Which Era Of Aircraft Can Penetrate A SAM IADS Network Most Efficiently? | DCS

[@KortanaDCS]

I had a lot of fun setting this one up. Cap and I would love to make a series out of this, so feel free to comment with your suggestions :)

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Do a graduated build. From 40s cannons and AA guns, to S500 (or whatever). Be interesting to see a mix of tech as well. War birds bombing, with 5th Gen SEADing.

[@jamison884]

My only suggestion on effectiveness would be to coordinate the attack (aircraft, munitions, roles) more closely to optimize each attack. Look at third-gen for example, where you mention JDAMs are much cheaper and they appear to have been highly successful via lobbing them in, so theoretically it would have been zero losses with 100% mission success rate for 6-12 JDAMs. Also, yes, the newer tech is more complicated and allows for a a lot more mistakes, but I don't think that should be confused with real-world potential outcomes. I think it's safe to say modern NATO pilots have an extremely high standard of training all in order to limit user error and focus precisely on limiting mistakes during the most difficult and stressful tasks. DCS is extremely difficult to master, but for most everyone it is just a hobby, so I don't expect 99% of DCS pilots to fly as well as a modern US military pilot. Then you add the topic of flying ~5-30 different airframes in DCS and of course there will be mistakes. The closest GR videos have to the skill level of a modern military pilot (in my opinion of course) is Kortana, who could surely succeed at that role given entering that pipeline. So, who was the most successful pilot in each scenario - Kortana. Round 3 isn't her fault, as she flew in harms way 300% more than any other pilot that mission just to help wild weasel. Well, picture how well that third-gen attack would have gone with 8x Kortana robots? Just count the munitions costs and call it a win. I'm not suggesting eliminate others from participating, of course not, but it doesn't hurt to look at the results of the mission and add some inference on how you believe it would have gone if DCS-level piloting was replaced with professional full-time military piloting, versus taking the acrual results and potential silly mistakes and concluding that is how it would simply be. That gives me a new idea. Kortana, how do you feel about a new series, Kortana vs. the world? It would be a huge editing project by you and Cap, where you setup a mission requiring 2 to x number of combat roles, and then you simulate flying each role filmed seperately and combine them into one video of an attack run with many Kortanas. For this mission, it would likely be 2x F-16 SEAD/DEAD/wild weasel and 1x strike to put 6x JDAMs on the runway, all flown by...Kortana. That would be amazing and hilarious. It's much more complicated than that, especially seeing as how you'd have to predict the outcomes of certain scenarios due to differences of flying a seperate role in seperate runs versus the outcome of one run and three pilots (for example, one SAM versus one pilot three times or one SAM versus three pilots one time). Just a fun thought. Thank you all for the content, time it took to setup a complex and what I assume to be a realistic scenario, and all of the wonderful flying. \o/ PS: I get the sense that Kortana is compensated by "someone" for this level of military knowledge. Or, just a truly enthusiastic person who knows what they love.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

@@raphaelgarcia6121 think the awacs are generic radars whatever the model of aircraft.

[@thisismossop]

I enjoyed that, it reminded me of your (Kortanas) Air Defense Island. I say run the same thing again, but plan better. (I appreciate this takes time and we all know what that means in GR) The Gen 4 was a surprise and as pointed out, could have been completed for less cost.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

@@thisismossop Gen 4 should be a JDAM fest. No HARMs. No suicidal low level over runway flights. Aka a ‘John Nichols’.

[@zuke1624]

I love hearing Kortana's voice on these videos. I don't know what mic she has, but her's and cap's voices are always so clear and such perfect tone.

[@roberthogan9273]

Just for the record, I love Kortana. Her flying is fantastic, and her voice is smooth! All respect to you Kortana!

[@daniellauck9565]

In the first pass, Cap was smart enough to not get close to the airport. Best decision ever.

[@daszieher]

He still managed to get shot up 🤭

[@Wolfe-3D]

Thats why the section 6 remained intact haha

[@cshader2488]

Violet is getting a lot better. Kortana is a beast as always

[@robjohnson5872]

It was a good day for the Goyles ! Well done Kortana and Violet.

[@krismurphy7711]

Is she single (Kortana)? lol

[@zilfondel]

@@krismurphy7711 definitely married

[@merlindsbest]

Violet is awesome. As a noob, and still am, I caught her on the practice server ans she she took over an hour to try and talk me through carrier landings. Most patient person Ive found in the game to date.

[@demonfaeshae]

17:05 Holy hell! Kortana goes into a turn, drops bombs, and still managed to hit exactly wtf she's aiming at.

[@larsgulbrandsen9441]

I guess the conclusion is send in Kortana alone and save alot of money?

[@KortanaDCS]

lol, never underestimate the power of one very determined and slightly insane person 😂

[@dashy90210]

Kortana is really just every Ace Combat protag, confirmed.

[@srthebox4946]

@@dashy90210 can’t, she talks

[@SamMurphyHSV]

All of these simulations that Kortana builds and designs are fantastic. I always enjoy watching these collaborations. Great content!

[@trizzthefrizz5213]

Kortana is da goat her voice is so peaceful and calm too lol

[@RedTSquared]

I think this would be an awesome series! So many angles to run it from! Plus, great flying Kortana and Violet! Yes please, make this a Thing!

[@4MaliFat]

Kortana absolute legend. Great flying.

[@kurtreichenbach8927]

I like these type of missions where we are trying to figure out what works and don't work, this was fun. Sucks i had somebody show up to the house at the beginning on the gen 2/3 mission and didn't get a chance to fly the mission. RB

[@exidy-yt]

I could watch this sort of thing all day long. The cost analysis of weapons and platforms expended is fascinating to me, and a really good example of inflation over the last 80-100 years as well. Would LOVE to see more of Kortana's crew and the GRs running these!

[@fjmj1980]

If I could I would use a swarm of cheap drones to saturate the defense network. Obsolete missiles, war museum relics, gliders, even blimps would work in a pinch.

[@Spartan1-1]

Interesting 🤔

[@cockatoo010]

The coalition used decoy munitions during Desert storm for SEAD to great effect. Planes launched decoys which made it easier for the weasels to get their HARMs on the Iraqi radars

[@Nr15121]

Malds work great

[@haytorrock3312]

And if your desperate use the qm type drones built as targets.

[@ecbst6]

But does the new scoreboard calculate VAT and report it to the home office?

[@grimreapers]

lols

[@darkjill2007]

This video is a pretty good argument for the Super Tucano.

[@GeoMiluti]

Kortana is impressive. I have to say. What a pilot !

[@cthomas3782]

I love the way the scoreboard forces you to think about the most efficient method of destroying the target

[@gojeda]

Excellent flying by the ladies. And would I be out of place saying that Kortana has a pretty voice? Well I don't care, she does! Well done ladies and gents. Let's make this a thing.

[@ilovetomcats]

Like what was already said, I think it’d be great to see Viggens go at it, as well as using decoys from F14s/F18s. When they come out, it’d be interesting to see the F-15E and F-4E employed. I think it might also be interesting to use some less expensive aircraft in the mix (such as the MB-339, OV-10, A-29, SK-60, JF-17, etc) or throw some helicopters in.

[@SuperpowerBroadcasting]

This was very fun to watch. Good job, Reapers!

[@AvidboMerrion]

Kortana`s voice is like having honey poured own your ear !! Buitifull

[@louisbabycos106]

Is she a voice actress?

[@glenproctor1999]

Maybe a try with cheap modern stuff like OV-10, Tucano, Pucará? It could combine the best of modern tech with warbird flying?

[@jruser]

Fascinating analysis. Lots of fun to watch, as always! Perhaps for Gen 4 aircraft the pilot's mantra could be transformed from "aviate, navigate, communicate" to "aviate, navigate, devastate" ... because *aviate* remains top of the list.

[@emssmiley2002]

Id be proud of CAP if he would just finish a mission

[@grimreapers]

One day...

[@sbrix5755]

Getting hooked on Grim Reapers' videos ....... though this is bit like setting mountaineering records. 1st to get to the top. 1st to get to the top alone. 1st to get to the top alone in winter. 1st to get to the top, at winter, blindfolded and only wearing boxershorts. 😀

[@WhiteHatH4x0r]

Great one ladies & gents. Always love a Kortana IADS! Cap, your videography skills have gotten lots better. Really enjoying the new scenarios & War Games

[@mitchellgraber9448]

Appreciate all the work you guy put in for us

[@Northpole666]

WHAT?!?!?! No take-off chrashes????? Am I on the right channel?????😲 Most impessive, GR!!!!!!!!👌👍

[@gaxanuziagain1748]

29:19 - Did I just hear Kortana admit that she is AI?

[@robjohnson5872]

Just as an aside GR members and followers, Ward Carol is a retired F-14 pilot who has a KZbin channel has recommended as the best Aircraft Carrier movie of all time as being The Fighting Lady which is available on KZbin. I'd post a link but not sure it's permissible. Probably worth a look.

[@Power5]

There was a sad lack of Bombcats in this scenario.

[@Lazadude]

Does the scoreboard have inflation adjusted figures to be normalised or are the prices as of what they cost at that period in time?

[@KortanaDCS]

I know for my numbers I adjusted the inflation to bring them to 2020 values.

[@Ishawn.Ramaaj]

i used to live in virginia near the NAS Oceana navy base and i would love to see some type of war games involving that base. By looking online there seems so be about 250 F/A-18 super hornets and i was lucky enough to get a tour of the base and hangers from my friend an F-18 pilot. Also with the navy ships stationed in that area and the Langley air force have with 5th gen, it would be cool to see THE BLOB of F/A-18s all scrambled.

[@Tomas9970_1]

I would honestly like to see Viggens going in at high speed and outrunning SAMs and stuff. Second idea is using twin-seaters like the F-14 and F-15E (once it's out) to see if splitting the workload helps with survivability.

[@robjohnson5872]

I'd love to see the JAS-39C for 4th Gen and Viggens at 3rd Gen. And are GR at the point yet where they can create the JS-39E model ?

[@rubiconnn]

No viggen is going to outrun a missile lol.

[@oldfashionedwrx3574]

you're not outrunning heavy SAMs in the no escape zone, you dont wanna be in that sam envelop

[@PietroFariello]

In the scoreboard you should probably consider the pilot’s value as well. Maybe integrate it with a survivability score (I.e if you shoot an a-10 down the pilot is more likely to survive than in a zero).

[@keironastbury9399]

That needed the tornado or A6 intruder?

[@KortanaDCS]

Yep! We'll add those aircraft to future missions in the series as they become available

[@emmalyotier777]

you should do a video where you try to do something like this but with period period accurate sams to see which era had the easiest and hardest time

[@johnhmstr]

a4's and mirage are super sexy... i am clearly showing my age. Kortana always impresses me, design and flight. She is my peoples champ! Sorry Simba. 27:50 Matrix: "Who designed this mission?" :-)

[@MikeHarrison3266]

YAY, Kortana, all is well.

[@faisalee]

Cortana is a beast! I am a fan :D

[@allantotti]

Does Cortana have a channel?

[@KortanaDCS]

I do 🙂

[@peribe438]

Kortana is in class of her own👍

[@smacman68]

Good to see Violet Moon and Kortana back again. Been a while

[@Optimaloptimus]

The first raid is basically the most daring raid ever and it was a disaster as expected.

[@pierrelahaie6359]

Sad that the A-26 Invader is not available. Nice concept, "cost effectivness". Do more!

[@krismurphy7711]

Or B25 gunships with parafrags

[@REPDETECT241]

Warbirds are the new prop drones :)

[@upyr1]

I can't wait until you can do this with F-4 Phantom IIs.

[@KortanaDCS]

Me either! We'll definitely be adding them to our list as soon as Heatblur releases it

[@drewbacca5467]

Can the counter be programmed to include human cost? I know you guys know it, but some of these GR missions seem to just throw human lives at stuff when it wouldn’t have happened if it was in real life. If so, can it be programmed to distinguish between people who survive (eject/ditch successfully) vs die vs are captured (not sure how you’d determine this).

[@rubiconnn]

Nations throw human lives at trivial issues all of the time. They like to pretend that they don't but they absolutely do.

[@jimrussell4062]

The cost of training a pilot scaled up with time, because the flight costs did too so arguably you could just figure in another 5-10% for pilots.... or figure it's included in the price.

[@MattyJ55046]

Dude you get sick so often it’s nuts. Kortana is a badass!

[@veleriphon]

Your flying corpses provided Cortana the perfect warbirds distraction.

[@GEORGIOS1986]

"two chicks" dominate the scene

[@krismurphy7711]

What were the ground explosions when Violet in the A4 was turning around to align with the runway???

[@Gozar111]

Kortana is in a league of her own. Truly.

[@ardyzink7928]

If Kortana isn't careful ... somebody in the DOD is going to special draft her and throw her into the Air Force. And everyone will live happily ever after if she ends up a weapons instructor at Nellis AFB.

[@KortanaDCS]

Lol, if the Air Force wants to give me a jet to fly I wouldn't turn them down. That said, I wouldn't exactly put having ~4000 hours in DCS on my resume 😅.

[@therealfearsome]

i want to see the 4th gen redone

[@forzaelite1248]

Something like this seems tailor made for 5th gen, it's basically what it's designed around

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

_GREAT_ video, everybody!

[@pokeybit]

Nice shot Violet

[@LondonSteveLee]

The reality behind these defensive systems is they are spread thinly because you never have enough of them or enough of a variety to cope with all vectors of attack - factor in breakdowns and lack of spare parts which are NEVER factored in DCS - means that they are no where nearly as effective as they are on paper. Something like a Tigermoth would get through most modern defences as it can fly under the cover of most modern air defence systems. Gepards would be more use than most of these systems as they are capable against close-in low and slow threats.

[@michaelwiggins3663]

the Cap prop strike was hilarious

[@mfreed40k]

Don't forget the cost in pilots. They have a high intrinsic value.

[@KortanaDCS]

We are working on adding that to the tally

[@mfreed40k]

@Kortana is there's anyone that could do it, it's Kortana!

[@MultiDivebomber]

The best way to disable runway is to bomb it then aim CBU 89 Gator right on the craters to delay repairs

[@TylerF35A]

How about B-21 with F-35A escort, take out high value target and egress, but using terrain masking?

[@Partstim]

But what about the Sopwith Camel ?

[@mattg9971]

Violet!!! Wooo woo. Look at you hero.

[@Miata822]

WWI vs. Helicopters was fun, but Warbirds would whack the choppers every time. Try that?

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Our Queen Kortana has returned woot

[@michaelrowland4021]

Great video, Cap try three F16 killing Sam's and three F16 tossing JDAM.

[@concernedaussie1330]

I would love to see some cost effective modern weapons & necessary weapons systems adapted to the warbirds. It seems like a cost effective option to me & this platform seems to be a good test platform. Thanks as always.

[@MPdude237]

Sorry if I missed it but what did you guys use for SEAD on the 3rd Gen package? I just saw bombs. AGM-45?

[@klaasdoeden3113]

Get well soon Cap! Simba, what part of Kansas are you from? KS here too! Not a KU fan I hope!

[@edl653]

What is the cost of the lost/killed pilots?

[@tonycmk]

Here for Grumpnik! (Yeah I know he was here in spirits)

[@joegoveia6499]

When you lose an airframe, does that count the remaining ordinance on board as money on the scoreboard?

[@mattmcbee7109]

Feel better soon, Cap!

[@streetcop157]

Evac is much easier when the missles don’t have 300 mile range and aren’t waiting for you at the house with a bat when you get home

[@MordaxTenebre]

Surprised no one using a EF-111 raven or a F4 wild weasel dedicated SEED aircraft. Was it cost or some other considerations for it? Really surprised no Phantoms,Jaguars, tornados, or aardvarks.

[@chs76945]

Weird seeing a Reaper who knows what they are doing.... :D

[@macgibbon]

Fun fact: the A4 was New Zealand's strike fighter. Until it was noted that there was no point in having them and they got sold off.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Because nobody in their right mind would invade New Zealand?

[@macgibbon]

@@LondonSteveLee That and even if they did, what are 14 A4s going to do?

[@WhiteHatH4x0r]

Perhaps Cap shouldn’t have fitted the Mk2 “Clown Shoe” propeller? 😉

[@dadjokes8963]

warbirds won it by a country mile

[@jameslinz7269]

Entertaining, but…everyone’s a critic, so here goes: Warbirds - my inner-CFI kept screaming CENTERLINE, CENTERLINE when I saw the Spitfire (and virtually every other plane) careening left on take-off. Please review torque, p-factor, turning tendencies and gyroscopic effects for propeller-driven aircraft in the Pilot’s Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge.

[@FeatheredDino]

Part of me is doubtful that the radar signature of warbirds is modeled correctly... because why would that be a priority for ED

[@LondonSteveLee]

Modern air defence systems are designed to counteract threats flying high and fast. Saudi Arabia has the largest and most complex US Patriot installation in the world. Many clusters of systems all over the place - billions and billions of dollars worth. $3000 commercial drones carrying grenades and shaped charges flew under their cover and blew up half the Saudi oil refining infrastructure. These sophisticated SAM sites with million dollar plus missiles are last decade solutions to last decade problems.

[@Mjones8383]

My favorite video in a while. Kids are little bioterriost with all their germs!!

[@bearcatracing007]

Hope you feel better soon Super Cap

[@M.H.D.actual]

It would be cool to see A29's, broncos, etc.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

GR yet again show that lead is the place to be!

[@leesorensen3077]

Would the soviet IADS even pick up a cloth Bi-Plane if you tried ?

[@jimrussell4062]

It would pick up a metal engine and a spinning prop pretty well. Imagine it has about the same radar return as a Predator UAV so plan accordingly.

[@RossOneEyed]

What is great is how many "Dodge Ball" and "Sponge Bob" fans fly with GR.

[@charlielivermanjr8837]

No A6 Intruders?

[@raitheon]

Get well soon good sir

[@mrlodwick]

Thank you all!

[@mariomezquita3492]

That was loads of fun to watch, Cap. Thank you for the video. :) Question: How would a flight of Super Tucanos fare in the same scenario? Slow speed like the legacy birds, but a significant upgrade in terms of avionics and armament. Reckon they'd do the job, or toast?

[@louisbabycos106]

Super Tucanos are slower than WW2 warbirds

[@mariomezquita3492]

@@louisbabycos106 But wouldn't their more advanced electronics and countermeasures, together with their ability to deliver smart munitions make up for the lack of speed? Yes, slower than the warbirds, but in some ways more capable?

[@klaw2749]

Maybe which era aircraft can anti-ship most efficiently?

[@robertnijkamp2051]

why not a combi of Harm's and Durandals

[@marnig9185]

But are Tornado's exactly made for this?

[@cockatoo010]

Yeah. There's a munitions dispenser designed to take runways out. The thing is that it needs air defense to be defeated first, since it needs to line up and do a low pass over the runway

[@LondonSteveLee]

Or Buccaneer - able by sheer accident of design to surf their own ground turbulence boundary layer hands off. Nothing else fixed wing will fly as low and fast - if you dare!

[@jimrussell4062]

@@LondonSteveLee Or jaguar... or Mirage 2000... or Viggen... most planes can claim they are "good" at it, but in the end they could all pretty much do the job. Nothing stops an F-16 from being just as effective as any of those at scooting in at low level. (Some are even better like the F-18 or F-15E since they have more range/payload and on board jammers that many of those other a/c didn't get... or could only carry with a reduced payload.

[@LondonSteveLee]

@@jimrussell4062 Indeed but a plane designed from day one with ground hugging terrain following RADAR (like B.1B) and one that accidentally flies on its own boundary layer hands off have rather an advantage don't you think? Rumour has that after doing it's usual trick of tracking a B1.B during a terrain following exercise - he got bored with the USAF's 500 ft limit and undertook the B1.B - literally - much to their surprise - dunno if this was a RAF bar tale or what but we know the Buccaneer would do it easily.

[@edvin_hook]

could you make this with 5 gen

[@jonathanclemente1473]

Bombing runways is very 1940s thinking. With the amount of maintenance and the facilities required, hangars and maintenance facilities and equipment is a much better tactical target.

[@occamraiser]

Is it time for another Carrier Command campaign?