Bantus usually treat them as inferior the same goes for the Pygmies that are often lighter skinned too

[@puntiteprincess251]

yet, they cry when they get the same treatment they give to the khoisan and the pygmies.🤓🤓

[@RR-ri4vn]

Bantus are not the majority in east Africa the Tutsi and Nilotic people are the majority in east Africa

[@RR-ri4vn]

@@puntiteprincess251 Bantus are not really the majority the Nilotic and Tutsi live in Uganda Tanzania Kenya Bantus are really not the majority in east Africa and they are not the majority

[@1wun1]

Beauty standards are a power tool, people wanna look like the powerful (for example colonizers) or whoever the powerful dates. And pygmies aren't lighter skinned, they resemble Bantu but shorter.

[@HillaryBe]

You are both beautiful AND I hope you can see how your own featurism shows up in this video when you re-watch it, as others have pointed out. I think you went in with one intention but ended up falling into the same featurist trap as those you sought out to criticize. “Hard features” is not a thing. That’s racism and white supremacy talking.

[@akodiaemmanuel6157]

Exactly my thoughts - I actually got upset listening to this video as they kept on rumbling. A lot of ignorance about the topic

[@mushtaqhassan3705]

the other girl corrected her later.

[@HairofHeritage]

Sauda!!! Love how you said Souf Africa 😉 More vids like this! Love seeing you ladies 💕

[@jtorie1]

Great topic! Unless a person is Habesha or maybe Oromo it is difficult for me to tell where in Africa they are from. I wouldn't know if you ladies were from north, south, east or west Africa if not for your channel lol! Oddly I have been mistaken as Ethiopian, Somali, or Maasai and I'm African American!

[@unmask7759]

@@DaniellaGx oromos are NOT habesha WTF

[@unmask7759]

@@DaniellaGx no im habesha and oromo are not habesha. Only 2 groups make up the habesha people and they are Amhara and Tigray ethnic group. The Oromo people do not like habesha people.Some time ago they kidnapped female students because they were habesha if I'm not mistaken. There is a tension between these two ethnic groups in Ethiopia.and oromo people make up only 37% percent not 50% (Sorry for my english)

[@mayasquaw2254]

@@DaniellaGx Only the semetic speaking Ethiopians are habesha. The whole of the Horn claim themselves as Cushitic.

[@unmask7759]

@@DaniellaGx I have no problems with oromo Identify themselves as habesha I didn't know there was such a thing And being the biggest ethnic group doesn't mean that you are 50% percent or the majority.

[@jtorie1]

Oh ok I'd never heard that Oromo and Habesha are one and the same, but have heard that Oromo make up the majority of the population and are the original inhabitants.

[@howtotieatie5845]

I am Eritrean, from East Africa, I always believe we are the most beautiful people on earth.

[@wewillrise8550]

THANK YOU! SO MUCH BEAUTIFUL LADIES. YOU BOTH ARE SO SMART AND DOWN TO EARTH. I LOVE WHAT YOU BOTH JUST SHARED ON LIVING IN TANZANIA. I WILL BE WATCHING MUCH MORE OF YOU. AND FAR AS FOR PLANNING, HOW MUCH MONEY SHOULD YOU HAVE? BUT I WILL ORGANIZE MY QUESTIONS BETTER LATER AND GET BACK WITH YOU. 🍃🌺🌱🌼

[@dstdst5988]

So like if l may ask so Bantu people from Tanzania, kenya and Uganda look bantu but they have different features from other bantus from other regions or is it just a select few or certain tribes in those countries please I'm asking from a good place don't take this the wrong way I'm just interested in Africa's diversity that's all.

[@UsikuA]

Small nose, lips, straight hair, blue eyes are all African features first that existed when only Africans existed. These features are not western or European. Africans are the genetic seed.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Blue eyes are an illness in Africa. Green eyes are OK.

[@cutiecutie6494]

@@benjaminsmith2287 why

[@cutiecutie6494]

Yeah but colonialism told us they where white features and they were more beautiful then other features

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@cutiecutie6494 It's called Waardenburg syndrome and it can affect hearing.

[@EnteleiEchein]

if these are all black features, is white skin also a black feature?

[@zolanidingaan2511]

East African look will be those who have southern cushitic ancestry, due to mixing in great lakes region, those around the great lakes region.

[@MichouThe]

Would you consider yourself light or dark skin. Im literally similar to your guys complexion and i would consider myself mid to dark skin.

[@tinasarafinas4962]

Michou Gakuba Same, mid to dark skin

[@sumayyahh2]

Michou Gakuba mid to dark? Bro you’re making it more complicated than it actually is. You’re just darkskin

[@MichouThe]

@@sumayyahh2 It is really relative okaay so calme de toi. When I visited my motherland Rwanda, some people called me light skinned eventough I though it wasnt the case. And it is important because people ( sadly) will act differently towards you solely on your skin color and know your privilege.

[@georgettew2337]

Why does it matter?

[@jeredi3376]

So I think you can consider yourself as brown skin person, not light skinned but not dark skinned too

[@KnijMagz]

NOTE: THIS IS A LONG BUT THOUGHT PROVOKING POST, PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING! THANKS 😇💚 I think this discussion is on to something for sure. As young Black American man i have noticed how colorism and featurism shapes our "intraracial" beauty standards (especially/ primarily for women). Ever notice how Black men for the most part are allowed to have West African (more round and broad) features and be dark skinned (& be considered attractive) but women are expected to have some level of "Exoticness" to them... Defining exotic as it relates to the black community in America: ..... Exoticness on women can be described as when a black woman exhibits a preferred set of features not typically seen on black women-- in some cases these features can even be non black features on a black woman. For example, having light skin--not having lighter brown or milk chocolate skin rather the deep skin but habing peanut butter, beige, or light tan reddish skin. Having keen (or sharp features like horn african features) which in the US resembles European features to a degree. Having loose curly hair or hair that shows a curl pattern rather than 4c hair. Having at least one of these features makes a black woman "prettier, better, or more exotic" than the next black woman per society's point of view. The problem with this is it creates an image of Black women that really does not exist on a grand scale. Women who naturally exhibit 1 or more of these features tend to A) be mixed race or have some sort on non black DNA or B) women who change themselves to be in these descriptions via cosmetic "enhancements" ie buying color contacts, wearing a texture of hair that isnt natural, wearing desire altering makup, or even bleaching their skin. How (certain) women of the Horn of Africa are looked at in America (via the Black community's perspective): ..... Like you both touched on, more Black people globally are moving toward wearing their hair naturally, embracing their features, not worrying about their skin tone, etc. However, in an effort to appeal to that some people in media want to hire, showcase, or praise more beautiful Black american + african women. The issue here is that West African (unambiguous) black features especially on women are not fully embraced yet. So the media, rappers, or beauty campaigns turn to woman who are not mixed race necessarily but black, exhibit "desirable" features naturally, and look more "exotic". This translates to praising, hyping up, or exotifying Horn African Women. Think about that....love the video ladies. Hope my post was read fully!

[@RAH-rd8ku]

@Tina Sarafina I'm from Trinidad and Tobago did you have a good time there?

[@tinasarafinas4962]

RAH I had an amazing time! Was there during carnival 😊

[@akikiaovie]

And Zimbabwe is the most educated African country that’s the legacy Robert Mugabe

[@rubamann]

What? You need some exposure.

[@africanchocolate4216]

Very nice and interesting 🤩👍🏾

[@azizaleem7940]

Greats video Queens. Divide and Conquer has been the key to keep us from uniting. Black is Beautiful

[@CutCreator919]

It is so interesting how brown people around the world have so many different experiences. You’re so beautiful and upon first glance you look familiar but once I listen to your point of view I realize that I have so much to learn. #MuchLove

[@brittanyhinton2892]

Hello, I want my children and me to take a trip to Tanzania next year, in 2021. Do you know of any reputable tour guides in Tanzania?..or do you provide tours yourself?

[@cutiecutie6494]

You can look on google!

[@fcafricanunion9915]

nilotes came from east africa they are dark than west african

[@WoodyDinosaur21]

I’m west African and Arab am dark but benefit from featurism and texturism & have been called an honorary lightskin 💀. East Africans have small features but Arabs have big features.

[@jm876]

I guess this only applies for Europeans/ African blacks bc Americans don’t really compare east and west Africans

[@beproud5447]

Americans are the ones who started this whole shit.

[@jm-je4tl]

What's your guest's name?

[@stayalert7060]

Lol dark skin black women are also very colorist towards lightskin guys. Crying colorism when you're colorist yourselves is ridiculous 😂😂

[@anniee1019]

That’s lowkey true

[@AyakWolROSS]

Right !!! isn't saying you prefer darker skinned black man over light skinned man low-key colonist as well ???

[@nastehoosman7680]

Wait what I never heard of that before.

[@nastehoosman7680]

@@anniee1019 can you explain

[@booboobunny5655]

Not me, I prefer light skin guys. 😅

[@louiscreed4026]

and to be honest thin nose/lips isn't actually a albino trait it's just common with them because they watched who they got with and arranged marriages that's how they preserved🏦 the look but not all of them actually have this.

[@benmulongo1125]

I do not agree with you. Nobody said that east Africans are the only beautiful people, in fact that is not true. However Ethiopian and Eritreaan are very different from other Africans, that is a fact. Because Ethiopian and Eritreaan has a long history with Arabs and Jews therefore they look different. Saying that you look different do not make you better or worse, it is just a fact. Ethiopian and Eritreaan do not look like other Africans, it is just a fact. As Tunisian, libyan etc look different. It is just a fact. However, I agree with you on the colorism part. In fact personally I think central Africa rocks it. But all africans rock it as well.

[@flowerchild5230]

no most Ethiopians and eritians look like other Africans on the continent. the one's that they show as the face of there country is very mixed. that's a fact.

[@mushtaqhassan3705]

that weird beacuse somali is not mixed with arabs or jews but we still look like you guys somehow. Even when we look at hair type somalis tend to not have afro hair but ethopians and eritreans do. So what is your explation. Arabs and jews dont even have the same noses as ethopians and eritirians nor the same look. Lets be honest both ethopians and eritireans feautur is african featur. Stop with this nonsens

[@suheylaadam9584]

@@mushtaqhassan3705 I agreee with you 😮

[@RR-ri4vn]

They not mixed with Arabs or Jews secondly Bantus are not indigenous to east Africa secondly Tutsi peoples and Nilotic are the majority in east Africa and they also look different

[@benmulongo1125]

@@RR-ri4vn You don't know what you are talking about. Ethiopia and a big part of Yemen was together in a unified kingdom (Kingdom of Aksum - look it up) and there have been migrations between Israel, Egypt and the northern and Eastern part of Africa throughout history. Tusti people who in majority live in Rwanda today and Ethiopian/Eritrean do not look the same. Yes, Ethiopia and Eritrean are most likely mixed due to all migrations and exchanges that have been taking place in that part Africa. Can you explain to me why in their majority all the northern African countries are Muslim? Do you think they just become Muslim because they were enlighted one day by Allah? Or because there is a simple historical reason. Muslims/Arabs salesmans and slave owners have been navigating and settling in those northern part and have been spreading their religion throughout centuries.

[@lailayas]

Its sad that people only have preferences for HORN AFRICAN women. Never women from Tanzania or Uganda because they look very West African :(

[@thephoenix756]

South Sudanese models are killing it now and they're not from the Horn.

[@lailayas]

@@thephoenix756 yeah I love to see it! I still want some Ugandan or Tanzanian representation

[@thephoenix756]

@@lailayas There are plenty of Ugandan and Tanzanian women that could be taking the industry by storm right now, so I don't know why there is this fixation on South Sudanese models. We need to create our own fashion-modelling industry and showcase the beauty of black Africa as a whole.

[@lailayas]

@@thephoenix756 exactly!!! you put it into words sis

[@thephoenix756]

@@lailayas I'm sorry, but I should have made it clear that I am in fact a bro.

[@michiga5220]

Well the natives of east africa are cushitic (purest is somalis) Uganda had a cushitic populations your migrating bantu ancestors mixed with. If your Tanzanian check the iraqw they are last native cushitic people that live there that were only natives

[@RR-ri4vn]

Nilotic are the majority in Uganda not Bantus

[@jackiemag5171]

People: You have an accent are you from England ? Where are you from ? Me: Tanzania and Sweden People: Oooh Sweden! Wow! That is why you have an accent when speaking. You sound British! Me: Brits don't sound like me nor do Swedish people. I sound the way I sound because each language I speak has an accent. Lol

[@HoodsGlobal]

Great topic and discussion, ladies. I am Nigerian, however, my paternal ancestry dna is east African, 50,000 yrs ago. What are my, really?

[@beproud5447]

you are pure Nigerian,50,000 yrs ago is a very long time, there is no trace of east African in you besides the gens ill say.

[@HoodsGlobal]

@@beproud5447 The gene is what I am made of. Long story short, we all originated from the Rift Valley in East Africa. I am happy that my genes can validate it.

[@cutiecutie6494]

Migration

[@allyson4483]

You’re definitely Nigerian but everyone’s DNA is likely to come from somewhere around East Africa bc that’s where humans came from

[@HoodsGlobal]

@@allyson4483 Maybe I am not Nigerian as Nigerian was a British construct just like Kenya..

[@louiscreed4026]

I see what you both mean, the reason why people that have such hard time seeing individuals like you as you are is because they don't know enough about looks and genetics and don't understand what traits the children will inherit and how common some traits will be and how rare some will be depending on who they get with but it's because many people often don't watch who they get with that turn traits so common that they mistake those traits for authentic but in why in Africa's case the reason they thought of other place's when they saw you was because of everybody where they live commonly look and some who learn about Africa's other regions will often times see individuals who look like them and assume that this is what everyone looks like unless its further east but overall I can understand why its perplexing to see somebody from the same place as them who looks different because many don't of the Fulani and namadi tribe or the Dravidians of India🌏 and the australia islanders🌐.

[@Jsankofa1]

2 beautiful Queens. Love you ladies. Well spoken and smart. Any man would be blessed to marry you one day.

[@cutiecutie6494]

Their two very lovely ladies who are bound to be successful

[@rubamann]

TinaSarafina, ukiwa tayari kutengeneza a little TinaSarafina nitonye.

[@CarpeDiem1983]

First comment here :D

[@stefanlofven1063]

Kazamaaa

[@jeredi3376]

Love your video girls !

[@taelove9830]

seems like you were praising your features more than anything. A better dialogue is need.

[@FairyTooth-jf4ol]

It is her self deprecation. She really believes her features are close to a white person. My husband is white, and he wouldn't see the difference between her and any other black person. White people love themselves. You don't see them sitting around talking about their skin color and features, do you? But black people are some serious self haters. Black people are some traumatized people. So, instead of throwing off the yolk of colonialism, they continue to embrace it. I feel sorry for them. Pathetic!

[@ATrainTravels]

Thumbs up on the video ladies! :) Like#150

[@RedScareClair]

Ah humans. That's all you can say lol

[@cutiecutie6494]

Yeah, all hurt by history in some way

[@MichouThe]

you definitely could pass a Rwandese tho lol

[@mysticintraining7129]

two good looking sisters

[@theturkanabus3610]

West African faces are fleshier, on average. Their cheekbones don't stand out and their faces are round. East African have less fleshier faces that are more rectangular Kenya, being between Ethiopia and Tanzania, has plenty of both faces This isn't to say all West or East Africans fit the stereotypes I outlined but it would be false to pretend that all Africans look alike.

[@akikiaovie]

theTurkanaBus correct

[@soraya.e5482]

All I know is most Habessha people have a huge four head it never fails I always get it right 😂🤣🤣🤣 the rest is a hit or miss

[@janekoko3736]

Even kids from same parents don’t always look alike

[@theturkanabus3610]

@@janekoko3736 rarely are they so different that they lose even the face shape

[@mayasquaw2254]

Of course Africans aren't monolith. Every region have their own unique look.

[@akikiaovie]

Ugandan??? Thought she was Zimbabwean 😱

[@nkunkomazana4440]

Chiedza thus Zimbabwean,from her accent I can tell she has Zimbabwean ancestry

[@Flourish_today]

I also thought so. She was probably raised in Zimbabwe or born there.

[@aliciamomat7963]

Lol what is hard face ?🤣🤣🤣

[@louiscreed4026]

to them its someone with prominent cheekbones or a flat chin s shaped or steeply angled eyebrows with crease lines between them.

[@kausarfuad343]

East African🥰

[@pipibrasci823]

Why u still single chocolatey? Don't mind us getting to know each other

[@scribblerofdreams]

🤦‍♀️🙄😒

[@cutiecutie6494]

The fact you can only take this from this informative video is so sad. Your "chocolaty" comment is so desperate....keep to yourself