Commlite vs Metabones- Worth saving $300???

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I share some thoughts on Commlite and Metabones adapters for Sony and MFT systems. The $75 Commlite adapter is certainly much easier on your wallet- does it provide the same level functionality as the Metabones? ? ?
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[@PhaseSkater]

wtf 600 bucks for an adapter? i could get an entry level 4k camera for that!!!!

[@JohnPham2015]

its a speedbooster adapter, it has a lens in it. Now you're going to say - WTF on a lens, well, some vendor speedbooster put a purple/blue-ish tinge on a photograph because they use cheap glass. Yes, there are different glass - good glass cost more.

[@vicentemarcha4810]

lol.....not any good ones

[@EnnTomi1]

why need speed boost glass when i already have my lens that use glasses i want !!!

[@JohnPham2015]

the speed booster also reduce the multiplier - so a 50mm instead become 80mm, a speedbooster reduce that to 52 or 53mm read the spec - speedbooster often is 0.8x

[@medokn99]

lmao

[@AgnostosGnostos]

The firmware of the Commlite adapter can be updated. Commlite has software for both Mac and PC. The adapter has to be attached to the camera and the camera has to be connected to a computer. The camera sees the adapter as a lens and the software tricks the camera in order to update the adapter. I don't know if that is safe for the camera. Commlite supports officially less lenses than metabones. Both are great for electronic aperture control and manual focusing. Metabones is faster with autofocus but for ordinary photography Commlite is adequately fast. Metabones version IV still costs 400$ Commlite can be found at 50$. The difference is huge.

[@jacobrobertdesio9265]

Achilleas Labrou, thanks for letting me know how to update the firmware!

[@CRUZROYHelicopters]

do you have a comlite, i just got a used a6000 body and and i have many canon ef-s lens, will it work well...thanks

[@AgnostosGnostos]

CRUZROY Helicopters I have the Comlite adapter. It has slow autofocus. If you can wait sometimes two to three seconds for autofocus comlite is good. I shoot mostly landscape photos or architectural photos. So fast autofocus isn't an issue for me. With daylight the autofocus is faster and with small than f/4 aperture the autofocus speed is good too. The comlite struggles with low light and big aperture. I don't have the metabones but I have the Sigma which costs around 150-200€. The Sigma MC-11 is fine with Sigma EF Mount lenses but can be used with Canon lenses too. It is better than Comlite.

[@BillyCosmosis]

Firmware?? Isn't the Commlite just a pass through connector like all the others? kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3S5lKJ8lL6Cj5I

[@Ansonandco]

do you ever see issues with transmitting image stabilization?

[@vonborgestad]

Commlite autofocus adapter EF-NEX works great on my sony nex 5t. My oldest canon lenses often gave me error when used on Canon EOS 5D m.3, but sony works better and never fails.

[@TheXentius]

Too many words,no real comparison!

[@thethirdman225]

What did you want to know. Except for the Speedbooster, the two adapters are just that - adapters. They are simple a tube and have no actual optical performance. He did show how much difference there was between the autofocus functions of the two adapters and that's probably as much as you need to know. Everything else comes down to the compatibility of your lens/camera combination. So if it's sharpness tests you're looking for, this isn't the place.

[@rohitshrivastava3228]

I have Nikon D3400. I have 2 Prime lenses - (1) Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35 mm f/1.8G Prime Lens (2) Nikon AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G Prime Lens. I want to get the result like a Full Frame Camera. Kindly provide me the answer of below Questions - What can I do to get the result matching Full frame DSLR? Exactly what equipment should I purchase? If there is any specific booster, please provide the exact name so that I can buy..

[@photorectoby]

You can get full frame looking results with your prime lenses and d3400 - you don't need to buy anything.

[@TancrediMorleo]

No sense Video! The Commlite isn't a speedbooster, it's a adapter, if you took a low budget speedbooster it'll have sense

[@highcastletechnology9048]

What is with all you people 'comparing' anything with glass without footage?

[@1dxmark297]

a7c metabones

[@sobanosilva8585]

I bought Commlite CM-AEF-MFT(B) Canon EF/EF-S Lens to Micro Four Thirds(MFT,M4/3) Electronic Autofocus Lens Adapter Mount Camera for Panasonic GH cameras - I had an 18-300mm for my Canon SL2 - connected to my G7 - autofocus does not work at all. Av and Tv work fine. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Some setting I need to change in my G7 to allow this adapter to work?

[@mikebreler9724]

It sounds like a promo for Metabones. People are trying to save money and you quickly seemed to brush off the comparison and got into up-selling to the even more expensive Metabones. Dave Dugdale did the same comparison and concluded the opposite just a couple months before you made this video. If you watch that one you will see actual meaningful comparisons instead of just opinion.

[@photorectoby]

I have shot with both and while I own the Sigma MC-11 and still use it today, the Metabones has greater compatibility with a greater amount of lenses. That's not an opinion - that's based on my testing for the 18 months before I made this video.

[@dalibormrkic7808]

EF to E Speedbooster can also be used on Sony APS-C E-mount camera; a6000, a5100, NEX-7, NEX-6, NEX-5T...

[@photorectoby]

+Dalibor Mrkic Thanks - I didn't make that very clear.

[@biscuitsalive]

Great comparisons, thanks. Can i ask what you would suggest in my case? I own the gh4 and a7s, and i own the metabones XL speedbooster already (and metabones for a7s) but i want to make my canon 70-200 2.8 IS II USM lens LONGER. So would i be better off buying a Canon 1.4X teleconverter? OR a normal ef-m43 Metabones smart adapter??? Obviously if i buy the TC i can have longer lens on both cameras, but my GH4 gets used more than A7s anyway... so maybe the M43 smart adaptor is the go. Thoughts?

[@photorectoby]

+biscuitsalive If mostly in good light I would just grab the M43 Smart adapter.

[@medallionmotionpictures]

Good day Not for sure if anyone asked. Regarding this lens adapter or any lens adapter for the matter. I have a first generation Canon XL1 lens it's a Canon video zoom lens AF and M zoom lens with options for optical stabilization on /off also ND filter on / off. zoom range is 5.5-88mm 1.6-2.6 What would be the results if this adapter would mount to my GH4? I'm currently researching now and when I find an answer I'll definitely post a how to hack a canon xl1 xl2 zoom lens to MFT cameras. Please advise. Atlanta GA USA

[@shortythepresident3913]

I AM NOT SPENDING $600.00 FOR A FUCKING ADAPTER. PERIOD.

[@kirostar12]

I will never replace my super small and light Canon SL1 Camera with unlimited buffer for JPEG photos with the fastest autofocus for photos and video . Fast enough for bird photography with my Canon 400mm lens. Even i got fast autofocus with Tamron 1.4 and 2x teleconverters attached to the camera. Yes I got 560mm and 800mm fast autofocus for photos and 1120mm autofocus for video. With the 1.6 cropping factor on the sensor i got 1792mm autofocus for video. You can buy the camera for $350-$400. And the camera work really well from 100-800 ISO. And Hey nobody shoot professional photos more than ISO 200 even with the best cameras in the world keep in mind. If you got extra money to spend buy whenever you wont that’s your money. The camera was not important factor when we talk about the best photos ever.

[@richiedasnerd]

Hi Toby. I now have the a7s II and don't know which Adapter to get and I really need your help. Would AF also be fine on the a7s like on the a7r? Normal Metabones or Speedbooster? Thank you for answer! :)

[@EnnTomi1]

why are adaptars never work as well as native mounts ???? is there chips inside them to do whatever the calculations ?

[@EnnTomi1]

yeah ,and why is that? why the algorithms are so secret?

[@EnnTomi1]

***** i totally would. besides, the price is similar from other brand, so your point ?

[@DmitryBrodsky007]

Toby are you going to also test fotodiox and viltrox Canon EF to Sony FE adapters? My Metabones IV T is going back to the store because it has problems with connecting to my A7R2 and I have read several reviews from others with same issues. Sounds like people have to try 2 or 3 samples of Metabones to get a good one. Commlite - I had zero problems with connections. Problem with Commlite: 50 1.2L and 85 1.2L Af is a no go on Commlite, and go on Metabones. But the bottom line are you going to test other bargain prices adapters like Fotodiox and viltrox? I've heard great things about fotodiox for example

[@photorectoby]

+Dmitry Brodsky Wow - exact opposite of my experience. The Viltrox I used briefly in Iceland and was not impressed - it worked well with canon 70-200 f/4 but other lenses had issues and build quality did not impress - but it was cheap. I will see if I can get a Fotodiox in here soon.

[@lsfmusic9842]

Hello, I need to know if Commlite works with Canon ef 70-200 2.8L USM.... I see it works with the IS version, but don't tell anything about this model. Thanks in advance

[@j.v.1493]

What about the light reeflection issues, using the commlite? I had very very bad reflections. My main reason to return it. Tested on A7ii / 24-70 2.8 / 50 1.4 canon

[@rwarendsz]

Speech in the beginning sounds to emotional ... but the overall presentation is good ....

[@elid377]

.I have a question. I have a Lumix G7 with14-140 lens. Now i want to get a speedboster, but i cant seem to find mft to mft speedboosters. Do they exist? how can I spped boost that 14-140 lens?

[@MrPhilbautista]

Nope. The whole purpose of a speedbooster is to allow you to use D/SLR lenses with a camera with a smaller sensor and negate the crop factor. I also thought of the same thing before but with EF lenses to EF mounts. Doesn't work that way. You need to work from a bigger lens mount to a smaller sensor. The reason it works with the Sony full frame sensors is that when shooting in 4k, the image crops into Super35, which is pretty much an APS-C size image. If you tried that trick with stills, the body would recognize the lens as a crop lens and would either have nasty vignetting or have a good image but cut out about a third or half the resolution.

[@CorvusWolf]

Hi, I have a GH5 and I just bought a 10-18mm canon, do you know if the commlite works well ?

[@muttermotion]

got my commlite adapter for my A7ii and works well.. yes all adapters i try at d store (before i pick commlite) are slowwww in autofocus .. :)

[@jalilkhance]

sir, its possible eos to samsung nx...plz

[@adriannowak6907]

they are really cool but also really overpriced

[@createdfilms]

hey photorec,... big fat,.. i need help,.. can you help me find a Speed Booster for my M50 and 80D,.. thanks bro

[@YenDiki]

My commlite adapter works slow, but well, but only in low light he gets a little bit "lazy". I just got it last week an the building quality is well made and good.

[@TheApp9]

Today this looks different, aren't? The Mark IV is that much better, that the AF seems to be useful. Thats what I heard. What do you say guys?

[@photorectoby]

+TheApp9 the Metabones does continue to receive updates and is the better option, but substantially more expensive. Another option is the Sigma adapted which a review of is coming very soon

[@TheApp9]

Thank you for the quick answer. So in the meantime Metabonex got an advantage due updates. Will give you a sub, so I do get informed about your Sigma adapter. Sounds interesting.....

[@agusdelorean]

Nice review! could you tell me if the Commlite adapter works with the Tokina AT-X Pro FX 16-28mm f/2.8 For Canon lens??

[@moritzritter2973]

yes i you a Sony a 6000 with the commlite and the Tonika 11-16. sometimes the apature sucks, but i dont think that the metabones would be better for my work, because i nearly ever Fokus manually. if you can live with some apature conecting Problems IT can be perfect.

[@rvkyu]

Bought CM-ENF-E1 PRO for my Sony A7ii last January. The AF worked well for a couple of months, just this week it stopped working. E-Mailed the company, no reply yet as of now.

[@photorectoby]

That's a bummer.

[@Bobster986]

Try setup in the GH4 menu the lens off function, it may work then.

[@CAJFaulky]

Know this sounds like a stupid question but will manual focus work on a 50mm stm with this adapter? Just at the moment it dosent on a 'dumb' adapter.

[@MrPhilbautista]

Yes. I have cheap smart adapters and manual focus works perfectly fine on all my lenses. I have Canon EF and EF-S mount lenses as well lenses from Tokina, Tamron and Sigma. AF sucks but manual focus works fine. Not all lenses have full time manual focus so you may have to switch the lens from AF to MF before you can focus manually. I don't use dumb adapters with AF lenses because I can't control the aperture with dumb adapters so I can't comment on those, but I have had no issues with the smart adapters I have.

[@ashwin3101934]

If I use adaptor on my Sony A7s camera to use my Canon lenses, will I get the Image size same as with adaptor and without adaptor..?

[@photorectoby]

+ashwin chande the adapter won't affect your field of view, the size of the output file might depending on what the other camera is.

[@jeffersonsantiago5567]

can these speedbooster work on my canon t5i? it makes an aps-c sensor work like a full frame doesn't it?

[@funtanktv1245]

Hello. Will the iris control work via Commlite eos-mft in sigma ef-s 18-35 1.8?

[@SMolurus]

Hi! Got another question for you. I know the battery life from Sony a7rII is short but can Sony fix that through a software update to improve the battery life? Like Fuji you know. They always release updates for their cameras and lenses. thx! sry about my english

[@photorectoby]

+Cat Chewer I imagine we will see some battery improvements, but I wouldn't count on it or expect anything major. Putting the camera in airplane mode really helps. I have some additional tips I will be sharing soon.

[@Vikingdescendent]

+Cat Chewer Not an issue. No matter what camera you use, you should always carry spare batteries.

[@MrTobamory]

Commlite seriously need to step up there Nikon mount failed badly and having no way to update it defeats the object, Metabones for me works perfectly..

[@photorectoby]

+MrTobamory The two commlite adapters I was sent SONY and Micro 4/3 are pretty sad. Really wish they were better. Metabones works but so $$$

[@Uscenes]

Damn, I thought I had found a new cheap wide angle option for the GH4. Thanks for the video, you have saved me buying a bad prodct.

[@JimboHamster]

+Uscenes relaxing videos did u find cheap wide angle for GH4?

[@Uscenes]

+Vugar Ashrafov I got the Panasonic 12-32mm pancake lens. I think it is 3.5 to 5.6, so not ideal for indoors, but fine for outdoors - which is what I need it for. It was just £108 new on eBay, separated from a kit. The 12mm makes a massive difference compared to the 14mm I had before. It is a great lens for the price, only downside is no focus ring. Might get the SLR Magic 10mm one day.

[@dlisboa]

Metabones Speedboosters are only available for mirrorless cameras, right? Because of the added flange distance, isn't it?

[@photorectoby]

+Daniel Lisboa Correct.

[@nikhildhar2010]

+PhotoRec Toby is there a Nikon DX lens to E Mount adapter that I can use on the a6000?

[@howardkahn717]

The commlite does not afford all the cameras auto focus abilities and other functions, the metabones does with restrictions, as all adopters ....Therefore, using adopters at this time in their developement is not recommended, save your money and invest in native lenses at this time.... REPLY

[@photorectoby]

Some adapters with some lenses now do really well - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIjPmaCCZ7OEjac

[@boatengephraim6399]

Hello , plse can you get me a link to tutorial for the effect you made the converters at the beginning , where the spin around buh the camera doesn't change

[@Ifindcosplay]

I had a Canon 17-40mm & a 50mm f1.8 with a Commlite and it was very disappointing AF on an A7II body. I was hoping to use some of the amazing canon glass on the camera, but it seems that there just isn't a good AF option for it. I kind of wish I would have waited to make the jump into the Sony market with the A7rII rather than the A7II

[@photorectoby]

+Judicator924 The a7rii really has improved AF with and without adapters. Otherwise you have a very nice camera that is much more affordable, leaves you room in the budget to buy a sony lens.

[@Ifindcosplay]

+PhotoRec Toby yeah I have actually got a few Rokinon manual focus lenses for portraits, they are amazing. I am really starting to see why so many ppl talk about spending the extra cash on lenses vs body.

[@Zwiesel66]

I am sorry, IMHO Metabones Adapter are massively overpriced. It is a piece of metal (there are no high quality lenses in it) with some electronic components and a pinch of reverse engineering - they do not use any unusual expensive materials like titan, magnesium either. For $400 I would at least expect an adapter, which works perfectly with any lens. I do not mind to pay a higher price for quality, but not for a "piece of metal" - remember what lenses you can buy for $400!

[@Chokoman55]

so what happens to a 11mm wide angle canon lens when i attach it to my mft camera using the metabone standard adapter ? will that give me a 11mm fov or still cropped with the usual mft crop factor ? best regards

[@photorectoby]

Still cropped - it's about a 2x crop so it becomes a 22mm.

[@DenisonPhotography]

Have you tested the a6000 with the 3.10 firmware update with the Fotodiox pro? I just ordered one so we will see how it goes. Enjoy your videos!

[@LJBB2000]

how did it go?

[@DenisonPhotography]

Not good. It was unusable for auto focus so I sent it back. I just picked up an a6300 and I love it!

[@joelisimeme858]

Quick question can on still use Nikon lenses on a Nikon APS-C Cameras?

[@tenteangeorge9359]

But can't you use Nikon lenses on these adapters?

[@jameswilson9011]

uhhh... if it doesn't have a lens it shouldn't cost $400....

[@TheResonating]

Question, though its rare, I've seen one guy post all over commlite reviews (has to be the same guy cause its always the same description and camera body) that it fried his lens chip. Can anyone testify their experience with commlite service in reaction to problems? Also, a guy did a video showing that his sigma lens broke after using the metabones IV. And metabones only reimbursed him for the adapter which I would find appalling and outrageous if their product did that to my gear. I'd be demanding pay for paying for a premium "quality built adapter." Now if there was a reason why metabones did this (for example: more to the story) I would understand. Is there anyone who has suggestions, other than using native lense (Which I don't want to do)? I would buy the commlite, but though people rave about commilte adapters, the company is china based (I believe) and has no facebook account.

[@MrPhilbautista]

I have a Viltrox f/booster, which is sort of like the metabones speedbooster. AF sucks but otherwise works fine. I've had it for over a year now (maybe 2?) and haven't encountered any issues but I don't abuse my gear so, there's that. I don't go attaching a Bigma and holding it by the body but have not had any problems with smaller lenses like the 24-105/4 IS or 70-200/4 (non-IS). Common sense should tell you which lenses you should be supporting full time. As far as performance goes, since there is an additional optic, expect sharpness to suffer a bit. I haven't tried the Metabones version so I don't know how their optics affects IQ. I think these sell for under $150.

[@paohenglalin7053]

i wish to see you test comlite adapter and metabone adapter with tamron 24-70 f2.8

[@photorectoby]

I have the Tamron 24-70 2.8 with the Metabones. It's OK, not terrible but not snappy either - Scott

[@JoeJacksonJr]

Buy Cheap, Buy Twice... ;-)

[@photorectoby]

+Joe's Photo & Video Blog True! We also call it the noob tax.

[@MrPhilbautista]

+Joe's Photo & Video Channel Lots of Metabones owners have issues with their adapters too. At least the Commlite owners who aren't happy with their copies are out for a lot less.

[@Charlie_wildlife_nature]

It would be good to combine with the a6000 or a6300 right ?

[@photorectoby]

+fedjy charles works much better on the A6300.

[@karmapolice3335]

wht abt zhongyi speedbooster?

[@andreadipa9969]

Good review! I have a question.. What's the crop on Panasonic gh4? I want use for Sigma 18-35 f.1.8

[@naysunhuang]

+Andrea Di Pasquale x2

[@NicolasGomez97]

+Andrea Di Pasquale With the speedbooster you can get the cropping factor down to APS-C sensor size, there are the .71 and .64 variants of the speedbooster which will give you a (2*.71) 1.42, (2*.64) 1.28 for stills and 1080p, or (2.3*.71) 1.63 and (2.3*.62) 1.43 crop factors in 4k. I'd get .64 if you want to record in 4k a lot but otherwise I'd get the .71 because with the .64 you'll get vignetting on non-full-frame lens when taking stills or non-4k video.

[@MegaYuzer]

is there any ef to ef speed booster?

[@Cyberwolf1592]

Where is the test footage?

[@activatehalo7763]

But would it work for the BMPCC?

[@jacobrobertdesio9265]

Activate Halo, yep it's a M43 mount

[@misterr2359]

Oh... dammit! I was so looking forward to watch you say that the Commlite was good.... =(. I'll probably want, in a future, buy some other lenses for my Sony (a6000) and the price of the Commlite was perfect!

[@photorectoby]

+Mister R I think people should try it - only $75 and you can always return.

[@misterr2359]

PhotoRec Toby Not that easy for me, living in Brazil. 75 dollars, right now, as bad as our economy is doing, is pretty much 280 reais (min. wage is 820), so I can't take that risk. Well, anyway, I won't need one now, so let's see how future editions do! Thank you, Toby. You always answer me and I appreciate that very much. Keep up the excellent work.

[@tengomalasuerte]

+Mister R I have Commlite to be mount in my A6000. I never tried other adaptor, but I use to use it with my EF40mm pancake, EF50mm 1.8ii and it usually takes forever to get focus in AF mode. However if you use it in MF with the peaking feature of A6000 which I really like (Why Canon doesn't have peaking or zebra functions?), then Commlite works good, giving you metering info to the camera. Is a quite like being in old-school photography doing the picture by hand. I think is fun anyway. When I need fast autofocusing I just use the lenses in the native Canon body. Regards

[@misterr2359]

tengomalasuerte Cool, but I need AF 70% of the time, so only having MF is a no go for me. Thanks!

[@interstink]

Also a cooler name... Metabones!

[@cg4unet]

Nice

[@sonvfave]

sorry but bad math there dude.. the lite cannot increase after its in the lens f 2.8 does not magically grow bigger again go back to basics....

[@PullMeUnder81]

+Matthew White Go read up on the metabones, yes it actually increases the light transmission (t stop).

[@sonvfave]

its semantics I realize now... its how the available light that enters and passes through is manipulated... Light is not added... What was said is that it increases light etc.. not good physics What is happening is a better use of the light ie more efficient, thus allowing for lower f stop experience, its all in the wording... sorry for being an Adem Henry here.. looks like a very cool item .. just a little pricy! more than the cost of my a6000! wowo

[@jacobrobertdesio9265]

Matthew White, it increases light hitting the sensor - it's not semantics

[@robbyboyo]

Cool review.

[@mrwashur1991]

Great review, way to just ramble on the whole time and show no examples..

[@alikareem6097]

thank you

[@thesuperhappinessenterpris5442]

can i use this on my sony a6000?

[@photorectoby]

+The Super Happiness Enterprise Yes.

[@jthommo101]

Af-c?

[@rasaknamthang8915]

just talking and talking

[@photorectoby]

just commenting and commenting ;)

[@OzzyMoto.]

Hey Toby are there any m4/3 adapters for fe or e mount lens?

[@lovesvensson]

+myrk98466 Why would you want that? The lenses would vingette like crazy

[@photorectoby]

+myrk98466 M4/3 is smaller than FE and even APS-C so it doesn't make sense to go that way.

[@OzzyMoto.]

+PhotoRec Toby I mean an adapter for the olympus em5ii so I can use fe or e mount lens. Not a m4/3 adapter for the sony camera.

[@photorectoby]

+myrk98466 Oops - Yes that makes much more sense. The answer though is no, not that I know of. Not enough E or FE lenses on the market for this to be viable. Sorry!

[@lovesvensson]

the falnge distance of Sony E mount is smaller than mft

[@mikerozman]

Great review. Thanks!

[@photorectoby]

+Mike Rozman Thanks!

[@YourOwnAdventure]

I would not consider the Commilite or any cheap adapter. I have tried two with my MTF BMPCC and none of them were supported but listed on the lenses compatibility.

[@davidrapant6398]

Well since all I have seen or heard about both of these adapters is that they suck....I'll save all that money and continue to manually focus my adapted lenses, which is no problem for me because I originally learned to take photos like that anyway.

[@jacobrobertdesio9265]

David Rapant, I've literally never heard the metabones sucks

[@KevinVelazquezAniPower]

canon lenses to a sony camera? ewwww

[@photorectoby]

Canon has fantastic lenses - many photographers and videographers already own - adapters make it possible to continue to use even if it isn't the best setup.

[@DJMatt39]

şecond

[@sredju]

why you talk so much?

[@photoscott9664]

+sredju That's his job