Commercial 7.62X54R Ammo Test

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In this video, we test some of the most commonly available commercial loads for the 7.62x54r. The round itself has made tremendous leaps in popularity, mainly due to the fact that the M91/30 is such a cheap and available rifle in surplus form. One reason the round has taken off well too is that it is still in service in the Military so surplus stores are continuing to replenish. It has the distinction of being the long serving military cartridge in the world, being in service since 1891.
We will shoot another test in a future video showcasing some of the most common military surplus ammunition. We thought that a test of commercial ammo would be a prudent thing given that most of it sells for a considerable premium over most surplus offerings. On the plus side, much of the brass cased commercial ammo is boxer primed and reloadable.
Even despite the seemingly cheap cost of surplus ammo, some of us still like to experiment with handloads in the Mosin. I am one of those people and will share some of my pet loads in a future video.
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[@RockerGuy0001]

Eric if that rifle falls into that grass you might not be able to find it

[@eastcoast_egolifter]

what rifle?

[@kingnothing3523]

me me big boy You beat me to it.

[@KurtOnoIR]

RockerGuy0001 yeah don't set it down and walk away lol

[@v1743962002]

What did you see? I just see him talking and pretend like he is shooting. I don't even know what this video was trying to say.

[@TheRaveBarn]

The dad jokes are strong in this thread

[@kaylashort7344]

100 yards / 91 meters 0:35 ammo intro 2:17 soft point barnaul 203g 4:32 soft point silver bear ( rebranded barnaul) 203g 6:46 fmj ppu match 182g boxer primer 8:35 fmj S&B match 174g boxer primer 11:33 soft point S&B 180g boxer primer 400 meter / 440 yards 15:15 fmj S&B match 174g boxer primer 16:21 soft point S&B 180g boxer primer 16:55 conclusions

[@74KU]

Bubba'd Mosin, all video.

[@johnleyendecker79]

S&B match is not a full metal jacket it is a hollow point

[@woodlandcammo27]

This channel has come a looong way! The audio and video clarity is the best on KZbin. The editing is top notch as well. Love all the videos!

[@stevenbarr3338]

FOR THOSE LOOKING FOR THE STOCK: This is a Richards Microfit Tack Driver stock.

[@coldnorwegian4716]

I just love it when the inexpensive stuff performs great in my rifles ^^ Sellier & Bellot 180grs soft point for my .308 Weatherby Vanguard S2, is a sub MOA load. Great stuff! It's my go to deer hunting ammo.

[@IIDASHII]

Great vid Eric. Thanks for taking the time. I've been getting tired of having to clean my Mosin within an hour of shooting surplus ammo. This really helps me narrow the field of non-corrosive ammo to look for. I've got a couple boxes of 180 grain Winchester white box 7.62x54R soft points that I haven't fired yet. I think I'll try upload a grouping session with them when I get the chance.

[@AKJeeper]

Awesome job. I'd be proud of the work you guys did on it. I hope your customer appreciates the rifle...I know I'd be damn happy to have one like that!

[@sanfordhoffman2392]

This is one of my favorite videos. Love those tiny groups you got with the S&B. Out of a Mosin id say thats the best I've seen one shoot.

[@ColdWarWarriors]

I have found PPU to be the best value for money when it comes to non corrosive ammo for the Mosin.

[@stephenmaurer3548]

PPU works well from my "bone stock" mosin 91/30. I'm think'n the SP would make a great deer round.

[@jackmazza5742]

Stephen Maurer The SP does my friend. I dropped a monster buck last week with it in upstate NY.

[@stephenmaurer3548]

Jack Mazza Yes. I was getting nice groups with PPU SP in my Mosin, However, I just cannot get PPU 8mm to work well in my Yugo M24/47. Russian or Bulgarian 147 gr. light ball (silver tip is a great blasting round....... CONGRADS ON THE BUCK!!

[@Saltyems]

PPU is non corrosive?

[@jason127x99]

+Zachary Zerbe yes I do believe its not

[@rockriver670]

Awesome build, bought 91/30 for wife but she only wanted LimbSaver recoil reducer and BrassStacker rail for scout scope. She likes older look of this hex receiver type Mosin built in '33 at Tula as it is save foe the scope. We usually like 5 round groups to truly ring out accuracy potential of any rifle/ammo combo. Your videos are well made and to the point with info people that like guns are looking for. Good job.

[@randyyonkins9467]

The Winchester 180gr soft points have done very well for my Mosin as well as the PPU 182gr fmj.

[@StealthDonut1]

Wow, that action is smooth as a baby's behind. I have to manhandle my Mosin's bolt when I cycle rounds in and out of it.

[@DustySquitoNM]

Fully disassembling the bolt revealed that mine had some extra cosmoline packed away in between the parts of the bolt. Once I cleaned that out, scrubbed, and oiled everything again, my action got a lot smoother. Still, nothing as smooth as that beast.

[@nickleback3695]

Smack the bolt up like it bad mouthed you.

[@jason127x99]

Try get a good lubricant for the bolt. The bolts on mosins like it being wet. With the right type of lubricant I can use one finger to extract a spent shell out of my mosin. No more stuck bolt for me.

[@YgSmLn]

jason127x99 gun grease not rem oil

[@toddk1377]

I use G36 lubricant. Works great. Pretty smooth. Only a little sticking with steel case but smooth as butter with brass cased ammo.

[@MrS22222]

My bubba 19.5" mosin loves Tulammo of all things. I love it even more for that. lol

[@antiacus]

Fantastic. My 91/30 shot about 4" groups. Corked the barrel, polished the trigger contact points and worked up a hand load using Barnes tsx 150s and brought it down to just over an inch. Killed the biggest blacktail of my life with it that fall. Very rewarding project!

[@FokkerBoombass]

2:36 trying to load an empty shell :D

[@barbaricwanderer3841]

Thanks for this review. I've been curious about the commercial loads available, particularly since I'd prefer to reload as well. As always, thanks again and keep up the great reviews and various videos!

[@pink_love_cat4928]

I've never seen a Mosin with an action that smooth most of them you have to beat and bang them around

[@Bread_0]

I have a really clean type 53 with the slickest bolt I've ever seen

[@avjeeper7006]

If you have to beat the bolt, the receiver probably needs to be shimmed. Sometimes the magazine is recessed to high into the stock. The top of the magazine is impacting the bottom of the bolt causing interference. Loosen the screws half a turn and then cycle the bolt, see if it loosens up a bit. If not try a full turn on the screws.

[@mr1hanky]

amazing camera work at the last few shots of the softpoint you can even see the flying path of the round

[@nathanninja2]

Can you please upload a video on surplus 7.62x54r, with the groupings at 100+ yards and maybe even 1000 if possible. Thanks :)

[@haroldgeorgeibelljr]

ive saw a video they put a svt 40 on the range using 7.62x54R boat tail match grade at 500meters 4 inch groups i was a doubter untill i saw the hits it is for real = i forget which youtube video it was = you have to search for it = it was done out west flat ground some sand dones on the lleft and right and the target was soo far out there 500 meters is real far

[@billstearns9566]

I have noticed a few comments on people writhing their addiction was that smooth. On my 43 Tula I have a very smooth bolt. I took it completely apart to clean it when I got it. Every time I clean the rifle, I spray the whole bolt down with balistol. Then I let it sit and wipe it down as thoroughly as I can with a cloth. My bolt is super smooth and the only sticking I get is if the receiver gets really hot and the casings stick a bit.

[@nicholasthomas4382]

I would be interested to know what an off the shelf Mosin would do with the same loads, how much of the accuracy can be attributed to the work you dud, and what the price tag would be for the work.

[@big6red389]

Oh yeah thats a great idea

[@Odinsforgottenson]

Built my own at home so I cant estimate the price of the work and I dont know what all went into this build but my project came to about 1600 in parts and tools minus the rifle itself.

[@misters2837]

I have a 90% "as received" (I Refinished the stock and slightly reduced the diameter of the stock where you grip it behind trigger) I do not know much about it, But it is a Hex 1914 marked receiver Mosin-Nagant the long barrel, M91 model, My sights are marked Arshins on one side and Meters on the other...My handloads which are Sierra 180 Grain Prohunter (Which are .311 for .303 loaded with Accurate 2700) will smack the 440 gong at 440, 19 out of 20 shots and I am shooting with open sights, at a red painted gong! (as for the off the shelf S&B loads, my first impression reaction would be YES, that is what I used to buy, and now reloading those cases)

[@HiwattScot]

Excellent wind control with the microphones this go round. Well done!

[@FeNite8]

May all the ghosts of the Red Army descend upon you every night for what you did to the poor Mosin. RIP comrade Mosin

[@1holyblack]

IV8888 - Thanks for putting this video together. Amazing job on the sporter and it shows both in good looks and accuracy. Appreciate all your efforts. Keep em comin'

[@russian06374]

could you make a similar video with an unmolested surplus rifle at 100 yards

[@n2dadarknight]

Lol wow did you get your wish this year.

[@blakelynch400]

I have a mosin nagant that is over 100 years old accurate to 300 yards so far...the shooting range onky goes out to 300 yards, and she's consistantly hitting steel plates

[@electrosnow]

I like the warmth in the video capture, seems like a vibrant color setting.

[@alanhodgkinson1717]

Good job on the rifle,looks good,,but what's the rubber grommet thingy on the barrel???

[@momouppa]

Alan Hodgkinson a barrel tuner

[@hustler11773]

Philip Alpers im not a very smart man so.... could you tell me again but in english

[@momouppa]

It is a tuner, you can tune by sliding it up and down the barrel, imagine strumming a guitar and sliding your finger up the neck of the guitar. You will change the harmonics.

[@ianjacques3226]

Philip Alpers Trent Wilson hustler0118 isaac Alan Hodgkinson it has a few possible/probable independent/correlated effects: Damping harmonics, tuning harmonic resonance to a different shape or speed of successive waves, tricking the barrel into thinking it is either more rigid or more compliant at a certain point, muffling the secondary shockwave that returns back to the receiver after the supersonic first wave exits, cushioning the rattle associated with the blast from the muzzle and a host of other dynamic and sound/shock effects. This product is similar to a muffler as well as bushings, shocks and the harmonic balancer on most every vehicle. I understand the theories due to studying vehicle dynamics and component force/energy transfer relations.

[@fenomeno71]

I noticed they took it off for the 440 shoot....

[@AlbuquerqueIrons]

Awesome video, I have been LOving your channel lately! More mosins and their variants would be highly appreciated, cant wait for the surplus ammo accuracy vid!

[@sethwatson8952]

That's the best Mosin I've seen! How about a video on how this gun was customized?

[@Delta7525]

This video was fantastic, I really hope they do more videos like this with different rifle/ cartridge combos. Maybe show the accuracy differences between semis and bolt guns.

[@dennisgraham2624]

I actually just finished having mine Sporterized. With a Monte Carlo Stock. Bent Bolt. New trigger and springs. 11degree crown on a 22in Barrel.

[@sierra31454]

Disgusting

[@gromann]

gott3145 wanna see my modified m39?!

[@Plainsimple67]

YOU RUINED A BEAUTIFUL WAR HORSE, NEW MODERN HUNTING GUNS ARE CHEAP ENOUGH, SHOOT THOSE.

[@jason127x99]

Is this on a mosin? If so you make that gun with it stock trigger group have a hair trigger with adjusting the nut the by the trigger. I know because I've done two of them. Just don't loosen the too far out. Only draw back is your bolt will fall out with out pressing on the trigger.

[@ocean8328]

I've never been a fan of Mosin sporters... Until now. Well done.

[@ionut5350]

2:35 Oops

[@RightToSelfDefense]

Excellent video. I have to say that it was a little difficult to track where your shots were going since you were putting the rounds right through the same whole. Cool. Very Cool.

[@gabrielnovotny6035]

Wait!? So your telling me there is a Mosin under all that camo??

[@sruddy7022]

Well i've cracked picked up a mosin 91/30 from 1936 yesterday .great gun. Been a subscriber for a couple years now the torture tests,cosmoline removal, corrosive cleaning, sporterizing series anything you need to know about the mosin is on this channel. Thanks Eric and Moss pawn for all the support you give for the old mil-surp rifles whenever you get a chance I'd like to see what proof marks that would make a mosins rare thanks you or it been coverd in other video Semper Fidelis

[@dustinandersen8176]

i'd totally own that mosin. what kind of stock is that (or was it modified from)

[@Pipodecatan]

It’s a richards microfit tack driver stock

[@warcube91]

That is the first sporterized Mosin i've seen that i would actually consider owning. That is an amazing job on that rifle.

[@jamessingleton5800]

Eric. Where can I get that "party of five" shirt?

[@puppetguy64]

That rifle is beautiful I have a 91/30 factory sniper I’m trepidatious to customize, yours really inspires me

[@Hercules1-v9m]

This comment is 5 years too late but that S&B match red box is sold out everywhere.

[@kodiakbearguy1675]

That was just simply awesome that you were hitting a target out at 440 yards with a Mosin Nagant, just awesome. Thank you for making this video, please make more Mosin videos and have a nice day 👍.

[@calebwhittington3749]

Well at least it wasn't as long as nutnfancy's videos..Lol

[@brianmead7556]

Nutnfancy: Expanding 10 minutes of content into 3 hours of video since 2009.

[@joeman80128]

Man good to see that an old rifle like that will shoot that good with the right ammo!

[@f0rgotten_]

Mosin looks like a Remington Model 700 VTR well except the stock lol

[@chasebarnard1223]

Indeed

[@DeezCheez69]

It looks nothing like that. Just look at the reciever and mag

[@haroldgeorgeibelljr]

hello eric thanks for a CHAD como appearance i sure would love to see more of his excellent marksmen skills he is totally awesome

[@sanfordhoffman2392]

Harold George Ibell Jr. Totally agree. Chad's a great shooter too. I watched their video on the Argentine Mauser. They couldn't miss with that rifle. Was a great video. Would love to see another video on that one. Would be worth a rerun.

[@josheyboy25]

I absolutely love that stock!! Please direct me in the direction that I can get one?! Thnx!! I love the videos!!

[@wesleyraya]

That is one of my favorite cartridges. I have built one of my own heavy barreled mosin that shoots excellent!

[@hustler11773]

question how do you get the action so dang smooth

[@KioneWinterHowl]

Lots of polishing where it be needed. Look at the bolt you see where it's shiny and were it isn't? That's where you need to polish.

[@gromann]

he has a vid on that subject

[@andrewshrader6555]

hustler0118 isaac well myne is smooth as buter and its from 1918

[@jason127x99]

+Unum Heros that and keeping it well lubed. I was have lots of problems with my bolt extracting until I polished it and put a good quality lube on it. Smooth a hell now.

[@jason127x99]

+Andrew Shrader damn! That a old mosin! I've got a 1926 octagon receiver mosin. I think getting a mosin after or before a war is the best ones to get. During war time they were cranking them out fast with less quality control. At lease that's what I've been told.

[@StrainXv]

I love watching the round fly down range.

[@allanscarborough8847]

Wow! 8:40-8:51, Iraqveteran8888, can shoot a gnat off of a flies ass!

[@chuknukbubs6322]

Allan Scarborough - Why'd the paper blow out a little about 3 tiles down from the last shot? Just shockwave or what?

[@grottski]

Just another KZbin commenter ricochet of the steel plate behind it. if you listen close you can here the "ping"

[@2JEWS1PENNY]

Dude, that load is kick ass. Best accuracy I've seen in a mosin.

[@eastcoast_egolifter]

mmmmm... moist nugget

[@jason127x99]

Your making me hungry!! Now I've got to get my ass to MC Donald's and get a 20 PC with some sweet and sour sauce!! Damn you! Lol! Jk!

[@packbadge]

That bolt/action looks and sounds buttery smooth!

[@PatrickBenoit10]

wow this mosin looks fantastic

[@americathefree3708]

It does..

[@NickAck23]

i need one of these!

[@Hercules1-v9m]

Looks fugly to me but I am a wood and steel guy.

[@FirstLast-su3ke]

I like the look of the Moisin without customizing,but this looks good. I think bullpup stocks on bolt actions are ridiculous.

[@FirstLast-su3ke]

I like the look of the Moisin without customizing,but this looks good. I think bullpup stocks on bolt actions are ridiculous.

[@floydoleary3167]

I have shot that S&B 174 Gr. at 100 and 200 yards. All groups were very tight . Rifle Dragunov. S& B makes some very high quality ammo for rifle and hand gun.

[@jason127x99]

How does it compare to the mosin? I would think the mosin would be a little bit more accurate but I could be wrong. Being I'll never get to own one because they are way too much in price for me.

[@jason127x99]

+jason127x99 the SVD that is

[@geoffflato6065]

I seriously think that's the ugliest rifle I've ever seen .... Sorry, but I just can't stand looking at it

[@MrMalicious5]

These guys are professional hacks.

[@feddyvonwigglestein3481]

MrMalicious5 don't like your own comments, loser.

[@mason1011]

MrMalicious5 shut up douche.

[@kingnothing3523]

Very few practical guns can be described as particularly pretty. Firearms are tools, not showpieces.

[@jason127x99]

SKS is an ugly rifle, but I love my SKS rifle! Can't remember the name of that 9 mm rifle I think maybe it's called Keltec I could be wrong on the name. It's ugly as hell, but the most comfortable rifle I've ever picked up. Sometimes the ugliest rifle are the best rifles. At lease that's what I've noticed.

[@segua]

Thank for saving me a major headache, each rifle is different but at least I have a compass. Thanks again.

[@nathrak]

There is just something that warms my heart about bullet trails.

[@bigwilly8746]

LOVE these types of vids Eric! Thanks!

[@GoreTorn16]

Nice shooting Eric!! One of my favorite channels!

[@WhiskeyRiverRifleman]

S+B 180 grain SP's have killed a lot of deer for me. My Mosin shoots MOA with them. 200 grain Seirra Gamekings in Norma brass, over 44.7 grains of Varget produces 5 shot groups @ 100 yards that can be covered with a quarter ($.25).

[@deathfromabove2250]

that was some beautiful shooting out of a beautifully built mosin! This makes me want to sporterize my mosin now!

[@troy9477]

Great results. If i change the wood on mine it will be a traditional style Boyd's laminate. Good to know about the ammo. S&B has always made good stuff- had very good results in 7x57, 8x57 and 303 British, plus their handgun ammo. PPU is pretty good too. Looking forward to trying Win white box 180's. Love their handgun ammo, 308 and 223

[@ColdWarWarriors]

That looks like a really smooth action on your Mosin, not like the surplus versions that require a little muscle.

[@thudable]

Eric, THANKS. Great review. I wish you you would have thrown in a little surplus though. Would have been interesting. Love the custom job on the rifle. I'm a Mosin guy too, and appreciate what can be done with this solid platform.

[@CrotchetRocket]

yall do great work on these videos

[@j0rdanj1]

Nice video, love the 7.62x54r. Thanks Eric. Looking forward to the surplus test

[@fks-pv8il]

Love your videos guys! Keep'em coming! BTW, I love the Mosin sporters!

[@charger7022]

I just shot my shortened mosin with the Winchester white box 180 gr soft point and was getting 1 1/4 groups all day with it. I cant wait to try this S&B Match load!

Great video. Just wondering, Eric did you let the barrel cool down between strings? A hot barrel shoots different than a cooler one. Your videos are the best.

[@berniestraight126]

Solid and provable great information thanks again guys and nice shooting

[@MrBasshead123]

Wow, you are truly a great shot. I am impressed. Great video!

[@nolanmerryman4864]

I just started using the Silver Bear 203 gr. So far I've found it cycles a little easier than the PPU and it's not very expensive. I bought them for hunting but still experimenting with groups.

[@45calvet]

Good video Eric. I loved seeing the ammo test with the Mosin. Next stop is to find some S&B 180 gr. match ammo and try it out.

[@caddilacjim]

Very cool setup on that Mosin and great test.

[@sstimac]

That paint job is awesome.

[@EverlastingHate]

Thanks for including yards and meters into the video. Saves me the trouble of converting yards into meters in Google ;)

[@charlesp3327]

really really enjoy the vids I recently acquired a mosin 1896 m91 it's a beast so far I've put 30rnds thru and I'm stumped at 25yrds it's on a dime at 50 its dinner plate at 100 its planetary I have not tried it with the bayonet

[@KurtOnoIR]

I keep watching this video because its the best mosin I've seen in a long time👍

[@WallyMerc06]

Awesome shooting fellas. That rifle looks badass, obviously 500 yards is a walk in the park for that one.

[@lonegamer89]

That's a sweet piece of kit you have there Eric!

[@1JRrambo]

thank you so munch for these videos this stuff you cant learn in school and most gun shops wont tell you anything like this because you might or might not buy from them.

[@SuperiorAutocraft]

Eric, good video. Have you experienced accuracy issues with any Mosins after continuous fire? I've had a couple of experiences where heating up the barrel starts to lead to some really funky shots.

[@charger7022]

Great video! I just finished my mosin project and just got back from shooting it for the first time. I was shooting the Winchester white box 180 gr soft point and got 1 1/4 inch or better groups. Im very happy. oh by the way when we going to see some muzzle breaks on your myosin's??? I cut jus shy of 6in off my barrel and put on a precision armament m-11 brake on it and it looks and shoots fantastic! keep up the good work I love my mosin and love seeing all yours!

[@Anman619]

Just bought a Mosin today! Haven't shot it yet, but I'm excited.

[@RobM93784]

Great video, and a job well done on the Mosin.

[@dangerousfreedom4965]

You need to do an update video with the 203 brown bear sp ammunition

[@NCshooter1213]

Beautiful groups with that mosin. Thanks for sharing 8888

[@mosspawnfanatic]

Hey Eric, EXCELLENT video! My mom bought me a mosin for my birthday from you a couple years ago. I. just love these guns. Thats a real sweet one you got there. I dig the parkerized,down turned bolt. Did you notice any variation in accuracy with the rubber barrel thing taken off?

[@txsharpshooter85]

Good video. I like the work yall did on that rifle too.

[@Avus95]

it refers to the length of the bullet itself. "7.62" is the diameter of the bullet "x54R" means that it is 7.62millimeters in diameter by 54millimeters long, and it is a "Rimmed" cartridge. same applies for: 7.62x39mm (AK and SKS) 7.62x51mm (7.62NATO also known as .308Win) (AR10, M240B, etc) 7.62x54R (Mosin Nagant, Dragunov SVD, FPK Dragunov/PSL-54, PKM) 7.62x63mm (more commonly known as .30-06) (M1 Garand, 1903 Springfield, etc)

[@dmw282]

he actually just did a video on that, look at his recent videos. it has to do with the bolt face if i remember correctly. one thing you can do on top of what he put in that video is put some rubbing compound on a rag and attach it to a drill and really clean out the receiver super well.

[@OHMAudioChannel]

Love seeing the vapor trails going out to the gong.

[@SinginShooter]

Not sure of the exact term, but a barrel harmonic damper. It's supposed to change the harmonics of the barrel whip, resulting in different sized shot groups, depending on how heavy it is and where it's placed on the barrel.

[@garlicdemon1]

Personally, I am against changing a surplus firearm drastically, but I think the current set up of that mosin is actually quite neat. Though the paint can be done without. Loving how smooth that bolt action is.

[@39Thorns]

It would be interesting to know what, if any, upgrades were done to the trigger, barrel, action, etc. Also whether or not the barrel had a chance to cool down between groups, or it was all run hot. Still, good info, thanks. Still a bit confused about the rate of twist vs. bullet length and weight. Seems a longer bullet would be heavier, and this be able to take advantage of the higher twist rate. But here, 170-180 grain out-performs 203 grain. What am I not getting?

[@Cragified]

Eric, why did Mosin make the barrels so long back then do you think when these always perform so well when cut down? Even at 400 meters it's hitting great and even back then I doubt many wartime shots were done that far. Were they just going for maximum muzzle velocity from the charge?

[@macharleys72]

Awesome Mosin, great shooting too guys!

[@KurtOnoIR]

I tried a box of the Hornady 150 gr sst in my 91/30 with nothing done to it and they absolutely sucked. watching this has showed me " it's not what it says it will do, it's what it does". so I bought the largest selection I could find and tried everything thanks man. mines shooting best with the ppu 182 and s&b 180. after that surplus yugo seems pretty good.