Combat Patrol boxes are getting worse | Warhammer 40k

The new combat patrols are....different, but are they getting worse?
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We go through each of the new Warhammer 40,000 Combat Patrols and compare them to the outgoing ones to see if there is an overall trend of the combat patrol boxes getting worse
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[@alexscholz3438]

I really love Poorhammer's "Building Better Combat Patrols" series, because it goes to show just how good some new combat patrols could be. I don't have hope that it'll turn out for the better, but one can dream

[@the_kieran_show]

Yes yes yes, I've been loving those! The Thousand Sons one they did was my favourite.

[@pauledwards9493]

The shock I got at my local GW recently when I seen the CPs are now £100. Made me sick

[@the_kieran_show]

Stonks 🥲🥲

[@deffkon_c1242]

I mean that's crazy, I got the Land Raider, Raptors, Terminators for £50 I'm near sure back when Dark Vengeance (DA vs CS) was the starter 😮 damn I'm old lol.

[@baelGIGAN]

“Haaaank, Haaaaank! Don’t abbreviate cyberpunk Haaaank!”

[@deffkon_c1242]

@@baelGIGAN Dark Angel's and Crimson Slaughter tho that chapter is long forgotten now I imagine. Pretty cool lore with the ghosts haunting them tho! I've not played Cyberpunk so this could be a swing and a miss lol

[@86Corvus]

Keep buying paypiggy

[@dratesdragetes777]

Combat patrols cost pretty much the same as battleforces did a few years back here in the us.

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah I bet!

[@BeckettBaladas]

and half of them contain about as much in points as "Start Collecting" Boxes used to have xD

[@86Corvus]

Keep buying paypiggy

[@ronantheronin3521]

Can't wait for the new Drukhari combat patrol with a Succubus, 10 wyches, a venom, 10 hellions and 5 scourges!

[@the_kieran_show]

Oh you just know it'll be Wych cult heavy 😂

[@GloomspiteNoob]

GW charging more for less product whilst posting profits is certainly a bold strategy.

[@the_kieran_show]

Let's see if it works for them 👀

[@starslayer2438]

"Stupid War of the Worlds walker." "I hate the Dunecrawler." Wow, our tastes are wastly different. Those are some of the best models in their armies. "Ghostkeel is peak Tau suit!" Good opinion. I will forgive your previous transgressions. ;-P

[@the_kieran_show]

😂😂 we just can't get on board with ad mech. Make them chaos and we're in.

[@desertwynd30]

I do love combat patrols. The games dont take as long and my kids get invested in it. Plus, the painting isn't as daunting.

[@the_kieran_show]

Absolutely right on all accounts. I think CP and boarding actions are the best way to play 40k tbh.

[@ChaseDaOrk3767]

If I may ask, anyone got any spare bits they wouldn't mind getting rid of? Namely I'm interested in either Orks or Chaos Space Marines but anything would be fine

[@egnaroelprup]

​@ChaseDaOrk3767 ask around your local game store friend, failing that, "bits/bitz" websites, failing that, ebay

[@Dram1984]

@@the_kieran_show i just wish combat patrol was more flexible. My dream format is basically balanced 500pt games.

[@Believer1980]

I think GW are moving them from being the cheap Getting Started boxes they used to be to just being focused and "balanced" for the Combat Patrol/Spearhead mode of play. That and the buggers are just getting greedy. You would think after 200 million squid minimum profit, they could hold up on the price hikes and give us back proper getting started faction boxes again.

[@the_kieran_show]

How many stonks is enough stonks for a conglomerate? 😂

[@jcoe371]

What annoys me more potentially than them just getting worse is the that most (all?) have a character that can't join any of the units that come with it, space marine had 2 terminator characters but you can only join one at a time to the terminators, nids have the prime, the gravis captain in dark angles etc etc

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah it's driven us nuts aswell tbh. Proper weird set up l

[@jonathankuneli3463]

You're crazy if you think the new dark angels is good. You can get 20 space Marines in almost any way possible. Like it's terrible.

[@the_kieran_show]

RIGHT?!

[@manapause]

CPs were already crap compared to start collecting. Now at 100 quid they have only 20%discount on separate kits, but often with the etb versions!

[@the_kieran_show]

Hard to disagree tbh.

[@DMKA94]

Which were a downgrade on the old battle force boxes. You used to be able to buy a decent starter army for £60.

[@vectorshaman338]

Raiding that FLGS that was closing was the best thing ever. Sucks to high heaven the shop is closing, but 40% off warhammer and I felt like I was finally paying the right price for plastic. All my progress on the pile o shame right out the window as the beast tripled. In Denmark its wild to see a CP at 1000 kroner, after the new increase. Got the good genestealer cp w/ 32 minis for 80 bucks, and the vothann I paid 65. Also nuts the old genestealer cp had almost as much content as their new battleforce box, shrinkflation has come to gw. Pay more and get less.

[@the_kieran_show]

It's a tough subject to navigate for sure, but you were definitely in the right place at the right time with those savings!

[@michaelcarter577]

It's wild how much more affordable AOS 3rd Ed armies are compared 10th Ed 40k. I really hope that stays the same with 4th Ed when we see the indexes this week.

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah we hope so to!

[@Scry11-11]

The fact that the Dark Angels CP doesn’t have a single dark angels unit is a shame. Would it kill them to throw a set of knights or companions in it?

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah we've been saying this for a while. There's no sauce in the new CP boxes, a bit of flavour goes a long way!

[@mattylumley5538]

99% of the issue : you must make a new Combat Patrol for each faction. It must be different enough from the old one to look like a new product. Doesn't matter if this makes it distinctly worse (GSC being the most obvious example)

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah that's a really good point. My only issue is that when it's such an obvious downgrade.

[@Drukharri_enjoyer]

No you don't don't no one is forcing GW to make new combat patrols

[@rykerm4249]

That old GSC Combat Patrol made the army at least kind of affordable, and it being gone is such bs

[@WilliamMoses355]

I would change "Doesn't Matter," to "Bonus points," and maybe clarify that this is their own greedy policy, but other than that, spot on.

[@RenMomoDotPog]

8:25 I am absolutely on board with left kieran here

[@the_kieran_show]

Story of my life I swear 😂😂

[@RaptorianxdReviews]

"No challenges, not yet." Skaventide peaking in from the near future...

[@the_kieran_show]

We're recording it tomorrow 👀👀

[@craggylotus]

Tau and GSC are okay boxes for me, because at least they're not just all dudes on foot. Obviously the GSC is a huge downgrade but that's because the old one was the best ever. Drukhari is a solid one now, but I'm wondering how they're even going to swap anything out other than just cutting out the 2 boats. If they're devious they'll put one of the units that doesn't currently exist in plastic in that box. All the rest it's basically been taking out the cool big models and if we're lucky replacing them with a minimum amount of "some dudes".

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah I think each of the boxes so far have been different enough, in one light that's a good thing, but then another there's some obvious downgrades.

[@apezplays9925]

The new genestealer box is actually pretty decent. If you already own the old one

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah this. Its some nice variety compared to the other one with a small discount

[@GiftofChaosStudio]

That Tau box is exactly the same or very close to the contents of tge original one when they first came out.

[@Thoughtsmith]

Of course they're doing new CPs for each codex. CPs designed for 9th don't fit 10th - I love my 9th Orks CP but I can't attach that warboss to any of the units in the box.

[@the_kieran_show]

The logic is airtight but the DA box doesn't fit for that reason 😂

[@jmaccsarmiesofArda]

I know the Tau one is much worse overall but its perfect for the bits I need so Im happy xD

[@the_kieran_show]

Hey you do you! No one can tell you how to enjoy the hobby 😃

[@cosmoceratops]

I love the idea that "the box needs more to be enticing" after watching the Chaos Wolves cost video where boxes were bought for only one head or buying Belakor for the base trim.

[@the_kieran_show]

Does as he says, not as he does 😂

[@ChaseDaOrk3767]

I'm kinda interested in having my second army be Nurgle Chaos Space Marines, specifically I'd like to convert up some Nurgle-corrupted Blood Angels (or atleast som one off models for my possible second army)

[@the_kieran_show]

That sounds like loads of fun!

[@ChaseDaOrk3767]

@@the_kieran_show Thanks!! Also I was wondering how I could possibly kibash/convert my own Nurgle-corrupted Blood Angels to look the part?

[@egnaroelprup]

@@ChaseDaOrk3767 this isn't exactly the best place to talk kitbash shop But I would start out by looking as to what overall theme you want for the army "nurgle blood angels" is a start but how would you envision that existing, don't think about parts yet, think about designs, artwork, have a look and see what have people done before, what makes something a blood angel, what makes something a follower of nurgle, how can you marry those two together. This is something you will have to discover yourself, I can't just say "stick some plague marine parts on a blood angels kit or vice versa" Do you want to lean into the gene flaw, say perhaps be way heavier on the vampirism? Do you want to lean into the mutation? Do you want to lean into the kind of church-like themeing of the blood angels? Leprosy? (If I recall from a movie called kingdom of heaven a movie about the crusades there's a character who wears a death mask to hide his leprosy) You have to ask yourself these questions and then a parts list relating to your ideas will follow (Please note, the questions I'm asking are examples, it can just be one way to approach a kitbash, a kitbash can be as simple as "I don't like the way that it looks, how can I change it")

[@B1-997]

@@ChaseDaOrk3767 could use greenstuff to sculpt nurgle bits onto them.

[@ChaseDaOrk3767]

@@B1-997 Probably so

[@cirno9349]

10:18 admech combat patrol is a downgrade because it lost good chunky damage dealers, center piece and easy to use units, also those new units are a pain to put together I would not put them in a box for people new to the army or game. The best way to improve the set is just chuck in a dragoon or 2 and give the set back a center piece and needed damage

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah a dragoon in that box would be so cool!

[@Vinterloft]

The ultimate Tau combat patrol would be Shadowsun, 18 Stealth Suits and 3 Ghostkeels.

[@the_kieran_show]

Now that sounds cool!

[@Dasein1]

I was disappointed in the new GSC box but there are definitely two key scenarios it makes sense; I think that GW's plan was to sell it to the people who had already gotten 3 of the old one and needed the other stuff, but boy is it rough to new GSC players. The other scenario is if you really want to play the GSC vehicle detachment; in that regard it's similar to beast snaggas, its great if that's your thing, and meh for everyone else. That said, I had 2 of the old ones, and I'll probably go in on a third rockgrinder and then hybrids.

[@the_kieran_show]

Thats some interesting points. If youve already got an existing army then its certainly some nice flavour in a discounted box!

[@sonicwingnut]

Good news at least is that Combat Patrol magazine from Hachette has nearly all old combat patrols in it plus some bonus units. I've got a Forbidden Planet near my work so I'll just cherry pick all the good bits

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah that’s very true! Hopefully it doesn’t get scalped too much though!

[@sonicwingnut]

​@@the_kieran_showyeah admittedly depends where you are - it's normally still possible to pick stuff off FPs website but if you live near a store it's incredibly easy to get loads of stuff, they also usually do 1 per customer on the highest value issues. Oh yeah the Newcastle store does 10% off if you have a uni student or staff card.

[@manycatman3627]

The new Nids CP has the same argument as the Space Marines and the Start Collecting box. Fun units, but cheaper to get the Start Collecting box and the missing unit (that I don't remember off the top of my head)

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah totally! Its such a strange play from GW

[@BrandonGiordano]

It wouldnt be so bad if the CP's were at least still interesting. Not only are they upping the price but theyre removong a lot of the interesting elements that made them worth it. Perfect example: they took the tank out of the sisters box, and took the dreadnought out of the Dark Angels box. The value and interest is basically gone

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah totally agree, some of them just have no "sauce" now

[@MedTech37572]

Eh, I don’t mind the new Tau box. You are probably running more breachers in devil fish than ghostkeels and I like the commander suit and pathfinders. Though the box would have been peak if the pathfinders were replaced with a crisis suit team.

[@the_kieran_show]

🐟🐟🐟🐟

[@davidshaw123451001]

As a Death Guard player, I don't think even GW could make that box worse.

[@the_kieran_show]

Dunno, 30 extra pox peeps instead of typhus could do it 😂

[@MarcYenlo]

That Adepta Sororitas t-shirt is amazing! Where can I get one of those?

[@the_kieran_show]

Yavin Prints!

[@kikolokopo_toys]

I actually think the templar combat patrol will be the best marines patrol. They have one battle line unit (that will be used almost 90%), the upgrade sprue is awesome and will probably have one other unit and an HQ (basically will loose the vehicle (or not) some other patrols have vehicles like the GSC or tau

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah this sounds likely!

[@foreverfornever1124]

Idk why they didnt wait until after 10th ed to make new 11th ed SM and Nids CP with the starter boxes, like they did in 9th ed for the Necrons. Hell at the very least they could have pulled the other models from the 10th launch box that werent in the starter boxes and made CP's that didnt overlap the starter boxes. I approve of about half of the new CP's so far with Necrons and Custodes being the best and the Sisters and SM ones being the worst. As someone who isnt a GSC player, I think the new CP is equally as valuable as the last one because for one its an expensive army and doesnt get box sets often. And two, the new CP doesnt overlap the old one at all so buying up a couple of each of the CP's was defintiely the best time to do so.

[@the_kieran_show]

Fresh CPs in line with launch boxes is always a weird one, totally agree. Think you're right with snagging the old ones aswell. Get them before they're gone!

[@ProphetOfTruth_]

Is it still viable with starting a Custodes army to get one of the old and one of the new combat patrol boxes instead of 2 of the new? Just for the sake of variety

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah totally is! And they will give you more different units too

[@ProphetOfTruth_]

@@the_kieran_show sisters of battle is definitely my 2nd favorite after custodes I want to start building so it’s a shame it seems that the new battleforce and combat patrol don’t seem worth buying, or at least not good value

[@Dram1984]

The combat patrols are pretty much across the board worse than the old start collecting.

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah totally did, although the new imperial agents one gives us some hope!

[@Joe_of_Arc_]

You gotta be crazy to think that the new AdMech CP is about the same as the old one. Post dataslate, the old CP was 470 pts while the new one is 290. The new one isn't very good when playing combat patrol as you dont have any damage dealing units or anything that can take any damage.

[@the_kieran_show]

Tbh we're not huge fans of either box 😂 Ad Mech doesn't do it for us at all.

[@SlayerOfWorlds]

In the past they where start collecting boxes... now its its own game format. GW is literally making you pay for the combat patrol game format, by making the boxes smaller and worse.

[@the_kieran_show]

Hard to disagree...

[@craggylotus]

8:04 if you can't remember the name of a unit, it's 50/50 either a Breacher or a Castellan. No matter what army.

[@the_kieran_show]

Haha tbh it's hard to disagree

[@luckmyst3r986]

The sisters boxes where so disapointing, I was fully prepared to drop £130 to add to my chaos sisters army but seeing that combat patrol and the battleforce box I was so sad. Ive seen the boxes, they are so thin, you could unironically fit 3 of those boxes in 1 Drukari box

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah the Battleforce was just so bad

[@orkman198]

The tyrannid cp is a pass... you dont get all weapons options... i heard its better to buy the starter set as even as it costs more, you get all the weapon options, + a second cp with the space marines , the book etc... so in total you get more for your money even if it costs you a bit more than the tyrannid cp alone... and depends where you buy it. The ultimate starter set costs less at a 3d party reseller than the tyrannid cp in a gw shop... so thats my way to go.

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah the starter sets are the best way to get either the space marines or tyranid models for sure!

[@KFK47]

They are going to turn it into aos spearhead , I wouldn't be surprised if the release a board for it like spearhead and turn it into buy this box to play this version of 40k but don't buy multiple boxes for army building 2000 points

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah totally agree, tbh the Spearhead set up looks pretty solid. But the models in those AoS boxes are infinitely better 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Trulli9]

So you arent allowed to play the old combat patrols with the release of the new ones?

[@the_kieran_show]

Good question! We actually don't know 😂

[@SwtKaroline]

I do feel like they are getting worse as start collecting boxes but the new ones feel much better in the Combat Patrol game format. The old Tau and DA were busted to play against. Great vid my guys

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah this is a good point, there totally more of a swing towards using them as is in games rather than collections

[@cobberhambone9484]

There is literally zero excuse for them to get worse. Literally none. It is straight up greed. Shrinkflation. When you can 3D print a whole army in resin for less than the price of a single unit box you know this is too fucking much. Warhammer models cost more than their equivalent weight (not volume) in silver.

[@the_kieran_show]

although the new imperial agents one gives us some hope!

[@cobberhambone9484]

@@the_kieran_show I have grey knights already so I’ll admit it looks tempting

[@egnaroelprup]

They....are kinda getting worse? The issue was just that the old ones were not balanced in the first place, there was a clear tier list of patrols. It didn't matter what the rules were it was fundamentally broken. However, barring the starter box marine patrol (its missing 5 more flamer dudes tbh), the boxes should balance better. But on another side, I don't think they're as good at showing off the army like the old ones were. (Except tszaangor patrol, anything different will probably be better)

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah totally agree. The new ones just lack the sauce the older ones did, they should be a good entry point but have enough spice to encourage you to an army.

[@Angron_Of_Nuceria]

World eaters is a big smash atm

[@the_kieran_show]

Username checks out too 😂

[@Angron_Of_Nuceria]

No no no no... The bias isn't here this time, I swear l...

[@thesherbet]

Im gonna need to know where you got that Space Hunk tshirt, for reasons...

[@the_kieran_show]

Yavin prints! Check them out on Etsy!

[@thatchris1626]

I’m wondering how the admech one is doing post buff. Might be worth picking up now

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah I'd imagine so! If you can get hold of the older one too, you're on to a winner

[@thatchris1626]

@@the_kieran_show I am also saddened by the disrespect to the dunecrawler, might be one of my favourite models in the army. Might be out best unit now after the changes now

[@jonathandoherty9082]

So gar the only new CP id consoder good are Custodes and Tau

[@the_kieran_show]

Custodes is a great shout.

[@Rook986]

Vanguard boxes are the same size and much cheaper

[@the_kieran_show]

For now 😭😭😭

[@piotrjeske4599]

Start collecting number of models at combat patrol price.

[@the_kieran_show]

Sounds about right!

[@Nefreta1]

Where can I get that sisters shirt?

[@the_kieran_show]

Yavin Prints!

[@erih2934]

Space Marines combat patrol boxes were and still are boring as f.... they never had any flavor (except for Black Templars). they were just made to sell generic models for any SM army. Good core, but nothing for the chapters. Sisters... the old had good value, but being mono-pose it has some limitations. Love the variety though, I just wished the Sisters squad had at least a heavy weapon or any other options. The new one on the other hand does come handy if you didn't have Flagellants or Sacresants as both Canoness (base for conversions, its a cool kit) and Battle Sisters can be used in multiples. Overall combat patrol boxes are going to be worse. There are a few old ones that I might pick up when I see what their new versions will bring (did it for the Sisters as well).

[@the_kieran_show]

Yeah we would totally pick up any older ones that you're interested in before they sell out, the sisters one is already OOS most places!

[@40K-zf9db]

These new combat patrols are a slap in the face. Wouldn't buy any of them.

[@the_kieran_show]

Not any?! Some I totally get, but there are some winners for sure.

[@40K-zf9db]

@the_kieran_show Not really bro. I get it you want to be fair but what once was a viable entry point into 40k is now something you need to do mental gymnastics to justify. These boxes (on the whole) do not justify their price. Never seen GW downgrade something so quickly along with a price increase. Think the community should stand firm on this.

[@wholesomecomment45]

​@40K-zf9db I would agree with you but the new Custodes box makes me not miss the old one

[@40K-zf9db]

@@wholesomecomment45 again, commenting on one or two boxes being better or marginally better isn't the point. On the whole, these boxes are more expensive and have less in them. This is not a 3-5% increase but, for many, upward of 20%. The community should come together over this.

[@jonathankuneli3463]

New ork box sucks.

[@the_kieran_show]

Noooo it's Beast Snaggas! Well half of us like it anyway. 😂

[@christopherjolly8172]

Short answer. Yes

[@the_kieran_show]

Woopsie!

[@christopherjolly8172]

@the_kieran_show hahahaaa, tbh the banter and smash comments make the video well worth watching. But this vid's really highlighted how G-Dubs is pulling our pants down on value of these boxes

[@bayushiteishiru6291]

Yea.

[@the_kieran_show]

Solved;

[@kdhlkjhdlk]

They all include some trash unit that makes them not worth getting. Never include the cool stuff that get people into the factions. Whatever. The best combat patrols are bundles of STLs from patreon.

[@the_kieran_show]

Stonks

[@Hogun13]

Yes....

[@the_kieran_show]

*nods in approval

[@hayhay2640]

combat patrols are starting to look like the start collecting boxes with nearly double the price.

[@the_kieran_show]

Totally!

[@kenupton4084]

Giving the new Dark Angels a smash and not seeing the glory of the previous version makes me think you guys are 100% shills.

[@the_kieran_show]

😂😂😂 just fishing for comments really

[@deffkon_c1242]

I would love to see this video format for Spearhead in AoS tbh 😊

[@the_kieran_show]

Oh it's coming!

[@deffkon_c1242]

@@the_kieran_show ❤ oh that's glorious!