The reason you LOVE The Avengers! | Avengers: Ultron Unlimited

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[@comicpop]

We were looking into the etymology of some of the language used in this comic, and in turn used in this episode, and wanted to apologize for our use of said language without context. We promise to be more careful in our language choices in future episodes, and we only ask for your patience as we continue to grow and improve as people.

[@lucyinchat]

Glad you have! I really like the word Roma instead.

[@danieljames9322]

Please. Swear to your hearts content.

[@mikelmcknight72]

Intent matters, as you cannot control what others choose to let offend them.

[@bignoasted2701]

​@@mikelmcknight72it is certainly much more complicated than that there is a race of people who have been mislabeled for like 400 years

[@chrisdaily2077]

Ultron's master plans range from killing all of humanity to forcing his dad to make him a girlfriend out of the brainwaves from his dad's girlfriend.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

I love how Ultron subverts the whole “the evil AI is only evil because it doesn’t understand human emotions” trope by just being the pettiest motherfucker in the entire Marvel universe. Dude tried to cuck his own father with a robot clone of his dad’s girlfriend. That’s Oldboy levels of fucked-up revenge schemes, and it’s amazing

[@hobbes6392]

She’s named Jocasta, that’s not even a clever pun it’s literally the name of Oedipus’ mother, ya know the myth about the guy who bangs his mom.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

@@hobbes6392 “Have you ever heard of wincest?” - Ultron, probably

[@sombrashadow0013]

The benefits of having a birthday on a Wednesday. Best birthday present ever. Love you guys

[@ctl6985]

Happy birthday

[@TupocalypseShakur]

What a coincidence, it's my birthday too

[@sombrashadow0013]

@@TupocalypseShakur That's awesome! Happy birthday 🎂 🥳

[@sombrashadow0013]

@@ctl6985 thank you

[@TupocalypseShakur]

@@sombrashadow0013 thanks, happy Birthday to you too

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Hearing an Ultron 8 is a better father than you reference was like someone hitting me over the head with nostalgia. With a bat.

[@vfxninja5503]

Or perhaps like being struck with a nostalgia crowbar

[@sephirothii13]

Talking about the Marvel printing, They still print the Dragonlance books and they are 40 years old. How many old Stephen King stories do they reprint and keep stocked? One of the reasons I got more into DC is because I could find old GL and WW trades.

[@kevinmarques7716]

Funny Ben talks about it being gross that Ultron based his bride on his "mom" Jan because that's exactly why her name is Jocasta. Jocasta is the name of Oedipus' mother from the Greek tragedy. Hence the term Oedipus Complex

[@anothercleverusername992]

_"I mean, we DID save you from Alchema.... Apparently you needed that..."_ 😂🤣😂🤣 Ben's delivery and facial expression when he said that was SO perfect and fucking hilarious.

[@pranavmadathil7942]

Hey guys! HUGE fan. Was wondering if you'd be interested in doing Batman: No Man's Land anytime soon? Can't wait for the next Ultimate Spider-Man too😶🤞

[@SpiralSine6]

Sal’s talked about NML before, he’s said that one of the problems doing it was that it’s just so damn big. It isn’t as much an event as it is a publishing label for a lot of titles for like a year.

[@sayedaadel5355]

I've been coming back to back issues since I was 16 im 23 rn I

[@mickeymouse7726]

George Perez is a legend man

[@dragonman969]

47:16 that’s why she’s Jocasta The Oedipus myth

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

“Have you ever heard of wincest?” - Ultron, probably

[@MrFtpforlife]

I was an Avengers West Coast fan, especially the John Byrne era but I do agree growing up X Men seemed way cooler lol

[@comixproviderftw_02]

1:45-2:16 Damn… Now you got me curious

[@barraki6706]

I’ve been waiting for you to cover a story from Kurt Busiek’s Avengers for years now!

[@rayfarr2115]

AGGHHH THAT YELLOW LANTERN LOOKS SO COOL ON YOUR SHELF!!! :)

[@aidanalvarez5486]

16:55 Triathlon is 3X fast? I didn’t know marvel owned the rights for Char Aznable from Gundam 😉

[@unodestosdiaz2998]

I got this story in an oversized spanish bargain trade paperback for $3.95 in a book fair in Panamá, with a weird cover from (in the time of publication) popular artist Adi Granov, with half of the roster on it not appearing in the comic, I printed I high quality version os de Busiek/Perez 25th issue and pasted over it. One of my most appreciated books in the collection. Saludos.

[@LegendOfTheBat]

The end conversation about the frustrating Epic Collection printing was cathartic to hear. Great idea about the Image movie too!

[@enrajbroin]

47:20 that's probably why she was named Jocasta, the name of Oedipus' mother-wife

[@andrewfoerster6864]

Miles teller for Todd MacFarlane

[@barraki6706]

(40:28) Imagine if that actually happened! Ultron: NOW GO! Army: *Yes, my queen!* Ultron: *groan* I do wish they wouldn’t call me that.

[@samslash9]

If we are stunt acting this, I'd say Leo dicaprio plays rob leifeld and miles teller plays todd MacFarlane

[@granaff]

I feel like Back Issues has just become better and better. It's like The Wire of youtube shows.

[@granaff]

And the scriptwriters and actors are just so talented...😅

[@JLD22591]

Sounds like you guys want to see a story with Ultron-Voltron. I would read that. Since it would likely be made up of five ultrons you could call it V-Ultron.

[@YouCalledForTheDoc]

I think technically Annihilation Conquest had a massive Ultron made from phalanx, cyborg kree and kree sentinels fused with Ultron

[@willcrouch2359]

Well thanks to you I now know about the legendary NFL Super Pro. Thanks I guess lol

[@OreoBrawl]

…ohhhhhh so thats why she’s called Jocasta

[@brianadkins3880]

9:50 to 10:00 Scarlet Witch #1 was at number 22 out of 200 comic books in sales in June. Ha ha. lol

[@brendanobrien8198]

“And you’re probably asking, was hiring all these artist smart? Absolutely Fucking Not.”

[@justjackson7152]

Adrian Brody as Todd McFarlane for the Image movie

[@Gertie_13]

Are these they with the cut to “Who talks like that?” Had me laughing so hard I had to pause the video

[@yabbadabbindude]

Awesome episode thank you

[@princeparker8797]

Next episode should be about NFL super pro

[@calvinjluther]

Apropos of nothing, I just realized that I can't keep Ultron and Red Tornado separated in my head.

[@ninja1man4u]

Sweet!! New back issues!

[@comicsmisexplained]

@1:10:37 Todd McFarlane should be played by John Turturro. Need the Disney de-aging machine

[@thekidry5551]

This was my favorite episode of you guys 😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@MrCeratix]

Avengers: End of Ultron "One hell of a lie to sell everyone" - ComicPop

[@IzzysIssues]

Your Pym voice in this reminds me of Linkara's Superboy Prime voice

[@cheej5529]

I’m calling it now, the “unforgivable art” book sal’s talking about is foreshadowing him subjecting Ben and Ethan to Ultimates 3.

[@rayfarr2115]

GREAT VIDEO GUYS!!!

[@flyboythemaster81]

Nice yellow power battery

[@lazarussolomon3541]

15:51 So wait in this story is just the Avengers version of the fbi vs Scientology?

[@TheVegeta67]

Ethan's comment on Marvel being afraid of going bankrupted again from releasing too many books is funny to me since currently I think Marvel has released over 80 puts in the first few months of this year alone.

[@bluespaceman7937]

Right now their strategy seems to be flooding the market to reduce the competition's share.

[@TheVegeta67]

@@bluespaceman7937 And to have people on social media go "Look Marvel can give their B listers books. Why can't DC."

[@ftfasttalkfoodreviewsyt]

ok. 3d mans cool. wait till marvel sees my pitch!

[@KyleBrand]

Oh man, now you guys hyped up that horrible book, you need to do that episode!!

[@kezman12993]

Avengers: One More Ultron

[@tmc272]

The name "Jocasta" comes from the mom from Oedipus Rex.

[@kdm7755]

Is that a Smallville Doomsday t-shirt?

[@mylessmith8059]

When are your guys gonna do planetary

[@pranavmadathil7942]

Petition for a Heroes Reborn episode🤞🤞🤞

[@MrAmateurNerd]

Great episode! I'd just like to advise you to be careful when using the word "gypsy". A lot of people who fall under this category feel that it's offensive or even a racial slur and would prefer to be called Roma or Sinti :)

[@FlipFlab]

Who cares lmfao

[@Darthvader3070]

Just a comment on the Jocasta and Ultron being together is kind of "incestuous" debate. Isn't that why she's named Jocasta? Jocasta was a Greek mythological woman that married her son. Just food for thought!

[@sethh.5601]

Algorithm boost!

[@davidgalvez5341]

I find funny that Sal dismisses the Avengers as never having been cool just because he never cared for them personally and 'cause they weren't best sellers. Popular and cool aren't necessarily the same thing.

[@comicpop]

Glad you think it's funny! Thanks for watching!

[@kiptelgat]

Ultron doesnt know wifi because hes a boomer

[@gartrellwhite7504]

Firestar had a costume and mask change courtesy of Hank Pym. Previous to the restart of Avengers, Firestar's X-gene had a deficiency that didn't protect her body from her microwave powers, leaving her susceptible to cancer. Hank created that costume to absorb the microwave radiation.

[@comicpop]

Cool.

[@robertparkhurst4034]

So her ability to shoot and catch on fire was not something that her body had adapted to via the X gene, so she could use her powers but they acted as if she were any human that suddenly started shooting off fire… fitting. Yet at the same time, feels like the equivalent of if Ice Man constantly gave himself Frostbite. Guess she’s just a rank below in that sense

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Thor saying "Ultron, we would have words with thee" is 1 of the most iconic Avengers moments

[@thoarnejones6805]

Would have been epic if thor said something similar in the movie. But the line "IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO?" will have to work.

[@Chalk0073]

I can't believe they didn't have that line in the movie.

[@calsh14]

@@Chalk0073 that's because they wanted to make Thor a funny man instead of a god

[@darraghmcconn]

@@thoarnejones6805 8ì

[@priceyyeti4058]

Man, it's a crying shame these recent uploads aren't getting the views they deserve. GL-GA, War of the Gods, Round Robin, now this? All hilarious, great episodes that genuinely make me curious about picking up the books. Hell, I was looking at a Moon Knight Omnibus because of Round Robin.

[@brianadkins3880]

Almost 36k in a week isn't good? Just curious as to how much would be? Does it have to be, at least, 40 or 50 in a week?

[@tyrxian6452]

@@brianadkins3880 they seem to get about 40+ usually from what I've seen

[@SkylightCiel]

"Ultron, we would have words with thee" would've gone SO HARD in "Age of Ultron" and it's upsetting that they didn't put it in there.

[@kourtneyr.scruggs0988]

Instead we got “Is that the best you got?”

[@brianadkins3880]

Unfortunately, I don't think it would have worked in the MCU. Classic comic book Thor doesn't seem too much like the MCU version.

[@tyrxian6452]

@@brianadkins3880 he was until Ragnarok

[@brianadkins3880]

@@tyrxian6452 Nay, I say to thee lol

[@BigT4489]

I loved Sal's "rant" about publishing these stories, cuz he's absolutely correct. I hate wanting to read or own these seminal stories only for them to be out of print. It's asinine.

[@samgilley3160]

"Hey you want to read Stan Lee's spider-man run? The most popular and well known comic run of all time? Have fun spending hundreds of dollars on our out of print masterwork collections!"

[@thegloriouswizard5270]

*if collected at all*

[@Depthcharge2030]

I’ve been trying to track down trades of this run, it would be nice if Marvel to reprint them in honor of George Perez.

[@pay7232]

Reprinting the omnibus

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

*Hank:* _whaling on his son_ *Janet:* “Ha ha! That’s how that feels!”

[@freack3333]

"Stark makes a hostile takeover... with his penis". Never change. 🤣

[@linknlog]

This is hands down my favorite Avengers story ever. I got into Avengers when Busiek and Perez relaunched the title, and this story in particular is what hooked me.

[@easyj9826]

Same here brother

[@aidanalvarez5486]

47:22 the creepiness of the Ultron-Jocasta relationship kind of fits. Jocasta is a name from the Greek play Oedipus Rex where the main character, Oedipus, ends up unknowingly marrying his mother Jocasta.

[@AuthenticApathy]

I love when Sal's robophobia comes out

[@markhalm9889]

With the exception of Spiderman and Fantatic Four up to 2015 every Silver Age Marvel hero you think of has been canceled at least once. It just took the right team coming together to give them that iconic run that then everyone else will be judged against.

[@grimandbilly005]

"Twice the pride, double the fall" it wouldn't be a back issues episode without a star wars reference

[@chrisdaily2077]

And specifically a prequel reference.

[@timothyperez6099]

JLA Avengers is such a treat and testament through and through! Can't wait to see the revisit and if y'all cover the Just Imagine series where Stan Lee has his take on the DC heroes! A lesser known sorta-crossover unintentional event lol

[@TevyaSmolka]

Ultron unlimited is a really fun avengers story and is probably the best avengers story we had in a very long time in my opinion.

[@SPEIGHTS78]

I don't know I did like Avengers breakout story arc. And I always liked the Avengers Heroes Return story arc we're there in the middle ages

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@SPEIGHTS78 i can understand that

[@fiaschampion3379]

It's pure soul.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@fiaschampion3379 indeed

[@HaussmannComics]

Ultron Unlimited or the Ultron Imperitive should have been the name of the Avengers movie instead of Age of Ultron

[@Heims511]

Almost done with the workday moonknight is out tonight and a new back issues!!!! “cue Good Day Ice Cube”

[@TDWTB]

I’m sad we lost Perez, the guy drew the definitive Teen Titans, Wonder Woman, and Avengers. The fact they are releasing his works en masse later this year is great for so many of us who didn’t get to buy them before.

[@comicpop]

Buy the paperback of Avengers: Ultron Unlimited! amzn.to/3JvNUZa

[@jeancifuentes4324]

Hey Sal, would you ever do “Something is Killing the Children”? Or at the very least, could Tiffany cover it? I would love to see you guys cover it

[@thats_not_glue]

@@jeancifuentes4324 I have no idea what that is, but that sounds like a cool episode

[@brianadkins3880]

@@thats_not_glue It's a horror comic book from BOOM!

[@christianmiller5456]

Have you guys covered Grant Morrison's Animal Man run? I'd like to see where you stand on that one if the opportunity arises.

[@soup2458]

I’ve been wanting this for so long! They’ll probably need to do a couple parts on it so the finale works as well

[@johnnieriot13]

I think they’re not Morrison fans. They tend to shit on just about everything he does. I love Morrison. Which I respect everyones opinion, if I agree or not but I’m in the camp that he wrote the best Batman run, JLA run (which I think everyone thinks that) X-men run, ect. but his vertigo work is just amazing and would love to see more on this channel

[@christianmiller5456]

@@johnnieriot13 Maybe not, but they've definitely covered worse runs on this channel over the years. Whichever way Sal views this one in particular, I'm here for it. I think even if they don't like it, it would make for an interesting conversation.

[@johnnieriot13]

@@christianmiller5456 yeah, that’s a good point. They do tend to do books they don’t like. So maybe there is hope. I love his animal man run. Some would say the end is pretentious but I think it puts a beautiful bow on it. Perfect ending

[@Codeman1930]

@@johnnieriot13 from what I can recall Sal actually really likes the Animal man run by Grant and enjoys Grant’s run on JLA. If you watch the electric blue Superman episode I think he talks about the latter.

[@kiko1935]

War Machine not having ANY of it is the funniest shit

[@mike7277]

Ultron was destroyed for good for a while, I sometime after Avengers Disassembled. But then he appeared in outer space, as the main antagonist of the Annihilation Conquest run. Ultron uploaded himself into out space at this point, so even when you unmake every backup on Earth, there's always another one just chilling with the Shiar or something that will inevitably find its way back to earth.

[@harrydickens5268]

Rewatching this today and tickled by Sal alluding to the art of Spider-Man: Quality of Life at @2:00 before doing it several Back Issues later; a real nice Easter Egg in the Comic Pop Cinematic Universe

[@calvinjluther]

An Image Revolution movie starring Todd and Rob playing themselves without deaging would be the best possible casting.

[@sonofhercules195]

Thanks comicpop for prompting me to preorder Avengers/JLA. Got my copy and its was a blast

[@architeuthis3476]

1:44 I can't wait to see the review of this one! (any hints on what it is?)

[@architeuthis3476]

I'm thinking its either Rob Leifeld or Frank Miller

[@michaellabonte6390]

Man the last two back issues are just tailored to me. Feelin spidey AND moon knight? Here ya go. Feelin Avengers? HERE YA GO COMIC POP RULEZ!

[@Martin_TheCollector]

I'm super glad I purchased the omnis several years ago. Busiek and Perez are absolutely fantastic!! Most of the time. Nobody is perfect though.

[@antdujar]

One of the best. Comic pop, may you never change! That is, unless for the better, other than that, fantastic episode! @43:45 had me rolling😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭

[@nerdyrockcomics5428]

The Venture Brothers reference! I know it wasn't for me specifically but thank you! And absolutely elsewhere else exchange introduced me to Venture Brothers, and my life has been pretty great ever since

[@loganthomas2421]

My second favorite Avengers run behind Bendis’ New Avengers. Hope to see more of these on backissues

[@Neyebureturns]

After watching this I don’t know why they called Avengers 2 “Age of Ultron” instead of “Ultron Unlimited”. The movie is more similar to this story.

[@slayertakim1]

I think Age of Ultron was the most recent Ultron story at the time of that movies release. They probably picked that name in order to grab people's attention

[@CatacombSaint]

@@slayertakim1 And honestly Age of Ultron is a better title overall

[@Aaron-zt5ee]

My theory was that they wanted to get ahead of Fox using “Age of Apocalypse” for the X-Men. People forget that, for a very weird period of time, there was a rivalry between the MCU and X-Men movies shortly before Disney bought Fox.

[@antgue756]

God i love back issues. Best discussion show on youtube hands down.

[@captainawsomeist]

I think that the Avengers are a cool idea, but I prefer the FF, Spider-Man or JLA! But I love your videos, guys!

[@seanberrodin801]

47:21 I mean she wouldn't be the first Jocasta to participate in an incestuous relationship with their son. Little Oedipus reference for you there you're welcome.

[@ChristopherZubin]

NFL Superpro is a great warrior who deserves your respect!

[@cincymutt]

Avengers' popularity has become very underrated in recent years. People say they've only become popular because of the movies, and for general audiences that may be true, but in the comic world i think they've done alright; even if they weren't the most popular series, the Avengers have been the biggest/most famous team in the Marvel universe (in the actual universe, I mean) for decades. Honestly, I can't believe they would've had such a major push in the canon (both in solo comics and as a team) for so long if no one was reading them. I mean, I was into comics for a good few years before all these movies all blew up and I thought the Avengers were one of the biggest things to know about (if you were into comics). And even outside of the fandom, quite a few people knew about the Hulk and Captain America, and I remember even seeing Iron Man and Thor pop up from time to time in the "normal" world. I can't help but think that Sal has a perception of them being nothing because they were at maybe their lowest point during his youth. But even though they've long been outsold by Spider-Man or X-Men (who, together, probably accounted for the majority of sales at their height) it's still been one of the more popular titles of many Marvel has had.

[@brianadkins3880]

Much like when the Justice League of America started, the Avengers were indeed a team of B listers or lower. But some of those characters and their stories can be the most interesting and exciting. Sometimes, it's due to being able to give them the type of character development they can't give the more popular ones due to them having that in their own monthly titles. And Vision is a synthezoid! lol

[@diegoyerse593]

Another fucking Banger Fellas! Good work as always. great end to a wednesday every wednesday!

[@Three_Tiny_Robots]

Lol I cared about Justice and Firestar when this was being published! 😅

[@thetruebeliever6541]

This is my favorite story!!! best Avengers/ Ultron story.

[@bensneb360]

20:25-20:28: I feel like every Marvel hero goes threw a costume phase like this at some time or another

[@PhsycoRed]

The Day JLA/Avengers get's revisited. Imma poop my pants !

[@Plyrrrr]

Shout-out to that Venture Bros clip

[@mttylerdurden9]

Me:(Humming FIGHT AS ONE song)

[@Codeman1930]

That show was perhaps the most essential part of my childhood with superheroes. I love that song.

[@Mr_Hutt]

Y'all always kill it with back issues!!