Come to (Degenerate Dog Dom) Mommy

[@softzoner7256]

zoophiles being the most caring and loving to animals is the same as saying pedophiles are the most caring and loving towards children

[@tertiaritus]

No wonder these two overlap so often

[@whatisthis1958]

The two seem to overlap. Makes me sick.

[@rockmangurlx4973]

I heard that the common elements are usually the sense of power and domination over something/someone weaker/more vulnerable/more impressionable.

[@Therealburntmilk]

Does this mean one of my ocs is a pedo? THEY ARE CARING TOWARDS CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY ARE A TEACHER (According to pedos)

[@TheOneTrueDuck]

i mean.. *technically* the pedophile one is correct, but for all the wrong reasons

[@Stardustgirl123]

I have to call myself a dog hairstylist because of these people.

[@koiifsh]

that took me way too long to understand

[@jackwastakenx2]

At first: ??? After a minute: *oh.*

[@Stibly]

I feel so bad for animal barbers, calling yourself a pet groomer and then having some people believe you hurt animals must be really sad and annoying. Thankfully most people wouldn't immediately think that but the Internet ruins some things.

[@thearcheduck8746]

​@Stibly The industrial revolution and its consequences...

[@sillyd0g]

same here. especially sucks because i'm a genderqueer lesbian so between these fuckers and the far right turning "groomer" into an anti-lgbt dogwhistle, my job title feels extremely tainted these days

[@cobaltblu4196]

Most people think Cats are dicks because they can't recognize that the cat is fucking bored. or is tired of being pet. Yet Sappho thinks they can tell their dog wants to bang?!

[@MartianCandies]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! my cats are SO SO sweet and chill because their entire lives I've observed and respected their body language. Id test if they wanted to be pet by offering my hand, if they rubbed their face against it, they did. If they did nothing, id gently touch their cheek, if they pull back, I give them space and leave them be, or just leave them be if they're sitting with me. My younger twins are very easy to read since they're very vocal and know to just wander away when they're done, but other cats, like my gfs, will bite or bat at her to tell her to piss off lmao. She got that tortittude

[@MartianCandies]

And yes, there is no way to tell a dog actually wants to engage in that. Just isn't possible. What is almost always likely is that the dog has so much pent up hormones from not being neutered or fixed, it has to take it out somewhere. That's not love bro, that's just a dog being what it is...a dog. These "people" are so incredibly delusional

[@hermescarraro3393]

I know right? As long as you leave the cat in control, they can be the most adorable, sweetest potato ever! Cats are easily intimidated by us. A friend of mine has one of the best boys ever, he loves cuddles and is nice even to strangers.

[@cobaltblu4196]

@@hermescarraro3393 The problem is most people will try to treat a cat like a dog, and most cats don't like that

[@anobody4606]

@@cobaltblu4196 A lot of people do this with every other kind of pet as well. A lot of people seem to think that all domesticated animals want to be touched or baby-talked to all the time, and don't realize their different needs don't disappear just because they're a pet.

[@marbelrod9001]

I hate the fact that zoos, pedos and other degenerates decided to appropiate the Greek alphabet to reffer to their paraphilia. The Greek letter μ (called mu) is the equivalent of the "m" and they use it for MAP. For zoo they use this other letter, ζ, which is zeta, the Greek "z" and ξ (xi, pronounced as the "x" in fox) for zoos4dism. I'm not Greek, I just know the letters because of my subject of study, but I would be mortifyed to know someone out there used three letters of my own name to reffer to three different sicknesses.

[@iAstra]

Absolutely agree. It's really annoying that they do that. It also happens with emojis, though I think using the greek alphabet is worse.

[@Bepetoni]

I love these educational comments so much, thank you, I know I would not have the bravery to research the funky looking greek alphabet otherwise :')

[@vexedlex8230]

Well, some letters gotta be used. I mean, if we're writing about it. Is it somehow less mortifying if they use Latin letters, like this comment is entirely composed of? (except W, which is an invention that was not of Latin origin)

[@marbelrod9001]

@@vexedlex8230 And you had to show your lack of empathy. You are ok with what is the book definition of cultural appropiation only because it didn't happen to the alphabet you are used to use. You know? Letters build words, and words with some rules and people who choose to communicate that way create a language, which is a very important element from the culture it belongs to. Some words only exist in one language, because what they decide it should be a word, depends on their culture and how it makes them see the world. Using them in a way like this is stigmatizing and just sick. TL;DR: Alphabets are part of the cultures since they are a graphic representation of the languages written in those and not an object to use to define sick ways to enter in the Sex Offender Registry.

[@vexedlex8230]

@@marbelrod9001 I don't know what you're talking about. My only point was that no matter what letters they used, they're gonna be letters that were created by a culture. So whether they used Latin letters (like you and I are using in this exchange), Cyrillic letters, Greek letters, or Egyptian hieroglyphs, I don't see one as any different to the others. As for your last point, the Greeks have been aware of, and have their own terms for this kind of stuff. Look at some Greek myths, you'll find stories of humans screwing birds, cows and one time, even a bull. The woman even got pregnant with a baby that had a human's body and a bull's head and it could only sustain itself on the blood of humans. It had to be trapped in a maze in the centre of the city of Minos, and was known as the Bull of Minos. Or in Greek, the Minotaur. I mean, heck, the word zoophilia is Greek in the first place. So is encyclopaedia and a bunch of other words we use. I guess, my point is, given all the _genuinely_ objectionable things these people do, I don't understand your specific gripe with letters... I mean, it feels like we're all pointing and jeering at a man who killed his wife with a shovel, but your problem is with the brand of shovel he used. I feel like that's not what's wrong with the situation here.

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

When Hypnotist Sappho was blathering on about how animals should have the right to be in romantic relationships with humans, I could only look at my geriatric chihuahhua’s massive bulging eyes as he chewed on my sandal

[@somedragonbastard]

Truly an equal whom you should be allowed to bed

[@sillyd0g]

the idea that my dumbass cat comprehends the concept of romance makes me laugh so hard. like yeah i joke that she has a secret crush on the neighborhood cat who comes to the window and makes her lose her fucking mind with rage but that's because i think its funny to anthropomorphize her, not because i think she actually has anything approaching romantic feelings for anything or anyone

[@DeanDraxon8752]

@@sillyd0gI dunno man, sometimes you’ll see two cats that are clearly in love with each other(or at the very least extremely attached to one another). Which I guess could be anthropomorphizing them in a way, but also who wouldn’t look at two cats that are always together and think “omg they’re in love-“

[@sillyd0g]

@@DeanDraxon8752 i mean yeah there are definitely animals i joke about being in love or whatever but logically i also know that what that actually is is just two animals that are very bonded to each other. and i guess there are some species like certain types of birds that pair up for life which is kind of like romance or marriage but it's also not something we can properly comprehend since we can't communicate with those animals and be like "hey is that other bird your wife are you in love with her like how humans are in love with one another"

[@E3AloeLi]

Agreed on there. My dog is dumb as shit I mean of humans, my little brother, but my little brother dog.

[@SatyrToon]

Something Zoophiles like to bring up is "What if a mute person wants to have sex? They can't tell you that they want it." But they are a human. Who understands human language. Who can write and read and learn new forms of language that bypass their disability. Who are mentally mature and understand the consequences of sex and therefore are legally and morally able to consent.

[@moltenboyo2163]

Exactly, the lack of speech is only one element here. In a person, an inability to speak is easily bypassed, due to the lack of other problems That animals possess. It really does come across as “my dog can’t talk so maybe they DO want me to fuck them!”

[@ducktk]

also sign language exists!! dogs don’t have the dexterity for that kind of communication

[@imaketrashart]

Oh my god that argument is so stupid, did they forget that sign language and other ways of communicating exist?

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

Even if there's a total language barrier, for instance, lack of communication might be a little dubious, but human body language is somewhat universal. Shaking your head, licking your lips, avoiding eye contact, and especially mounting/humping mean very different things for dogs than they do for humans, and zoos are all to eager to anthropomorphize whatever "signs" are most convenient.

[@moltenboyo2163]

@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck no matter what language or (for the most part) disability, the vast majority of people know what a thumbs up is. You’re spot on

[@caitlinsnowfrost8244]

30:37 Also even if animals *were* of the same intellectual capacity as us, being sexually mature would not necessarily equate to being a consenting adult! Female cats can get pregnant at just four months old- at which point they're still considered kittens! In terms of development, at that age they are equivalent to a human ten-year-old. Hell, even humans can be considered "sexually mature" far earlier than they are actually *mentally* ready to be able to consent to sex- the youngest person ever to give birth was *five years old*. Sexual maturity is pretty meaningless as a marker for whether or not something is predatory in nature.

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

Not to mention that plenty of girls get their period as early as nine years old, meaning they have the ability to get pregnant. The biggest issue is that just because a person is physically capable of doing something doesn’t mean they are ready to do it, or that it won’t be harmful to them. A nine year old who gets her period isn’t suddenly prepared to have sex or be a mother 🤢

[@E3AloeLi]

Agreed on that I got my period at 10 and I barely knew what was happening to me.

[@hermescarraro3393]

Never look at the laws in middle eastern countries regarding the age of consent... Don't... For your own good... I wanna die after reading that crap

[@Aventucats]

i wanted to note that intrusive thoughts are unwanted thoughts. Zoophiles and pedos can't have intrusive thoughts if they are thoughts they like and want. I wanted to point it out because as someone who suffers from OCD, I didn't want you to spread a bad name on intrusive thoughts because of how stigmatized OCD already is.

[@livhasproblems2513]

No. Zoos and pedos definitely CAN have intrusive thoughts. Disordered paraphiles are the ones that actively fucking hate themselves for being and thinking like this. They actively don't want to have those thoughts even if they may have a sort of reaction to them. They're unwanted. Everyone can have intrusive thoughts, not just people with ocd, too. I understand that you want to get rid of the stigma, but this is simply not true.

[@username8283]

You're not *exactly* right on this, by example, a zoo who doesn't want to offend and believes that it is wrong to enact on the attraction, (aka the act goes against Thier morals) can have OCD and can get intrusive thoughts about doing things they're against (in this case, thoughts about offending which is something they don't want to do) But thank you for pointing this out! A lot of people refuse to separate intrusive thoughts from genuine, "want to do" thoughts. Side note: the ones who believe it's okay to offend will not have intrusive thoughts about offending, it aligns with their morals

[@lavenderlaceration]

I suffer from intrusive thoughts as well, I hate them and they make me feel uncomfortable, sick, and disgusting. I'm glad you added this note for specification, having intrusive thoughts doesn't mean you're a bad person it just means you're struggling and that's totally fine :]

[@someguy12370]

It has taken me years to understand that my own intrusive thoughts were not my own and were instead a part of my illness. OCD caused me a lot of shame and confusion thanks to intrusive thoughts. We are not people that suffer from paraphilia. The people that do may have compulsions but their thoughts are not intrusive if they actively gain pleasure from following through with abusing others. The moment they cross that line they are abusers.

[@username8283]

@@someguy12370 You're wrong about your second part. Intrusive thoughts are unwanted thoughts. There (thankfully) are zoos who understand that animals are unable to consent and who will stand against enacting on it. They will be very uncomfortable if they get thoughts about them doing the very thing they're against. What you missed here is that your subconscious (which includes attraction) dosen't necessarily align with your conciouss (which includes morals)

[@nezzy3573]

"Romance is like dry, mental foreplay" i'm crying i've never heard anyone describe it like that

[@skythedragon7897]

I mean, she's not wrong. I'm aro so I know what its like. Its funny at first but gets annoying and boring quick

[@nezzy3573]

@@skythedragon7897 omg a fellow aro person! may your platonic conquests be plenty and satisfactory, my friend!

[@skythedragon7897]

@@nezzy3573 you too!

[@moondrop2677]

*gasp* fellow aros! -my aroace ass

[@willow4605]

Timestamp?

[@liionfiish]

"Probably because when you had the discussion about the birds and the bees, you were the only one taking it literally!" NO NOT THE BEES😭

[@totallyspies01]

My mom knew I was learning when I started following bees around after watching magic school bus. Naturally I was stopped by teachers before I got stung. I was a curious kid. "Don't f the bees!" Was so funny though

[@themosaicshow]

it’s hip

[@njtinnes]

I can appreciate watching Ponder break Minecraft trees with a watermelon.

[@AmaryInkawult]

It's wedge shaped, so why can't we cut down a tree with a watermelon? Minecraft Modders, get on that shizz

[@Kattchatt]

@@AmaryInkawult melon axe go!

[@icyatlasartworks]

@@AmaryInkawult edible axes mod, let's go

[@styxxalembers]

@@icyatlasartworks How much hunger would they give you if you ate them?

[@vaporean_boylove.0w083]

@@AmaryInkawult A watermelon Minecraft mod would be so fun and creative XD

[@aspenanimates3644]

“Don’t f*** the bees” is a sentence I never knew I was going to hear

[@fireman8995]

Her explaining how a dog could consent is like someone telling me my Crested Gecko is giving me consent by doing his love call in spring and summer. Redd does that by nature trying to call a female cresti. That little guy has 2 braincells and ones focused on food and the other fighting pillow moss 😩

[@tertiaritus]

That last one was so cute and funny

[@katherinesmallbean3594]

Aw crested geckos are so cute. My friend had one who used to stick its face against the glass of its cage.

[@theartofthefart3244]

how often does the moss win the fight?

[@fireman8995]

@@theartofthefart3244 Fantastic question TheArtOfTheFart! Depending on who you hope would win you'd be sad/happy to know as of late there is little to no pillow moss within Redds tank. He beat the breaks off it so badly it tucked moss and ran off (I took it out)

[@upscale9109]

To me, her explaining dogs consenting is like trying to have a freindship with a tetse fly maggot in your arm.

[@8bitgalaxyhunts]

It's almost funny how shocked she was that her 16-year-old ex acted like a 16-year-old. Almost as if the gap in mental and emotional development is a huge reason as to why normal adults don't chase after kids by hey ho away we go

[@skythedragon7897]

Oh you know sappho doesn't apply logic to situations. That would make too much sense

[@MagicWhatsItCalled]

2:17:54 wholesome moment break: i could not help but notice ponder being enchanted by this minecraft toad and putting down her map to douse it with water several times. i love it. edit: i just saw later in the video SHE IS KIDNAPPING THE TOADS

[@vaporean_boylove.0w083]

B will be the Toads' queen and shall rule over them. She'll protect the lil buggers with her octo army.

[@anobody4606]

I could feel her sadness from not being able to pick it up with a bucket through the screen lol.

[@pidgedidge]

I think they’re frogs. Frogs need water like that and live near swamps or ponds and the like. Toads can live in the desert.

[@stitches768]

@@pidgedidge or the adorable desert rain frog :D

[@chezsrandombs]

Gonna start this by saying I'm NOT a zoophile, because that could be easily misread by what I'm about to say. I have experienced that whole "intrusive thoughts of beastiality" on a few occasions, and every time I'm completely disgusted. I've spoken to multiple therapists about my various intrusive thoughts but thos kept coming up because those are the ones that disturbed me the most. I found out I have psychosis, and was experiencing this due to the trauma I experienced myself as a child. My brain was essentially recreating my own trauma with an animal that would've had equal strength to me in comparison, almost like my brain was putting me in the head of the person who traumatised me. Just having intrusive thoughts doesn't make you a zooey, it's the arousal from those thoughts

[@ct4911]

very true! i also have intrusive thoughts, they are horrible. have a good day

[@sexygirlmax2019]

intrusive thoughts =/= wanted thoughts or fantasies, dw friend. im so glad youre getting help 💜

[@shanelbryant5638]

@@dontstopmenow5644sometimes it’s just leftover impulses. I went through CBT for depression and while they scratched that diagnosis off the list after a while, every now and then I’ll get this “I should unalive myself rn” thought that will literally make me jolt with rejection.

[@chocomelo454]

yeayea I got OCD so I have intrusive thoughts too

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

I hate that "letting the intrusive thoughts win" is a meme now. People with intrusive thoughts hate the thoughts, that's what makes them intrusive. I'm not sure paraphilias are intrusive thoughts. Some might be. People know they have thoughts they do not want. But other things are considered paraphilias that people may only want to stop because of the social consequences or they don't try to stop at all. The current model highlights the distress these things cause but I don't know that means they are intrusive thoughts or things they enjoy but don't act on because they'll get caught or things they act on and try not to get caught. People with intrusive thoughts often are very anxious over whether they're a bad person because they have these thoughts. But I'm sure you're a good person 😊

[@emilytheartist2915]

14 minutes in, cuz idk if B's gonna mention it. But notice how Sappho condemns doing the dirty with 'non sexually mature' animals, and then comes out as a map? Does this mean Sappho sees human children as lesser than animals? Idk.

[@pondersprocket2274]

That's a *really* good point I didn't consider!

[@emilytheartist2915]

@@pondersprocket2274 That's something I always thought of as odd about Saphho that I never really saw anyone bring up. Like "underage" animals can't consent but underage humans?

[@MustardToob]

@@emilytheartist2915 I haven't watched the full video yet so idk the full context but Sappho might be referring to sexual maturity as separate from psychological(?) maturity. You know how humans become capable of bearing children way before their brains are fully developed? Animals don't have such a large gap between their sexual maturity and psychological maturity so maybe the line appears clearer with them.... ugh

[@mmmbepis8643]

I mean, a dog at the age of 1 (technically sexually mature) is the physical equivalent of a 14-15 year old so... I'm unsurprised

[@mileidyclass]

I've literally thought the same thing since finding out she was a pedo. Lol

[@Artemis1253]

Kind of adding to the dangers of sexually abusing animals, in 1960 there was a NASA project to teach a dolphin to speak English. The issue was the dolphin got distracted by it's arosal, so they were like "Hey, let's take care of this so we can get back to work" and the manually stimulated the dolphin. As much as the researcher Margaret refused to acknowledge it, her study was botched. Peter wasn't really learning so much as HE was training the humans to give him what he wanted. And Margaret, god her recounting the experience is gross and she is very delusional, would not listen to anyone around her that this wasn't working, this was probably a bad idea from the beginning, and hey is this ethically right? Eventually the program wasn't meeting results and it fell through. The dolphin, Peter, no longer stimulated ended up committing suicide. That would have never happened if they had actually cared about what was best for Peter. And they didn't because they also gave him LSD to see if that would help with the training.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

I was wondering if anyone would bring up Peter the dolphin. Whole situation was bonkers. All in the name of somehow eventually teaching extraterrestrials to speak english.

[@pixxel4241]

Morbid question..... How they hell does a dolphin commit suicide??

[@lana.pat1308]

@@pixxel4241 I have heard about captive dolphins that are so depressed they manually stop breathing and then suffocate. I dont know if it applies here but I can imagine either that or injuring itself in order to die.

[@pixxel4241]

@@lana.pat1308that….is so awful, thank you for responding, I am so sorry that you know that

[@Tamaki742]

@@lana.pat1308 Yeah... That's... That's exactly what Peter did too.

[@aashycoconut]

This is super weird to watch knowing that when I was 9-11 I wanted to marry my dog because he was always around me and protected me. Even when he died when I was 10 I felt like I was in love with his soul. Just knowing how easily I could’ve been groomed into becoming a zoophile because how actively online I was as a young child scares me

[@noranizaazmi6523]

Very glad you didnt, and like i can see why you had that feeling

[@SushyArts]

Yeah as a kid the concept of marriage and love are much more innocent. Like how lots of young kids wanna "marry" one of their parents. Because usually they just know you do it when you live someone a whole lot. Kids often don't know the different types of love. It's the innocence that makes things fine. I was pretty much the same as the kid and even thinking about being groomed into being a zoophile makes me sweat and shake.

[@schedar_cassiopeia]

i wanted to marry my closest stuffed animal because it was a source of comfort in a turbulent home when i was a kid. as far as i can tell, im not sexually or romantically attracted to fabric. i was just...a kid being a kid. it sucks that kids arent allowed to be kids these days unless they either have no online access (which isnt the worst thing ever but the internet does have good parts too), are heavily moderated (which can lead to rebelliousness, something i know well..), or have to be hypervigilant abt what they're doing (which most kids just cannot do)

[@Saibellus]

i wanted to marry my older brother when i was a kid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ kids are dumb and have a lot of strong emotions without the brain cells to understand em. dont stress yourself out about it

[@sillyd0g]

​@@SushyArts exactly . as a kid i just thought marriage was something you do when you love someone of the opposite gender (i didn't know gay people existed yet bc i was super young and went to catholic school and it was the early 2000s) so i always talked about wanting to marry my dad. it's kind of mortifying to look back on on a personal level the way a lot of the stuff you do as a kid is embarrassing, but objectively i know that was in no way related to any kind of romantic feelings for my dad, partly because i didn't have any concept of romantic feelings at such a young age and partly because i turned out to be a lesbian. the stuff you talk about loving and wanting to marry as a kid has little to nothing to do with actual attraction, it's just that young kids don't really have the ability to think of love as being separated into different categories so they'll about wanting to marry basically anything/anyone they love or find comfort in.

[@DeanDraxon8752]

“What if the animal is sexual with me first?” Is the *exact same* argument some people use to justify abvsing children. “They approached me!” And as the more mature and responsible party, it’s your job to say no. End of.

[@EricandTheCheat]

What truly irks me about Sapho's BS is that her "kink" is completely reliant on harming others/ruining someone's life. Do that to a child or an animal and they're ruined forever. That's permanent damage. I knew someone online who was molested as a kid. It didn't just affect his life in general, it affected the way he looked at relationships. And to this day he still has trust issues. Thankfully he got the therapy he needed, but even then there can be some scars. And on another note, as you pointed out so brilliantly, me having a fictional crush on Kimahri Ronso from Final Fantasy X does NOT mean I want to do you-know-what to an actual lion.

[@Xemaredux]

Especially since Kimahri has hands, stands bipedal, wears clothing, uses weapons, is very clearly an adult, and engages in clear conversation in the local human language.

[@EricandTheCheat]

@@Xemaredux Exactly!

[@TecTitan]

I had a roommate for a year and we'd spend lots of time together, I thought of us as Brothers For the very reason listed in the top post here, he couldn't let me give him a hug and never would. I know guys don't do that a lot or w/e I just liked the guy so much he was like family to me

[@aaasht2606]

@@Xemaredux exactly, hmmm surely sounds like itsnot the actual lion at the base that a person is attracted to...otherwise animal planet wouldve played instead of anime.. I have some half snake half human characters i like, but it doesnt fkin mean id like the snake itself irl 😂

[@screwed_up_screwball]

Something I want to note that Sappho brings up multiple times, along with many other zoophiles, that you can't compare a fully sexually mature dog to a human child. Yes, you can Sappho. Human women sexually mature around the ages 8 to 12, give or take depending on the girl. Technically, this girl is "sexually mature" and may even have sexual urges but that doesn't mean you have to right to impregnate her just because her body can get pregnant. It's the same with animals. Just because they have the ability to have sexual urges, doesn't mean they're sexually mature or even able to consent. Consent is a combination of intellect, sexual maturity, accountability and responsibility and even if someone has all four they could still be unable to consent in a given situation. This is such a simple concept and so many zoophiles can't seem to get it through their noggins omg Edit: And this doesn't even take into account hypersexuality in children, which can occur as early as three years old

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

Is it any surprise that she also later comes out as a MAP? She clearly only cares about biological technicalities, but can’t even be bothered to do her research.

[@Twiddle_things]

SEXUALLY MATURE AT AGES 8-12? WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU GET THIS INFORMATION? HOLY SHIT NO LONGER TEEN PREGANCY IS ON THE FUCKING RISE WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT PERIODS =/= ABLE TO HAVE SEX WITHOUT IT BEING PAINFUL

[@Twiddle_things]

​@@gregjayonnaise8314 she loves the feeling of power

[@flashthemonkey6032]

⁠@@j.kkidding9764 um… i see what your statement refers to. If you hold that belief… at least keep it to yourself, you won’t make friends here to say the least.

[@Lucifersfursona]

Consent separates humans from other animals more than arguably anything else including empathy. Nature is amoral, there isn’t consent between animals that we can understand or that is our right to pass moral judgement upon. And that’s like. Good. It’s good that nature is amoral, it’s fine. The ability to understand that the other person is as human as you are and is as worthy of self determination, and right to their own bodily autonomy. You don’t violate consent because of your understanding of what a person is. It’s literally one of the primary differences, mutually recognizing humanity is one of the most important god damn things I’m AAAAAAA

[@user-zo5ju8sy6l]

As a Greek person, I must say I'm deeply saddened by the use of the ζ and μ letters being used like this. We lost two good ones today :-(

[@Addi_Le]

YESSSSS!!! though I'm not Greek, I was born in Athens, and grew up in a vary Greek area of America, and hope to live there someday. It is so deeping disrespectful to use these letters like this, I absolutely agree.

[@hermescarraro3393]

Imagine being a Hindu and randomly finding out that Zoophiles are using imagery in temples and practices from prehistoric vedic times to justify zoophilia.. They do that too, apparently

[@theblackcatgirl7013]

Just coming back here to say: this is the BEST video on zoophiles BECAUSE it actually states what is wrong with the mindset instead of just making fun of them. Thank you so much for making this.

[@tertiaritus]

Right? All of us feel some level of distress and disgust, but being able to put it into words is not easy beyond "wtf"

[@Broeckchen]

The argument about financial abuse was especially enlightening. I've never encountered that one before but it's not only absolutely true, it also turns animals into another parallel for children. The only *humans* for whom we ever accept financial dependence as something sensible and good are children. Pretty much all reasons for why that is true also apply to animals. Our care and protection can only be that if we fully consider these beings as our wards who do not have the capacity to make decisions as well as we do. Which can not be true at the same time as believing that they can meaningfully consent. Of course there is a slight allowance there. A child can absolutely consent to wearing the princess dress to Kindergarten today or having spaghetti to lunch. Just like my cats make it very clear to me which catfood flavors they like best. But that's on a whole other level.

[@5il0.broadcast]

@@Broeckchenj😢k

[@SteampunkFridgeRider]

YEAH like saying "it's bad because it's bad", while being true, helps no one except zoophiles who want to groom other people into being zoophiles. actually explicitly going into the issues and trying to understand how and why people think this way is very important for stopping it.

[@liomanwhy]

Yes! Imo it nevet hurts to explain why the bad thing is bad, even if it feels obvious

[@Katharoni]

Something about you being so sassy towards 2 Zoophiles while fishing in one block of water in your small house while your parrot stares at you ranting and raving is such a funny image.

[@AnyOccasionAsian]

The fact that the beast from beauty and the beast was not brought up when talking about nonhuman crushes is almost criminal. He was the main reason I wanted to do well in school lmao

[@pondersprocket2274]

Lol, I was trying to specifically stick to anthropomorphized animal characters. The Beast, being a… well… *beast* is an anthropomorphized collection of various animal traits on a human-esque body, and is overall probably closer to “furry” territory, so he wouldn’t have fit with the necessary examples. There were plenty of furry characters people provided as examples that I couldn’t use *because* they were furries and therefore had way more human influence in their designs. This is why, after going over the animal examples, I said that if you open the doors to furries, the pool of crush-worthy characters expands near exponentially.

[@SpecialBlanket]

He is human, he's just temporarily in an animalesque body.

[@theultraatomicgamer]

@@pondersprocket2274 I like your builds in your Minecraft world in the video, specially the frog pond. BUT FCKIN PLEASE ADD A FLOOR IN YOUR HOUSE!!!

[@pequenaesposa3286]

​@@theultraatomicgamer I KNOW RIGHT??

[@AmoryTrys]

Ponder Sprocket: “As long as you get some juicy, long form content to draw to” Me who was drawing and autoplayed onto her vid and stayed cause it was long: HOW DID YOU KNOW

[@flashthemonkey6032]

I suppose illustrative artists are predictable that way.

[@insufferableanarchist]

She's achieved a higher form of being.

[@tibbers5211]

She got me too! I listen to so many 'spooky' stories, but that had me shook lmao

[@barnowl6752]

Same, it autoplayed and I was like “welp this is engaging and I don’t need to find more videos” then got called out 😂

[@MewGirlZ]

She knows us so well. 😂 I might not have come here to be called out but I'm not complaining.

[@ArchieRatsworth]

Adult gay people have a huge responsibility to be gentle with 'Baby Gays'. They're so aware that young lgtba+ people are so often isolated and vulnerable that they're likely to glom onto any sense of belonging and get hurt by careless older peers. But Sappho had no such caution in her 'community', does she?

[@Wulfahlicious]

For once it feels nice to read a sensible comment

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

Yep, it's so unfortunate that young gay kids are vulnerable particularly to grooming due to the sigma and isolation still happening in many parts of society. It's so sick and horrendous when predators swoop in under the guise of "mentoring" them.

[@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong]

@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck It's also worse that she's doing it in the furry community, a fandom of mostly socially isolated weirdos (No Offense) It's why neoNazis recruit furries. They are very vulnurable.

[@MurderCraw]

Sappho also sexualizes teens as young as 13 and even at one point in a Twitter space implied that 11 year olds could consent to sex. Thanks to Kiwi Farms swatting her though, authorities likely see her as a victim now. Valerie really needs to face justice, but because of her expertise in IT, she knows how to wipe her HD quickly and handle police. I really hate her and KF both.

[@ladyvictoria820]

Oh look. A example of how Kiwi farms makes things worse

[@whatisthis1958]

KF is 90% making things worse, 9% meaningless drama, and 1% actually helpful stuff in my experience lol.

[@Thenumberstationangel]

Kiwi farms is the prime example of a vigilante complex

[@mzab6923]

where/when did you hear that kiwifarms swatted her? I've never heard that claim and it isn't in the video.

[@MurderCraw]

@@mzab6923 It happens in a video being recorded by another KZbinr interviewing her. Brandon FM or something.

[@fishbrain9591]

If MAPs are really so sure that their relationship is consensual and healthy then why do they always resort to s*cide baiting to get their "partner" to stay instead of respecting their wishes to leave? It's almost like they don't actually respect their "partner" and desperately try to hold on to them because they realize how hard and time-consuming it is to "get" another one.

[@ladyvictoria820]

You forget that if said "ex partner" is open about the relationship and break up that could mean the cops coming to their door. 😂

[@ArchieRatsworth]

The ~ or tilde means 'roughly', meaning she's weaseling around a set number and hinting it could go lower.

[@Barakon]

I thought a tilde meant she was [of literature] ironic/ sarcastic in writ.

[@doubleaabattery7562]

It had a lot of meanings, but usually is used to imply some lust, from what I know

[@FlareStorms]

@@doubleaabattery7562 not in the way it was used when talking about the age range. placing the tilde AFTER a sentence is what implies lust

[@doubleaabattery7562]

@@FlareStorms oh right. I was confused why the tilde was being used for a sec. since I'm used to it being used in other contexts.

[@SpecialBlanket]

mathematician here, yes the tilde before a number/quantity means "approximately". a tilde after a word is supposed to show a singsong cadence with can mean anything a singsong cadence means irl (flirting, silliness, etc)

[@thegoatcarnival]

When I was in high school, I took a number of animal psych courses at my city’s zoo, one of the top ranked in the world. While taking these classes, I discovered the author Frans de Waal, who writes primarily about animal psychology and their relationships with humans. One of his books, _Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?,_ covers the human propensity to project emotions on to our animal companions. It’s a fascinating read, with one of the main points being that our projection can be a detriment to our relationships with animals, and boy doesn’t that sound _fucking familiar?_

[@thegoatcarnival]

While I’m here, I’m very close with my cat Bently. I’ll sometimes wake up with his back pressed against my chest, and if I roll over, he doesn’t run off. Based on his behavior, and not on what I want to believe, I can say that he associates my company with comfort. Nothing more. Animal behavior can and should _only_ be analyzed through facts. _Factually,_ Bently is a healthy male cat who is surprisingly active for his age. Based on how he hissed and growls at our dogs, I can determine that he has a negative opinion towards them (and with the fact that one of them is a smothering golden retriever, I don’t really blame him). He’s more likely to eat chicken than other meats. Does that mean chicken is his favorite? Perhaps. He’ll sit on the lap of anyone who sits in the recliner in our living room, not just mine, but he’ll only sit in someone’s lap if they’re leaning back. Every observation listed above is based on surface level behavior. I try my best to avoid projecting emotions onto my cat, but I do sometimes let it slip that I think I’m his favorite. All that said, no one should EVER read further than the surface level of what an animal thinks of you. I’ve gone too far in some instances where I thought an animal liked me, and been bitten or scratched for it. This is typically why you ask strangers if you can pet their animal.

[@theblackcatgirl7013]

@@thegoatcarnival Chicken is likely his favorite because it's a type of bird, and cats tend to hunt smaller animals the most nutritious being birds.

[@caramel9154]

@@theblackcatgirl7013 I don't think cats would have ever hunted jungle fowl or chickens due to how violent they typically are, but due to taste?

[@aphrodite2503]

I know for a fact that im my cats favorite. Because he has shown me hes always around me hes always purring with me and he has separation anxiety with me. We both have separation anxiety with each other. He doesnt let other people pet him like i do and chooses to sit closest to me. I may be reading into it wrong but hes shown me multiple times im his favorite human. But i try not to project my own thoughts and feelings in him incase he doesnt want it. So id like to think im his favorite because of his actions. 😊

[@theblackcatgirl7013]

@@caramel9154 Wouldn't the cats just have gotten the chicks or just smaller birds then? Like they do now?

[@triman6734]

The accent you tried sounded so undeniably french, the one nationality germans don't want to be confused with, and i love it.

[@Barakon]

To be fair, it seems like she knows French more than German.

[@guacbird]

@@Barakon well they are Canadian and they do speak French in Canada, so maybe

[@Gxutboi]

It also sounded kinda Russian at times

[@hermescarraro3393]

Lol. A ton of people don't want to be confused with them. Lol.😂 (No hate on french people, I find them hot)

[@NUISANCE_ANIMAL]

english vflower tuning be like

[@bonnietelocole6777]

1:34:30 Cat owner here- they do, in fact, do something similar. I've noticed with my dad's elderly cat that whenever I took of a shirt and threw it in my bed or the laundry basket, that Kyler would go to the clothing article and start nuzzling the pits like his life depended on it, even occasionally licking them, but the nuzzling was more common. So yes, cats do engage in similar behavior that dogs do in terms of sweaty clothes. Though it's my stepmoms puppy that's the only one actually _chewing_ the clothes. Lost a pair of socks to that behavior of hers >:T

[@thecrookedanimator]

I know my cat does something similar with my shoes. Tigger will shove his head into any shoe he can, (and sometimes start doing bunny kicks on it because he sees it as a toy)

[@Detective_asparagus]

My cat Callie would always sleep on my towel, I think it's because they can smell you, a person who they see as a caretaker (or someone they take care of lol)

[@shanelbryant5638]

My cat used to sleep on my gym clothes from school. One still sleeps on my hair scarves/bonnets because when she was a kitten she would hang out on top of my head

[@meltedangel]

My cat George does exactly that to my bath robe (even occasionally sleeping on it)

[@skythedragon7897]

My cats love sleeping in the laundry hamper. This gives a reason why cause the laundry is cold and in the shade

[@SoftDadLeon]

Owner of a German Shepherd here, hearing Sappho and her friend's comments about the breed made me feel so sick I went and gave him a big hug. Dogs are our friends and we are so lucky to have them in our lives, and to see that people use and abuse them this way breaks my fucking heart.

[@vulpiixfoxx]

Sappho feels like that bug that lives in your home that you always think you’ve gotten rid of only to realize it’s still alive and thriving. Only 300% worse.

[@ThatGreenMach1ne]

because it can fly too

[@-REDACTED-Light]

@@ThatGreenMach1ne and it hisses at you

[@ARandomEliatrope]

@@-REDACTED-Light and it sucks blood

[@crazyducklady5500]

@@ARandomEliatrope And it carries a disease

[@soggyflipflop]

@@ARandomEliatrope and it isn’t the only one

[@Average-honkai-player]

I knew a girl in high school who was ‘dating’ her cat she said they were going to get married. Ended up running into her again after graduation, she was disowned by her parents. Not for zoophilia, no, it was because the cat was female 🤦‍♀️

[@rottjavel3073]

Bodylanguage is not an excuse, not even in humans. Just cause someones body is aroused doesn't mean they consent. It's almost like these people pick and choose what part on human sexual relations to apply to the animals they thirst after.

[@MissCaraMint]

Yes. This is an actual exuse I’ve heard used to argue that men can’t be r***d. As if them physically getting hard is the same as consent. It’s horrible and damaging.

[@plutolichen]

exactly. groinal responses are involuntary and not indicative of a person actually *wanting* something.

[@oskarshima]

I’m now convinced that everyone with the last name “Tate” is someone to be careful around-

[@WhimsicalBunn]

so, clarifying something I found interesting watching this, not all paraphilias are harmful. Some paraphilia classify with Paraphilic Disorder Involving Solitary Behaviour or Consenting Individuals. So, its a mattter of the intense urge for the fetish, which can range from the...disgusting levels in this video, or something as simple as a foot fetish. I just wanted to research out of curiosity.

[@humanname99]

also interesting is that "paraphilia" is sometimes defined as "sexual attraction to an object or situation that isn't inherently sexual" which is _very_ broad and includes.. most people.

[@chocomelo454]

​@@humanname99this means that liking boobs is a paraphilia I just find that funny

[@Hiiragi1313]

wouldnt that be a description of a fetish? or are fetishes paraphilias?@@humanname99

[@sabrexi7228]

@@chocomelo454boobs are considered sex organs, specifically secondary or accessory sex organs. But yes, loosely, if you’re really into hands or feet, that technically would be considered a paraphilia. But from my studies, the objects would have to be outrageous like shoes (for some reason it’s a really common example) and will only be diagnosed if it causes significant harm. The DSM-5 sometimes likes to label strange kinks as paraphilia, so it really is just by how extreme and damaging it is

[@Musikenna]

As a child who was groomed and convinced various paraphilias was okay "as long as others were doing it to me and I wasn't doing it to others" , a mindset I am still working on recovering from at age 17, this video hits close to home. Love your content.

[@scientificallyaccuratespino]

Oh hey. It’s that one person who went viral.

[@weakmoon2363]

Good luck on recovery!

[@tertiaritus]

Good luck on your journey and good on you for getting help this early. I'm 26 and only just got some semblance of help - and it already feels like too late

[@Beloved-j2g]

I’m 30 and am still recovering from being groomed at 13-17 by a much older man whom I trusted. Hang in there.

[@shrimpyalfredo3933]

I may have only been groomed via online interaction with roleplay, but even that was enough to fuck up my then-child's mind, and I almost continued the cycle. Keep up with the recovery, my man. We wont let the ghosts of our past haunt us forever.

[@worthingss]

Sapho really is horrible, she always has been, she always will be, but most commentators don't cover her with nearly the same maturity and sheer entertaining grace that ponder does. thank you for constantly suffering for us

[@aunabreslingaming3279]

She’s also not lucid

[@christianturner1841]

while I don't have a fandom account, because procrastination, it is odd to run into u here, well kinda, also I do agree as well.

[@astorothwarriorofsunlight5471]

Sappho is a dude

[@pterosaurr]

lol hi i’ve seen u on the creatures of sonaria wiki

[@Jeltea]

@@astorothwarriorofsunlight5471 her being trans is aside from the point, stay on topic

[@randomviewer391]

Words can't express how happy I am that you explained the difference between loving athropromorphized characters and actual animals. Keep up the great work Ponder.

[@Saibellus]

when in doubt, apply the harkness test uwu

[@pequenaesposa3286]

This, I hope they see my comment about the movie they wanted to know the name of (milo and otas)

[@justinambru8529]

I for one don't agree with this mindset, given this is the kind of things, people who make sexual art with kids use. To rationalize saying, ''it's not really pedophilia, cause I drawn it.'' Yeah as if that can't go horribly wrong.

[@InvaderBB]

⁠@@justinambru8529 That’s a whole other ball park mate. I get why you’re saying that but the difference between pedos and people that find anthrofurry characters hot is that people who find said anthrofurry characters hot don’t got out of their way to Jack it to drawings of the actual animal. Furries usually have human traits (such as human speech, bipedal movement, hell having the animals where clothes or have them in their own functioning members of society) to them hence why anthropomorphic exists. Unless there are people going out of their way to find sexual art of non anthro animals then I don’t think someone jacking off to Judy hopps is in the same lane as say this to the fuckers that are jerking it to drawn child porn because “oH iTs JuSt LiNeS.”

[@mumi-wd2rc]

@@justinambru8529 uh?

[@FillaneAmmisto]

I love how you tried to sound German while reading and ended up sounding like a German person imitating a French accent

[@Littlereddevil94]

I had a pug for 9 years. She was actually a victim of negligent owners so she was severely inbred. (Her grandfather was her father) for the most part she was healthy. We even had her checked out and treated the illness she had. She ended up passing from breast cancer when she was about 9-10yrs old. I still miss her. It's been four years since she passed. I could never do what a Zoophiles would've. I looked at the dog as my child never my mate.

[@cocothedino_2901]

same. i have a pit bull who ive known since a puppy. were close to the same size (90-100 lbs) but more than anything hes like a baby to me. watching his behavior, while hes smart enough to learn how to open doors or turn on lights, his thought process is very simplistic, childlike. he looks up to me as a provider since my family feeds cleans and medicates him. with how he behaves, how dependant he is, at 8 years old he is still a fuzzy child. wholy and truly the thought of him being sexualized by a human breaks my heart and terrifies me

[@Littlereddevil94]

@@cocothedino_2901 No animal deserves to be sexualized by humans. Just disgusting.

[@Silver_wind_1987_]

​@cocothedino_2901 My dog Harley, a German shepherd/cane corso/Rottweiler, mix is essentially a child she's so so sweet and a huge baby. She's like my child. She loves car rides and snacks.

[@songwolfwild2935]

God I was in the furry community when she first "came out" and it was fucking travesty watching everyone in unison yell at her (understandably) as she got into arguments

[@Its_Asteria]

yeah the community absolutely exploded with that one and I watched it happen in real time, and saw her video myself. The ASMR community, furry community and people who are either regulars or just general fans of pets/animals all collectively died inside and went into a rage with Sappho. she knew people would become outraged so she used that to her advantage, or well, tried to.

[@upscale9109]

@@Its_Asteria I feel like Sappho is a prime example why people bully furries in the first place, either their addicted to [18+ content], are actually chill but slightly still in the weird kid phase they won't grow out of, or (like Sappho) on their way to become enemy of the state and go beyond harming the furry community

[@kreeper803]

I love how you acknowledge that you were using kiwifarms partially while also saying that it's a good thing that kiwifarms was taken down. A lot of content creators will use that site without acknowledging that it's a horrible harrassment site. Lots of respect for that.

[@HowlFromBeyond]

Except you know, it's still up.

[@IratusEris]

what's that site about?

[@MOTHHMAN]

@@IratusEris its a site that's caused the suicide of multiple people because they promote continuous harassment of people. its a real nasty place that keeps getting taken down for how bad it is

[@Gourami_x]

@@MOTHHMAN Those are lies- nobody committed suicide because of fucking kiwifarms lmao. One of the guys is still alive and faked his death and the other had their suicide blamed on kiwifarms by their partner, even though they had severe mental problems and most likely weren't even aware of their 5 page thread.

[@coolcosmic4351]

@ferret Wishful thinking. But its very easy to mess with someone who ain't doing harmful stuff than it is to mess with someone who actually is doing harmful stuff.

[@trashman11]

I woke up my Chi just to hug her, she came from an abusive home. I couldn’t imagine my girl that makes my home worth coming back to after work everyday ending up with someone that would hurt her

[@parasitophobia]

It’s a super scary thought to imagine . I don’t have any animals of my own but it’s devastating when I hear about things of the nature. No animal deserves to go through that kind of thing and I’m happy that your pet has a loving home that treats her as she deserves .

[@trashman11]

@@parasitophobia Yah she’s everything to me, he’s was so scared and skinny when I first got her she was fearful of literal everything even her own food bowl. She did recover and filled out her little body(she’s actually a little chunky now lol) but what make me the most happy is her mood shift, she’s the happiest thing I’ve ever seen. She plays, HAS to be under the blankets snuggled up to sleep, and howls when she’s Uber hyped. She still struggles from her past. Hides behind me when she sees strangers, shakes when she hears the door getting knocked and it’s deathly afraid of paper plates.(we suspect that she was originally fed on paper plates around other dogs and is mentally scared with being bitten and chased off from food) If you want to see her she’s on my community tab(this is NOT an add for my channel I just love her and like people to see her)

[@nicodinisi]

I’m so mad she named her alias after Sappho the Ancient Greek poetess of Lesbos who was famous for writing love poems to both men and women 😭she’s an important historical figure to the wlw/nmlnm/lesbian community. Also she is incredibly irritating to listen to.

[@Kropothead]

Yeah, IRL Sappho was based as all fuck. Super badass lady. Hypnotist Sappho, very deeply cringe.

[@sillyd0g]

i'm so glad someone else pointed out how fucking obnoxious it is to listen to her. i can't really explain what it is that bothers me so damn much but her voice and cadence drive me absolutely bonkers.

[@lucidmoth1023]

We should reclaim the name

[@IamBardsongWolf]

Agreed. Why must nasty people do this..especially taking the Greek Alphabet & turning it into labels on Twitter..gross.

[@chocomelo454]

I have no darn clue why she named her alias after Sappho, historical lesbian icon, when she's a straight woman. like aside from poems sounding nice to listen to what does Sappho have to do with hypnotherapy? poems aren't even really used for hypnotherapy and not all poems are meant to be read with the same voice used for hypnotherapy I am just. huh

[@SDJHSFDH]

Idk if anyone else has mentioned this, but something I realized throughout the video was that despite zoophilia being constantly compared by zoophiles to homosexuality and how it was treated in the 70s etc, they word it very differently to how activists did back then. Instead of "love is love" and that homosexual love is not that different from heterosexual love, it's that zoophiles are BETTER at loving their pets than the normies. Would they consider everyone else, regardless of how they care for their pets, abusers because we don't sexually gratify them?

[@nekozhell]

i've been in quite a few heated arguments with people trying to claim that the fact that they identify as Therian and Otherkin give them a pass to be sexually attracted to animals. and it just made me lose my fucking marbles !!!

[@deltalunaris]

It's all excuses at the expense of innocent communities. I got into an hours-long debate with an aspiring dog breeder (you'll never guess the breed /s) who said that them knowing the 'intricacies and delicacies of dog breeding' would allow for them to be able to practice zoophilia with 'utmost love, dedication, and respect' towards BOTH dogs. Excuse me while I vomit, especially at the implications of a *dog breeder* doing this sick nonsense. Imagine finding out the breeder you bought your beloved GSD from saw its parents as MILF & DILF material respectively. That's a can of worms I'd rather throw into a pit of lava.

[@pyromaniacforhire]

@@deltalunaris Fuuuuuck, I shuddered reading that. Zoophiles and MAPs these days feel comfortable enough to talk openly at large about their attractions. Speaking truthfully, it's good that they feel open to talk about it, but that should be done *with therapists*; "attraction" can be a slippery slope, so they truly need to get help before they cross a line they can never uncross.

[@deltalunaris]

@@pyromaniacforhire Absolutely agreed. I know people feel strongly about these types, which is very understandable. I do too. But as mentioned in the video, some of these people are suffering from actual medical conditions like psychosis, etc. And, as you mentioned, they need serious treatment, rather than an echo chamber that boosts them into criminal behavior. It's easy to dehumanize, but we have to show them that we will accept them back into our ranks if they successfully dedicate themselves to getting the help they sorely need. Unfortunately, I couldn't do that with the dog breeder, since they were 1) far too gone with their medical skepticism, and 2) our interaction was over the internet. However, I've helped a long-time pal who confessed a year ago (to me & only me) that they were terrified of becoming a MAP because of 'the thoughts getting worse.' Turned out they were suffering from serious childhood trauma that they only remembered through trauma therapy (specifically EDMR, CBT only made things worse weirdly enough). The 'attraction' was their brain's way of saying 'hey, this is what happened to us, please believe me! I can't show you what actually happened because it was horrific, and we're not ready to face that!' It's not to say that all MAPs come from traumatic backgrounds of course, but it goes to show there may be lifechanging, treatable solutions for them nonetheless. Same goes for zoos. If anybody who *is* a MAP/zoo happens to be reading these comments: Please know that there is hope. It may seem like your attraction makes sense, if not 'justified', but that's what the trick is all about. You're distressed for a reason, and it's not because you're 'struggling to come to terms with what you really are.' Yes, you will have to accept that this is a part of you. But you can heal from it, just like many others have. Many mental health professionals are willing to help without hesitation, because they recognize it's clinical rather than a self-fulfilling magical curse. As long as you're willing to put down the bottle, you can be liberated from going down a path that will never end well. If these services are out of your reach, there are more and more free self-help resources by the day. So long as you have internet, you have the ability- if not the responsibility- to seek these out. It's never too late to make a better tomorrow, for yourself and all those who would be affected by your actions.

[@pyromaniacforhire]

@@deltalunaris As victims of rampant CSA, and CA in general, we can empathize with your friend a little bit. It manifested as multiple mental conditions for us, some of which were VERY hard to come to terms with after finally escaping that abusive world for a bit. There is one in particular that we have only had the courage to mention to our counselors and psychiatrist in the past two years, our DID System, due to the horrendous stigmas surrounding it; tried telling various people since we were younger that certain actions were not the result of the one(s) currently in control, and were usually hurt more for it. One of the more interesting things we learned by talking about it with professionals is that we are a rare system since we (a chunk of us, anyway) are able to be aware of what the others that front are doing ("non-amnesiac" we think is the term). One of our gfs have actually met all of us; she even compiled notes (which has REALLY helped when it comes to our therapy, since we can pass those along to them as a way to have a record). That said, we do wish many mental conditions weren't stigmatized as being just one way all the time (we have gone through 3 professionals so far just from Mentioning our system; "out of their wheelhouse" basically). For example, every other DID System we've met has been different from not only ours, but others as well. Sure, there ARE some shared traits, but not 100% down to the marrow. Sorry for piling all of that on you....

[@jamiedoesstuff5871]

as someone who 'kins (brain fucked up so bad it came up with a guy)... wwhat the actual fuck?

[@Lin_Linz_]

I just love how I picked a profession where my most respected colleague talks this long about something like this

[@dinofelisdruid78]

The idea of comparing the sexuality of queer people (consenting adults) to being attracted to animals (who cannot reasonably consent) on its own should be enough for someone to be thrown to the wolves- but not in that way.

[@yourlocalfestivefurry354]

Nah man wolves are too angry and also like 5ft standing so I don't think they could rape them before being eaten

[@jackwastakenx2]

Maybe you… shouldn’t through these people to the wolves, as you said

[@mellow_mallow]

Thrown to the industrial grinders

[@Chordata7]

​@@jackwastakenx2woodchipper

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

@@jackwastakenx2actually we should. Wolves wouldn’t take their shit, they’d just maul them

[@angelpixiegirl]

Your every dog has a different personality is spot on. My family had a miniature Pomeranian who loved cuddles, wasn’t into toys and would bark his head off at new people. After he passed away, we got the same breed and gender and this dog is hyper, loves toys, not much of a cuddler and doesn’t bark at new people. I don’t understand how people think all dogs are the same!

[@lulub517]

Yes! I’ve come to learn this from hanging out with friends/family dogs for either during party events or dog sitting and I learn how different they all are personality wise. My old boy (the dog on my profile) was a cranky independent yet very protective beautiful boy who didn’t enjoy cuddles or affection as much but he always came to comfort you when you were upset. My current dog is more people oriented and extroverted plus extremely clingy and codependent. He loves cuddles and often loves to lay into you (even if it hurts) he just wants cuddles all the time and he follows you around like an extra shadow. His mum was also like him, very cuddly and yet she had a calmness about her in some way too. All dogs have such unique personalities and it’s beautiful!

[@angelpixiegirl]

@@lulub517 Your old boy is cute 😍 I also noticed the same with Aussies that two different ones I dog sat were kinda similar but one hated dealing with my very hyper Pomeranian and the other would just lay there and let him jump around and playfully nip his ears. Both loved pets and cuddles, the one who didn't like dealing with Pomeranian is also super dramatic

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

Zoophiles don’t actually care about the animal. It’s all about their sexual experience and it’s a very selfish harmful thing to the animal. They try and act as if they care about the animal’s “true feelings” but really just use it as an excuse to act out their paraphilia.

[@zhawkmoth3653]

Also, thank you for going in-depth about paraphilias. It's so damn frustrating as a person who has done a lot of research regarding the topic of human sexuality to see so many idiots compare a paraphilia with orientation. Paraphilias can become chronic, I also believe that certain people can be born more prone to having them, so there is an innate and non-social component that exists there.. but it's NOT AN ORIENTATION! People seem to have this idea that if a component of sexuality cannot be changed, or if a part of it is innate, it qualifies as an orientation which is not true!

[@zhawkmoth3653]

You will also notice that males are more prone to paraphilias than females are, but females tend to more likely be bisexual/attracted to the same sex. When you look at Paedos and Zoos, you will notice the majority are natal male, which lines up with tendency for paraphilias. If zoophilia was an orientation, you'd think males and females would be more equally distributed. They are not.

[@stegosandrosos1291]

@@zhawkmoth3653 can I have a percentage of male with paraphilias and why is that are more comon male?

[@marzicainbutterdie3379]

So can you get rid of a paraphilia? If so how?

[@kosaciecsyberyjski]

​@@marzicainbutterdie3379 you can't get rid of it but you can manage it with the help of therapy if it's something dangerous or harmful. There's paraphilias that are harmless, but can still be "lessened" with the help of therapists

[@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong]

can you help me figure out why I have such a tenuous relationship with paraphilias? I've had a LOT, but for some reason I'll just lose interest sometimes forever and I pick up new ones seemingly as easily. (I feel the need to say in this context, I have never been into illegal stuff)

[@BonseyJonsey]

As someone who deals with very very troubling intrusive thoughts, Not animal stuff, but a lot of other things, I'm very lucky I wasn't exposed to these sort of communities as a kid. Even at 19 now, I'm ridiculously easy to manipulate because of how easy it is to gain my trust (working on that) and I can only imagine how easy it would've been for people like this to convince me that my intrusive thoughts caused by CSA (I couldn't even remember). With my BPD, I have such a black and white mindset that it terrifies me to think of how different things could've been if I'd gotten unlucky like other kids. Your content, and content similar, is so fucking important.

[@TecTitan]

I think I used to trust people easily because I want to believe the vast majority of people are purely good in nature It isn't something I want to change my mind about. I just imagine this sort of thing was the source of my problems being quickly and easily vulnerable to others.

[@Interstellarpool176]

i have that exact problem, being manipulated i mean

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

I think it's crucial to realize that intrusive thoughts are far more common than people like to admit. When I had a baby, I was warned that the physical and mental stress, hormonal changes, and lack of sleep can do stuff to your brain. And that there's a difference between a thought and an urge. I feel like we all missed out on some crucial lessons on mental hygiene. The more shame we feel about thoughts, the more persistent they often are, and the more we get convinced that there's something real behind those thoughts, rather than our brains being weird for a moment. We don't kick ourselves over having weird dreams, usually.

[@_pyroxenic]

Im just a little older than you at age 20. Ive had horrible intrusive thoughts since i was in middle school and unfortenatly i was surrounded by content like Sappho's and other disgusting shit at a young age that made my intrusive thoughts even worse and thought i was genuinely some sort of criminal in hidding, this went on for several years. But as i got older i got less Intrusive thoughte and am trying to pull myself off the rabbit hole i got myself into. And i also got BPD myself with horrible black and white thinking as well so i get you there. Im glad to hear you werent on that side of the internet at younger age honestly.

[@pequenaesposa3286]

People really confuse intrusive thoughts with impulsive ones, intrusive thoughts make people want to stop existing they are things your brain makes to that make you feel uncomfortable so if you are uncomfortable by those things you don't actually want to do them or think about them. Impulsive thoughts can be things like "I wanna kick this child" or "I just want to throw this at the wall" they are normal and natural and while intrusive thoughts are too they are very harmful to the people who have them and only come with severe lack of mental health like stress or mental illness. You're doing great my friend 💕

[@DefinedVines]

as a zoology major emphasizing classes on animal behavior and psychology, i can confidently say that you don't even need to get into this detailed, albeit well-researched and well-thought-out analysis on why exactly it's wrong to commit sexual acts on animals. like, dude, they're animals. they can't consent, their intelligence is too low. that's all the explanation needed. it's gross and disturbing what lengths these people go to to justify it, even trying to say they are supposedly doing it "consensually" and "without harming the animal." really saddens me how they desperately try to plaster it with a fruity coat of paint.

[@cocothedino_2901]

whats most tragic is how these poor animals arent at all protected legally from these predators. referring to one of the mentioned zoo sadists in the beginning of the video. he sexually abused multiple dogs TO DEATH and was only legally punished after kidnapping his neighbors 2 dogs and including them in snuff videos. his punishment being,,, a fine of about 500 dollars if im remembering correctly

[@dr00g35]

@@cocothedino_2901 should have gotten 500 bullets

[@aurizzistic]

Who was that woman who decided to jerk off her dolphin she was trying to teach how to talk? This post reminded me of that lul

[@Saibellus]

the core of even talking about consent re: animals is immediately complicated by the fact that humans have a concept of culture and social expectation. it isnt pretty to think about, but the animal kingdom is not exactly rife with romanticism. a lot of the sex animals engage in is explicitly not pleasurable and at best merely a function of the drive to breed. you cannot map ANY human concepts, like partnership or consent, to a dog. pets are great! they have responses to us that we see as affection, they bond with us, they produce chemicals we associate with love...but we can never say a dog loves a human the way a human loves another human. which is fine! but it means that even if a dog sincerely "wants" to have sex with its owner, which yes, many dogs (and other animals) do, that doesnt mean the same thing to them that it would in a human relationship. it is not consent because consent requires a theory of mind and a social contract. its like...a human can never be a fish even if it swims well and uses an air tank, because that which defines a fish is not participation in the behavior alone but an innate aspect of the creature doing those things.

[@DefinedVines]

@@Saibellus yes indeed!!! it's been a while since i made this comment here wow, but i would change one thing about my phrasing: it's not that animals' intelligence is "too low", it's that as completely different species with very different brain makeup, and the lack of intense social culture and customs that humans have developed, there is simply no way for an animal to consent to human sex... even if "the animal approached me/it seems like they're enjoying it/aren't getting physically hurt" or something like that, they wouldn't understand the implications, and as a person with a much more highly developed understanding of the situation it should be ON YOU to just... not do that with the animal?? it's really not that deep and zoophiles truly cope extremely hard on their heavily flawed excuses to attempt to justify doing what they do

[@ava_marie_v]

As a vet tech studying to be a vet, her video made me want to scream and I'm glad you're covering it because I know you'll do it justice. People like this that convince themselves they aren't doing harm and project their own feelings onto helpless, innocent animals truly make me ill and I hate that they're manipulative enough to convince vulnerable people that they aren't doing harm, even when they are.

[@upscale9109]

As a straight person . Anything Sappho related makes me want to die just as much as anyone else be goddamnit we live on a constant warzone

[@ava_marie_v]

@@upscale9109 Yikes. Being a homophobe isn't what I'd call "normal."

[@upscale9109]

@@ava_marie_v I'm not trying to be homophobic, I'm just trying to say that I'm not gay

[@ava_marie_v]

@@upscale9109 The word for that is straight, dude, not "normal." Saying that being gay is abnormal is really offensive. Also, "anything people like to be" is super homophobic. We don't choose our sexualities.

[@upscale9109]

@@ava_marie_v can we stop this argument before more fuel is added to a fire I inadvertently started by saying one wrong word

[@Thenumberstationangel]

The oddest thing about this is that fact that despite them trying to hold it up like it's a sexuality, they don't even bother using similar language. Like, they're no such thing as a "Non-practicing gay person" Y'know.

[@kodakasaur9518]

I wonder if that would just be a gay person who’s single and isn’t looking for anyone at the moment.

[@Kropothead]

Well, there are a few. They tend to come from evangelical backgrounds that lead them to internalize the “hate the sin, love the sinner” rhetoric. Makes me sad for them. They still identify as gay, but they talk about it like a life threatening disease that’s in remission.

[@Thenumberstationangel]

@@Kropothead I disagree, since 1) that’s not a major facet of the movement 2) the debate is about the abstract concept of sin, not the actual ability to consent

[@sillyd0g]

i mean there absolutely are though. there are gay people within evangelical christian communities (and probably other religious communities but thats the big one) who will tout themselves as ex homosexuals or non practicing homosexuals and either get married to someone they do not and cannot love or commit to a life of celibacy because they've been conditioned to believe that it's better for them to live in repression and misery than to act on their """"sinful"""" desires. that being said it's still not the same thing as people who proudly tout themselves as non practicing zoophiles or pedophiles because acting on pedophilic or zoophilic desires inherently causes extreme harm to the child or animal, whereas acting on your desire to have gay sex with another consenting adult is based as fuck.

[@ladyvictoria820]

​@@sillyd0g That's not being a "non practicing gay" That’s just internalized homophobia babes 😂

[@xxpandagalaxyxx5655]

Thank you for referring to zoophilia as a paraphilia and not a sexuality. I watched so many videos of people who are against this shit but still mistakenly refer to zoophilia as sexuality, not realizing that they are inadvertently spreading their narrative. They are the ones who started to refer to this as a sexuality so labeled as a sexuality so that they can integrate into the lgbt community and gain acceptance. Do NOT fall for their bullshit. Same thing for pedos. (fun fact: pedophilia and zoophilia are connected and often go hand in hand as both are about taking advantage of a small, innocent creature.)

[@lucasl202-61]

I'm only partway through the first like, 10 ish minutes but, I'll comment anyways. I never watched Sapho, but I was aware of her in the ASMR community, being in it myself(just a consumer). People were already talking about some of the red flags she showed off in her discord, or her "sessions"/videos. When I found her "coming out video" I stopped focusing and zoned out the moment she compared LGBTQ to Zoophilia. I want to call it careless. But it's not, it's so calculated. I'm a queer trans guy, what she said was genuinely painful to listen to. It disregards so much and tries to drag as much sympathy from as many people as possible, and even tries to tie in a community that's been fighting for the most basic shit since colonization. I'm so glad you're covering this, regardless of how old it is, thank you.

[@SoutaCherry]

I just heard about this drama recently

[@hydrofalls8154]

I wish I could find this video.

[@E3AloeLi]

I’m a trans guy too, and I was r worded by someone I trusted, seeing Sappho do this to kids was horrible

[@lucasl202-61]

@@E3AloeLi I'm sorry that happened to you Ghost, I hope things are better for you now? (Apologies if I sound sarcastic, work was not fun for me today)

[@plague_doctor0237]

@@nellie__ god, that thing about hilariously scary, why is almost nobody talking about it?

[@emilytheartist2915]

Something else cuz I feel strongly about this and these degens bring it up alot: Dogs humping is not always sexual. It is a display of dominance and to try and say "hey, I'M the alpha!" Basically, the dog is saying ur it's b!tch when it does that lol. Point is, humping does not equal sexual consent.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

yup. My grandma had a female dog, and there was a family member's female dog who would hump her when that family would visit. I'm pretty sure there isn't a whole lot a female dog on top could get out of that action anatomically

[@MartianCandies]

Lmaooo yes my cousin has this dog who just humps everyone who comes over sksksk but he's so nice once you stop him after a few moments to just let him feel like he's the top dog I love him

[@MartianCandies]

@@Romanticoutlaw my grandmas dog also did this to her other dog when she was maturing! Both females and she'd also do it to me during play. It was basically always a playful like thing and she grew out of it. They're just being dogs, it's degens who sexualize that normal dog behavior and it's sickening. If they're just playing, esp females together and males together, there shouldn't be a problem, they're engaging in natural behavior But side note my childhood dog was actually gay he never wanted anything to do w female dogs even tho my uncle tried breeding him (he was a special purebred American bully with very special parents), but he actually tried doing it with a family friends male dog lmaoooo like full on lmaooo obviously it was stopped but it's a funny story I wanted to share of dogs being dogs with other dogs *like it should be*

[@jojo-7306]

Even when it is sexual, it's an instinctive behavior. The dog is horny, so it humps. That doesn't equate to consent. If someone with a dick is horny and gets a boner, that doesn't mean you can just decide to have sex with them. They have to actually consent to it. Just acting horny isn't enough to determine that it's okay to have sex with someone. There kind of has to be more complex psychological processing involved there to understand consent and then there has to be a way of communication that's nuanced enough to fully express that consent or lack thereof. Neither of which dogs have

[@kodakasaur9518]

So it’s like T-posing?

[@croak3048]

it actually took me two years of watching you to finally notice that that the green guys 'hair shine' was an eye

[@johnDoe-gv8si]

wait WHAT

[@thelingeringartist]

You’re messing with me right?!

[@enderwalkgang]

Ikr

[@scottyb8392]

The implication that “the reason you don’t think animals can consent is because you underestimate their intelligence” is so funny to me as a dog owner. Like, if I dropped a blob of paint on the ground my dog would probably run over to try and eat it. She’s dumb, she’s a baby. And it is my job to make decisions for her because she doesn’t know better! If my dog can’t be trusted not to eat food that would kill her, she can’t be trusted to consent to heinous inter-species acts… Y’know, Fucking obviously

[@Alcoholic.uncle.]

Sometimes I have intrusive thoughts about animals, not inherently sexual but rather violent. The diffrence is I dont act out on them, and I seek help. Sappho does the opposite, making her someone who shouldnt be trusted in general, due to her nature of acting out on intrusive thoughts. Next thing you know she'll stab your eye out because "her brain told her to owo" yeesh.

[@klltx2001]

Sappho's intrusive thoughts aren't even that either. She acts on them and thus they're more impulsive that intrusive. Her calling them intrusive is honestly not surprising to me since people like this tend to use it as an excuse to do stuff like that. >.> Like, bitch (Sappho the bitch, not you) I have intrusive thoughts about animals, like ACTUALLY intrusive ones, I get horrified to the point of not looking at the family dog for weeks and it makes you worry if you're actually a bad person. THAT'S what intrusive thoughts do, god I never heard of the intrusive thoughts thing she used until this video and it's infuriating me in your replies sorry. ^^'''

[@Alcoholic.uncle.]

@@klltx2001 dont worry haha im not suprised. Sappho is just a gross animal fucker and she cant "but they enjoyed it" her way outta this one. Seriously we need to bring back harassment in some cases

[@decaying_dante]

not to mention how intrusive thoughts are usually disturbing or upsetting to experience. i've damn near vomitted from some of the worst of mine. hence why they're /intrusive/. but she actively enjoys and invites those thoughts. the fact that she 1. had these thoughts 2. invited and enjoyed them and THEN 3. didn't seek help.

[@upscale9109]

@@multivitaminburrit0820 At this point someone can start sacrificing Sappho to Satan and the entirety of Earth's population would collectively join despite religion or anything else

[@AmaryInkawult]

I can't blame you about Ravencroft's voice work. His voice could move mountains.

[@hopesnotfound7776]

I like how if you didn't pay attention to the whole video, this comment seems really random lmao XD

[@upscale9109]

Bet his voice so bassy it can make a subwoofer w o b b l e

[@theblackcatgirl7013]

I remember a couple commenters saying that "She didn't 'come out' for the hell of it, she was probably getting exposed and she wanted to get ahead" Seems that was the case 10:42 Thank you for bringing this to light!

[@terminallyunfunny9728]

The part with Spink takes this from 100 to 1 million holy shit. That man is a monster, and I hope he doesn't have access to animals ever again. Edi: nvm hes dead oops

[@frogkiing7308]

It's probably already been commented already but as someone who works with animals (though not so much with dogs); Artificial insemination isn't purely used for mass breeding mills! Many times it's used because it's safer and less forceful than the normal mating of the animal (eg bulls can injure cows) or using sperm from across the country in order to breed for specific genes. It's not painful or horrible for the animal as it's typically only done when the animal is in heat anyway and measures are taken to make sure the animal is, for a lack of wording, 'in the mood' (eg sitting on a pigs back to replicate the weight a boar would have). this is just to make the animal as comfortable as possible during what's usually a very quick proceedure - which is a LOT more than i can say what a lot of zoos do :/ half of them dont nearly have as much care for the animal

[@KatKit52]

The "u" symbol you show Sappho as having is actually the greek letter "mu" (thanks Love Live). So "zetamu" are the english transcriptions of the two greek symbols that Sappho uses: "zeta" for the zoophilia stuff and "mu" for the MAP stuff.

[@lazurrluna]

2:34:26 "Foreshadowing is a narrative device in which a storyteller gives an advance hint of what is to come later in the story..."

[@seacaptainminto7169]

25:00 This part right here made me feel extremely called out but also realize the current personal relationship I'm in. I never thought it was abuse. When you explained it that way it honestly opened my eyes in a video I didn't expect to get it from. Thank you so much for your content

[@octomarz268]

I'd like to add onto the point on cartoon animals- as an autistic person(at least I think that might be what causes this) it is/was hard for my brain to decipher fiction and reality. So even now, when an animal talks and can reason and hold a conversation, chances are I'll end up with a crush on that character. I like how you mention warrior cats, too, because that series and the culture within is heavilt based on living in the forest and having little to no interaction with humans.

[@ettaetta439]

You're attracted to the human characteristics in the animal, not the animal itself. Makes sense. When I was a kid, I had a huge crush on Nala from the Lion King. Did I grow up to be a furry? No. Did I want to bang a lion? No. Every time I imagined Nala in my head, I imagined a human. It created a dissonance in me wherein I looked at the screen and was like "wait, they're lions?" But for others, they may fully acknowledge that these characters are lions, but are only attracted to them because 1. They can communicate 2. They have a charming personality and 3, the most important one: they're mentally mature enough to remind you of a human your age or above. Also they're not in your home sniffing at you and peeing in your shoes, they're fully independent beings. Much how like DnD players are always trying to bang dragons, half of the enjoyment is in how fantasy-like the creature is, and ripped away from our reality.

[@starrycharacter]

Imagine carrying a child for nine months loving them trying to give them the support they need to grow into healthy being and then coming to you and tell you how they want to f*** a dog

[@smt64productions40]

Oh no XD

[@apocalypserising1026]

Time to be like omni man

[@starrycharacter]

@@apocalypserising1026 I've actually never watched that could you explain the reference?/gen

[@apocalypserising1026]

@@starrycharacter omni man beats the shit out of his son and says he can just make another one

[@starrycharacter]

@@apocalypserising1026 Look I don't condone abuse but if you abuse an animal......

[@vladerag]

So, a small correction: the "~" or squiggle as you call it (it is called a tilde) does _not_ mean "less than," it means "about" or "approximately." So when Sappho is saying that she is attracted to some people ~16 - 18 years old, what she means is that she is attracted to some people from roughly sixteen to eighteen. This isn't a dog whistle- is what I would say, but it actually kind of is. See, here is the thing. On the surface, knowing what the tilde means in this context would imply that this isn't a dog whistle for her liking people even younger, except that the way she constructs the statement actually changes the meaning. See, for example, if someone writes "~30 min," that means that it will be around 30 minutes, but could be above or below. In her statement, Sappho takes the time to specify the range above 16 ( 16 - 18), which means that the approximation that the tilde is implying can only include ages _below_ 16. It is the kind of thing someone might write if they really didn't want to say that they were attracted to people younger than 16 but still wanted to say that.

[@mycatateit284]

thank you for clarifying i was taught that ~=about in school and hearing her say what was kinda the opposite made me question my education lmao

[@SugarDreamsArt]

The more I watch this, the more I die a little on the inside.

[@lucasl202-61]

I think our lives are gonna end up in the negatives😭

[@Veryfreshveryflourish24]

Cecil mcfly already made me face the reality

[@castorwolf15]

As a vet tech, thank you for talking about Sappho. I’ve seen so many videos made on her, and it’s awful to think that she not only tries to justify what she does/thinks about animals, but also manipulates kids into thinking it’s normal and okay

[@Thumin]

Hello Darkness, My Old Friend...

[@greenbird6435]

I've come to talk to you again...

[@flutterbuns892]

As someone who suffers from several disorders, i get vomit material intrusive thoughts and it makes me sick. Sappho is legitimately such an insane and dangerous individual, im in the hypnosis ( kimk ) community and you pointing out the way she spoke in her " coming out " video is so important to me because as much as i love the hypno community theres so many dangerous people and you pointing out tactics they use covertly makes me feel relieved because nobody brought it up before hand.

[@xxanonymessxx]

The pink cat forshadowing on rewatch kinda scared me lol

[@rottika]

I'm glad to see someone actually go over and refute the terrible arguments that Sappho made in her video. As much as I love Toad McKinley's videos on Spink and the Zooier Than Thou podcast (and know why he didn't bother debunking their terrible arguments), I think that it is important to really look at and pick apart the other side, because impressionable children who may not be able to yet understand why Zoophilia is inherently rooted in @buse and r@pe, could very well be swayed into these horrifying beliefs if they don't fully examine both sides.

[@meltedangel]

omg rottika

[@addendumBeekeeper]

“long content to draw to” me remembering i do art because my life is currently consumed by crochet and yet i still use the same thing to stimulate my brain no matter the medium

[@confettiveda2460]

Sappho: We only engage with s*xually mature animals. Dude she's Interviewing: Anyways I'm grooming this dog-

[@lavipurple6589]

Huh the pink cat reference was some good foreshadowing to Ponder’s future video.

[@magentialice]

sapho is honestly fucking terrifying and when the situation first broke out I couldn't sit through a single video commenting on it because she reminded me of someone who groomed me. This is the like second video on her that I could actually stomach and it was purely because I knew you were going to refute each and every point she made instead of simply calling her gross and ending the day. I know its weird but it feels like someone actually in my corner that way instead of facing something terrible alone versus hollow platitudes.

[@McChicken03]

Ponder as always is about to throw hands, and SLAM down Sappho.

[@noranizaazmi6523]

German suplex!

[@ArtFromAurora]

And here comes ponder with the steel chair!!!

[@InWinds]

Haven't finished the video yet, the premiere is still ongoing as I'm writing this, but I've rewinded it completely since I missed out. But in regards to the intro, Yes, this video is important! And it's important to debunk claims from zoos rather than rely on pushing it off (which can be effective in its own right, don't get me wrong). As a furry, I noticed our community instantly blocks, harasses, and effectively shuns these zoophiles: which is good, obviously, and deserved. But there is a backfire to this; zoos are forced into a tight subcircle, and when a minor falls into this closed off circle, and possibly groomed, all outsiders with the attacks are suddenly seen as unreasonable. We do need to debunk claims from zoos, and give it time to linger on these discussions, because although it's an obvious wrong, the more we provide 0 explanation, the more kids fall into that tight-knit community that is actively trying to convince said kids. If you're a young & naive, and you're sinking into something that is closed off from the rest of the community, you're more likely to listen to those providing more in depth reasoning- even if it's flawed- than those who aren't giving it the time & day and trying to get the situation resolved as quickly as possible. I think maybe the furry community is tired of being shunned itself and associated with zoos, and we try to get dramas like these done & over as quickly as it can be in order to bring less attention to us, but thats just a thought.

[@jamiedoesstuff5871]

yeah, i feel for those kids tbh. they need help, not to be pushed back into the pit of vipers to get abused :(

[@mileidyclass]

I wonder if young adults (people 18 - 24) could be groomed into z00ph1l1a (or paraphilias in general) just like kids and teens can, since young adults can be just as naïve as kids and teens. I know young adults would obviously be more mentally mature, but still. (After all, our brains don't fully develop 'til age 25 or 30.)

[@coinlockerbaby578]

@@mileidyclass This absolutely does happen.

[@Diluted_Insanity]

@@mileidyclass the human brain fully develops around 24-26 years of age. In this stage the brain is finalising the overall details of a person's personality through figuring out their moral compass and what they particularly abide by. This means that technically speaking yes, people of 18-24 years of age can be manipulated, granted they are not a gullible person because then they are easily manipulated no matter the age. Hope this helps, I'd suggest reading the DSM5 (and DSM6 once the current one is updated) to learn more about the development of the brain if you're curious on this

[@schedar_cassiopeia]

agree. we may think it’s “common sense”, and while it sure can be, there’s also the problem of intrusive thoughts. i have adhd and anxiety which causes me to think HORRIBLE things and for the longest time i thought i was just an awful person because the definitions of intrusive thoughts just didn’t click in my brain (i have very bad reading comprehension) now i know i don’t actually want to screw animals and kill babies, but i know that zoophiles and other philes will target people with intrusive thoughts and try to convince them that those thoughts are how they truly feel. it’s an awful, yet likely effective, manipulation tactic, and is likely what sappho did to that 14 year old and many more.

[@whostheplum1711]

I put this on while at work for something to listen to in my ear. I did not realize this would be nearly four hours of horror. Hope your voice is okay after speaking in a marathon about this holy shit good on you.

[@dummyyogurt5375]

I think the main problem with these guys is that they think pleasure = consent. they think zoosadism is bad because the victim can't get any sort of physical pleasure from it, whereas pdfilia is okay because the child *could* get physical pleasure from it. they don't recognize the long term consequences of these things, they can't comprehend that what brings the body pleasure in the moment can and will cause long lasting trauma.

[@izachi-chan2432]

Everytime they reffered to animals as their "Mates" I swear I lost life spams Thanks for suffering for us Ponder!

[@leurunner4764]

The ways I accept humans calling others their "mates" is things like : "Good day, mates." "First mate (ship personnel)" or "That's my mate (friend) X".

[@izachi-chan2432]

​@@leurunner4764 Oh same! If it's on this context it's 100% ok

[@NUISANCE_ANIMAL]

WHY DID I READ THIS AS “LIFE SPASMS⁉️⁉️⁉️”

[@starri__]

Hi everyone enjoy the vid and get some good snacks or a meal for this vid, also enjoy drawing i bet they will all look wonderful♥

[@theonlyjer]

Ponder, you remember they video about the guy who was marrying Twilght Sparkle? The guy seems normal now.

[@floressa3504]

This video is very well done, thank you for bringing this to light and make us more aware of this people. On the downside watching you use stone tools for the first two hours in the minecraft gameplay background has caused me to break into tears

[@kombuchaenjoyer]

hearing zoos talk is like applying anti-wrinkle creme on a brain

[@bulcanworks]

very early on in the video but holy shit, finally somebody else mentioned the way *hypnotist* sappho spoke throughout the video, im lucky it was sped up here because i couldn’t sit through the original because of how badly it irritated me. it’s the way she’d let her speech drift til a soft but noticeable pronounced s or t, the way she’d pauses after “and”. there was a constant feeling of unease with the soft way of speaking as if it were on purpose. esp with the dubious consent of some of her hypno sessions. gross. calling herself momma, fantasising about manipulating those far younger than her, even her gentle speech is untrustworthy and gives me the creeps.

[@LocalDimwit]

"I don't think to many of you guys care when a video I cover was made so long as you get some juicy long form content to draw to" *HELP I FEEL SO INCREDIBLY CALLED OUT*

[@NUISANCE_ANIMAL]

as someone who can’t draw to save my life, i’m just glad i get a 2x speed button😌

[@rexle132]

Deadass, after watching EssenceofThought's videos about Lily Orchard, after listening the beginning of the video, I thought you were going to be talking about Lily Orchard, but as soon as you said Hypnotis' name, I audibly said "oh no" in pure horror

[@aphrodite2503]

Thank you to ponder sprocket. You made me realize that my intrusive thoughts are serious and i need to talk to someone about it. Im not a zoophile beasialist or pedophile but i do have intrusive thoughts about that and have been diagnosed with unspecified psychosis. Im getting on medicine and getting the help i need. Thank you for helping me speak up about this.

[@AlchemistKai]

2:43:39 Watching ponder freak out about losing track of a frog is gold to me

[@SqueenTangerine]

I always side eye people who bring up cancel culture as to reasons why their behavior would be seen as inappropriate. 5 out of 4 times, what they really mean is "don't call me out for being a jackass" or "I'm about to say something incredibly messed up and don't wanna take responsibility for it". It just means they wanna say and do horrendous things without any consequences. I'm just genuinely surprised she didn't try to use racism as an excuse for why everyone is so uncomfortable with her paraphilia. Edit: fish???? FISH???? 🤢🤮