Commanders that Pubstomp

[@jeremiahchamberlain4179]

Casual high power is also a thing. Not all casual is mid power or a precon, and you can build high power and not be building cedh.

[@illusivespecter8124]

Which is something everyone forgets or just don't care about.

[@gavynmontgomery9710]

I like playing high power casual. I like playing a optimized deck that can win by turn 6-8. Animar is my higher power casual deck.

[@Thaelkor]

@@gavynmontgomery9710 Exactly, can get more than one three hour game in on commander nights at the LGS. Really like being in a high power pod and it has made me a better player in general.

[@jessewallace3805]

Agreed, I can't stand pillow forty, group hug, battle cruises.

[@ericyang8474]

These are for Battlecruiser Commander games, where you build decks designed for high powered play without the intent of winning or losing outright to something like Thoracle. I personally enjoy having a Commander that stretches the limit of strength, and having 3-4 in a pod makes for an interesting game. I don't see anything wrong with pushing the boundaries of power, especially since it tests your ability of deckbuilding and playskill over just running a deck that naturally has a higher power level.

[@otterfire4712]

Rielle, the Everwise is an excellent pubstomp commander. No one expects how quickly her power ramps up from spells nor how quickly her draw effect can ramp with Tolarian Winds effects. Once you get into the end game you can look at tearing through like with things like Psychosis Crawler or Glint-Horn Buccaneer, Conflagrate is a nice closer for the straggling players, and Rielle can off certain players that are giving you trouble with some unblockability.

[@fidibus4290]

Does casual just mean bad nowadays? In my playgroup we regularly have the first sliver, jetmir etc. at the table and we are all fine with it. To many people online seem to think there are only janky battle cruiser decks wirhout a wincon and cedh decks. Optimized strategies that interact with you or threaten to win if not interacted with are not pub stomp decks, they just do what they're designed to. Of course the commanders in the video are inherently high powered, but not unfair or necessarily not casual. It all comes down to what experience your table wants to have. Pubstompers usually conceal what their deck can do or straight up lie to get cheap wins. It's not the commander who pubstomps, it's the pilot.

[@PubStompMTG]

I absolutely agree with your comment. This video was gearing towards situations you may come across where these commanders can overtake a casual game. It's definitely not a good thing when people conceal and talk down how their deck isnt as powerful as it really is.

[@elguapobandito2833]

Yes.

[@George-mm8cr]

Worst part with voja (o know this too well as a voja player) the ward is a triggered ability, so be prepared to pay double or even triple that with Annie joins up roaming throne on the field

[@PubStompMTG]

Good point

[@TenuredProfessor]

This is false actually the only way to increase individual ward is to add a card that adds ward. (Does exist)

[@George-mm8cr]

@@TenuredProfessornope sorry wrong ward is a triggered ability (702.21a Ward is a triggered ability. Ward [cost] means “Whenever this permanent becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter that spell or ability unless that player pays [cost].” therefore it can be triggered again so someone targets voja, pays the 3, ward triggers AGAIN thanks to roaming throne, they will need to pay an additional 3

[@Novcheck]

Thanks dude! Got Annie joins up and flowering of the white tree in my jodah the unifier deck, from now on im getting a little more extra protection!

[@George-mm8cr]

@@Novcheckyeah ward is nasty when there’s trigger doublers on field. It may as well be hexproof after a certain point. I abuse it with voja but’s definitely a feels bad lmao

[@leviscott8802]

I’ve personally always thought korvold should’ve focused more on food than general sacrifice. Something like sacrificing food on entry and attack to draw.

[@kylescott7654]

Korvold is what introduced me to highpower cards and my love for Jund. Once alters/food chain/dockside came into the deck i realized pretty quick as fun as it was for me It was a complete bore of a night for my friends(LGS gets the heat i dont feel bad lmao) tossing him into the 99 of my Ziatora deck still lets me have fun but within a "Harder" means. Still one of my favroute cards though.

[@MedievalWerewolf]

No need for Ward on Jetmir since he just wins on the spot when you cast. I am definitely on board with the Voja hate myself. I don't even run any of these as my commander. I run three of them in the 99 (Korvold in Windgrace, Koma in Grolnok, and Jetmir in Marisi as a finisher after two players are eliminated).

[@My_Grandma]

I was just googling this today. Thanks

[@PubStompMTG]

perfect timing!

[@TheSushiandme]

I'm making a Winota commander deck so I can play Ryu and Ken. 😅

[@saintchronic]

Right on I’m stoked to build my kitty deck i knew Jetmir was tough just need to hear it confirmed 💜💚

[@gtfawaynotnow]

Forgot jodah and there is 1 other sneaky commander I know about…. Forget the name but it’s a flier that draws cards with combat damage….unless it’s a poorly constructed deck this commander can get out of hand very fast….wait I think it’s called xyris.

[@cedrikDGAF]

5 decks im gonna make

[@lotrloreman]

Jetmir is my budget craterhoof in my Hazezon deck. Cheaper and works just as well.

[@PubStompMTG]

I would agree!

[@chamucoliz]

Do u have a hazezon deck list

[@peggle09]

With the new brackets coming out is anything 3 or less casual? Most if not all of these cards the shine with cards that may end up being on tier 4 bracket. If casual players put more interaction in their decks none of these cards would be an issue. These commanders should go off and pubstomp now and then, they don't all the time.

[@PubStompMTG]

That is a good question!

[@theunknownsissel9943]

Just got into magic for commander. I appreciate videos like this as I want to keep things casual and fun for everyone. Also, I Got to say your videos feel awesome to watch. They are informative with a good pace.

[@PubStompMTG]

Glad to help out. Its a slippery slope with commander and powerlevels

[@christopherrue1773]

Toxrill and Maha 💙🖤💙

[@PubStompMTG]

Sooo mean😅

[@malinb2265]

As someone who have a friend who play Jetmir atleast twice per magic meeting I can relate to this pain 😂 with a Cute swarm in it and several token gens she can win the game within 5-7 rounds easy 😂

[@PubStompMTG]

Yikes🤣

[@malinb2265]

@@PubStompMTG then I take out my Gishat and go full stomp back 😂

[@deviousj5868]

Toxrill and Massacre Girl.....😏

[@Garl_Vinland]

Child of Alara, boardwipes and no win con 🥴

[@PubStompMTG]

Yikes lol

[@adamholcomb1906]

Yes I always love a few good Pubstomps I need to build that Toxrill stacks deck🖤💙🖤💙😈👍🏼👍🏼💯

[@PubStompMTG]

🧐

[@raptorj3sus309]

jetmir just isnt fair lol

[@jessewallace3805]

It's easy to beat man.

[@Eldrad235]

Xanegos

[@majinvegeta6364]

The card diversity argument is fatality flawed. While banning fast mana could potentially increase the variety of mana acceleration cards players run, it will ultimately reduce the overall card pool by impairing the viability of certain decks and strategies. Rulings like this hurt mana hungry decks, thereby pushing more low mana efficient gameplay. This, in turn, reduces diversity in the number of commanders, synergy cards, and win cons players encounter. Part of Commander's appeal is its impossibly complex metagame. One of the key metrics in determining the health of a format is the number of different decks and strategies a player can choose and still have a reasonable chance of winning. This change in rules philosophy reduces said number and is therefore bad for the health of the format. The intended effect is that it reduces the power disparity between mid to high power casual decks, and it does, but at what cost? WotC, the RC, and the community at large have been working on expanding the number of 60 card strategies that were not previously able to scale in multi-player formats such as energy and burn. Much of that progress has now been lost. cEDH will be fine. It is a proxy friendly environment, and very few, if any, real cEDH players were shelling out truck loads of cash to actually build their decks. Low powered theme decks won't see any significant changes either. This hurts mid to high power tables. Possibly, the worst impact will be on color balance. Blue becomes much stronger in cEDH, and green becomes even more powerful in casual formats. Think about it. These bans do almost nothing to challenge the current boogiemen (and women) of the format. Voja will be fine. Yuriko will be fine. Kinnan will be fine. What this does is substantially reduce higher cost nongreen commanders from being able to keep up with them. This hurts Aurelia, Niv-Mizzet, and Avacyn decks, for example. Now, nongreen decks will have to run more removal and stax in order to keep up because the option to race to win has been so impaired. Does that sound like the direction casual gameplay should be pushed toward? The simple fact of the matter is that a lack of diversity in utility cards increases the diversity of gameplay. Leave fast mana, removal, tutors, and draw engines alone. Focus on combo lines, you-win cards, and cards that lock players out of the game, like the RC previously has, and this will be a better format overall.

[@MrRomanrin]

I HAVE 3 OF THOSE COMMANDERS and no i do NOT PUBSTOMP why? coz i fucking have normal fucking cards NOT THE 50 EUROS CARDS that will help me pubstomp with them

[@Thaelkor]

Running Ygra and she's a sleeper, and a very good cat. If you want to be really mean, throw in Collector Ouphe, Karn, and Rod.

[@PubStompMTG]

That's so degenerate lol

[@cw5948]

Korvold lost dockside, no longer cedh viable.

[@PubStompMTG]

Yeah true

[@mtggodzilla7308]

U forgot about Jodah the Unifier 😅

[@PubStompMTG]

Jodah is a MENACE

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

LOL Our LGS had to ban a player that was obsessed with their Jodah unifier deck, it didn't help either that the fellow would freak out if anyone attempted to deal with his board ;p

[@ghostkitty98]

First! 🎉

[@PubStompMTG]

Congrats!

[@joelanderson5285]

Pubstomping means playing a competitive deck against a casual deck not just a better casual deck. Good luck taking down a cedh tournament with any of these decks.

[@PubStompMTG]

????

[@evanprimeau3810]

That’s… the point. None of these decks are cEDH decks (except Korvold, but not so much after Dockside/Jeweled Lotus ban), so many people think it’s okay to run them in casual pods. Just because a deck isn’t cEDH viable doesn’t mean it won’t brutally crush casual decks. The video is correctly suggesting that these Commanders don’t really have a home in the format, because they’re too strong for casual, and too weak for cEDH.

[@joelanderson5285]

@evanprimeau3810 I have seen such decks called purgatory decks as they are too good for casual play but cannot compete in the competitive metagame. The term pubstomping has a history, competitive players playing their decks against casuals at the pub following an event.

[@evanprimeau3810]

@@joelanderson5285 That's fair, but words and phrases evolve. Regardless of it's history, the word "Pubstomping" now colloquially refers to "Playing a deck that is too strong for other players to deal with". In a way, this is because those decks are often built with winning in mind, rather than casual play, making them effectively competitive decks. Very crappy competitive decks, but built with a competitive mindset nonetheless.

[@inresponse8331]

@@evanprimeau3810Strong disagree. Pubstomping is a deliberate act with the intentionally of preying on weaker decks/players. A player that sits down and fully discloses what their deck does is not Pubstomping if the table still agrees to play against it. By your definition, as soon as any deck becomes “to strong to deal with” should be considered Pubstomping. Situationally, a precon against other precons can reach a point of critical mass and become “to strong to deal with”. Intentionally and deceiving the table is the determinant factor.

[@Kyoti00]

I literally will not even shuffle up against a Jetmir deck. There is no point. You are just going to lose on turn 4 or 5. It's not even worth the effort to shuffle a deck, find a starting hand, and pretend you have a chance.

[@nathanennis5121]

Have you tried removing jetmir? Especially in the middle of combat....

[@Amishtroll]

I agree. Interaction that deals with a deck built around the commander shuts things down

[@makeout_hill]

Get good

[@jessewallace3805]

The fuck you will. It's not hard to beat at all.