The New Origin of the Marvel Universe | Avengers: The Final Host

[@frailmachinemeen4288]

16:15 “where does a dream go when you wake up, nowhere” - sal

[@BlUsKrEEm]

"SQUID!" - sal

[@matyG101]

"she hulk and robbie fight for a minute and then they're mates" was this the weekly planet ahaha

[@jjrambles683]

"... And then they punch for a bit"

[@zackschofield4240]

I’m so happy to see I’m not the only one that thought Weekly Planet after he said that 😂

[@comicpop]

Just a quiet shoutout ;)

[@Treblemaker1279]

So the moment you joked about Robbie piloting a moon as ghost rider, I started to wonder about an Ego Living Planet turned Ghost Rider

[@flywheelshyster]

oh you.gif

[@rabl3535]

They gave Ego a body at one point

[@mr.goblin6039]

@@rabl3535 That was in The Ultimates by Al Ewing, but it made sense in there. It was even stated to be temporary. God, that story was so good.

[@WhiteRaven696]

Marvel Studios: “We’re releasing an Eternals movie.” Marvel Comics: “The Eternals can’t come to the screen right now. Why? Because they’re dead.”

[@captainvimes6079]

The marvel universe was created by kumail nanjiani confirmed. Also scarlet witch has no parents because a TV network had money once

[@Bryan-gy2zu]

@@ungreatfulduck750 I think you're underestimating the fanbase around the MCU (especially more casual audiences). Most people didn't know about Iron Man and the film was still successful. A little over a decade and billions of dollars later the CU as a whole is still a juggernaut ( ba dun tss) that can generate a lot of money. More casual audiences will show up (after the pandemic) simply because it's an MCU movie.

[@brandondaniels1862]

Was the a Taylor Swift reference? Lol Nice.

[@marvthemartian001]

@@ungreatfulduck750 remember when they said Guardians Of The Galaxy would flop? Or that Ant-Man would flop? And look what happened

[@DanV900]

Ungreatful Duck Only one MCU movie has flopped which was The Incredible Hulk back in 2008. The Eternals with the MCU branding won’t flop at this point either and Ant-Man was 2.5 times more profitable than Man of Steel. You don’t have to like the future of the MCU, but there is nothing with the last 12 years to justify saying that the Eternals will flop.

[@uberbusdubs5962]

So let's picture the scene where the Avengers fight Ego The Living Planet. The Avengers are on the blue area of the moon staring in awe at Ego. Robbie plunges his hands into the moon's surface and he's all like "Guys I've got this!" Cap replies with : Robbie you can't pilot the moon! Robbie chuckles and says "Cap, it's not a moon. It's a rock!" The moon revs up. Robbie screams "The Pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!". And they crash the moon into Ego.

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

"And then Ego's Corpse becomes the New Moon so you just look up in the night sky and see the Giant F**king Face with a Moon Jabbed in it's side and it's tongue sticking out..."

[@Arkios64]

Holy hell, that reference just made my week.

[@d0tbat]

My sides are in orbit

[@nickrottkamp4933]

As a Poughkeepsie native, I can confirm we heard ghost rider yelling from Siberia

[@aisnota5192]

Nice. Did the temperature rise that day?

[@saracohle]

So glad you guys feel the same way about this She Hulk situation. It makes me so sad to see her dumbed down.

[@langleymneely]

Sara Cohle Amen to that!

[@WhiteRaven696]

It’s pretty much universal. None of the fans want Jen being a replacement for Classic Bruce. But Aaron keeps digging his heels in.

[@crapnuggets202]

What do you mean you don't love it when creators derail their own work to respond to people's Twitter complaints through thinly-veiled allegories every three issues

[@creed8712]

Nivek Leveb well Bruce is a man so he’s never had to deal with cat calls before, though his mental and physical traumas are as close as he could possibly get to what i assume to be the one villain really into giant grey muscle women saying as much

[@donb7519]

@@crapnuggets202 the moment i gave up on liking jane thor was aarons having absorbing man as a vehicle for people complaining

[@bluhmer1990]

Sal's rant about making the first villain Celestials fills me with life.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

*Editor:* "Jason, I need your Avengers story. What is it?" *Aaron:* _pounds back a bottle of whiskey_ *Aaron:* "Alright, so then the Celestial spreads its assscheeks and makes a mess in the Primordial Ooze, right, and

[@Javierm0n0]

🤣

[@Mycatsnameiswednesday]

Dude I see you at every corner of the fucking internet

[@radicalthinking5651]

I've never really understood the hatred of you, personally seeing you in a comment section reaffirms that I have good taste

[@109-r1e]

Aren't celestials like universal level threats? Surely one should be able to just shoot a laser beam from space and destroy the earth effortlessly?

[@donb7519]

they used to be but aarons doesnt give a shit about any continuity but his own like bendis

[@mr.goblin6039]

They SHOULD be. Those guys tore apart universes WITH THEIR BARE HANDS and have knocked Galactus and Odin on their ass. Outside of Al Ewing's work, modern Marvel treats them like they're just giant alien robots instead of LITERAL SPACE GODS.

[@Dorkyboi-1218]

So we gonna ignore that Ben misses a joke about how Thor and She-Hulk decide to smash?

[@Javierm0n0]

Hoooo damn! that's a good one! Im kinda mad it didnt happen in the vid now xD

[@WannabeWryter]

Low hanging fruit.

[@ctl6985]

@@WannabeWryter When has that ever stopped them lol

[@WannabeWryter]

@@ctl6985 That's fair

[@kazual6149]

I couldn't agree more with your founding the Avengers point! The reason it was so great to see the New Avengers come together was all the new faces and the experience of heroes who typically don't mingle having to learn to work together. Not just seeing the same 3 dudes go in circles again and again.

[@ianmckee4726]

Thor already had a weapon that could kill celestials. His axe from uncanny avengers had been whammied to be able to kill them in case they attacked asgard.

[@jamesmason7979]

Thor brings that up during the story, but never goes to get it because of lazy writing.

[@hadesshivabuddhachrist8573]

This was a cool event, it was called Earth X, it came out 20 years ago. Uatu the Watcher is also blinded in that story, kind of like how he was blinded in Original Sin, also written by Aaron

[@monkekun3033]

Alot of the earth X stuff was implemented into 616 later

[@mr.goblin6039]

Marvel has been taking stuff from Earth X and misusing it in canon for years. Earth X was dope because it was it's own story and it's own thing. The stuff that worked there isn't gonna work in the main universe.

[@the_rose_garden01]

@@monkekun3033 Yeah, Earth X was super influential

[@Grievousish]

Large alien is full of black goo that creates life. I don't like where this is going......

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Mike from RLM: What was that black goo?

[@redking345]

@@comixproviderftw_02 if i remember correctly its precursor venom

[@robertcorr6971]

As a fan of Aaron's run I saw the thumbnail and said, "Uh oh."

[@ShawnWeeded510]

Yeah i like this run too. I don't understand why Sal hates it so much.

[@kaasw.m6880]

Its hard to explain but it just felt off, i enjoyed the first arc but had to drop it. Despite how much i was looking forward to the team/book when it was announced.

[@krukomonsterpodcast2814]

Kaas W.M. It just didn’t interest me.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

@@ShawnWeeded510 It's comics being comics. For all the good... _and bad..._ that brings. I'm not fan, also, and that's probably because I'm not the demographic for it.

[@megamonmon]

@@ShawnWeeded510 ive been wondering about this for a while since snyder's justice league is also huge and bombastic as well but I think its simply because its kinda comes across as lazy. No effort it having things match whats currently going on and just having cool stuff happen on the page just cause. Its a book thats not elevated by its art, its carried by it

[@AntNerd_E]

"I'm gonna reboot everything... You know what Tony Stark's dad Mephisto now" So close Thor's mom is Phoneix now.

[@theadmiral7471]

This is one of the best “Sal has had it up to here” episodes in awhile. I actually had Aaron sign my #1 of this when he went to my local comic book store.

[@TheIceman101418]

You know one of the most frustrating things about this story? Al Ewing already did this and better. He did negative celestials, he wiped out all but one of the regular celestials, reset the cosmic continuity, AND BROUGHT THE ULTIMATE UNIVERSE BACK! However since it's in Ultimates and not avengers no one read it and it got ignored. Then Arron comes and does something very similar then it sticks, even though Ewings story was much better IMO.

[@zerohour09]

What issues did this happen in

[@odinkiller727]

zerohour09 it was his Ultimates run right after Secret Wars 2015.

[@Martin_TheCollector]

The Ultimates by Al Ewing is indeed super good. They should release a deluxe hardcover for that run!

[@Martin_TheCollector]

@@nivekleveb8872 Rocafort is top notch! What a shame he hardly does work for Marvel.

[@rabl3535]

Bringing back the “ultimate” universe is NOT a good thing. Edgelord-verse should’ve stayed buried.

[@mr.monitor7943]

Me, waking up: Damn, nothing to do today... *Thinking* *Thinking* *Thinking* *Remembers new Back Issues on Wednesdays* Me, falling out of bed: OH SHI-!

[@austincole7286]

Not to jump on the hate wagon *jumps* but my biggest gripe with Aaron's Avengers is the dialogue. Everyone has to say just how awesome & wild stuff is Robbie "crazy we're going into space right?" Blade "MY MOM WAS KILLED BY A VAMPIRE AND IM OVER 100 YEARS OLD AND BRITISH" Robbie "uh thanks for sharing" (this is practically verbatim dialogue) It's all unnatural and it's all just like that. Show dont tell,I can see its wild shit dont spell it out to me,trust me,its not going over my head

[@goldbondisgod]

6:18 now I know who did the pop sound for the channel 🤣

[@benhramiak8781]

31:26 I find this summary of the industry pretty interesting. The idea of creators constantly adding to the universe.

[@AGuyWithTheFace]

"There was a meteor with Gama Radiation that hit a guy." Sal predicted the Hulk BC story that Al Ewing did almost half a year before he did it.

[@nickloughlin9400]

can we take a sec to appreciate the voice acting and onomatopoeia of sal crivelli at 6:17

[@youfirst6611]

This is basically the same problem as Scott Snyder’s justice League. The scope of the story is too damn big and story is stupid but not in a stupid=fun way but rather stupid=stupid.

[@megamonmon]

For all of snyder's faults I feel he puts in more effort than this

[@michaelthethird702]

Yes! You nailed it

[@WannabeWryter]

Better than Bendis Supernan and Tom King Batman, although that's a low bar.

[@WannabeWryter]

@Mikhail G Little Jarro

[@dekaritheprofessor2631]

I'd have to agree though Snyder puts more thought into it

[@Eaterofworld]

39:53 sal got mad 😂😂

[@wesleymok7532]

The idea of avengers 1mil always left me with a ‘but why’ feeling. It’s as if Aaron read that JLA story, The Obsidian Age and said “how about that…but marvel?”

[@freack3333]

I'm about half way through and Sal's frustration is just gold so far.

[@mr_nevermind]

Why does the thumbnail look like you guys are sitting me down for an intervention?

[@Udgrasil13]

Because it is time. You have a problem and we all are starting to worry about you. I don`t know how to tell you this but I saw what you were hiding under your sink....you can`t live like that anymore. Not after what happened to your tame chimpanzee. I mean, we all miss Mr. Bobo but that is no excuse for you behavior. We all just want your best Michael, bu you have to meet us halfway.

[@Yungtacosss]

We only want what's best for you.

[@rubenmenjares8480]

6:17 Sal’s sound effect skills tho 👌🏼💯

[@TheClitCommander530]

"Where does a dream go when you wake up?"😆😂

[@langleymneely]

If memory serves Thor is not the God of hammers, that was a joke situation in which Thor was still trying to figure out what hammer he wanted to use after being worthy again and kept calling to the troll that was forging his hammers to send down a better one to fight Juggernaut. He settles on just the one hammer. lol

[@mrmayo5905]

I feel bad for how much I enjoyed Sal bitchin and moanin about this book

[@SailHatinSoap]

"Thor will never pick up mjolnir confidently" oh how the turns have tabled He does

[@jjrambles683]

9:43 I love how disappointed Sal is in the moment. He isn't even on screen but you can feel it

[@grimandbilly005]

"We have enough hulks that go uuuuaaaaahhhhhhaaaa." That's the nugget of this episode

[@liamgibbons5266]

"they have spider skeltons and squid skeltons-- SQUID"

[@invaderjimm8422]

I think changing She-Hulk only would have worked if the made her a monster to go in line with the Immortal Hulk stuff.

[@GreenChillZone]

IIRC he later admitted to changing She-Hulk because he wanted to use Bruce but couldn’t because Immortal Hulk was running at the time.

[@BBmetalhead04]

50:40 Even the Inhumans at least got “Death of the Inhumans”. The Eternals just die off panel.

[@bawspatel5155]

Sal at the end tho; "Yes, they ran outta pages..." XD ded

[@pbjoey703]

Robbie going trick or treat motherfucker is a wonderful image.

[@jayrett]

Oh no, Ethan thought Sal was kidding about Mephisto Stark, didn't he?

[@donb7519]

is he not last i saw tony's dad was now a hydra agent and his mom was some rockstar agent of shield grandma

[@donb7519]

@@Popcultureguy3000 yea but its still weird to have these dumbass retcons

[@HollowGolem]

I had the exact same reaction to the Michael Jackson robot thing that Ethan and Ben did. Today I learned that is a thing.

[@Israel_hans]

I want to see the cut footage where Sal explains it.

[@Slickback_Zach]

Sal: “Where does a dream go when you wake up?” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 so weak rn

[@tinfoiltyrant]

11:37 That's not entirely fair, Hickman used the Starbrand to great effect during Time Runs Out only a couple of years before. - Gunther 1:05:50 Wait was the God of Hammers thing is your guys fault? lol Did you three summon that from the ether and Aaron get an idea watching this video?

[@hanamori21]

So MCU Odin was wrong and Thor actually IS the god of hammers...

[@thahotkidd]

Now I'm kinda curious to know if it was already a thing at that point and they were just making reference to it or if they got the idea from that line

[@TheMelMan]

@Heartattack 77 😂😂😂

[@jmail1984]

Sal is turned up to 11! i love it!

[@odinkiller727]

Remember when it took a reality warmer from the future powering up Galactus to take in the Celestials? Also why did they need Ymir’s Tears to grow big when Pym Particles exist?

[@LUISPRIME]

Another origin of the Marvel Universe. That would be origin number 23, right? And now it include the black goo from the movie Prometheus. Great.

[@benhramiak8781]

Am i the only one reminded of the ending to dark knights metal? Insurmountable odds, deus ex machina at the end, set up the next big thing

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Sal looks DONE on the thumbnail. This gonna be a good one.

[@seankensing]

“Where does a dream go when you wake up?” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Chactemal]

25 min of tearing this book and we have only gone 2 pages in, this id another level of greatness

[@chrisdaily2077]

Whosoever lifts this mug, shall he be worthy, shall be filled with the warmth of a good coffee.

[@Benm701]

Aye!

[@PhoenixEnforcer101]

Print it, sell it!

[@benhramiak8781]

Hope you lot are doing well, love your work. Not much of an avengers fan, only seen their recent team in the venom book where they ask him to join the team. Thought it was weird that they had a new base inside a frozen celestial

[@Blakk_Wolf7]

Ed McGuiness is one of the best artists in comics, & one of my favorites. He makes everyone look comic accurate, & proportionate. Easily top 10 , along w/Jim Lee, Alex Ross, David Finch, & others

[@vanjeorgen]

when you finish the last back issues video to find that one more has just been uploaded....

[@alecczar8680]

I busted out laughing when Ethan said it’s always this one, it’s always this one.... it is always that one.

[@deltaprime3509]

When they reveal Odin dated Phoenix I thought they were going to reveal Thor’s mom was actually the Phoenix.

[@onesixfive_165]

About that...

[@r.babylon2885]

"Are you the god of hammers?!" "Now I am..."

[@Israel_hans]

I'd like to the cut footage of Sal explaining about the Micheal Jackson robot.

[@WhiteRaven696]

I didn’t even know this was a thing until he brought it up.

[@Chenso2099]

There’s a BUILDING-SIZED MICHAEL JACKSON ROBOT?

[@Skyhunter826]

I seriously want to know what he was talking about too

[@Ubermensch9240]

41:52 Sal is basically me every time a Fate protagonist has to fight Hercules or Karna. Look it up. It's infuriatingly stupid.

[@TheMelMan]

"Where does a dream go when you wake up?" 😂😂😂😂😂 Hard to believe this is not scripted sometimes.

[@fernandoreyes9737]

How in hell did Sal make that pop sound?

[@langleymneely]

Fernando Reyes editing & sound effects. Lol

[@DavidPeoplesTV]

Oh yeah Marvel, this really feels like the world outside my window

[@YouCalledForTheDoc]

@@CrisisComics Yes. Was the tagline for the Marvel Legacy re-launch

[@geekgirl616]

Are you Thor god of hammers? Well apparently!!!

[@AnarchicArachnid]

28:44 I have a great problem with this hulk in that this would be a good grey she hulk idea that because of her lack of control she becomes the opposite of what she wants (the classic she hulk) so instead of a jade skinned goddess she become an ugly grey blob of muscles, also it'd juxtapose how original Green Hulk is usually the dumb lug, while Joe fixkt is the street wise bruiser. I also would imply that maybe this hulk is seperate from Jen as a person entirely.

[@darrenhoner9579]

Annihilation has been mentioned SOOO many times, and yet, no Back Issues! :-)

[@zackschofield4240]

It’s the new world war hulk for the back issues continuity

[@maxstewart8846]

42:06 Sal with the cheeky Weekly Planet Podcast reference

[@astrotheultimate]

At some point during this Avenger's run I just gave up. The Final Host is a fun intro though.

[@capt_peanutbutter2912]

I don’t have the same problems that Sal has with the book, however I do understand his criticisms. I personally like this story, but the run overall has been lackluster considering the promise of the first two arcs of Aaron’s run.

[@barraki6706]

Same here.

[@gedeonnunes5626]

I came to it out of curiosity for more Robbie Reyes since I had loved his first series and came out of this book quite pissed

[@PR0MAN01]

This has been my favorite episode of BI in a long while. I love me some unashamed ranting about the state of the comic book industry and the blatant appeals to marketability over continuity.

[@Amazing_Amy_W]

I kept waiting for 'he's the god of hammers' bit to turn out to be Sal doing a bit, and the fact its not floored me.

[@Vsirin]

I've watched this one three times and every time I am freshly amazed at, "Where does a dream go when you wake up?"

[@JoshMunroe]

Marvel out here giving us their own version of "Power Rangers and the Justice League."

[@PlaytimesOver525]

I love these guys I hope you guys do more videos reviewing comics

[@fritschxf]

You guys where on a roll on this one!! Super funny show thanks for the amazing content 👍🏾 👍🏾

[@Darkraes743]

13:04 That reaction

[@JakeTylenol]

Hey wait, honest question, I thought when the Phoenix inhabits Jean Grey it never knew emotions before and that’s why it went crazy. But if the Prevengers exist and the Phoenix was on the team, especially being in the body of a more...primal version of a human female and also had a relationship with Odin, then why the fuck would it have a problem with emotions when Jean stepped into the picture?

[@donb7519]

im sorry that sounds like you expect aaron to care about past continuity the only thing that matters is his stuff and stuff he likes

[@jclombardi8471]

Clearly you put more thought into this than Aaron did.

[@JarnePauwels]

Great choice, now about that doomsday clock

[@WhelmedButReady]

Does anyone else wanna hear Sal explain more about Michael Jackson's gigantic desert-walking robot?

[@Israel_hans]

If we badger him enough,They might release the footage.

[@i_am_a_brick_7119]

This story holds a special place in my heart, it was the first story I fully readand finished, and my first Avengers story period.

[@flywheelshyster]

it was a rough work day. kinda. gonna watch this again, back issues bring the smiles

[@michaelthethird702]

1:17:12 The burgers/pizza tangent needs to be a short!

[@MrCeratix]

I really hope we get another book from this series for Sal to unbiasedly review 😅

[@shadowman64100]

This is one of my favorite episodes now.

[@gtarrant2000]

I honestly thought, for a moment, Ethan's "book review " was going to simply be "It's a book" when he hesitated

[@andrewpragasam]

So basically every hero in the Marvel universe can trace their origins to a disease infested godlike giant alien taking a hot deuce into the primordial ooze. Lousy book, hilarious episode. Great work guys.

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

39:40 I think that's the angriest I've ever seen Sal so far, not that I blame him😂 Doom being an Avenger actually sounds fun. Fingers crossed for New Avengers or a different team after empyre

[@Iwoply]

On top of everything that's stupid about this story what frustrates me the most is the dead Celestials crashing onto the planet with no impact outside of a few buildings being destroyed. GIANT CELESTIALS CRASHED ONTO THE PLANET WITH FORCE! Thanks for the episode regardless guys, it was so fun to listen to the book being taken apart

[@WannabeWryter]

I was just hoping someone would explain the state of current marvel comics and here Comic pop delivering. Please do Young Avengers 2013

[@amaristudent9456]

They usually do.

[@jelancritic3158]

I hope they cover that too.

[@TheMorlun]

That would imply that everybody else isn't doing their best trying to ignore Aaron's Avengers.

[@WannabeWryter]

@@TheMorlun What do you mean?

[@kikodejesus9192]

Thanks for a lively discussion. For the back info that you guys meticulously discussed. For saying the good and bad points in the plot and development specifically with the Ghost Rider, Jenny and the Odinson and the rebooting of the Avengers from time to time. Be safe. Mabuhay!

[@sonofhercules195]

"If I ride you, would you become a flaming skeleton ?"

[@94evangelion]

Even though I do like alot of Aaron's other work like Thor & Ghost Rider, I never felt he had good handle on Loki. In my view, his depiction of Loki feels so generic & regressive, especially compared to both Gillen & Ewing's work on the character.

[@jakelester4857]

YEESSSSS!!! Will you do Batman No Mans Land in the future?

[@qweenqwerty6214]

The thing is No Man’s Land isn’t an arc it’s a status quo change for like a year, sure there’s a relative through line but it’s not a 12 issue arc it’s all of Batman and his associates comics for like a year

[@Ubermensch9240]

TLDR

[@hellmaker51]

The Celestial s making humanity just reminds me of Evangelion.

[@tylercomic8848]

Squid?! - Sal

[@danielzuniga4915]

Thank you comicPop for keeping me sane❤️

[@ninja1man4u]

This is the epitome of that old saying my parents used to say "dont read comic books they'll rot your brain". What they should have said is "don't read crappy comics those will rot your brain". Wow this marvel event is really lame.