Colossus and Juggernaut Cannot Do This in Marvel vs Capcom 2 Comparison Video Guide

Colossus and Juggernaut had unique grabs in XMen Children of the Atom COTA.
These were later removed from future games. Special Ground Throw Breakdown Guide.
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[@AcidGlow]

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[@ElToland]

I miss Juggernaut's victory pose in MSH where he grabs his KO'd opponent and laughs in their face, it looks cool and fits him really well xD

[@tehshingen]

That moment of anticipation when he walks up, is he gonna stomp or MUHAHAHAHA?

[@michaeljefferson7316]

Right I remember that changed it too I am unstoppable on mvc2

[@GaidenDS10]

Later installments kinda made him a goofball, I mean that stomp he always do is too cartoonish to a point he’s always mad or something.

[@DarkOverlord96]

This is one of the reasons why I prefer the older games to MVC2, they just had these little things that could only work in smaller games with smaller rosters, like Rogue's ability steal.

[@EddyGordo21]

I feel like they could have done Rogue's steal move, but were just being lazy.

[@shishioh]

And better animation

[@Darknight0681]

The problem with MvC2 was both mainly Dreamcast RAM, and CPS2 ROM limits from before that cut animations beforehand. Most characters from before had their MvC and MvSF animation cuts left intact with a few exceptions. Characters from before those games had unique scalebacks made to them just for MvC2. Sentinel is one of the most obvious scalebacks. Apparently there was no way to have 3v3 battles like that without violating the RAM somewhere. It’s probably also why the backgrounds are 3D generated. It would also explain how pixelated Abyss’s third form is. The game still animates good, but it’s just obvious they had to do some things to make this work.

[@Darknight0681]

They would’ve needed unique animation for all three of the characters Rogue could steal from if they did it that way. Spiral’s super was reduced to one frame per Marvel character for this reason too. Colossus kept his spin grab, but you notice the way it looks compared to COTA is very simplified. Silver Samurai losing the effects on his sword and also losing the illusion split (same with Psylocke ninjutsu) was probably due to performance, as the game CAN slow down quite frequently. Hell no character has shadows on supers anymore.

[@Toxicitymaxed]

They still could have used the unique animations for Rogue's stolen moves, but kept the stat increases when draining characters where it wouldn't make sense. What could she gain from kissing robots like Mega Man and Sentinel other than energy?

[@clarencegutsy7309]

Juggernaut's command grab thing in XvSF where he literally pounds you into the ground like you're a Loony Toons character is one of the best animations and it's criminal it was cut in MvC2.

[@gm9984]

I can't wait to play xmen vs street fighter again in the new collection comin out soon

[@magnificent10304]

100% agree

[@uptowndanram6753]

Children of the Atom, Marvel Super Heroes and X-Men Vs. Street Fighter were arguably the most animation-heavy CPS2 games. Every installment of the MvC franchise after that experienced animation cuts in some form. That's why they still look great almost 30 years later.

[@gelapxjinkuro]

3:25 looks like Juggernaut being a waiter carrying a fine meal to be served 😂

[@AcidGlow]

🥴🥴

[@RichterBelmont2235]

Psylocke is indeed, a very fine meal. 🥰

[@AcidGlow]

@@RichterBelmont2235 😆

[@marcusbullock630]

*Omega Au gratin*

[@solouno2280]

​@@RichterBelmont2235tall and busty. Heck I can't wait to discard her ugly boots

[@edfreak9001]

i kinda love Juggernaut just naturally spawning steel beams in other stages so he can do his stage gimmick

[@DAIGREONZero]

Damn, half a lifebar off a single hit

[@AcidGlow]

powerup animation is when you get free hits on him. Then grabbing the bar is actually really hard because the position has to be exactly perfect. It's not that easy. Then getting a hit. That's alot of work when people are dashing in constantly to land a combo on you.

[@jayflores3947]

Has to be realistic 😂

[@AcidGlow]

@@jayflores3947 😎😎

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

that's MAHVEL son.

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

Grab OTGs are goated. Daimon from Kof is the king of this shit. Also the Liefeld tier chest on that colossus sprite is amazing.

[@zedek_]

COTA was so fucking cool

[@GoTenDu]

I had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA of any of this! And it's FREAKING AWESOME!!!

[@ChakraOver9k]

They nerfed the crap out of blackheart in Mvc2 too. Marvel super heros and X-Men vs SF had the best versions of juggernaut

[@LeeONardo]

COTA was a very experimental game, it is as far as I know the only fighter to have ground dizzy states with unique animations. Also the sheer amount of animation frames in the game were incredible, from MSH onwards they reduced them for the COTA cast and did the lesser amount for each newcomer. COTA's fantastic.

[@geebeepman]

I could almost feel omega red's legs getting utterly obliterated from that powered up down heavy kick from juggy. 💀♿♿

[@DooDoo-f4v]

😂😂😂 About to change his name to Omega Roll

[@MisterTwit]

Another thing about Colossus: he can set up a safer OTG grab by stunning the opponent with f+HP, which causes a special grounded stun (this only exists in CotA, no other character has been able to do it since then)

[@InfinityVenom]

In MSH Hulk can grab debris from the ground and throw it is also exclusive to that game

[@AcidGlow]

Yup I made a video of that already along with Hulk

[@BBHood217]

I wonder if they also wanted to have Hulk do otg throws, but then they decided that MSH shouldn't have otg throws and repurposed his move to throw debris instead.

[@paubalid7897]

forget the throw, a single juggernaut sweep while powered up dealt so much damage

[@AcidGlow]

😁😁😁

[@BOMBON187]

2:05 Juggernaut carrying Omega like he's delivering pizza.

[@solouno2280]

I knew i wasn't crazy when i said that Haggar played as both colossus and juggernaut in 3

[@nameless13MUGEN_xiii]

I remember Juggernaut had a grab move in X-Men vs Street Fighter where he would bash you into the ground that was borderline useless because of how hard it was to land and how his normal grab having quick recover frames to do a follow up attack which this move didn't which is possibly why it was removed in mvc2

[@kraken5003]

COTA's music gives me major MMX vibes

[@eljugadorescaldenc4002]

Man I have recognized every song you used. True Capcom lover.

[@pseudohippie55]

The thumbnail makes it look like Juggernaut is making sure Psylocke is ok. He's a sensitive soul lmao

[@AcidGlow]

😏 😏

[@AlexIn_ThaCosmos89]

When Juggernaut grabs the steel beam, that reminds me of Aganos from Killer Instinct Aganos is like the Juggernaut of Killer Instinct

[@StarForceBelmont321]

Dude that thumbnail looks like Juggernaut wants unconsenting 2nd Base. 😂

[@ZX-Gear]

Yeaaaahhhh. It's the Juggernaut,bitch!!!!

[@VerdeMorte]

*"THAT'S WHAT WE CALL EXTRA DAMAGE!"*

[@StarForceBelmont321]

@@VerdeMorte LOL that sounds familiar

[@VerdeMorte]

@@StarForceBelmont321 Newgrounds

[@FingerBreakerWu]

Cyclops could also bounce throw into his Genesplice, but that got taken out as well…

[@dreddy_g]

For Colossus, I believe they also removed (in MvC2) the suplex throw from COTA (Forward + Hard punch) that you can turn into a launcher (when the enemy is grabbed, press Back + Hard punch).

[@marccaselle8108]

I had no idea collosus could grab a person off the ground.

[@darkseidomega2585]

Colossus on CotA was a beast I'm glad the game gonna return.

[@YouGuessIGuess]

It bums me out that they couldn't figure a way to preserve these mechanics in MvC2. Colossus and Juggernaut are still fun in those games but they don't feel like the best versions of themselves. At the very least they could have made the steel beam an install super for Juggernaut. Imagine whacking one of the airdash runaway characters with that.

[@ClexYoshi]

damn, imagine losing 50% from a full-screen normal. XD

[@magnificent10304]

Even the block chip damage was a lot

[@CMCAdvanced]

I've played Guilty Gear Strive before, yes

[@VenusHeadTrap2]

I’m gonna use that “hey baby, wanna see my deleted move?”

[@ashemabahumat4173]

Ik it's unlikely to ever happen, but I hope they expand the moveset of some character in the Collection

[@mappybc6097]

Already confirmed it's the og arcade rom.

[@striderhanzo]

So much detail was lost in later games. Glad to see this gem have its moment in all of its glory when the mvc collection comes out.

[@LeFugitifd]

I miss Rouge's powers, I know would be hard to put, but they could repeat a lot of powers like Wolverine and sabertooth give the same thing

[@smartinez281]

God I love Omegas stage in cota.

[@davonmanigault2451]

I love Juggernaut just grabbing and holding you like a freaking pizza lol

[@kingdavid7516]

great content, subscribed!

[@AcidGlow]

thanks. more on the way

[@DarkKnightBatman420]

I think along the way to mvc2 Juggernaut also lost a line of dialogue or a victory pose. I felt like it was disappointing that all of the mvc characters couldn't be the best version of themselves. It was something so minor, not even a fighting mechanic, but it bothered me and I can't remember what it is. This minor detail is why I tended to start choosing Hulk over Juggernaut.

[@samonlingboy4408]

To be fair mvc2 was a big game at the time fitting all 56 characters with 3v3 tag team fighting it was a lot for the console to process so cuts had to be made

[@killerb255]

@@samonlingboy4408MvC2 was in arcades before console ports were made.

[@samonlingboy4408]

@@killerb255 ik that but even then cuts still were made to the arcade port

[@ericmainez8773]

Cant wait for this collection

[@KnightlyBrosGaming]

Damn, that's super cool! Reminds me of Geese Howard.

[@D-vb]

Grounded grab reminds me of Beowulf from Skullgirls.

[@TexasHollowEarth]

Geese Howard approves. "Predictabo"!

[@khaled15286]

2:03 oh great Juggernaut the restuarant waiter

[@onaled515]

Man I forgot all about those grabs. I remember the Juggernaut grabbing objects in MSH. I hate the removed the anti air grab from Juggernaut in MvC 2 where he pounds them in the ground. Hulk could do the same grab in MSH but rip up the floor and throw it.

[@BBHood217]

I think Sentinel could also otg throw in COTA.

[@tokyobassist]

Why's my boy Omega Red gotta play with his nipples like that in Juggernaut's hands lmao?

[@DooDoo-f4v]

Huh never played nor saw much of this game sadly growing up, but as a Potemkin enjoyer these two look crazy fun!

[@chengfu7063]

This is very good and this is what it's all about in Capcom needs to stop messing around and release this collection already excellent man

[@truebiggirllover9301]

What about Colosus's "Knee Hop Combo"? Medium Kick, Weak Punch, ⬇️, Weak Kick, Medium Punch (Anakaris Curse). Omega Red does a taunt to this combo also.

[@thunderlightning1980]

There was even Psylocke who has cut animations when she made it to MvC2.

[@gtrman128]

I was a bit disappointed they took out Spideys extended web throw from Marvel SH vs SF!!!

[@shadowopsairman1583]

1 of the special throws is totally different for Colossus in MVC2 compared to XMCotA, XMvSF, MvSF

[@anispidey]

Didn't Colossus have a passive ability where he did chip damage against characters blocking?

[@Slayerthecrow]

Wondering how much would these moves change their place in the tier list of MvsC2.

[@paulsmith5684]

I just wish that they kept all these moves for the Both of them.

[@HawkBreland]

Juggernaut with the Samurai Shodown damage

[@magnificent10304]

U could also run with Colossus while holdin an do a run an smash, if i remeber correctly

[@Kos4Evr]

They also nerfed Rogue from MvC1 to MvC2

[@jeffreyrosal7757]

Imagine being hit by that i beam

[@deviantknight7009]

Marvel vs Capcom 4 needs to go back to beautiful 2D art with each character getting as much detail as the characters from COTA got

[@monosophy691]

Man I wish but its just so expensive. Hopefully theyll at least go for an art style that isnt genuinely just intensely ugly next time. Street fighter 6 looks nice enough

[@Magnet_Chaos]

​@@monosophy691 I'm not sure. I don't want to see Viewtiful Joe rendered in the SF6 style.

[@monosophy691]

@@Magnet_Chaos i dont think they should use sf6's art style. I just think it looking nicer than 5 and more neutral in color palette than 4 means they could probably make a new marvel vs capcom game that doesnt look muddy.

[@fireflocs]

They should. They won't.

[@jarrodgoforth1257]

I don’t want it in 3d

[@LordHollow]

They took away all their fun stuff. Spiral was a menace in than game.

[@kado-2323]

1:32 Does anyone know what song is playing here?

[@GokuMcDuck]

That thumbnail.

[@Zatra]

recien me entero de esos movimientos xd Psylocke para llevar 🥵🥵

[@Opre010]

Why did this content was cutted in MvsC2, as well as Sentinel's?

[@thunderlightning1980]

They cut Blackhearts Inferno elements.

[@elvistwatty]

Hulk had a 3x down and punch move in MSH. But never again it seems?

[@AcidGlow]

@@elvistwatty I made a video about that already. Yes

[@theotherjared9824]

Everyone gets 2 frames of animation. How else will we fit bone wolverine in there?

[@ShinilosNunes]

[1:32] Name music?

[@DerrickJLarson]

COTA, Children of the Atom.

[@jotakux7489]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@dfanghyral2412]

Colossus also lost his giant swing grab didn't he? I don't remember lol

[@AcidGlow]

The one where he holds you, spins you around and tosses you?

[@dfanghyral2412]

@AcidGlow did a dash forward and yeah spun until he threw you

[@AcidGlow]

@@dfanghyral2412 He still has that in Marvel vs Capcom 2. It's one of his 2 moves, the other one is the shoulder dash.

[@shishioh]

He still has it, but it looks cheaply animated now.

[@Darknight0681]

@@shishiohno doubt because they probably didn’t have the animations for EVERY character to make it look the way it does on COTA. That and this also saves on RAM.

[@espiothechameleon573]

Sentinel could, too.

[@albireotheredguard1599]

Too op!

[@AcidGlow]

both or just 1 ? 😁

[@albireotheredguard1599]

​@@AcidGlowBoth, thank God the Juggernaut can't hit with the beam while grabbing you because then he'd be banned in tournaments if he already isn't!

[@sheeeshwater1855]

Did you know you can play as goro in the gameboy version of mk1 making goro the first playable boss in a fighting game

[@LeeONardo]

Wouldn't that just be the Shadaloo kings in Champion Edition as the first playable boss(es)?

[@sheeeshwater1855]

@@LeeONardo or would it be mr karate from aof1?

[@LeeONardo]

@@sheeeshwater1855 AOF1 - Sept 1992. SF2 Champ - March 1992.

[@sheeeshwater1855]

@@LeeONardo so sf2 champion edition. cool

[@nerdstudent8852]

Juggernaut will be OP af 😅

[@AcidGlow]

Unstoppable!!!

[@swayvacious1]

Cap can’t do his move either, after throw u can go into Stars and Stripes and final justice… I was banned from tournaments bcuz of that move🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@O.G.Ashtre]

I Hate Omega Reds Theme