Commander Clash: Elder Dragon Strixhaven | S10 E14

[@rakghoul6393]

Those editor's notes were pure gold, I appreciate you editor

[@Nastyn1nja808]

Gold!!!! Crazy stats!!!! Also I thought Tomer does editing???

[@TheSpiritombsableye]

It's usually Tomer editing. That's why Tomer often calls out the editor

[@zach_attack2324]

Magic plants in ya house tomer

[@Niuttuc]

@@Nastyn1nja808 Tomer did the editing for the first batch of seasons (and still does the editing for the commander clash podcast and his other content) but the last few seasons of commander clash hasn't been (except for S9E27, IIRC).

[@Baatosanabe]

You guys should also do a Richard, Timer, and Crim Scoop stickers.

[@jckleme]

If every human on the planet has 20 life and SaffronOlive split up his damage equally he would kill all 7.7 billion of us 2,284 times. Seth is an MTGO extinction event and then some.

[@lucidlullaby894]

Now i *have* to watch the entire video to find out how Seth Megidoladynes the board

[@spencerkirkham5952]

So he just killed every human on the planet for the next 22 seasons of Commander Clash XD

[@Cookie_Nova]

unless some of us play infinite life gain decks! >:3

[@justwantawholename]

@@Cookie_Nova Seth would've killed a player who performed an infinite life combo to its fullest on MTGO

[@chadcharest9891]

I once did a 67 digit number in damage to someone with a Chameleon Colossus without going infinite. You can do worse.

[@SylphIcilio]

Beyond happy that Tomer may have punted a bit, as it led to game one ending in the most spectacular non-infinite way I've ever witnessed. Legit, thanks guys. That game was perfection. That was what EDH is all about.

[@seanv42]

It's not about winning or losing, it's about the clown fiestas we had along the way.

[@vipper57779]

Also HUGE props to the editor for putting the math in there. Cool to know and espicially about how much overkill it was exactly lol

[@robertabugelis3962]

I just want to thank you for a comment that does not spoil "who" needed the math on screen. After an hour or so, I might be able to sus it out, but right now, at the start. No idea! Thanks for a spoiler free comment!

[@robertabugelis3962]

Wow! Editor math was worth it!! A billion times over. 😂 Lol

[@vipper57779]

I guess it's slightly spoiler since we see seth with the exponential early on but it was just too cool and I respect the effort. A billion times over!

[@mikeputhuff7593]

@@robertabugelis3962 opppopop

[@williampatey3280]

@@robertabugelis3962 on

[@ctomsky]

Commander Clash Moment: "Hey, remember that time Seth killed Crim for 169 Billion years? Good times..."

[@pauljaton5128]

“we’re not going to game two right?!”.... “OK GAME TWO!” thank you for the games gentlemen ❤️

[@atle853]

Richard "mono six drops" seth "nobody's playing fast decks" richards hand: 1 drops /gottem

[@solarraine4902]

Don't worry Tomer, we all saw the Ravenform that was just chilling there :)

[@Dayyyjoey26]

Niuttuc went crazy with the editing. So amazing

[@345tom]

The more I watch the more sure that Crim is the real hero, or maybe the Anti hero of the group. Yes, his cards can be miserable, but I find he's more supportive of people popping off, less whiny about bad beats and happily takes the villain/arch enemy role regardless of his actual position.

[@theomniarch7405]

@345tom ^This

[@RasmusVJS]

Crim isn't the hero we want, but the hero we need right now.

[@josephpayton7522]

I find him super whiny when people are deciding who to hit. He says "legitimately" way too much and when someone says he's a threat, he asks "What am I gonna do?" As if he isn't playing magic or something. I'm glad we're getting a season off but I do like his play.

[@lordmeep5803]

I absolutely loved watching Seth pop off. Plus the code analysis and math? One of my favorite episodes ever.

[@NeiroAtOpelCC]

The game 1 win here is probably the best thing I've seen in commander clash ever

[@ryanperry4641]

Seth's "It's gonna work out" regarding the mulligan made me snap like the video

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

That first win was the best I've ever seen (and editor's notes were *chef's kiss*)

[@keep7smiling]

Seth having 27 mana available after demonic tutor, where torment of hailfire would kill everyone twice easily, but searches up e-wit and fog instead is the most seth thing ever.

[@jeffe2267]

I could not stop yelling at the screen here lol

[@ctomsky]

So looking through Seth's decklist, the most mana he could make in a single turn is 1453, or X=725. Seth only did X=46, roughly 6% of his max potential. 5 x 2^725 would equal: *882,504,362,096,317,967,796,596,513,188,946,207,297,298,097,453,617,976,463,563,103,394,591,821,987,874,531,220,585,600,311,009,374,053,405,582,968,213,748,930,663,530,270,586,997,171,133,297,840,152,170,658,259,623,778,588,348,787,678,947,522,653,969,852,413,674,174,837,135,790,739,292,160*

[@RasmusVJS]

Can you round that to 9*10^x please? :D

[@Nouxatar]

@@RasmusVJS 8.8 * 10^218 (it's been months and you probably don't care anymore but I saw this and couldn't pass up bringing it up lol)

[@Rad343]

Crim being a rapscallion, Richard having a legit board state and playing fair, Tomer getting dunked on, and Seth winning in an absurd, durdly manner... All is right with the Command Clash

[@Rad343]

Tomer storming off in fancy, blue/red manner is also quite alright

[@cinco_de_la_tarde]

Turns out Witherbloom is the actual math college and Seth decided to give everyone a lesson in the absurdity of doubling power and toughness

[@RasmusVJS]

But he did it with a Quandrix card.

[@eathonhowell7414]

Witherbloom is the real old money college. Silverquill is new money by comparison.

[@noahboye4790]

For real, shout out to the editor. Not only for clarifying stuff the guys talked about, but making things super clear for my viewing perspective 👏

[@jackpabich763]

Just remember everyone, Seth kept a 1 land opener for G1. How can that ever be the wrong play?

[@edwardjrackley]

Definitely over 9000 damage. What a game!

[@nitramreniar]

Out of so many great moments in this episode my favourite part is still Richard going "I won't attack Tomer, so he counters the fog .... I'll hit Crim instead"

[@Karl_Hungus_Nihilist]

The Goldfish crew's banter is always S tier and makes me laugh. Truly am I jealous of their play group and wish i was a part of it, lol

[@VRanger100]

I hope WOTC prints more support for Elder Tribal. The tribe needs to come out of retirement after all.

[@babassoonist557]

hey Tomer, resident Vorthos here, you're thinking of the Elder Dragon War, the war started when vivictus azmodi attaked nicol bolas, awhich goes on for a few thousand years and along the way all the other dominaria descendants of the Ur-Dragon get pulled into it until only 7 elder dragons remained in the end. the brother war was fought between Urza and his brother, Mishra

[@enricogobbo7327]

I love how seth overflowed modo's variables and it's a nice insight on how mtgo has a plan around it (while other famous card games do not)

[@michaelcho6484]

Seth with the exponential power swole move with exponential growth was one of the best things ive seen here in the channel

[@mitchelldarragh4048]

Poor Lorehold, even with a new name and new cards, Boros gets left out again

[@michaelcho6484]

yeah i was honestly surprised. i thought lorehold was interesting to brew but hopefully theyll make a future episode on the dragon

[@mitchelldarragh4048]

@@michaelcho6484 Yeah usually when there are 5 core legends they feature the one left out in the next episode, like for War of the Spark

[@UniGya]

To be fair, Velomachus Lorehold is probably the least interesting Lorehold commander from Strixhaven, so I’d save playing a Lorehold deck for a different week is comparatively boring compared to

[@jasonkorf7700]

Imo, Lorehold is the least powerful of the Strixhaven Elder Dragons and the 7 Mana casting cost doesn't help justify playing it in the Command Zone. With that said, it's definitely an auto include in Feather decks.

[@imapaincake2305]

@@jasonkorf7700 Is He? How many times does feather decks tap out 7 mana and not let protection spells open?

[@MWorl91]

Seth playing as archenemy the entire game and still winning in such a dominant fashion is one of the biggest flexes I’ve ever seen. I would say that Beledros looks busted but honestly I’m not sure if Beledros was even necessary

[@MWorl91]

Also, when Seth cast New Frontiers, Tomer couldn’t get ALL of his basics because he had more than 19 left in his deck. He revealed at the beginning that he had like 25 basics in his deck and he only had 2 or 3 on the field when New Frontiers was cast for 19.

[@taylorjones1641]

Seth, thank you for the playful trolling. It brings infinite joy to these games.

[@timothygorski2581]

I like how whenever Tomer points to an imaginary link and says editor over here, the editor is like nah dog I ain't doing that. No links for you ever.

[@DimbyHero]

Always a delight. I've got some commander with friends in two weeks. It'll be the first time in over a year, and games like this remind me of those. Thank you for getting me through the drought!

[@LoDuris1]

Thank you for the calculations Editor!

[@AlGoreRhythm227]

Now that I have a better understanding of Magic and am able to follow along better, this has easily become my favorite EDH channel. Great stuff

[@disturbedcanon4765]

"Is this it?... Can't I just sacrifice lands" *Tomer hides from the camera*

[@matthewknecht7365]

Tomer, I've been saying that about Retrace for YEARS!!! Been saving my copies JUST for that!! THANK YOU!!!

[@thomashearne4670]

And thus tomer learned why his budget answers are budget lol

[@nitramreniar]

The ending of both games were absolutely WILD - what a great episode made even better by the editors comments!

[@aaschmit]

"Were they wrong to ban it (Drannith Magistrate) in Brawl?" - Saffron Olive *crickets*

[@xxballisticxx2363]

If your deck doesn't work without the commander and it can't deal with a weak creature is it really the creatures fault?

[@vipper57779]

Not at all wrong. 3 players can answer the 1/3 in commander a lot easier than one player can in heads up brawl. Espicially if the player with it has protection. Also the point of playing commander is to use your commander so yeah it's the creatures fault.

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

@@xxballisticxx2363 if you are in UG then your options are pretty limited

[@ianmcabee8036]

@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 good

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

@@ianmcabee8036 how is it good that 2 colours can be completely locked out of their commander?

[@maxbremer5826]

Thank you Seth, that game 1 ending was beautiful! And thank you editor for doing the math.

[@VRanger100]

Witherbloom did more math than Quandrix this game and I love it.

[@anthonylewis6656]

Tomer listing off cards that go against the sprit of the format gave me mad fairly odd parents intro vibes

[@redstonepro5412]

1:04:00 it is propably -32768 (2^15), because integers are only on the positive capped to 2^x-1, on the negative side they are capped to 2^x

[@Niuttuc]

Good catch! No need to count 0 twice.

[@Pokemonnz201]

Someone needs to tweet this to MTGtop5

[@SteakOSaurier]

how awesome is it that Crim's haircolor matches his Color Identity?? 😍

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

OMG that number is amazing. Legendary

[@barronlucas8054]

I love how the editor flips Tomer’s video in the intro. I thought I was going crazy gut I guess it’s an inside joke now

[@h3g20]

Can’t wait to see Shadrix in action! I am building a shadrix politics deck rn, and it is a challenge

[@jamescampbell2353]

I've seen a shadrix tokens deck which was very underwhelming, but other than that it seems like Breena has been more popular

[@Guavamente]

25:16 you can see the moment his soul left his body as the card was cast during his rant

[@Evyon25121]

One of the best episodes ever! Hilarious commentary, fantastic editing, and amazing gameplay =D

[@light-chemistry]

Richard in 2021: “I’m waiting for 3 sided cards” Alchemy 2022: “hold my 6 sided nonsense”

[@davidhansen5067]

That was an incredible game 1. So glad Tomer punted and let it happen. Also some lovely math.

[@ebonezra8073]

Now, I can't unsee Tomer's plant swap. Thanks, Richard.

[@jameshayes-barber9340]

26:13 crim took my advice about snow basics and field of the dead. YAY

[@seoreh3138]

The perfect Tomer cam swap thanks editor

[@JLPAG1]

Tomer sitting on Raven Form with the ability to get rid of Nyxbloom or Whiterbloom once it enters, just to jump through a series of hoops to punt. I'm feeling pretty tilted right now lol

[@wawrzyniecbonk5226]

not Witherbloom, its a sorcery

[@shinsua_]

@@wawrzyniecbonk5226 the dragon

[@wawrzyniecbonk5226]

@@shinsua_ the dragon went off on Seth's turn , the same turn he casted it, tomer couldn't cast a sorcery on seth's turn

[@shinsua_]

@@wawrzyniecbonk5226 Ravenform is a sorcery too so *shrug*

[@wawrzyniecbonk5226]

@@shinsua_ ?! Thats exackly what I am saying, Tomer couldn't remove the Witherbloom dragon with Ravenform, because Ravenform is a sorcery... But even if it was an instant, Seth could use the dragon's ability to untap lands anyway

[@chicago928]

Seth playing my fave of the dragons, and Richard playing my favorite kind of deck. CAN'T WAIT!

[@JoshRudis]

Fun fact: retraced image is one of the few ways to get an aura attached to a creature with shroud (or opponent's creature with hexproof).

[@jewpcabra666]

So thankful for the comp sci/math comments by the editor. Love the discrepancy in modo for integers... you would think after strixhaven they would increase lifetotals/token counts/powers to a larger int or something (like youtube did post gangnam style)

[@damnjekyll]

The tradition of Tomer being trashed about what cards he chooses to play by the crew AS he's in the process of destroying all their morale at once, will always be one of my favorites. 😅

[@lordmeep5803]

I cannot unsee the plant flip

[@jckleme]

My friends and I sat down for MTG today and Seth killed us

[@anxez]

Strixhaven had 4 innovative flavor designs and 4 innovative mechanical designs. Prismari kinda fell into classic ravnica mechanics and Witherbloom into classic ravnica flavor.

[@sunstrid3r44]

I think they did great with the school, but Galazeth is "poorly" designed in that regard, prismari theme and magecraft were designed for big splashy and expensive spells, but Galazeth fits too much into spellslinger/izzet

[@lukastrucka9447]

10 out of 10 Super sweet match gamerzzz. Maybe a bit overkill 😂😂but.... You love to see it

[@solarraine4902]

Zendikar Resurgent produces the additional mana, not the land. So Nyxbloom only triples the land to 3 mana and then zendikar adds 1 additional.

[@keeganlucas2071]

That Ravenform just sitting there in Tomer's hand was real triggering haha.

[@jameslawson790]

Sorcery

[@Jesin00]

The ongoing feud over Ondu Inversion is hilarious.

[@blackmist33]

The plant flip cracks me up everytime.

[@monkeyprince1343]

After Tomer's plants being pointed out on a previous episode, I can't unsee it now

[@ashadeofnight]

V glad you're doing outros again!

[@Dijalnar]

All I ever see is the editor flipping Tomer's screen now for the link pointing lol.

[@DarthTUK]

Crim, now reporting from the SHADOW REALM Loved the overkill

[@jackl8025]

32:55 seems like Seth could win with Repay in Kind into Torment of Hailfire for X = 20-something, perhaps over two turns, rather that tutoring the fog.

[@wawrzyniecbonk5226]

That is one of the best episodes ever

[@chadcharest9891]

If you make a Scoops Playmat that is a copy of a bird card (Fledgling Osprey in particular would be good) and Richard will sign it, I will 100% buy it. You have my word.

[@Meister_Gurkensalat]

Yes!!! game 2 is back!

[@markheisler5118]

I am screaming watching Seth’s control of crim’s turn. Oh it hurts my brain lol

[@girlhunter2102]

I just figured out Crim’s T-shirt...”no Patrick mayonnaise is not an instrument.”

[@RoomateNSNL]

Sweet Win Seth. That was awesome!

[@trn288]

Crazy overflow, nice content

[@rexone9564]

What I really want is a stapler signed by Richard. With like fancy gold Ink

[@vipper57779]

I adore Seth's deck but his plays during the worst fears turn hurt my soul. Couldve frontiers for one to get crim a black source then wrecked his board and saved the trophy. Also might have personally tutored the wildest dreams to get the tutors and card draw back next turn or just torment. You KNOW twitch chat ALWAYS calls for blood so hail fire was definitely tthe answer lmao. Still quite a fun episode!!

[@vipper57779]

I will quantify that though with Seth's eventual line was still fantastic

[@jeffe2267]

Those turns were so painful to watch

[@Zentenski]

Thank you for the math, editor!

[@jjohansen86]

Editor is the MVP this time around.

[@someguy7102]

Seth deals so much damage, Crim's account gets deleted

[@PalPlays]

Worth is reborn, gets on a bus, travels to Crim's house, and suplexes him on-camera.

[@necroinsanity2639]

I'd vote for the editor as winner for this episode ^-^

[@joshjohnson4319]

That was amazing lmfao. Loved it guys

[@Antomaru]

YES, shout out to Keldon Firebomber.

[@thomaschapman7658]

I nearly fell off my chair at that ending to game 1

[@kyled00m]

Seth's win was exciting.

[@Dragonspeaker]

I can't not notice the flip flopping plant after Seth pointed it out....

[@jjohansen86]

When Seth used the Assassin's Trophy, I really wanted him to hit Field of the Dead because the Viscera Seer could still get rid of the Magistrate.

[@douglassmith8069]

I love watching tomer play control colors and then being like why is everyone asking me for answers 😂😂 happens A Lot. And then he has Raven form in his hand like the entire game and doesnt exile the magistrate or the nyxbloom😂😂

[@sunstrid3r44]

He couldnt cast ravenform, he foretold ravenform and with dranith magistrate on the field opponents cant cast anything outside their hands (a foretold card is cast from exile)

[@douglassmith8069]

@@sunstrid3r44 raven form was in his hand. You can see it as the right most card and it's the first cards he draws. Plus he reveals later after the magistrate is gone that the card he foretold was glimpse the multiverse or whichever card has Niko on it

[@MeriadocMyr]

31:22 Resurgent doesn't tap to add mana, so it doesn't get tripled

[@winssports4830]

This was the greatest thing I've ever seen 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kristopherwatts9466]

Inb4 tomer and Richard realize how wrong they were on the banlist xD

[@LadyMorrigan]

I lived through the Dark Prime Time days.... with Field of the Dead... its not gonna be fun lol

[@Kaprak10]

They won't. But because certain very very OP cards will make the moderately OP, but still banworthy cards look fair.

[@kristopherwatts9466]

@@LadyMorrigan I've heard.. I've also heard about how.. awful it was with Sylvan Primordial

[@LadyMorrigan]

@@kristopherwatts9466 Lets just say that Flash Sylvan Primordial was a VERY common occurrence lol, and basically ended the game on the spot. Not to mention Bribery for opponents Sylvan Primordial, Reanimate on Sylvan Primordial..... It was pretty gross lol. Hes basically a 6-for-1 on an ETB.

[@kristopherwatts9466]

@@LadyMorrigan Ya that's what I've heard. Rush to who got Prime Time out first, or rush to who got Primordial out first. I honestly feel like Richard is looking at it through a cEDH lens, and Tomer is basing things off of current cards in the meta and their powet level... while not realizing just how impactful these cards are. I'm honestly looking forward to them realizing how wrong they are(hopefully)

[@iancorcoran5961]

Nyxbloom Ancient: "I am Groooooooot!!!"

[@beckettoneill3327]

Wow, that sure is a superior highland lake

[@felixcarle2217]

The univers is around 13,7 x 10^9 years old (we say 13billion). Seth Nyxbloom Ancient had 3,5 x 10^14 power. That means, if this was an magical Nyxbloom, which would create for each 1 point of attack damage, 1 year of an hole universe, Seth would have createt 27000 Universes like ours (with all an age of 13billion years...) and sorry for the german english xD

[@jesusmunoz6372]

That was awesome seth!

[@eusouzoom]

Now I can't unsee the magic plant lol