Commander Tier List (Bad Weather) | Starcraft II: Co-Op

[@ThomasHerberg]

Best Synergy for Rifts if no Diffusion or Double Edge Always P2 Tychus + HH P0 - P2

[@ThisIsntReallyMyRealName]

Fenix p1 lv 13 on brutal. Would have used dehaka p2 but wanted to max fenix. I dont think i did bad but i have to admit that my tychus mate did most of the rifts…

[@Quang2307]

Tyschus lone wolf and dehaka brood brother work for me and my friend Just a little macro at the early and dehaka will do the rest But i think tychus can go with any one tho

[@Master-b9y]

I dont know why but Karax always stays in A or S with p3.And average player always uses p2 mass carrier.I dont think they know how powerful p3 is.İn my tierlist, ı just put it in SS.

[@shadowpriest2574]

Well, Swan and Karax are defensive commanders and usually mutations are hard and defensive commanders simplify things, right?

[@Master-b9y]

​@@shadowpriest2574Yes, because structures are not affected by most mutations(Eminent domain is only affecting swann because if Karax loses a structure, it will be offline.).

[@1q34w]

@@shadowpriest2574 Karax has a lot of versatility with his prestiges. And it's more obvious and focused than other free commanders. 1 is defense with an extra "I win button", 2 is fast ramp up and attrition combat, 3 is map presence and objective sniping. He still has a problem with mobility and scouting.

[@Master-b9y]

​@@1q34wNot the scouting because you have observers but yes, mobility is a bit hard(unless you are massing mirages)

[@1q34w]

@@Master-b9y Not sure about that. A slow, late game unit with a new building. It's more about keeping an eye on a certain area after you already cleared it with mirages and spear of adun. Compare that with scan, factory, hercules, overlords, worms, oracles.

[@banelingsx4244]

Tychus so good vs voidrift

[@baltoandtogo]

Then, I beat it with a pub ally using Zagara P1 just to prove a point. You can't stop the swarm. My ally was OK, but I did more work in that one. Scourge good unit, and instant zerglings tie up void units and kill void rifts quick.

[@baltoandtogo]

Thanks guys! I beat it with Han and Horner, Tychus and Zagara, thanks to you. I'm not a Zagara P3 user but I managed and my pub ally and I won. He kinda BM'd me after I gg'd, cuz he thought he did all the work, but I ended up doing twice as much damage to the shards while he was killing most of the voids. Jerk.

[@davidkuske75]

Karax and stetboy is awesome. Repair beam for all units and vision of rifts for orbital strikes

[@Anth3rro]

Any weekly mutation that contains either Void Rift, Polarity and/or Propagator, I do it on Hard, because fk them.

[@shadowpriest2574]

Understandable. I just skip Polarity every time, the other ones are fine on brutal, but Polarity? Hell no!

[@azraelarchangel2218]

Don't forget the actually re-existing bug which degrades first 3 commanders to level 5. When you use them, allies mostly just going mad. (Higher level, more madness, plus some insults when you still outplay them. :D) I think even level 5 Kerrigan is better than D tier, and the bugless Kerrigan is just good for an A or B.

[@levsonc]

Just did this mutations with Tychus P2 and Stettman level 4 ally. Tychus is really strong. Sniped the last objective at 20 minutes.

[@pinkster112]

HH for the win, great against the rifts, but slow to push.

[@Glifinder]

The first Win I just had with HH P1, I zeratul P3. destruction of the first 6 shards is a mere formality (abyssal rays and zeratul). the last 2 I left him to destroy

[@Redentor314]

@@Glifinder Did we play together? I remember your name (mine ingame is also Redentor). If yes, thanks again for the awesome game, although it got a bit spicy towards the end :P

[@Glifinder]

@@Redentor314 No. in the game I have a different nickname.

[@wonderpoof7743]

Despite this being mengsk's map, i find this pretty hard as him. If you set up in the normal spot, the void rift spawns will start pathing to you and theres a few spots on the ramp that rifts spawn on their own. You have to defend as well as ESO. I ended up doing this as p3 zeratul (me) and p1 karax. I used zeratul to aggressively kill rifts and then sniped the shards when voidray reinforcement calldown was up. Karax just defended. I tried p3 stukov, but the enemy had siege tanks en mass, so i just insta lost. P3 Zeratul sniping made this insanely easy

[@kalorathekau]

Yeah, I think that CTG and his guests tend to overestimate the knowledge checks (not just the timings, but also how to macro efficiently) required to make Mengsk really effective. And sometimes, skill checks too. If I have an ally who can handle the early Rifts / attack waves, then I'm set as Mengsk. But if I need to help out with early rifts and attack waves, then that's way too taxing on me in addition to getting ESOs set up, and things tend to fall apart. As such, I tend to do better with a commander who plays the map more 'honestly' and just takes a slow and steady approach.

[@Glifinder]

just out of curiosity. With the Zeratul you cleared the approach to the Shards or jumped the ship behind them and so fired voidray reinforcement. of course you kill only what is necessary

[@wonderpoof7743]

@@Glifinder so the first 2 groups i just went head on and killed them and the base in the middle of the map. For the third group, i shipped to the way back and only killed what i had to. Final group was the same except i shipped into the left side. For the last group i had a pretty sizeable immortal army to bring as well with the teleporter ships to help out but i specifically went after shards and ignored the bases. While his transport ship ability is on cooldown, i had zeratul running around blinking to kill rifts as soon as they came ip. I only went for shards when i had the ship to come in from behind and the void rays to help with the fast dmg

[@Glifinder]

@@wonderpoof7743 that is, we play in a very similar way. also often playing in a normal way (such as above) people are surprised and write you GG WP? because it always surprises me a bit

[@Glifinder]

S on tyhus is a bit ridiculous. You don't have the globalization of movement, 0 support (of any kind). you are free. additionally there are problems with base defense. Maybe one in fifty will actually play this tyhus as it should be. and so the usual A. but Zeratul does not have such a problem (a little funny how you finish the map having 90% dmg in shard)

[@caolan318]

What? You heavily underestimate how good Tychus's control is on void rifts, no one else has that level of ease and quickness of P2. Zeratul can be lacking in the early game and will be slower than a decent Tychus. Wtf is globalization of movement? Tychus has medevacs, how does that not count? Why support when you can carry? That's ideally what these lists convey

[@Glifinder]

@@caolan318 P3 zeratul. medivac is not a global. you need to have an open area, and zeratul is not. you want to tell me that tyhus moves faster than zeratul on 3 blinks. what shortcomings does zeratul supposedly have? I know that for someone who uses “F2” to manage an army, it can be a bit difficult. ps you destroy the first 6 shards only with zeratol and Void Rays. as two shards appear you destroy them on one summoning

[@Glifinder]

@@caolan318 and you continue to talk about theory, because so far tyhus who played in a decent way I have met a few

[@riccardobua2331]

Did it as Karax with a Tychus, I was defending the homebase and sniping from remote while he focused on clearing the rifts, we ended up with 7 minutes spare

[@caolan318]

@@Glifinder Theory? Brother, these are what normal Tychus players do. I got my ass carried by a Tychus. Who tf cares about map vision if you cover the entire map with outlaws? Zeratul's ship also has a cooldown and only 1 charge at a time, what if certain void rifts appear at opposite ends? then what? I mainly talked about how Tychus is phenomenal, not how bad Zeratul was. You have far more leeway to play Tychus than Zeratul. You NEVER f2 with Tychus, anyone with a functioning brain can figure that out