Why is Supermen Always Evil - Comics Experiment | Comicstorian

[@135mikerules23]

“I would argue that absolute power doesn’t corrupt, it merely reveals.”

[@BrokenDiety1]

I disagree. Over time people take what they have for granted and become disconnected. It's part of human nature.

[@blair5475]

If I had powers, I would see the world burn

[@xxshazam6045]

@@blair5475 well then

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@BrokenDiety1 what he means by that is if you were someone who didn't use your benefits to do good things then if you're giving superpowers you will most likely do bad things with it but if you did good things before you had powers then you will use that power responsibly and not abused it.

[@TheWereparadox]

Exposes that within ourselves that is unbalanced

[@EJthe24TH]

I think I know the reason why there's a surge of Evil Superman concepts as of late. It's because Superman, in his very core, is a man who does the right thing not for any altruistic means but because it's the right thing to do, period. He represents what we're supposed to be to one another, how we should help each other out no questions asked, how we should be selfless, how we should be kindness towards our fellow man, how we should be virtuous and how we should show restraint. He's a paragon of what humanity should strive to be. But there in lies the problem. Some comic book critics, comic book fans, etc. don't like how Superman represents something they're not: humanity can be selfish, humanity can be vindictive, humanity can be greedy, humanity can be impulsive, and humanity, above all else, can be cruel. But the one thing that holds us back is immense power, something that Superman has. People, especially nowadays, don't like to be reminded of something that they're not, how their attitude is not right or what they're doing is wrong so they go with characters that seem more relatable or seem "realistic", like the Punisher, Red Hood, or in this case, Evil Superman. It's kinda funny it reminds of what Joker said in The Dark Knight: "I took Gotham's White Knight and brought him down to our level." Evil Superman represents what happens if humainty had all the power in the universe and still had their sinister attributes, the greed, the vindictiveness, the selfishness, the cruelty. He represents glaring flaws of man without any limitation stopping him. I don't think it's a healthy mindset for fans to have that Superman is man who is just one bad day away from being a tyrant. I think the best representation of the Man of Steel is STAS and comics that highlight his characteristics, not his strength but his pure heart.

[@IzayaLee1725]

Thank you!!!

[@darlalathan6143]

Also, they don't understand tyrants, despite all the true crime documentaries about dictators! They're not superheroes with a death in the family but generals elected during or after a war or economic bust period.

[@Guyverman01]

Imagine if they tried to apply the same idea as recent evil Superman analogues, only to Batman.

[@tuoyoedukugho1807]

Well said bro, if I will add anything I will say people are in a spectrum from the extreme virtuous to extreme evil. People fall in this Category, more at the middle.. then people like to see evil characters to make them self feel better, the self righteous will point out, don't look at me, I'm not as bad as that guy.

[@udemeebong3242]

I think there's something about the most powerful symbol of hope becoming the greatest symbol of despair...and no one can stop him.

[@fragtical8540]

considering he has been stopped in nearly every evil superman story... Homelander: dead in comics soviet superman: Turned good Omni-man: for spoilers i wont say what happens Injustice superman: captured and depowered Kingdom come: Turned good "kinda" hyperion: turned good after fighting evil version of himself i dont think we have a evil superman who actually won lol. Closest you could get is kingdom come but he sacrifices himself for humanity in the end.

[@dws0828]

@@fragtical8540 It does not go so well for humanity in the 80’s Miracleman by Alan Moore. One of the first great works in the genre from one half of the creative team for Watchmen

[@fragtical8540]

@@dws0828 thats one out of like what 5? and miracleman isnt something you think of when you think of a dark superman, Besides 1 out of 5 agian

[@redhood7778]

It's been done to death though

[@greenbat731]

I think this is why I’ve always liked animated Superman better than the live action ones. Partly because I don’t think there have been too many good actors that have played him but also because at this point I’ve seen a million evil supermen I just wanna see the big blue boyscout once more

[@Peecamarke]

Isnt there like FIVE movies with him as boyscout and hes boyscout in most of his comics and cartoon shows. Hes only really been evil in alternate versions of the comics and cartoons

[@greenbat731]

@@Peecamarke mostly the comics and cartoons have him being wholly good. It’s almost always live action and “alternate” versions (I.e omniman, homelander, bright burn, DCEU Superman etc) that have him turning evil. It’s been done a lot in the comics and animated shows as well with the crime syndicate and a few other comic shenanigans but they’ve almost always been either one offs or rare occasions. I just mean that it’s live action that it always happens. It seems like it’s mostly the older actors that have played Superman have had him actually being a proper hero

[@micah459]

I would love to see an Evil Justice League vs a good Superman. That would be cool because with the right teamwork they can take him on, especially if he refuses to kill

[@simplysage3562]

Wouldn't an evil batman be able to solo superman?

[@DJmouchi777]

@@simplysage3562 Depends on if he has both a proper plan to kill Superman and time to set it up. Superman vs an evil League would be a race against the clock to find Batman before he can get his anti kryptonian tech. Any time before that, Superman could just put him in a bear hug and take him to prison.

[@Lazyguy143]

@@simplysage3562 depends on the writer and who's the main protagonist.

[@blair5475]

@@DJmouchi777 No, Diana will kill an evil Superman

[@jonathanathor117]

@@simplysage3562 There are two types of batman, normal batman and plot armor man.

[@GoldLight73]

Imagine Evil Aquaman. Dude just lets loose sea monsters on the surface world. Then again, I guess Ocean Master is kind of already Evil Aquaman.

[@acespadepirates6426]

I would pay good money for a evil Aquaman. I feel he doesn’t get enough recognition or enough love.

[@PantaroParatroopa]

There's "The Drowned" from Dark Nights Metal. She's an evil Batman who became an evil Aquaman.

[@GoldLight73]

@@PantaroParatroopa Eh, I wouldn't count her because she's just a wildly alternated history of Batman. I'm talking if Arthur went evil. Closest thing I can think of besides Ocean Master is Flashpoint Aquaman.

[@jonathanathor117]

Chutulu's wet dream and nightmare.

[@jonathanathor117]

@LioSlayer of SJWeirdos Namor isn't really evil. He's neutral.

[@hocusfocus4853]

I think the Superman gone evil stories also highlights just how strong Superman’s will to be good is with how easy it is for him to just be evil

[@Janzer_]

This is just normal man issues. Humans go through this.

[@mechmaster315]

13:51 they did that in Tales of the Dark Multiverse: War of the Gods

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

Andy: There are nazis, there is zombies and there is nazi zombies. Alucard: Nailed it.

[@rileywarner5258]

Can’t wait for them to talk about the Warner/discovery merger which they kinda predicted

[@EvilLeprechuan]

When I was a kid I woke up to watch cartoons on Saturdays, now it's to watch these three goofballs.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Because who doesn’t want to see the thousandth Pumped Up Kicks Version of Superman. Because it’s _realistic._

[@darlalathan6143]

So is Superman in a sex club, which would be even more entertaining!

[@KavinCatastrophe]

If Superman becomes Evil he conquers the world. If Batman Becomes Evil he Nearly Destroys the Multiverse. Something Wrong Here.

[@nodiggity9472]

If Aquaman becomes evil . . . . Amber Heard gets to stay by his side.

[@binsoku6]

"Why is there never an 'evil batman'" Midnighter: "Am I joke to you?"

[@fragtical8540]

Batman who laughs: Ok Joker in batman costume: Hmm sure Thomas wayne batman: What? Literally the 9 evil batman from dark knights metal: Who? Owlman: Aight bud BVS batman: Im not evil? pretty sure i murdered about 21 people. Jason todd as evil batman: Okay man sure i was like ur favorite character and u forget me. Azreal: Okay i dont exist i guess

[@jjphantom8392]

@@fragtical8540 and Soviet batman of u didn't already say it

[@fragtical8540]

@@jjphantom8392 damn i actually forgot one of the newer ones xD Didnt really think of him since he was only in the movie for like 30 mins and wasnt even the final bad guy

[@fragtical8540]

@Winter Green ?????????? Ok bud

[@jonathanathor117]

Evil superman is a bit overused, an evil batman could work if they don't milk the crap out of him (batman who laughs) or just use completely new evil versions of superheroes like an evil version of the hulk or an evil version of captain atom. Captain Atom has a much larger variety of powers and skills. An evil version of Spiderman could work.

[@iMDdEMON]

"Oh look its Captain Hydra; if i cut of one of your heads will two grow back" - Devil Hulk

[@TheLastSane1]

So it took me forever to realize that in Injustice, the reason Superman was able to kill Shazam was... it was Billy Batson. Because Billy is like 18-20 by the time of the doubles coming over, he is a full ass adult. So when he is trying to say Shazam, he is trying to turn into his superhero form so Superman just killed some no-powered kid which makes that scene so much worse realizing he let himself be in his depowered form around Superman and the others because he trusted them.

[@nanaantwi2390]

Damn😦

[@rokeYouuer]

I have needed to explain to several idiots on the internet and a couple of my friends who played Injustice that Superman killed an 18-year-old, not a man with the powers of 6 gods.

[@The_Backman]

I think its because Superman's upbringing sets the standard. The simplest thing some of these Evil Supermen lack is parents. They didn't have responsible, good people to teach them values. Homelander had no parents, the press is the closest thing he'll have for support. Omni Man is a soldier dedicated to his people. Those values were taught to both he and his people. Yet neither of them had John or Martha Kent. (Tho Omni Man's got Mark as his anchor)

[@nihaalmutupuru7841]

even brightburn have very good parents I see your point

[@blair5475]

@@nihaalmutupuru7841 who is brightburn?

[@titolove6895]

"Let me give you this paragraph on how I can still function yogurt"😆😆

[@jasonlendrose]

I think part of the inconsistency with Hydra cap and Injustice Superman success is that Hydra cap took place in the main Marvel 1616, where as injustice was an alternate universe.

[@darlalathan6143]

The Mainstream Marvel Universe is Earth 616.

[@theycallmejojo6090]

I would like to see more tragically misguided Superman like with the Kingdom Come comic.

[@heszedjim9699]

Red son is a good one. He's actually doing what he thinks is right for his people the whole time. Any wrongdoing is through manipulation.

[@spiderjerusalem4009]

the plutonian maybe

[@KryptonKr]

@@heszedjim9699 I saw the comic version. The voice acting one. It’s really good but how would they even make that into a movie? There’s so much going on in that comic

[@KryptonKr]

@BasketCase420 I think so? I’m not really sure because it’s not like the animated movie version. It’s literally just the comic pages moving. Their mouths don’t move at all. But there’s some voice acting for it. Technically it is sort of animated but I don’t want people to be confused with the other animated movie that came out recently

[@savagedarksider5934]

@@KryptonKr You're talking about the motion comic.

[@MisterRorschach90]

It would be very interesting to see a Martian manhunter turns evil story. Dude has the power of Superman and can shapeshift. He would be able to pose as people to take over the world.

[@dividendapacolypse6060]

Can't they kill him easily with fire though?

[@MisterRorschach90]

@@dividendapacolypse6060 well yeah but not if he does some crazy ancient method of making martians immune to fire or something. For the story. Or make it so that only a single type of fire can hurt him and it’s almost impossible to get.

[@just_mark5151]

There's already a storyline about J'onn (Martian Manhunter) being evil it was after the obsidian age storyline where he became Fernus.

[@fragtical8540]

such a story already exists but okay.

[@SuperShanko]

He did, and only one hero was able to beat him. Some say he’s one of the most powerful DC characters ever, able to challenge even Superman. That character being... Plastic Man.

[@nicwinsteadart5330]

I say watch Superman and Lois, right now it's the only well-written Superman property in the last few years. Everyone is so cynical, jaded and nihilistic about life and feels the need to take everything down that is good with it just so we can feel better about ourselves when Comics,TV and Movies are at their core about *fiction,fantasy and escapism* and to cut out that sense of *imagination* and drag us into the real world which sucks defeats the purpose. I generally don't like a lot of these "deconstruction" pieces that they're doing because at this point it's beating a dead horse and the brains are all over my pants right now it's a dime a dozen in times like these require an actual *Good Superman*

[@Janzer_]

Bravo. 💯

[@wokenlunatic2849]

I want to see an Evil Supergirl (like maybe a CW Injustice version and have Supergirl snapped after Alice made her lose control, because The Joker is not in CW and Alice is crazy as well, and it up to Batwoman and her team a long with The Green Arrow and Martian Manhunter and other heroes and Villains to stopped Supergirl)

[@mjss1984]

I think the stories about an "Alternate Superman" is that it is not immediately about the character being inherently evil. It is able to explore Nature vs Nurture dilemmas. Moral Dilemmas where the end goal in "noble/good" but the means are not how Superman would approach it if it were him. And that allows for a good story exploration. With characters like say Batman. The main thing about him is he is a regular human hero fighting with gods who refuses to kill (and has access to any gadget/solution due to science or riches). To change his morals, you'd only be "deleting" the line where he doesn't kill and he could be anyone. Ozymandias is an immediate character I could think of but I don't place him in the same "level" as a Batman, so it makes him less of a (enticing) character study/exploration. With Captain America less just and fair, it will just be a war mongering cap. So basically Punisher. Make him evil, then he is like Red Skull himself right? That's my take with the question as to why there are a lot of alternate Superman stories. But I wouldn't call the "Evil Superman analogues". There is a difference I feel in this concept.

[@mikeokol2822]

Because they have the ultimate powers. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely

[@spectraphantom9374]

Woah, looks like we got the pastor of philosophy over here

[@studiosupes]

I’ve always been of the Abe Lincoln saying. We all have the ability to endure adversity. But if you wish to truly test someone’s character, give them power.

[@gibbnasta]

I too read Animal Farm.

[@galio7741]

It didn't corrupt Clark, because he was raised by good parents

[@Peecamarke]

FACTS! 👌🏿

[@SuperRangerGuy1]

same goes for the Movie called "Brightburn" another analog of Superman with an evil streak.

[@Downer333]

Oh shit! Lol Andi figured it out. Alfred is just Old Man Bruce helping his clone be Batman 🤣

[@the_sixxness]

As a Army veteran and a comic fan I have to say that when you try to make Captain America evil it really pisses veteran fans off. Mainly because Steve Rogers represents us in the realm of superheroes. That's our guy.

[@JR-nw1li]

It's as simple as: it's easier to write pure evil rather than writing pure goodness

[@Peecamarke]

Id say thats HIGHLY subjective

[@mayotango1317]

Cof Spider-Man cof

[@rockdalianninja1056]

Doc Oc obviously becomes a volunteer proctologist ascending to proc oc

[@DerekNathan]

I honestly didn't even know there was this podcast, and we can see Benny talking about comics. It's great.

[@ThePhantom9495]

I think the reason we always see an evil superman stems from the idea that are good are stupid and childish, and that by making it evil and dark it somehow becomes more intelligent. If you ask me though saving a city and destroying it both have the same merit on an intellectual level: little to none, one's just more edgy.

[@josearmandoarreola1451]

Why does the middle look like Barry Allen from the series flash but just like a more skinny version

[@TheWereparadox]

Why do the deer always think the wolf evil... Oh wait thats a human trait.

[@zerokura]

Sometimes the deer is all dam it lugosi am your senpai now show me your teeth.

[@TheWereparadox]

@@zerokura Hey I speak just enough furry to know what that is. 😀 🐺🐰

[@zerokura]

@@TheWereparadox deer shove foot in wolf face. Think wolf think.

[@coconut_k00k]

What people seem to forget is that Captain America's creators were Jewish. Both of them went (I only know that Jack Kirby went for a fact) to war to fight against the Nazis, so making him a Nazi is disrespectful to the creators.

[@lordmorklen5166]

Same as Superman. Both creators were Jews.

[@ickyvicky]

Because it's easier to write an evil Superman then it is to write a good Superman.

[@isaiahmarshall2704]

Say it louder!!!

[@Peecamarke]

Isnt evil superman a recent thing since the 80s? 40+ years before then it was rare

[@MaximumSpider19]

If I may, I'm going to steal a comment I saw in Twitter: If you think writing about someone doing something good is hard, it says more about the writer than the actual character.

[@Jor-On]

That really only applies to writers that haven’t read any of the source material honestly

[@micah459]

@@MaximumSpider19 facts. Let's just be real and say most writers nowadays just aren't good

[@TevyaSmolka]

Personally I am burned out with evil Superman and honestly we seriously need a break from this stupid trope of evil Superman 24/7, like it blows my mind that we haven’t gotten another Superman animated series with him being a good person and him being a great family man with his wife Lois lane and his son Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self but that’s just my opinion.

[@studiosupes]

And they don’t realize. That superman is the heart and soul of the DC universe. Once superman goes, the DC universe goes.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@studiosupes indeed heck even in dceased superman was still a good person who protected his family but also saved people and tried his best to keep hope alive and when he got infected he went back to his family to say good bye which was really sad and depressing but at the same time though he went out as a hero, heck his son jon kent took up his father's mantle to stop infected superman his father even though he knew it was him he tried his best to stop him from destroying the arks he failed but he at least tried.

[@studiosupes]

@@TevyaSmolka people these days don’t seem to understand that you need the precious few aspirational examples out there. Otherwise your cathartic motivational heroes don’t work.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@studiosupes agreed and honestly that ain't fun of having no aspirational heroes because without those heroes we would just have like you said cathartic motivational antiheroes 24/7 who thinks killing is the best solution when clearly it isn't.

[@studiosupes]

@@TevyaSmolka well not just that, but the cathartic motivational heroes would have nothing to work towards in order to try and be better. It’d basically be shooting in the dark and hoping they get lucky in hitting something. If you want to aspire to something, to be better, you have to know what that aspiration looks like. But people nowadays act like it’s horrible to have a goal.

[@PIayer_01]

What I love about invincible is we get both evil Superman (Omniman) and young Superman (Invincible/Mark) best of both worlds

[@arjuna6224]

Unlike other evil superman, omniman had a reason as to why he killed the guardians of the globe, why he wanted to conquer the earth. He only killed them because he was born on a planet where the strongest only matter. He despised humans and had expressed his thoughts on how the human race is pathetic. The only thing that stopped him from being truly evil is because of how much time he spent on earth with a person that he truly loved and had a loving family which he did not want to be ruined. Yes Nolan loves Debbie. The whole 'she is just my pet' line is something similar to aot where eren spoke to misaka in a rude way but in reality both of them had affection for their loved ones but they just wanted them to stay away from their awful killing life.

[@fragtical8540]

Mark is in no way a young superman lol. Mark is a stupid teenager with hormone issues, Superman quite literally didnt do shit till he was an adult besides small stuff.

[@PIayer_01]

@@fragtical8540 more so in his spirit and not backing down against Omniman.

[@fragtical8540]

@@PIayer_01 Would you abandon everybody and everything you know for a race of people you didnt know existed till now? no. Nobody would. legit nobody would want to go with him. atleast if they arent complete sociopaths.

[@PIayer_01]

@@fragtical8540 if it meant being brutally killed by my father yeah I might, that fight was hopeless for Mark. His spirit was invincible tho

[@carbondragon]

You guys could do a show about villains who became (or tried to) heroes. Possible examples include Max Damage (Incorruptible), Riptide (Wearing the Cape), MechaniCal (D-List Super-villain series), Maxima (from various Justice League stories), Catwoman (Batman stories), etc. They're all different and all pretty fascinating.

[@nicwinsteadart5330]

And for those who think Superman should be evil Mahi do I suggest reading "what's so funny about truth justice and the American way" a excellently written story on why Clark shouldn't be "deconstructed"

[@ValGOPLock]

It makes Superman himself one of a kind.

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

I don't think its just power but hope, that's why turning Cap evil was also a big deal. If there is no hope its easy to fear.

[@anionhero]

To answer the question of why did Lex Luthor get poisoned by his Kryptonite ring and Batman didn't; Lex was constantly wearing the ring openly to keep Superman away from him. Batman kept the ring in a leaf box until it was needed.

[@anthonychang1426]

I wish I can hear them banter like that all day

[@Wiklina616]

People were up for evil Superman in Injustice, because it wasn't a in cannon story. Cap was changed in cannon Superman in else worlds story. Also Injustice is just written better

[@bsousabjj]

Did everyone just casually forget about Dark Knights Metal? and like, literally every single evil batman that came from it?

[@binsoku6]

Or Midnighter

[@fragtical8540]

not to mention the intire batman run of 2020 was about evil thomas wayne batman... I think these guys failed to read any comics the last 5 years.

[@bsousabjj]

@@fragtical8540 The weird thing that bothers me is that they’ve covered most of it. Must be bad memory or I guess this comics don’t fit their specific evil Batman criteria

[@fragtical8540]

@@bsousabjj sometimes i think benny isnt an actual comic book fan and just does it for the money. Cause how the hell do you forgot like 11 characters and then sit there talking about how 2 evil supermen is way too much? xD

[@josiahdensby2053]

It's not that they forget, but it's the fact that that was all in the last decade. Batman had pure evil versions only recently, while people making alternate Supermen evil for decades: from Superboy Prime to the Authority to the Boys to Invincible, with many more before, in-between, and probably more in three future. Batman is often just shown as paranoid, and usually the writer will make it look justifiable because Superman exists.

[@marcusaurelius117]

I think the reason why superman consistently is used as a representation of a good guy going evil is superman in dc comics has always been presented as the greatest and best of dc hes the one you always will expect to say he will find another way instead of resorting to more morally compromising choices hes just such a good person so casually and normally that hes genuinely in world universe ending events actually chosen the path of less resistence or even sometimes attempt to defuse the entire situation when litterally all those around him just say lets just kill it or something like that or just lock it up its that hope that things can be better is what makes people turn superman evil so much because its just such an intriging idea what happens when the absolute best representation of good in dc comics goes evil and turns all that hope and love into hate and rage

[@RetaliationStudios1997]

I'm currently working on a Superman-type character in my superhero comic series, "The Kids", but he's not evil. He's a true symbol of peace and justice: He always smiles, always happy to lend a helping hand, and respects people -- even when that person is a total A-hole.

[@smashbro67]

From everything that’s been said in this episode, why hasn’t there been more evil versions of Thor? He’s an alien god so people can’t relate to him much. Like let’s say there’s a story where Thor becomes king of Asgard and decides that the only way to protect Midgar is to rule over it.

[@jerw1957]

Ragnarok, not 100% Thor but he was a clone version of thor that killed Goliath

[@thewackness95]

I'm a huge superman fan and it seems and talking to alot of other fans they prefer him evil cause it's more realistic *which I disagree with so I think because the world is more cynical they can't buy an optimistic protagonist with that much power eventhough he's not all powerful

[@studiosupes]

They should see Superman vs the elite.

[@darlalathan6143]

Tell 'em to think about all the times they wish somebody would bust all those nasty criminals, tyrants and war criminals they see on the 6'o' clock news every day.

[@Peecamarke]

Im not a Superman fan, never been since a kid. I've accepted that I'm just not his demographic BUT, I can tell a lot of the various modern superman types are an attempt to appeal to people outside the normal fan base. Or maybe people like me who are grown up comic writers now are trying to put their own stamp on superman. So now there's two groups: "Power corrupts absolutely" and.. "There has to be ONE being whose incorruptible"

[@galio7741]

Which is dumb, Superman is great

[@studiosupes]

I d say the other group is of the Abe Lincoln saying when it comes to power. We all have the ability to withstand adversity. But if you truly wish to test someone’s character. Give them power. If it’s in their character to be corrupted, then they’ll be corrupted.

[@mayotango1317]

Just read Superman Rebirth.

[@hughwang9603]

You guys should do invincible as a series since it was a hit and new fans of the show and I’ll want more so I feel you guys being a reliable source for comics you guys would most probably be the best for it

[@tajanisc]

Amazon does not allow it. The channel is finally on good terms with Marvel and DC, I don't think they want to take on Amazon now

[@fragtical8540]

You do realize they are not gonna do it because comicsexplained is running them? They are literally best friends and have been partners. They arent gonna step over eachtothers feet.

[@wynnefox]

I actually remember Darkwing Duck, who is a Batman as we all know, went totalitarian dictator in a future where his daughter dies.

[@hephsforge9236]

It’s honestly as simple as superman is THE superhero. While you guys are focusing on him being evil, in general, his character mold is the most identifiable and used of all heroes. Even Darkwing Duck who basically is a cartoony Batman-like character parodied Superman’s origin.

[@alexgogaming6008]

Simple: Superman is a symbol of hope to the world, in the dc universe, the justice league can die but if Superman dies the world goes panic mode, and so because Superman is a symbol of hope is why he is the greatest, taking hope and making it gore, is an awesome experiment, they want to show a different Superman, but instead of hope, they are evil for other mcs to stop them or cause they sell, so that’s why homelander and Omni man sold, but it’s not why they can’t top Superman

[@DenderFriend]

I think that My Adventures With Superman is definitely going to bring back the pure-of-heart Superman whose conflicts revolve around actual personal dilemmas and not just 'oh no maybe being Superman is bad'

[@SuperShanko]

I think the whole series is just gonna be plucky and upbeat, not necessarily one with inner conflict and such...... and then the trailer hits and it’s Invincible 2.0.😂

[@viewtyrecruit6715]

I'm not super informed on the batman comics, but I'd like to think the reason Batman never makes a copy or whatever of anyone else is that he believes they deserve a proper, humane end as opposed to himself. It's the mission he started, and it'll be his mission to finish.

[@thejpshow15]

I would say the reason people like injustice Superman is he was actually acting like a normal person “you mean a random clown guy who Batman has been fighting for years causing the death of my wife and unborn child and my city and I’m not suppose to become a murderhobo?” Like every person I know hates Batman because he won’t kill joker even tho at this point in canon joker has killed at least a million people.....injustice Superman had the most human reaction a man could have to that kind of lost

[@Golden-berry]

Superman was so Docile when he was raised at the lab And thin with no nutrients on his body at flash point

[@russellchung3119]

I feel like it's a combination between Superman being one of the most recognizable superhero, him being a symbol of hope, and him being powerful. Just a thought: Black Label Constantine Kills the DC Universe

[@yamatonoryuujin4871]

Its just a spin on Power which is really the main thing...for Clark it’s difficult because he was raised differently in fact he was raised well, certain circumstances, but overall it’s down to Jonathan and Martha...man I tear up a little with that; “Perfectly Good parents” are hard to come by now a days not because every parent is evil, but because most parents don’t have the time anymore, responsibilities ya see and pressure for family, for their livelihoods. For Clark the struggle was always about keeping himself “Human” what it meant to be “Human” what it meant to “Control” every aspect of yourself and come out as a better person not to simply be looked up to but for you to at the end of your journey say that you did good, you changed things for the better as little as it may be; ironic as it is with his scale of power. Him and Bruce have an understanding of the rules, but for Clark it’s more difficult and Bruce understands it somewhat; ordinary people can’t always choose that route cause They don’t have those powers but for Clark it’s always open but he chooses to shut it out most of the time and thats why they’re best friends they know what it’s like to stare at that door and have the courage to close it and say no. It’s difficult especially for people you grow to hate and resent, is it always “following the rules is good”? No, I think one of the reasons he follows those rules to begin with is to also show that even if those rules aren’t perfect you can always show that if you follow the rules enough you can completely beat your enemy at their own game and at the same time prove that fairness can be found in laws that are imperfect as long is it gives a fighting chance to the innocent even if others look to them as guilty, it’s not always a success but he tries that first before anything else. Which is why Mark from Invincible is a fair parallel to Superman than Omniman. As Omniman said himself “...Mark you’ve changed things.” Thats what it was for Clark except at that point there wasn’t an entire Kryptonian population still functioning and dominating worlds as an obsession. Both probably asked or were asked the same thing at some point “What would they have in 10 or 1000 years?” To them it’s clear, they’ll have the people they care about physically, mentally or even dare I say Spiritually, and that’s it, for all their powers they just want something simple in the end, they are people in the end, they latch onto others not to depend on them for every little thing but to find people who could walk beside them as equals.

[@warlord8106]

Because frank millar and the batman fanboys who loved the dark knight returns have been groomed to have nothing but a negative attitude towards the character and encourage others to see him in the negative aswell, to indulge in their favoritism for Batman at Superman's own expense.

[@ExiILe00]

I used Honey and found a divorce attorney at a discount.

[@robb911]

Comics largely adapt to the times around them. At present the world is quite a cynical place. We’ve been shown that those in power, even more so than yesteryear, have been corrupt and misguided. Here you have this powerful figure… we can’t imagine that someone so powerful could be so good or wouldn’t have skeletons in his closet. It’s a shame because that’s the opposite of what’s needed but that’s all these writers seem to pump out.

[@mayotango1317]

Cof MCU Captain America cof

[@DJmouchi777]

@@mayotango1317 Exactly. Outside of power level, they are the same character archetype.

[@ss7cindersh]

the biggest good guy is now the bad guy story event in dc is dc metal where there is every form of batman you can think of has gone bad.

[@mjmellan]

Batman fights street scum & ignores white collar crime but superman fights & dies for all mankind, good or bad.

[@andrewedwards3005]

Because the writers don't know how to write a good superman

[@sangera]

As Anakin once said, "From my point of view The Batman is evil!"

[@StarbaseAce]

I think the reason why we won’t or shouldn’t get an in universe evil Superman is because you need light to have dark. If Superman is evil then what’s the point of all these stories about evil Superman/Superman-like characters. It’s now become such a trope that even some people find the Invincible show as cliche because even if the comic did it first, the show is coming out after so many other movies and shows that use the same idea. If you want evil Superman stories to work, you need Superman to be incorruptible. That switch needs to seem impossible for the story to really grab your attention. It’s more interesting to corrupt the beacon of hope than to corrupt someone who is already halfway there.

[@lightningblue1994]

While it wasn't Steve Rogers, there was a story with William Burnside taking over his role for a time and completely went against his ideals

[@thegreatguldo9956]

Evil wonder woman I'd pay to see that

[@tajanisc]

so basically every other day. She's evil almost every other story

[@spartanMN300]

Injustice Wonder Woman.

[@SuperShanko]

@@spartanMN300 Injustice isn’t really evil, it’s more about flexing hard on saving the world. Injustice WW was at worse an enabler, but you don’t see her cutting the ears off a subordinate who failed their mission or anything. But if anything, Superman was by far the worst of the heroes.

[@darlalathan6143]

Evil Wonder Woman would be a genocidal TERF who'd kill everybody with a penis, lol!

[@binsoku6]

My two cents would be that the reason Hydra!Cap was hated was because it was taking the creation of Jewish man and making him aligned with what were LITERALLY NAZIS

[@prosperotorres7965]

Plutonian from Irredeemable

[@wyllypys940]

Superman is the perfect villain he is so over powered it'd be impossible to stop him and he is a character who thinks he's doing the right thing. Injustice was written so well it's my favorite storyline from any comic

[@wokenlunatic2849]

In The TV Show Smallville, they kinda made Young Superman Evil when he put on a Red Kryptonite Ring on and call himself as his True Alien Name Kal-El

[@davidpledger9842]

Great show guys

[@volgax3646]

Same reason people take a magnifying glass to ants

[@wokenlunatic2849]

Stevevil Roger sounds like Deadpool would called him (like Captain Hydra broke out and Deadpool said *“OH NO IT’S STEVEVIL ROGER!”* just make fun of him, because he’s Deadpool)

[@Deinzu]

Didn't Bruce make a machine that could make anyone Batman if they survive the process

[@zerokura]

Sounds like the three jokers story but batman liking the idea and start using it to make batmans.

[@gerardorodriguez7500]

First It was BrightBurn, Second Homelander and now Omni-Man, all Supermen Evil

[@britniemichel2585]

Homelander isn’t evil Superman neither is Omni Man ...they were never raised with some virtue and turned evil

[@gerardorodriguez7500]

@@britniemichel2585 I hope Invincible gets a 2nd season next year

[@CJSai64]

"Why is *Superman* always evil?" Or "Why *are* Supermen always evil?" That's two correct versions of your title.

[@kanoy7817]

I think it was on purpose

[@darlalathan6143]

Perhaps cynical cartoonists and readers are sick of good Superman's Iconic Outfit, Incorruptible Pure Pureness and Contractual Purity.

[@AceTheCap823]

There has been a lot of evil batmen (Owlman for example) hell Dark Knight’s metal was all abt evil batmen……also guy in the middle is right, sure Batman’s a super ninja/super genius/super soldier but if he goes bad he’s just a John Wick on super steroids, Superman, Flash, WW, etc can just stop him (unless you give evil batman plot armor or similar powers to Superman, Flash, etc like in Dark Knight’s Metal) also we did have evil Captain America but also just call up Thor or Thing or Sentry or Iron Man and Steve would be stopped

[@AceTheCap823]

Also I don’t Superman would turn evil even after all that happens in Injustice, Martha and John Kent instilled a heart of gold in him

[@mathieuleader8601]

the original bald incarnation of Superman was evil

[@EvilLeprechuan]

Well we did get batman as a villian, a whole slew of them at once... whole DC metal events anyone?

[@lunarSoul0]

You've never heard the "Double the resources" argument for Thanos?

[@clarisacalderon9555]

I would go utterly ballistic if real superman offically went dark.

[@nathanmomotiuk]

I love how there saying there like no evil Batman and we just had two events that where all evil Batman

[@Jamesw23able]

Isn’t Lex Luthor already an evil Batman?

[@mayotango1317]

No, a Donald Trump parody.

[@Sonjacrow]

Yes. He’s super rich, in really good shape, uses his riches for advanced robotics and technology to fight meta humans. So yes

[@mayotango1317]

@@Sonjacrow No, Maxwell Lord is more like a evil Batman.

[@Sonjacrow]

@@mayotango1317 he’s pretty much the same as Lex Luthor. He’s an evil super rich businessman who uses his human talents and money to purchase computers to fight meta humans. The only difference really is his father committed suicide and in Invasion crossover Maxwell inherited superpowers making him a meta human.

[@Jamesw23able]

@@mayotango1317 nah Maxwell Lord had powers

[@TubezThe1]

If Wonder Woman went evil, she'd basically take over the world. She is the Daughter of Zeus, had magic to take Superman, is the best fighter on Earth, is a master tactician, and can talk to animals. Not to mention has a whole army of immortal warriors and mages at her side. And probably the and probably the Greek pantheon, at least some of them.

[@TenshiR]

Isn't Grail the evil version of Wonder woman?

[@TubezThe1]

@@TenshiR Yes and no. Yes, she's an Amazon, like Diana, but she isn't an evil version of her. She was born from an Amazon and Darkseid's affair.

[@jamarumaikeru1714]

Batman: bright burn.... Superman: DONT SAY THAT NAME!

[@knowing1399]

Also I think the reason that most people didn't like Hydra Cap was because they said that it was the OG Steve, and making him part of Hydra just means that his entire character up until that point is null and void, and makes zero sense, and saying he was in it for the long game is even more stupid. Honestly if they made it separate Cap in another multiverse it would have been WAY better, but trying to do it with the OG Cap is why it fell apart.

[@98TrueRocker98]

I like the mexican-raised Superman from Gods and Monsters

[@scionixx9568]

Didnt Batman go evil in that one series and become “the Batman who laughs” and was basically an unstoppable asshole?

[@davidpledger9842]

If I could like this video more than once I would. Great conversation

[@trunks38109]

If you have that much power you’re going to be like I can do whatever the fuck I want.

[@fredflux2738]

It’s like horror movies, we like things that scare us.

[@plushiesdx]

2:59 The theory is it's symbolic

[@inkdweller8584]

I think with if some mortals with powers of gods are bound to become evil but not all I mean Blue marvel counts as a super man I think

[@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307]

Batman is already a villain since he doesn’t kill his villains. He’s an enabler to some of the most dangerous people! Poison ivy wants to kill all humans to save plants. Superman is a lot more human because he has a line that no one can cross. You kill his family and he kills you while Batman…you can do whatever you want with his family and he won’t do a damn thing. Joker crippled Barbra? Nothing. Possibly raped her? Nothing. Jim being forced to see those pictures of his daughter in agony? Nothing. Jason gets killed? Nothing. Joker infects Alfred with a joker toxin and possibly cut the bat families faces off? Nothing. If Superman didn’t kill joker in injustice then Batman would’ve just locked joker up in Arkham only for him to break out again and do something worse. This is the greatest superhero ever? Really? Or is this just fantard shit? I wouldn’t mind the “no kill rule” if they don’t bring it up cause it brings up so many questions and answers make no sense!