Working as a Team to Defeat SA-10 Battery | EPIC REALISM | DCS

[@CommandT]

Hey all, thanks for watching! I know some of you might say in real life you would normally have multiple air assets, multiple HARM shooters, strike packages, CAS, CAP flights etc etc. That is all true, but unfortunately trying to get DCS AI to do things you want operating within SAM engagement zones is just impossible, hence we've left that out. You'll just have to imagine the sky was full of other planes going about their missions and suppressing those other SA-6s ect. Here's my Patreon in case you like my work and want to support me (and gain access to .miz file): www.patreon.com/command_t Many Thanks! And Merry Christmas all!

[@oldfashionedwrx3574]

in real life, its a lot of planes to do it with a high success rate or not worth it. but holy crap this video is amazing also ground forces/navy you'll work with; SA10 are dangerous, you dont get a warning they have this TWS like mode, called tvm - track via missile, itll guide the missile there with search radar then use radar for terminal guidance. also chaff does nothing, jamming does basically nothing inside 30nm by the time you see 10 on RWR too late. also; you won't even get big bird radar on rwr i bet, they will use other radars to work out your location then work out what asset to use and best tactic. not fair to implement a complex IADS in dcs without all the tools youd have in real life like satellites, missile detection systems, forward observers, drones, special forces etc HARMs, decoys, drones, artillery, special forces/commandos, new multi seeker HARM ER, stealth aircraft in ukraine those switch blade drones can take them out or himars. Glide bomb saturation from air/surface.

[@CommandT]

@@oldfashionedwrx3574 Yes unfortunately we simply can't have all these assets in one mission in DCS. The AI are too dumb. Otherwise we could try and oversaturate it with HARMs, decoys etc. But yeah appreciate real life is a little more complex :)

[@benjamenfriesen5065]

​@oldfashionedwrx3574 I'd say not fair if simulating a world power. Russia does not work well with its own troops, struggles to do any basic maneuver, will Intercept amd stumble over and start killing itself if it encounters dissent which is as frequent as having air support for them.

[@randallmacdonald4851]

most DCS weapon's WEZ are severely reduced, as well.@@CommandT

[@EZ-Bear]

@@oldfashionedwrx3574 No quite correct on Track Via Missile (TVM). TVM (which is similar to Patriot TVM) means the SA-10 Flap Lid radar will still Track the target to provide guidance to a launched missile in flight. It is very difficult to defeat because the Tracking SA-10 radar compares it's own return radar data to what the missile sees during it's flyout. Having the two (or more) sources of data makes it very resistant to jamming. The SA-10 then provides a short burst of Continuous Wave illumination of the target for the missiles final terminal guidance for the last 1-2 seconds.The RWR in the aircraft will still show an SA-10 tracking you but your launch warning will come too late to do anything about it.

[@Wabbitsw]

The periodic overlays of tacview really make this video great. As the viewer, it's often difficult to build a picture as to what is happening. You've solved that problem. I imagine it was a lot of extra work and I appreciate it!

[@CommandT]

That's great to hear! Yes, totally agreed. It's hard to understand what's happening sometimes without being there.

[@Error-33]

This is probably the highest quality dcs video i've ever watched in my whole life. absolutely amazing work man

[@CommandT]

Many thanks!! That's very nice to hear!! :)

[@GanXtar]

I'm still fairly new to DCS myself and things can get a bit frustrating sometimes when learning. But its videos like these that really motivate me to learn more about the aircraft because who wouldn't want to fly awesome missions like this! Great video man, and great editing.

[@descentmvm]

Those jdam drops were nuts they went so far for your alt amazing

[@audiofer5046]

awesome format video combining tac view and action camera at the same time... one of the best dcs missions video i have ever seen, congrats!

[@CommandT]

Thank you very much! Music to my ears :)

[@PrintScreen.]

very high quality, love it

[@CommandT]

Thanks! I tried! 😇

[@vincentbarzagli5306]

Dude..... (breathe intensely) that video was *another big breathe* WOOOOOOOW. Please keep uploading becouse now I'm addicted!

[@CommandT]

Haha, thank you! Music to my ears! Just need the KZbin algorithm gods to realise that they should probably push the video to a few more people 😅

[@vincentbarzagli5306]

Just an advice. Your contents are amazing; you really need a new channel logo that can capture the attention. Keep pushing 💪

[@rogeraylstock3641]

Great video. Loved having the TACView display on the right side. First time I've seen that but it makes so much sense! Bravo!

[@CommandT]

Thanks! Yeah, I figured might be a good way of "explaining" what's happening :) Glad you enjoyed!

[@daveg5857]

Awesome! That was an exciting mission.

[@almightyIrie]

i love how you show not only the missions going perfect, but also not so happy endings.. that's just how it is: sometimes you don't get out as planned.. Will be a tough one for SAR though :P

[@z33r0now3]

Now you gotta do even more of these tedious but awesome vids. 😂

[@CommandT]

I guess so! :D

[@writerrhino166]

That was epic, loved the TacView overlay. Actually understood what was going on. Thanks for all the hard work.

[@CommandT]

That's great to hear! I was hoping I could get everyone to understand what was going on!

[@Zimbertica]

Fantastic, I really enjoyed the overlays with the tac map/track and captions informing of actions taken and key words defined. Thank you for the time spent putting this together

[@CommandT]

Thanks for the comment 🙂

[@TheEarthwinders]

Great job putting that together. Made for a fun watch with the editing.

[@T-Cup314]

Can you do more tactical vids like this please.

[@CommandT]

Sure! Will try! :)

[@jmsaguas77]

Awesome video. :) Merry Christmas. :)

[@CommandT]

Thank you! And you! :)

[@agidotexe7167]

that. was. AMAZING!!

[@CommandT]

Ha, thanks! 🙂

[@KNJensen]

The comms are on point! Nice work guys!

[@JackBeasleyMedia]

Wow, another fantastic job with the editing. I love how you combine so many looks and elements into each scene, including the Tacview.

[@CommandT]

Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed. I tired my best :)

[@Redryder79]

Great mission and production. I love your videos!

[@CommandT]

Thank you!! Appreciate the kind words :)

[@FD1CE]

I wish Topgun directors knew you :) Fantastic job. I really was standing on my toes to see what happens to the end ^^

[@CommandT]

Ha, thanks! Yeah I reckon I could shoot a pretty good Top Gun film :D

[@fearandpryyme2493]

Hey ! Awesome video, love the editing and the format here ! Keep going ! I would like to know which tool you used for the briefing slides (1:43) :)

[@CommandT]

Thanks! It's CombatFlite :)

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Awesome work as usual 👌🏼

[@CommandT]

Thanks a lot!! 🤜🤛

[@Imugi007]

Just found your channel man. Love it! You deserve way more subs. Quality content man.👌

[@CommandT]

Thanks :)

[@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIX]

Love it. Awesome video concept!

[@kingkai83]

Great mission, great flying... absolute respect. Looking forward to try it out

[@major_kukri2430]

I heard the gourmet at the pow camp is to die for.

[@CommandT]

Russian food is pretty good to be fair! :)

[@herptek]

​@@CommandT Unless you enjoy cabbage, you should try to simulate a search and rescue mission next in this threat environment just so it would be hard enough.

[@egorsagas3983]

Hey! Good work, man! I have only one question: How did u guys done radio effect when u were speaking?

[@CommandT]

Thanks! It’s using SRS and using the datalink secure comms in the F-18. You have to select the KY-58 radio to mode C and set the appropriate command for your push to talk using datalink comms in SRS. Sounds a bit complicated, but basically, just use SRS, even if it’s just through the usual box 1 or box 2 on the UFC.

[@Wildharrier]

Just 10/10

[@CommandT]

Thanks!! :)

[@Wildharrier]

@@CommandT Hope to see one day a mission with the oldies like the Mig-21, mirage F-1, etc!!

[@CommandT]

@@Wildharrier When Razbam releases the MiG-23 I'll be all over it :)

[@Wildharrier]

@@CommandT Oh yes, between that one, and the F-4, amazing things are to come I Hope so!!

[@kittyhawkdcs]

Outstanding video

[@Pericas-kp3tv]

Spectacular video... 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@CommandT]

Thank you very much! :)

[@maxitomix]

wow. this is amazing stuff. Glad i found you.

[@CommandT]

Glad to hear! :)

[@FernandoSoares6]

Dude, that low fly looks like exactly like in Ukraine air missions. Even the way you got inject and the sound of the jet passing above you when you got hit ARE IDENTICAL THE SAME AS REAL. I saw a thousend vídeos from the front in Ukraine, so I can easly say, this is the most accurate simulation of a real mission. Pretty good work you guys have done with this game. Take the fully potential

[@etf_aspen]

Very nicely done. what mission planning tools and maps are you using? they look great

[@CommandT]

Thanks! It's CombatFlite - free software. You can open up any .miz file in there :)

[@gembil777]

As usual,magnificent sir!! Do more with mirage or sukhoi i guess? Haha anyway,merry christmas from indonesia cheers 🍻🍻

[@CommandT]

Thanks very much! Yes I have some Mirage stuff planned too :) And Merry Christmas to you too! Cheers!

[@OnTarget100]

Respect, such an awesome mission. Love it

[@CommandT]

Thanks!! :) More coming!

[@LEThebest78]

GOD this video was intense AF hahah Rly like your dedication to set realistic videos in dcs. Maybe now it could be nice to like be the russian and try to strike US / NATO high value target to have a bit of variety. I would love to see like an intercept of US/NATO planes with russian or chinese planes

[@CommandT]

Thanks! I will do this but not until the current conflict with Ukraine is over :)

[@LEThebest78]

@@CommandT yess of course:)

[@jcugnoni]

Great video. Top quality. But why didn't you egress from the same route as the ingress? It looked much safer. Maybe it was to simulate the 'fog of war'?

[@CommandT]

Thanks! Yes, that was exactly the idea - fog of war. We were not supposed to know of the exact threats in the area around the front line apart from some predetermined positions of the SA-10, SA-19 and SA-6s

[@marcingrabowski7341]

amazing video, waiting for more

[@CommandT]

Thanks!! Absolutely :)

[@Yvarov]

For me there is nothing special in flying, but in comms. That's a very very very undestimated skill. GJ

[@CommandT]

Actually the Flying part was pretty tough 😉

[@skyscream]

Great video, and damned entertaining mission. Subscribed and following intently. By chance, what was the song you used during the briefing phase?

[@CommandT]

Great to hear! It's this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXqTioOFeteejsk

[@skyscream]

@Command T Thank you for the link. It is always frustrating attempting to find a song used in a video. I look forward to amazing videos.

[@CommandT]

@@skyscream Just use Shazam, it helps often :)

[@thyrnd839]

Great briefing, great tactics, great comms, great flying, great camera ... what else 😁 ? That's a minimum 11/10 👍. But weren't you chewing more than you could bite. I understand the limited resources scenario, but it still feels like you lack some support softening the area before striking the big guy 🤔.

[@CommandT]

Thanks very much! Very kind! To be honest the lack of "softening" is entirely as a result of crappy DCS AI that do stupid things. I did initially have extra decoy trucks but then the SA-10 just used up all of it's ammo, and AI aircraft just have no concept of operating in SAM threat zones either. They just jettison everything and run. Or if you set the ROE to ignore threat then they just get blasted out the sky. I just haven't figured out a way of doing it unfortunately. For shorter range SAMs it's easier to create AI HARM shooters that shoot outside of the SAM kill zone and then go CAP or something. So I might try include more of those in another scenario, but generally it's very hard to make AI not do stupid things when operating in a high threat environment with SAM dotted everywhere, which is why I often prefer to not have them at all and pretend that they are in the area.

[@clericneokun]

Did you use Skynet IADS for this mission? I'm just curious because, knowing vanilla DCS SAM AI, I expected that SA10 to just accurately shoot down all your HARMs after it was through with your TALDs. It's kinda BS to be honest. So much so that almost all of my recent Liberation SEAD ATOs are basically copy paste of the same Desert Storm Day 1 tactic of spamming TALDs until either the HARM guys get their mark or all the SAMs eventually run out of ammo. It was even dumber before the Hornets got TALDs. I used a shit ton of JSOWs lmao! 😂

[@CommandT]

No Skynet but I set trigger zones so that the SAMs only became activated within a certain range, effectively simulating a similar idea, with EWR radars being dotted in various locations. AS you'll see in the debrief video, at least 1 HARM hit the target, one missed, and 2 got shot down. So it sort of worked out reasonably unpredictable. But I agree, if you have 24 TALDs flying towards it, it will just stupidly waste all of it's ammo. Some serious AI limitations there :(

[@clericneokun]

@@CommandT That's a nice way to make up for the game's shortcomings. I just wish sam radars acted like they should (i.e. turn off) whenever a HARM is in the vicinity but I guess it's hard to sell a feature like that when sams already have pinpoint accuracy to detect and reliably shootdown anything and everything that comes their way (even glidebombs that are supposed to be insanely difficult to spot on radar).

[@ThePilotWhoCantFly]

New to dcs, whats the pointnof shooting the harms instead of another 2 decoys as the sa-10 can shoot down harms no?

[@loosecrash]

absolutely gorgeous !

[@CommandT]

Thanks!!

[@Bear-dt6ip]

Im confused as to how you used TOO mode without a targeting pod... I didnt know that was possible? maybe im just confused

[@goblindog3443]

I believe you use it in conjunction with a waypoint, as waypoint designation is achieved through TOO mode.

[@CommandT]

Yes just use a couple of waypoints as targets and set each TOO to that waypoint.

[@CommandT]

Yes just use a couple of waypoints as targets and set each TOO to that waypoint.

[@TheWoodWorkingPilot]

superb!!

[@TheWoodWorkingPilot]

love the tactical stuff, love the explanations, and would love to see more of it

[@CommandT]

@@TheWoodWorkingPilot Thank you! Yes, absolutely, I'll try to create more quality tactical stuff! :)

[@mariocouture1596]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🤩

Essa é a forma certa de voar.

[@pd28cat]

My only peeve is that you used Hornets not Vipers 😭

[@callsignnictmere465]

185👍

[@redtailpilot]

Behind Enemy Lines 😆

[@CommandT]

Was it not? :)

[@EZ-Bear]

If you understood how the SA-10 radar operates, you would know that "notching" does not work against this system.

[@CommandT]

The notching is to drag out the SA-10 missiles, not to break radar lock.

[@EZ-Bear]

@@CommandT The Proportional Navigation used in DCS which governs the SAM missile fly outs is also incorrect. Most SAMS use a proportional LOS rate which uses a gain factor governing the proportional intercept rate. Unfortunately, you would easily lose against this system.

[@CommandT]

Depends entirely on how low you are prepared to fly and behind what cover. But yes I don’t think any real pilot would be attempting what we did. This is after all a game. So if you have a better way of defeating an SA-10 in DCS without going home and ordering a drone strike followed by some ATACMS, feel free to share it.

[@EZ-Bear]

@@CommandT I'm just saying that the way advanced systems are modeled in DCS, they of course can be defeated. Like you said, it is just a game and the developers have no idea on how these threats really function. I find too many people think that what is modeled is somehow correct or true to life. The majority of these approaches are either impractical or impossible in real life.

[@CommandT]

That’s fair enough. Real life is very complex compared to any sim.