Commander Clash S5 E12: Viewer Submitted Decks!! (Tatyova vs. Ramos vs. Tariel vs. Elesh Norn)

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@timsantiago8392
@timsantiago8392 6 жыл бұрын
I have an idea for an episode. Against the odds deck. All the decks are based off of against the odds decks.
@BuckysKnifeFlip
@BuckysKnifeFlip 6 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@samuelsumuel9683
@samuelsumuel9683 6 жыл бұрын
Siege Rhinos please.
@isaacescobedo5633
@isaacescobedo5633 6 жыл бұрын
Tom once played a deck filled with a bunch of Seth’s Against the Odds combos and synergies
@timsantiago8392
@timsantiago8392 6 жыл бұрын
@@isaacescobedo5633 see I want something like that but Tom just played all the against the odds combined. I want them to all build around 1 of them each.
@baileyrose6459
@baileyrose6459 6 жыл бұрын
Isaac Escobedo do you remember the episode?
@ToxenCarange
@ToxenCarange 6 жыл бұрын
i haven't gotten to watch the video at all yet, but the reason why Elesh norn is the commander is because i managed to get a judge promo of her and felt like it wouldn't be fair to not make her the commander with all that pretty text.
@doktorwyvern2883
@doktorwyvern2883 6 жыл бұрын
ToxenCarnage Phyrexian Norn is expensive, so that makes sense. She leads my Spanish Inquisition deck, a religious themed deck with all non-trash flash cards in white (because no one expects the instant speed Spanish inquisition)
@camdenfreilinger9695
@camdenfreilinger9695 6 жыл бұрын
@@doktorwyvern2883 I love the flavor
@doktorwyvern2883
@doktorwyvern2883 6 жыл бұрын
Camden Freilinger It's my favorite deck. Cards like angel of the dire hour and celestial crusader lead to amazing bamboozle moments.
@sabbysmith354
@sabbysmith354 6 жыл бұрын
@@doktorwyvern2883 I enjoy the deck sir
@lowphhighsalt6359
@lowphhighsalt6359 6 жыл бұрын
"Search your feelings, you know this to be true." Thanks PleasantKenobi for living up to your username.
@PalPlays
@PalPlays 6 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, Tomer will be fully compleated next week. Hail Yawgmoth!
@ashra8281
@ashra8281 6 жыл бұрын
.. umm get with the program sister, we're all about elesh norn on new phyrexia, get with the picture, urghh. Old men god
@Aronia55
@Aronia55 6 жыл бұрын
Vince you're the whole reason I've started watching CC on a regular basis. I like every other member don't get me wrong but you have made things way more interesting. Also really enjoyed this episode, keep it up.
@martinskullerud2195
@martinskullerud2195 6 жыл бұрын
Got to say, and I mean this 100% sincerely, I love that Vince is willing to play Stax and mass LD in Commander. So many people act like those cards are taboo and they're so important for a healthy meta. Keep it coming Vince!
@yeauhant5609
@yeauhant5609 6 жыл бұрын
It was actually quite fun seeing the three of you more or less teaming up to prevent Richard from winning. Liked this commander clash !
@UTUB2kholle
@UTUB2kholle 6 жыл бұрын
I reaaaally loved this week's video :D The stax plays were hilarious, I always really enjoy Vince's decks. Don't listen too closely to the comments, there will always be people unhappy with whatever deck you play. I loved the fact the fight seemed fair during the whole game. No surprise degenerate combo to end the game quickly. Just straight beatdown with a lot of politics involved. There were several twists, I wouldn't have bet at all that Tom would be the winner, but here he is coming out on top after the archenemy came down ! The interaction between Elesh Norn and Kamahl was great, too bad we've only seen 5 lands being blown up ;)
@liamfiles2638
@liamfiles2638 6 жыл бұрын
I haven't realized until I saw the decklist how weird Tareil's face is.
@LeKrutes
@LeKrutes 6 жыл бұрын
Liam Files diden't know that tareil was a girl.
@nicholasrolo886
@nicholasrolo886 6 жыл бұрын
@@LeKrutes 90% of angels in mtg are female
@LeKrutes
@LeKrutes 6 жыл бұрын
I know i just thought she was a guy. You learn something new everyday :p
@TriangularPrism
@TriangularPrism 5 жыл бұрын
Late, but funnily enough, every non-Time Spiral, non-Legends, non-Amonkhet angel is female, like how non-Legends demons are all male. One of the meta tipoffs that Amonkhet was a bit messed up was how the angels were male, which doesn't naturally happen
@NeonKatt101
@NeonKatt101 6 жыл бұрын
Deck theme, Everyone plays what they are worst at Seth: plays cards he cant pronounce Tomer: Plays a madness deck Richard, no tribal synergy Vince: A deck that helps other people.
@kingfuzzy2
@kingfuzzy2 3 жыл бұрын
Tomers least favorite deck is chaos without a wincon
@Summon_Aery
@Summon_Aery 6 жыл бұрын
Commander Clash Season 5 leaderboard: Richard: 48 + 1 (+1 Fourth Place) Tomer: 46 + 4 (+4 TOM WINNING!) Vincent: 37 + 3 (+1 First Blood, +2 Third Place) Seth: 35 + 3 (+3 Second Place) ____________________________________________________ Final Scores Tomer: 46 + 4 = 50 Richard: 48 + 1 = 49 Vincent: 37 + 3 = 40 Seth: 35 + 3 = 38
@thomasdelia2577
@thomasdelia2577 6 жыл бұрын
People should get sick more often so i can win more games for them. Seems like easy logic to me lol.
@QuestionMarc
@QuestionMarc 6 жыл бұрын
Vince, Windbrisk Heights says "play" so it works if you hide a land. Play is an inclusive term that encompasses playing lands and casting spells.
@poipoi9816
@poipoi9816 6 жыл бұрын
God, Vince's deck is a thing of beauty. I'm so glad he played it. Also that he lost, because stax should never win.
@ToxenCarange
@ToxenCarange 6 жыл бұрын
poipoi thanks I enjoy playing it myself. But games always quickly become a 3v1.
@BuckysKnifeFlip
@BuckysKnifeFlip 6 жыл бұрын
Vince: I too have all my colors. Haha
@ErasMcras
@ErasMcras 6 жыл бұрын
can we house ban vince from playing stax decks?
@paulduncan9239
@paulduncan9239 6 жыл бұрын
Ethan Rasmussen I feel it’s important that occasionally, like once a season, the people who enjoy stacks should be able to see it
@ErasMcras
@ErasMcras 6 жыл бұрын
He played it last week too.
@PleasantKenobi
@PleasantKenobi 6 жыл бұрын
I'm up for that.
@ErasMcras
@ErasMcras 6 жыл бұрын
It's funny how it's constantly Vince becoming arch enemy. That's usually the story of stax in commander. Unless it is a combo deck with stax pieces like teferi or bloodpod you usually will get focused first. I usually go for pillowfort options over stax. To each their own.
@HarryBuddhaPalm
@HarryBuddhaPalm 6 жыл бұрын
People that enjoy stacks are jerks.
@AdamKaiser1
@AdamKaiser1 6 жыл бұрын
Well, half glad that I wasn't picked for the Commander Clash, but Tom does know how to pick the fun and "original" decks. ;)
@TwistdYetUnbrokn
@TwistdYetUnbrokn 6 жыл бұрын
That Mardu Threaten deck is my best friend's list. Anything I play with creatures in it just gets punished. I call it Hack 'n' Sac. This is so cool that Tom picked his list. Thanks Tom! I haven't even watched the gameplay yet because I was so excited to see Ryan's name in the description. Lol. Can't wait!
@oosdhdhrjhrhjjfbsjda
@oosdhdhrjhrhjjfbsjda 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tom for subbing! I like being able to watch a new commander clash before my prerelease. Gl on your own prereleases and now I'll watch the vid :)
@BradleyNiziak
@BradleyNiziak 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like Ezuri, Claw of Progress would be a great include in the deck Seth played. Though not a 2/2 or 1/1 himself, Ezuri LOVES small creatures entering the battlefield and lets you pump them to kingdom come once they're on the board and have served their purpose for Wild Pair.
@treyconover4107
@treyconover4107 6 жыл бұрын
This week was great, no random "I win the game" combos that no one was prepared for, a lot of good politics, and classic beat down wins.
@MultiPurpledude
@MultiPurpledude 6 жыл бұрын
Haha hey I actually was just toying around with making a game day promo version of Elesh Norn in Photoshop yesterday. Cool coincidence. (: Great video as always!
@taylorhatch6892
@taylorhatch6892 6 жыл бұрын
An interesting interaction that Richard could have done in the beggining, is when the cat equipped with the sword attacked, he could animate the fetchland, block with it, then sac it before damage.
@alexrook3792
@alexrook3792 6 жыл бұрын
In case it hasn't been explained. When you play a non-land card, you cast it. Using play means you can play lands because you can't cast them but it still means casting for anything else.
@RCrowlzor
@RCrowlzor 6 жыл бұрын
Well, if my prerelease goes poorly, I'm guaranteed an enjoyable video of commander clash at least, thanks so much for all your great content!
@benjiboy1337
@benjiboy1337 6 жыл бұрын
Play means to cast a spell or play a land. The reason it's "play" and not "cast" is so that you can make use of a land that you've hidden away.
@aGoshDarnTravesty
@aGoshDarnTravesty 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Stax deck was really unfun to watch. I kinda zoned out for half an hour browsing reddit and came back to more or less the same board state. But also, Seth did a FANTASTIC job of filling in for Tomer by playing an almost entirely irrelevant deck that relies on a single card to even function and running only two tutors for that card.
@ashra8281
@ashra8281 6 жыл бұрын
When you're happy as commander clash has come out, but sad as I your deck didn't get picked :(
@kingfuzzy2
@kingfuzzy2 3 жыл бұрын
@markharland2459
@markharland2459 6 жыл бұрын
When you "play" a spell, you are casting it. It says play on Windbrusk Heights just so you can put lands into play with it.
@Snowjiggles
@Snowjiggles 6 жыл бұрын
I just had a thought for a future episode, since there are 4 of you and 4 mono colored legendaries from Coldsnap, maybe you guys could each pick one and play a deck around it.
@nickjoeb
@nickjoeb 6 жыл бұрын
NOW THIS IS A COMMANDER CLASH GAME!
@FrajAce
@FrajAce 6 жыл бұрын
I think that game was really delightful to watch and pretty funny actually, maybe i'm a bit sadistic? Anyways, good game.
@matheustavares99
@matheustavares99 6 жыл бұрын
I really like commander clash, and don’t have a problem with stax or “unfair” decks in CC. The funny part is the reaction of people. Love the video.
@MrZerodaim
@MrZerodaim 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, that's my deck! To answer your questions Seth: There is one "combo" card that can steal games: Rally the Ancestors. By bringing back a lot of stuff, you can either draw tons and lab maniac, swing thanks to flame-kin zealot or upkeep win through epic struggle. There are engines like skullwinder + ghostway, fathom mage + cathars' crusade, shrieking drake + wild pair, notion thief + mikokoro. Kiki-Jiki is not there for some combo shenanigans, you're not even supposed to cast it, but having all those toolbox effects on a tap is just #value. Counterspell, Divination, Vindicate, Fog, Rampant Growth, Tormod's Crypt, Fork, Regrowth, Reanimate... you name it ! The mana base is clunky for a 5 colors deck, but the deck is really just bant with a few R/B cards. You don't even want to cast those (Ramos provides just enough of each color to play almost any card), but rather tutor them. Nykthos is a bit of a win-more stretch, but with all the green dorks it's nice to get that free ramp to get the more expensive stuff faster. Llanowar Reborn is a nightmare on modo, but it's there to grab a 2/2 using Wild Pair and a 1/1 if needed. There are few tutors, but it is by choice. My first Wild Pair EDH was more token centric than toolbox and had more tutors, but the game became too streamlined for me (bit of a dilemma when your key piece is a tutor) so I decided to reduce them and rely on draws to get there. SPOILER START I probably didn't playtest it enough, but what awful draws! No card draw or tutor, when that's like 1/6th of the deck. And you kept drawing the situational techs or game-enders instead of the cards that let you build your board in the first place. But I think the thing that made everything go downhill was killing Richard when both stax cards shut him down already. With the lands lost here, you could've kept fogging with Knight-Captain of Eos (when Elesh Norn was taken care of) and stall until you find a threat to win. Vince was already focusing Richard, so you wouldn't have risked a lot keeping him alive, and Richard would've likely helped take down Vince who was the biggest threat. SPOILER END Anyway, happy you at least liked the idea of the deck, thanks for choosing it :)
@matiasrochaix2234
@matiasrochaix2234 6 жыл бұрын
I love you Vince, you are the most fun player in a while ! Also I loved how you made mono white playable!
@reye_bruh
@reye_bruh 6 жыл бұрын
He was the dude that created the commuinty of mono white in commander,I now have 3 mono white decks Solider tribal Angel tribal Death and taxes (my fev ahahah)
@ashra8281
@ashra8281 6 жыл бұрын
Seth did well with mono white before... like with endless horizons I can't remember which week but mono white has never not been viable, and you don't need stax to make it work
@reye_bruh
@reye_bruh 6 жыл бұрын
@@ashra8281 veince pushed Thalia to tier 1 in 1v1 edh and got me into commander because I an a control and death and taxes player irl.
@hiygamer
@hiygamer 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't realize you were doing viewer submitted decks this week. I wish I had. After the planar tribal game I designed a decent rebel deck that I'm quite fond of. I run Zur the Enchanter as the commander, so that you can always get out Arcane Adaptation and Training Grounds, Meaning that rebels can tutor for any creatures at a reduced cost.
@coreysierchio4650
@coreysierchio4650 6 жыл бұрын
I like that Tomer is making his presence known in the outro.
@digitialkonnections9954
@digitialkonnections9954 6 жыл бұрын
I love Vince being the heel of the group. Also stax was alot of fun.
@shawndiaz7528
@shawndiaz7528 6 жыл бұрын
Whenever Oracle text reads "play" (not put into play) instead of "cast" it's just too include lands. You play spells by casting them.
@silentwatcher5134
@silentwatcher5134 6 жыл бұрын
Richard, where was Patron of the Moon? thats the one moonfolk all Tatyova players should include! Overall this was a great episode. I loved the combo Richard had with Kamahl and Elesh Norn.
@Jude3333
@Jude3333 6 жыл бұрын
For the wild pair deck, I suggest playing greenbelt rampager. You can do some cool stuff like green belt into restoration angel
@cmdrsausage
@cmdrsausage 6 жыл бұрын
So many complaints about Vince, he’s far and away the most interesting player. You can’t have all players powerfully durdling, someone has to advance the game/narrative. Maybe more removal in the other decks to answer troublesome permanents? Shame the bears didn’t get going
@seanedgar164
@seanedgar164 4 жыл бұрын
They were user submitted decks, only whatever removal the creators wanted to include. Hikori, aura of silence and spirit of the labyrinth don't advance the game. Their whole deal is that they stall it
@zotha
@zotha 6 жыл бұрын
Love to see Tom roleplaying Tomer so well!
@totalcoward
@totalcoward 6 жыл бұрын
I really wish Seth’s deck got to do its thing. Maybe we can see a more consistent version of it in the future
@lazyfigninja
@lazyfigninja 6 жыл бұрын
This was the most hilariously political commander game I've seen in a long time. Love this season guys. Truly entertaining in every way.
@hydestreet251
@hydestreet251 6 жыл бұрын
Like those Kaladesh forests in the Tatyova deck. I run those same ones in my modern deck
@patrickkelley6672
@patrickkelley6672 6 жыл бұрын
As much as Vince complains about field of ruin, at least he didnt have his mana crypt commandeered then his only land strip mined
@doktorwyvern2883
@doktorwyvern2883 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man. I see Vince, I click. Also, Elesh Norn>other
@namsnoms
@namsnoms 6 жыл бұрын
Vince, keep doing what you're doing. Loving your decks!
@codelicious6590
@codelicious6590 6 жыл бұрын
Holy lumbering loxodons Batman! PK has so many locks on the board!
@caladbolg777
@caladbolg777 6 жыл бұрын
Aww, I wish I knew about this. I would have loved to share my mono red control (with some threatens) Starke of Rath deck.
@CodenameJD
@CodenameJD 6 жыл бұрын
I'm so confused by Richard choosing not to kill Vince... what was to be gained from that? Tom's absolutely my favourite though after that XD Maybe stax isn't so bad in general (though I think that's debatable), but I think it's a shame with a series like this, where new decks are played each week, to have one deck play cards that just stop others from doing anything. It's one thing to have control elements - removal, counters, etc - that deal with specific or current problems because they're too good, but here it seemed like we didn't get to see much of what the other decks can do. Even Tom's deck, it felt like we only got a little taste. I'd feel even more disappointed if I'd submitted one of the other played decks that didn't get to do much. I wouldn't mind seeing stax if decks returned more frequently to show off what they do, but we'll likely never get to see these decks again.
@ShiningSpear
@ShiningSpear 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone's complaining about stax, but I get the feeling nobody watched past the deck list before complaining about it. That was super entertaining.
@xunxekri
@xunxekri 6 жыл бұрын
I like any video with Elesh Norn in the thumbnail.
@benjiboy1337
@benjiboy1337 6 жыл бұрын
Kiki-Jiki and Deceiver Exarch have the same combined p/t, so that combo could be in Seth's deck.
@shammerHammer
@shammerHammer 6 жыл бұрын
As much as I dislike watching a stax EDH Deck, really the fault is in the other decks. If you want to be able to kill a Linvala, just play Terror. If you want to answer Aura of Silence, play disenchant. Or, you know, good versions of those cards. If you guys value answers more, you will be able to play more Magic. I know that this episode was Viewer Submitted, but my point still stands in other episodes.
@NightShadowSystem
@NightShadowSystem 6 жыл бұрын
i would enjoy the return of the movie and game night theme
@kinkajuu1
@kinkajuu1 6 жыл бұрын
hey vince, just wanted to say, ignore the hate, you played a solid archtype, you are great. hope you have fun and arent driven away from the commenters.
@Ahayzo
@Ahayzo 6 жыл бұрын
Seth, why didn't you cast Ramos before asking Richard to Armaggedon you?
@leonardoboccaletti1790
@leonardoboccaletti1790 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Vince, I actually like you, but there is a reason why no previous member of the Commander Clash played Stax or mass land destruction decks frequently. It's not because it is a weak archetype, it's because it is not an entertaining one. It's really boring to see people trying to play and not being able to. Just giving my opinion about the playstyle you have been going for in the last games.
@xlast9032
@xlast9032 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah stax isn't very fun to play against and definitely not fun to watch.
@PleasantKenobi
@PleasantKenobi 6 жыл бұрын
I have to defend myself once again. Mass Land destruction was a mistake - it was a short joke that led to long term misery and regret it. Stax is an interesting one; I thought this week we got to see a Monowhite deck come to the table and compete and encourage politics. Last week, as much as Seth seems to have managed to convince you all, I wasn't playing Stax. It was a control deck with big mana draw spells and Planeswalkers, that happened to have hateful enchantments. Sure, it locked Seth down hard - but that can happen to linear strategies. In short, I've only really played Stax TRUELY once. And that's enough. We've seen it, we've experienced it - the game had lots of action and politics, but people are ignoring that to jump to be mad simply because they hate Stax by default. There isn't much I can do about that, but I'll be playing something different next week that will undoubtedly ruffle some feathers.
@drugfreemidget
@drugfreemidget 6 жыл бұрын
You do you, I actually enjoyed this.
@stewartchaas
@stewartchaas 6 жыл бұрын
PleasantKenobi Magic isn't all casting big flashy spells and wacky combos or just passively drawing cards all game. It's about trying to win, and having fun while doing it. Commander games need players who bring challenges to the table and that's all you've done. People got mad at Jen for the same reason. The 12-year-olds in the comments crying because you played a legitimate archetype can shove it, you're doing fine.
@Szykielet
@Szykielet 6 жыл бұрын
Stewart Haas "and having fun while doing it" and this is the part STAX is killing. It is subjective thing but it seems that majority of (vocal?) players don't like STAX, Infect or Land destruction for that matter. Honestly I play nearly exclusively commnander because for me it is casting flashy spells, wacky combos and big creatures that would be impossible in legacy or pauper. People come here for a specific content, we are used to certain type of gameplay, deck etc and when someone is bringing something new and people don't like it... I assume feedback and saying "it is meh..." is better than leaving the show. Calling somebody names because of this feedback and opinion... not cool. :) And as for politics and stuff maybe Queen Marchesa Will of the Council, Join forces and similar cards deck could be a thing?
@prufrock1977
@prufrock1977 6 жыл бұрын
Vince represents the player that I always dread seeing at my LGS. A player whose sole purpose is to make sure that no one has fun.
@kingfuzzy2
@kingfuzzy2 3 жыл бұрын
Stax is fun to play against if you like breaking a lock or you prefer to be challenged when you play.
@Molly-ml1wn
@Molly-ml1wn 6 жыл бұрын
There's a right way and a wrong way to play Stax. And the line can be really blurry at times. I know I personally face the risk of turning into a salty toxic scrub any time someone plays Hokori or any of his friends. So I'm really glad the crew was positive and good natured about this game. It's wonderful seeing positive role models in MTG.
@dennissundqvist4941
@dennissundqvist4941 6 жыл бұрын
Toms missclick was perfect since he is in fact standing in for tomer this week
@nickjoseph77
@nickjoseph77 6 жыл бұрын
So the new card back is the back wizards would like to switch to if they could but it would be a problem for people who don't use sleeves in paper magic.
@nealpyne2569
@nealpyne2569 6 жыл бұрын
I would like to say that this is the second week that I didn't get to see how fun a certain deck is specifically because of one card that Vince played. What's the chances we can soft-ban some of the lock pieces?
@Cangaroombi
@Cangaroombi 6 жыл бұрын
It would be the triumph of linear decks. If you are playing a linear strategy (e.g. graveyard deck) you should also have ways to go around hate or else your deck is bad. Magic, imo, is a great game exactly because of all the interactions it has. I try to play my strategy and you try to hinder it. I don't get why lots of people want Magic to be more like Heartstone.
@marijnreiche9345
@marijnreiche9345 6 жыл бұрын
I reallywant to tune in to say that I love stax decks, also as a strategy to watch. If so many people dont like it that's ofcourse not something to keep repeating, but I like the addition to the meta and I'd love to see responses evolve over time
@PleasantKenobi
@PleasantKenobi 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I won't be playing Stax for a long time.
@davidmorris6254
@davidmorris6254 6 жыл бұрын
don't give in to a few unpleasant lights in the constellations
@jonaswollenweber2042
@jonaswollenweber2042 6 жыл бұрын
I think the silent majority actually likes diversity in archetypes. However Vince should skip staxy strats for a week or two
@seanedgar164
@seanedgar164 4 жыл бұрын
"Attacking the stax player is probably a good idea..." I like that Vince agrees. Despite how much I'd be tempted to try run stax, I'd die so quickly every game
@kingfuzzy2
@kingfuzzy2 3 жыл бұрын
There's stax for creatures and there's stax for non creatures
@Playboi_Alucardi
@Playboi_Alucardi 6 жыл бұрын
I'm missing Tomer's durdle plays this week 😩
@InfernalWheel
@InfernalWheel 6 жыл бұрын
Given the choice between decks that win by turn 4 and stax, Id rather watch stax. At least things happen..sorta.
@achillies43
@achillies43 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like Tomer "missed" this one because of the combos last week
@Macro11Underscore1
@Macro11Underscore1 6 жыл бұрын
much love to tom for playing tariel, that's my favorite commander!
@dino-wer-kuh3498
@dino-wer-kuh3498 6 жыл бұрын
vince
@goforit122
@goforit122 6 жыл бұрын
Have you guys thought about playing Commander on tabletop simulator? I have thought about it for a while but have not seen much of it.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 6 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I haven't really thought about it.
@solarmanatee4667
@solarmanatee4667 6 жыл бұрын
Rip seth forgetting to cast his commander. lol classic. Still was a pretty fun game to watch.
@Beam_on_team
@Beam_on_team 6 жыл бұрын
39:48 I think you mean "shrike shrike", seth
@Summon_Aery
@Summon_Aery 6 жыл бұрын
I love how Vince has kind of just embraced the villain role, and just tried to cause as much pain to people as possible and manipulate them to kill each other, and he really seems to enjoy it. Even the worst of times can be fun at the expense of your opponents suffering. But to be honest, I don't think this prison deck was too bad, I've seen much worse, the only bad thing really was the Hakori, and that is a symmetrical effect.
@seanedgar164
@seanedgar164 4 жыл бұрын
I just find those effects aren't as content-friendly. Stalling the action doesn't feel great as a viewer, but yes, it wasn't the worst
@Summon_Aery
@Summon_Aery 4 жыл бұрын
@@seanedgar164 Yeah, I can understand that.
@jamessheffield9091
@jamessheffield9091 6 жыл бұрын
This week was hilarious.
@lukebooth7412
@lukebooth7412 4 жыл бұрын
Has Seth's voice been turned down on Discord? 10/10 would have done the same.
@TESDandino
@TESDandino 6 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why Vince is getting hate for playing one of the worst mono-coloured decks. Yes it has stax effects in it, but without them mono white just gets steamrolled by the other decks. Decks need to have interaction because games are boring to watch if everybody is just sitting doing their own thing and not interacting with each other, which is what happens when players like Vince and Jen aren't here.
@ashra8281
@ashra8281 6 жыл бұрын
Umm... no utter bs, mono white can do well without staxs, think voltron and tokens, or just life gain, combo, white can do all if you know how to build it. And white has the most interaction out of any colour it doesn't need staxs to do it
@TESDandino
@TESDandino 6 жыл бұрын
@@ashra8281 White and Red are the two weakest colours due to them having some of the worst card advantage engines in comparison to the other 3 colours. Yes, white has some decent interaction but if it tries to answer things one for one it just loses because it's card draw and ramp are just abysmal when compared to deck in blue, black or green. That's why in edh its better to go stax because it can't hope to outvalue 3 other decks so just bring them down to your level
@HarryBuddhaPalm
@HarryBuddhaPalm 6 жыл бұрын
He didn't have to play a mono-white deck or even a mono-colored deck. He could've payed anything he wanted.
@ashra8281
@ashra8281 6 жыл бұрын
@@TESDandino or you could next level them. Mono white not having card advantage is bs, same with mono red. Land tax + scroll rack, endless horisons, well of wishes. Etali, the bb enchantment version of etali, prophetic flamespeaker. A few chandras, then there are the mono artifacts gor colours. Yes other decks have more don't get me wrong, but they don't have none. So while stax is a viable option, you don't need to play staxs to win at all. In either red or white. Don't rule out other archetypes because they don't have a divination, yes both colours have few cards that say just draw a card. But that doesn't mean they don't have card advantage. They just get it in different ways. Also any mono colour has acess to some of the best ramp, extra planar lens, sol ring, mana crypt, mana vault, caged sun, the guantlets... the best ramp is by far in artifacts, it's easier to disrupt than hour of devastation, but blue also has lack luster ramp, doesn't mean it doesn't have any. So to be realistic there are other archetypes and the reason people are hating is because stax is boring as fuck to watch, it's only slightly better than mass land destruction which Vince has played. Yeah I found it sooo fun to watch them spend hours on a game which was just draw land, play it or pass
@ODIRGO
@ODIRGO 6 жыл бұрын
that was exactly my thought
@camdenfreilinger9695
@camdenfreilinger9695 6 жыл бұрын
I have a sudden urge to make a Selesnya armageddon deck...
@kingfuzzy2
@kingfuzzy2 3 жыл бұрын
Go for it
@ashadeofnight
@ashadeofnight 6 жыл бұрын
wheres Tomer?? :( :( :(
@nicholask7494
@nicholask7494 6 жыл бұрын
i actually enjoyed vince playing staxs it was fun and different
@whaleofdarkness
@whaleofdarkness 6 жыл бұрын
Hm, Tomer left Tom some of his punt mastery when he gave his seat to him...
@thomasdelia2577
@thomasdelia2577 6 жыл бұрын
Trueeeeee lol. I had to really play the seat i was given lol.
@kickinwang1817
@kickinwang1817 6 жыл бұрын
Vince, you are doing a great job in all seriousness. A lot of these players give you a hard time about the stax, but I have to say it's a breath of fresh air on this channel. I love a lot of mtggoldfish content, but CC I find boring for the most part because to be frank the power level is trash (You will never make everyone happy in commander, or in general for that matter). Mono white sucks in commander, you played to one of it's very few strengths. Thanks for that, good game and don't let them get you down too much.
@clemenskremer5094
@clemenskremer5094 6 жыл бұрын
Good Episode... still like Vince in the Show, still like the chemistry between you guys :)
@connorbynum2253
@connorbynum2253 6 жыл бұрын
I love vince he is the best villian.
@kieranbramwell1060
@kieranbramwell1060 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Vince mate just want to say I find you a welcome addition to the team and can't wait to see what other decks you bring to the game going forward!
@aaronorbik5531
@aaronorbik5531 6 жыл бұрын
Did Seth forget about his Commander again?
@maxbloomfield540
@maxbloomfield540 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps picking viewer submitted decks that can actually interact would be nice. People sure like bitching about stax pieces, but there's no reason a turn 2 creature should still be in play halfway through the game
@bubba5656565
@bubba5656565 6 жыл бұрын
I don't mind stax on rare occasions... you get to see everyone fight through it
@fallen5771
@fallen5771 6 жыл бұрын
Really wanted to see the druid deck function but no
@scottforan3383
@scottforan3383 6 жыл бұрын
So people say Vince complains alot but I've watch every episode and I do believe seth complains way more. 5 seasons versus half of one. Keep being you Vince.
@stol5251
@stol5251 6 жыл бұрын
I think Stax is fine, these other decks just need some removal!
@LORDCYBERSAURUS
@LORDCYBERSAURUS 6 жыл бұрын
Vince is my spirit animal
@scotturquhart8567
@scotturquhart8567 6 жыл бұрын
Vince commander fun format sure gimmie stacks
@marceldyer5737
@marceldyer5737 6 жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice Vince's Judas Priest reference around 1:00:16 ?
@PleasantKenobi
@PleasantKenobi 6 жыл бұрын
Bingo.
@Sami8s
@Sami8s 6 жыл бұрын
Still no Pummelers? Seems like the fans don't know how to build commander decks
@billranes1214
@billranes1214 6 жыл бұрын
How em-BEAR-assing
@ethanfordford6621
@ethanfordford6621 6 жыл бұрын
O Vince maybe you need to play my jank brews next week lol...
@sidclauwers5945
@sidclauwers5945 6 жыл бұрын
You want him to hold a jank off with you're deck then XD
@ethanfordford6621
@ethanfordford6621 6 жыл бұрын
Basically lol...commander kess with flame jabs and Raven crimes
@sidclauwers5945
@sidclauwers5945 6 жыл бұрын
Ethan Ford Ford Sounds neat :D
@jasonkorf7700
@jasonkorf7700 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps I'm picky, but it feels like the Bear deck needs more Bears. I mean it looks like Vince had more Bears than the Bear deck. This Moonfolk all over again, however at least we know Seth would run Bear Force One against Tomer's Moonfolk, lol. Also one more thing, I feel like Vince now has to run a Zo-Zu the Punisher deck to complete his transformation as the most "despised" player since Jake and possibly surpassing Jake, lol.
@PleasantKenobi
@PleasantKenobi 6 жыл бұрын
Oh man. I would love to but it's a bad idea I feel.
@jasonkorf7700
@jasonkorf7700 6 жыл бұрын
Come on Vince, give in to the dark side. You know what else you can run with Zo-Zu, Mana Barb and Eidolon of the Great Revel
@moshjoshpitchief4418
@moshjoshpitchief4418 6 жыл бұрын
seth forgot about playing ramos again before killing richard, ramos survives elesh norn and continues to grow when seth plays creatures that die to elesh norn.
@moshjoshpitchief4418
@moshjoshpitchief4418 6 жыл бұрын
shitty misplay
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