Common Timing Chain Issues with GM Ecotec Engines | Timing Chain Rattles and Codes timing chain

Hey Good People,
I got some good information for your learning about the common issues on the GM Eco Tech engines. They are notorious for timing chain failure.
In this video, I show you how to inspect and prevent catastrophic engine failure due to timing chain issues. These engines are interference engines, a d if they jump timing, they will bend valves.
I hope you learn something from this video. Enjoy and thanks for watching.
Your favorite Mechanic,
Alex
Instagram: alexthecardoctor
#gm #automotive #timingchain #ecotechengine #ecotech2liter gm motors

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

I was reading about this. Apparently, the newer engines are Direct Injection engines. When the engine is cold, and you run it for only short periods of time (less than 30 minutes) excess fuel is injected into the engine so it can run. That excess fuel does not always fully burn with the less time to combust. It leaves carbon which mixed into the oil. Lots of short trips in cold weather, more carbon. More carbon, the timing chain gets stretched as the distance between the pins on the chain is extended. Over 100,000 miles, that is a lot of stretching. Advice - mix in trips longer than 30 minutes every week. Also, oil you use should be API-SP certified or ILSC GF-6 oil as it can contain the carbon better (not perfectly, but enough to potentially reduce the timing chain stretch). I am hoping doing these things will allow my Buick Envison with a 2.0L Ecotec make it to at least 150,000 miles. However, I appreciate the tip to change the chain at 100,000 miles. I will do that as well.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Good advice as well buddy that may help a few people whoever comes across this thanks

[@DevJB]

All direct injection = Junk engine.

[@alfredhowe8217]

Dropped off my 2014 Equinox at the dealership for check engine light issues, they found that the timing chain was starting to make noise. It’s got 108,000 miles on the odometer has had oil changes with correct Dexos certified oil at 5,000 mile intervals. We had no oil consumption issues until it reached 100,000 miles,now we use about a quart of oil ever thousand miles. Since we plan to keep the car we’re having it repaired.

[@rocketrodlover]

Got 222,000 on my 2.4 in my 09 Pontiac G6. I Change oil every 5k with regular conventional. No issues. Amazing engine

[@mrmarcink1300]

There is no more "conventional" oil unless you mean not labeled synthetic? Any brand name oil that is API GF-6 or GF-6b has synthetic esters as additives which would make them "semi-synthetic" this would explain at least some of the longevity, the rest is the 5k intervals.

[@MrSenorhappy]

I have 353,000 miles on my 2004 saturn and have absolute zero issues. I have always ran synthetic and change it at 8k-9k miles

[@denniswhitman6527]

I have used Heli-Coil kits onto many vehicle parts including body, engine mounts and internal engine parts as well. I have even used Heli-Coils on the Cadilac 4100 engine which was popular in the 1980's. Since the block was aluminum, I used double 1/2" inserts on the main bearing journals. I never had one of them come back for that problem again. I did work on other issues with the same cars over the following several years. So I can safely say that the Heli-Coils work well providing you install them correctly.

[@AndrewBartram]

My wife has a Holden Malibu 2013(Australian rebadge) with the 2.4L engine that had timing chain failure first at 40000 miles(2018) and now again at 60000 miles(2024). Full service history, regular driving conditions. First one was covered under warranty, this one the dealership is being quite painful about it.

[@RichardBrown-bs5pg]

I have s 2012 equinox that went 73,000 miles before it jumped. Thank God it did, in the mechanics service bay at he turned the key. Minor damage to the valves was all that it did. Replaced the timing chain, guides and complete head. Running smooth.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Wow 70k, I’m glad you are back up and running

[@christophergraham9726]

What a lovely young man. taking time out to help others. Need more like him. God bless you Alex. Thank you.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks so much for kind words 🙏🏽

[@user-td8su7sz9z]

I agree, I'm a mechanic myself, and this dude seems very genuine and knowledgeable.. I'd take advice and work with him anytime

[@vkrvifjfjvgifyxhsjH]

Hi alex do you speak spanish ​@@AlexTheCarDoctor

[@jimsix9929]

Alex had some great advice on the ecotech engine, as a semi retired mechanic with lots of experience( I just cant give up my shop) the best advice I can give is do not wait until it stops running, a timing chain replacement is under 1,000, can be done in 2 or 3 days not the end of the world but bent valves could total your car

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks so much for your advice! I’m always open to learn! Definitely gonna use your experience and wisdom. Thanks again 👨🏽‍🔧

[@raypalermo1603]

At how many miles should they be changed?.

[@jimsix9929]

Ray it really depends on the oil, a car that gets a fast lube job every 7,000 could need a chain at 80K, if it is a neglected engine, like going over miles or cheap oil they can fail at 50K, use good synthetic 5w30 every 5K and it will last 200K, yes I said 5w30, the thin 5w20 is for fuel economy, not good for the engine, gas is cheaper than timing chains@@raypalermo1603

[@DevJB]

There is an upgraded 10mm hex bung cover bolt for the top guide hole, so you don't have to tap the hole at all. There is 3 upgrades to the primary tensioner. Cloyes timing chain guide in the front is responsible for breaking. The bolt hole tolerance is too thin. The guide rattles and breaks, especially in cold below zero weather while not properly warming the engine. Bad oil maintenance can contribute to it breaking faster but I've seen the front guide break multiple times in very well maintained 2.4 LE5's. Cloyes could upgrade the guide, there is enough room to expand the thickness of the top bolt hole, they could use better plastic, they could beef up the guide but they have not. I have emailed Cloyes with evidence and specs but they won't respond with any help whatsoever. Mellings can have my business.

[@dosgos]

Any special recommendations for parts preventative maintenance on a low mileage 2.4 LUK from 2013 that don't require a full timing chain job? Are there recommended upgraded parts or third-party parts for the full timing chain job?

[@michaelallen5505]

Dorman part 917-954 is a special bolt that threads into the access plug hole for the chain guide bolt. No need to repair the damaged threads on the inside. Saves a ton of time and money.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks so much buddy that will save my customers a ton $

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Dorman 🤔 of everything, I’m about to buy 10 of them thanks again

[@lamarcusbennett4738]

@ALEXTHECARDOTOR I’m a GM technician newly!!! I started from the bottom and worked my way up but I have a 2005 Chevy classic looks like a Malibu but I think the timing chain maybe my problem I heard rattling one time few days later bam no start and sounds like no compression I have another motor but I wanna be sure if a motor swap is needed

[@lamarcusbennett4738]

@@AlexTheCarDoctor where’s your shop bro

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

@@lamarcusbennett4738 1850 Joy Lake Road 30260

[@JerryJrsGarage]

Great video! Thanks! I’m going for new chain and water pump since I’m so deep into it anyway!

[@jimsix9929]

hey Alex, do not be afraid of thread inserts, the repair makes the part stronger than a new part, the best ones are from Howmet aerospace ( an Australian company), napa auto parts has them, helicoil is ok too, no big deal to install and nothing to worry about

[@user-td8su7sz9z]

You are absolutely right, I work at a machine shop, we use inserts all the time for repairs, they are better than the original thread..

[@jacoblininger9976]

Theres a dorman solution plug made specifically for that. Instead of the bolt that plug you take out acts as the bolts. Look up dorman solutions 2.4l timing chain guide plug

[@BellaRocko]

Lots of great information here. I didn't know some timing chain driven cars were so problematic. I wonder why Chevy went with the chain and not a belt on those cars. Thanks for sharing!

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

I was wondering the same thing! I actually got one in the shop now, with a broken timing chain that I’m going to do a video on soon. Stay tuned! And thanks for watching and interacting in the comments 🤗

[@BDauto86]

Unfortunately belts have pros and cons as well. They're more likely to stretch, teeth round off, or break then a chain is. Generally the problem isn't the chain itself it's usually the guides or the hydraulic tensioners. Low oil or lack of oil changes will cause these issues prematurely as well. I also see and deal with alot of ecotecs, most of the time I fix them unless too much damage has been done.

[@atx-cvpi_99]

Because GM had major issues with the timing belt engines. They failed before the interval for replacement.

[@Maria-hm4gc]

I think Gm should replace it this for free since it’s a big problem with those cars, I have a GMC Terrain, 90 thousand miles and already have to replace a timing Chain it cost me $1400, that’s sucks …

[@juancamaney3562]

@@Maria-hm4gc is that with parts and labor ?

[@appliancedude63]

Do you see the same problems with the 2.5 ecotech out of the Malibu? Mine sounds like a valve train noise but I haven't removed the valve cover yet yo inspect. Thanks

[@TK-ec5bv]

Great video. He's a great instructor...very patient and explains things clearly!

[@donmiles2900]

Great job Alex. Really helped me out!

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks buddy, I’m glad my video was Able to help you out man

[@rebuildit]

Very well explained sir. Nice job!

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks brother

[@leroystepp1628]

Hey ive got a 16 equinox 2.4 auto awd. Its showing 3 codes i think, p219a, p0420, p0014, p0013 which is mostly timing stuff, fuel air mix, exhaust. it runs great one trip next time splutters everywere with lose of power until get plugs burning hot or something. Ive definatly gotta get a new hose that goes to use to be a pcv on Valve cover. But can you tell me what i need to do the timing completeley. lifetime warranty parts i dont like when their cheap because it means ill still have to do it again. If you have time id like to know what to buy and a fair brand something to actually last. Also my engine had the tube stopped offf on engine so lots seals and gaskets leak. What seals and gaskets that wont come in a kit can i replace while tearing into that part of the engine and any other things you would suggest changing instead of what i said? Any seals i can get to def needs done. it has abt 200000. people complains abt the 2.4 but ive not had to do anything until now with a lil over 200. ours has been great and we live in the WV mountians so its been used well. I hope you can find the time, Thanks !!!

[@archangel3237]

Had a customer come in for an A/C top off today. Needed a VC gasket and I thought I heard some rattle so I sold him a tune up and V/C gasket. (Almost to the 97500mi spark plug interval and I was already gonna be in there) I pulled the V/C and there was about a centimeter and a half of clearance between the chain and the top guide. He'll be in monday for a timing chain, he's very happy I caught the chain before it trashed his engine.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

I’m glad to hear you saved a customer that’s what it’s all about man

[@archangel3237]

@@AlexTheCarDoctor just got the new chain kits in. The crank sprocket had been chainsawed in the plastic sections of it. Rotate the crank to the good half and chain was tight ish, bad half and it was the rope bridge from fionas castle in shrek 1.

[@maineman11]

I have an '05 Chevy Classic with the 2.2L. It has a 150K. I bought it used with 92K. So I guess I will remove the valve cover and inspect the chain. Thanks for posting the video Alex!

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks for watching 😎

[@sandyramirez4329]

Gracias por la información muy bien explicado. Gracias.

[@mikest.gelais8555]

I have a 2015 Chevy Malibu 2.5 eco code p0016 now to do the timing chain replacement can I just do a partial kit which is just one chain and the tensioners and stuff like that what do I have to do that secondary chain thank you shout out from New Hampshire 603 thanks for all the great knowledge

[@alybrown7199]

im changing the timng chain and sprockets on a 1.5 ecotech 2016-2023 malibu. do i also need to install a new oil pump chain since it will also ride on the new crankshaft sprocket?

[@gregburton3396]

Thanks for this video.. Great information.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

I’m glad you enjoyed it thanks for watching buddy

[@chrishans5629]

I’m in the process of replacing my head gasket on my 2.0L Malibu ltz turbo because it had coolant in the oil. Is there a tool to keep it from jumping time and getting it TDC! Before removing the cylinder block. Do you have any videos on this particular job on how to replace the head gaskets and timing chain. My car has 87,600 k so would changing the time while would be beneficial long term. I’m just not sure how to prevent it from jumping

[@gwayneroberts2867]

I have the 2.2 it jumped time but it didn't mess the lifters it jumped while I was cranking it do u think it's worth fixing cuz I really like sorta like the car it's an olds alero

[@user-yn4xq9cw9h]

So I have a 2002 Saturn l200. 2.2 ecotec. My car cranks but doesn't start. I feel it may be the fuel pump but not sure. It just shut off on me one day while driving. I've replaced the crank sensor checked spark plugs so that's all good. If it jumped time would I heat a noise or feel something. My motor doesn't act crazy still really quite but again it hasn't been able to start. I noticed that there isn't a lot of pressure when checking the gas pressure in the front of motor. From what I've sáid do you have an idea?? Thanks

[@RAWRMotorsports]

I've compared every chain I've removed to the new chain .. never once have I seen a stretched chain.. it's always the front guide broke and or phasers / solenoid problems .. I usually replace everything all at once .. chain , phasers , solenoids , guides , squirter , tensioner .. 🎉🎉

[@jkn111111]

I have a 2014 Chevy equinox. The timing chain guide on top broke and my timing chain ate a hole in my valve cover. Long story short replaced everything except the sprockets in a timing chain replacement and now I have a loud timing chain rattle on a cold start with rough idle after about 20-30 minutes of driving. If I pop it in to neutral it idles a little better but it idles much better if I just touch the gas a little. Any ideas? Edit: forgot to mention that if I let it continue to idle roughly it throws the code p228d which is a high fuel pressure regulator reading high fuel pressure it then goes in to limp mode and the stabilitrack turns off. It’s the only code that appears and I’ve replaced the fuel pressure regulator but with no difference in symptoms. The code will go away after a few starts and the check engine light disappears. I pulled the valve cover off and the timing chain is taught. I changed the vvt solenoids as well. I’m at a loss and I’m running out of money to throw at it!

[@drewromero3729]

got a 17 1.5 malibu did whole headgasket on it , made sure timing was lined up i put the cam at 12 o clock but when i did my first start engine would just crank and crank no start only start with brake cleaner . everytime i remove valve cover the reluctor moved . i got fuel pressure to low when cranking camshaft postion sensor code and mass air flow out of range . any ideas? i replaced those parts and still nothing same code

[@LexaniOrtiz]

Hey quick question was the car you showed in the end was that car making a rattling sound when you take off well acceleration higher rpm

[@stevenhaney575]

To replace that guide and the support bolt does the timing cover have to come off?

[@cameronereaux6872]

Are the 2.2 ecotecs better then the 2.4 because I have a 2009 Chevy cobalt with the 2.2 vvt ecotec engine?

[@sbond1963]

I just did a 2.2 Ecotec timing chain tensioner replacement. And I was able to get rid of that looseness by turning the cam gear in the direction of the new timing chains tensioner then activate. Problem solved. Rattle gone (after the first start )

[@michael-qp9xd]

Hello Bondo - read your comment. Sounds interesting. I have a turbo 2.0l ecotec solstice gxp and getting code p0016 for intake timing issue. Car with only 70,000 miles. One min car engine ok next on restart 5 min later engine running poor. Replace solinoids and sensors still with problem. Pulled off cover and chain is drooping between cam sprockets. U think could be just tensioner issue. Looks like on this engine tensioner is on left side. Could this tensioner be issue and could just unbolt current tensioner stud/spring unit and put in new one to take up slack? So then dont need to remove cylinder head and put in new chain?

[@garthbrania]

hey, have 2011 chevy equinox 2.4,heard noise, like loose chain, or something broke off, opened up and chain seems tight, nothing broken, but metal in vvt valves

[@flex1980254]

Hey Alex thanks for all you work, you helped me save some money on my 2005 magnum with replacing the water pump, now i am working on my daughter 2011 buick regal with the eco tec 2.0 engine. My problem is that her bank 2 camshaft sensor was bad and broke out the block and was pouring oil, i replaced the sensor but now the car only starts when that sensor is disconnected. When connected tge check engine light comes on but has no code, do you know whats causing this and if so how can i fix it? I did some research and have an idea but i want to know from a real expert of what it may b. Thanks for all that u do to help us all.

[@bgregg55]

I remember reading it was an issue with how the timing chain steel was heat-treated that's causing the chain-stretching problem.

[@Rob_Houser]

What could cause a tapping/clicking noise only when it's in reverse? I have this problem currently. Thanks.

[@A2J_Tim]

I did a repair on a grand am where that bolt walked out, I put it back in and about a year later we did the timing chain assembly and that bolt stayed in. The threads are not damaged, the bolt just vibrated out from factory torq being to low, thats my guess. If I were you I would repair that engine for your customer. Helicoil is a great product, I have used them for years, dont be afraid of thread repair.

[@naelhalabi762]

Hi , can you tell me if this problem still exist on newer models 2019 and 2020 where the 2.0 gasoline turbo engine puts out 260hp and some more torqe ( this motor exist in opel insignia 2017 to 2020) i guess it is also in the same model year at buick regal . Thank you very much

[@emerilderoman5462]

Can i replace the same timing belt they put it a year ago but the Guy got off so a jumped time can i readjusted with the same timing chain

[@user-yv7xt1jq7h]

Thank you. I have learned from you that my 2011 HHR at 131K miles is shot. Saved me a bunch of useless effort.

[@454bard]

Great info

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks for watching

[@lagrantwalker8354]

Quick question do all the 2.4 ecotec engine have the same engine block???

[@bdoggand5267]

Great Job Alex, very informative. Take Care Buddy

[@darylorage]

Hi Alex, thanks for the video. I have a 2007 2.2 with a broken chain. Is it reasonable to purchase a cylinder head from salvage then put on with new chain and guides?

[@madebydade305ify]

I would recommend that.

[@andresvega2182]

Hey I need your help ok my timing is on time but when I turn the crankshaft the timing chain dangles a little bit and my 3rd spark plug was drowned wit oil how can u help me on that need advise thanks

[@pablojrmunoz3048]

this problem happened to my truck (2010) equinox just this week truck died at a stop sign was told its timing chain i cranked it over but wont start obviously how can i tell if theres damage to t he engine trying to figure out if its worth putting a chain on it

[@user-rp3lh2rv7k]

Excellent Video! Thanks so much!

[@sewerratt47]

Car Dr. , does this happen all at once or gradually . What sounds to look for ?

[@cougar1968wy]

A very pleasant fellow. Thanks for making the video.

[@joeriver7994]

I'm wondering if you have come across and 2.4 engines that are stuck and if you have.....what was wrong when you tore them apart? ty and keep up the good work!!!!

[@gbrantner7382]

I have a 2011 Malibu. The timing chain went bad at 85,000 miles. The black guide was in several pieces when I took it out. The top guide was sheered off like the one you showed.

[@ericabertagnoli5469]

That’s a Chevy for you

[@ajose223w3]

How can I get the camshaft to the low spot for a high pressure fuel pump? Manually

[@thegonz7833]

Liked your vid and subbed, I appreciate your chill personality. Just bought 2015 equinox 2.4, the seller said it ran when he parked it but rattled. He had a shop put a chain kit at 116k now at 140k , I just looked at his last bill, it said in for no start, i never didn't try to start I pulled off VC and bottom chain cover. The right side black guide bottom broken.Upper most guide gone. Timing marks at the VVT look to be off. All the roller followers seem to be in place. About to go look to see if the bolt has come out. Any advice I would appreciate. Thank you.

[@brenthann2623]

good video. keep up the good work.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks buddy

[@mrmarcink1300]

I heli-coiled one for a customer with a waiver due to financial constraints. I used a coil with red loctite and let it cure for a few hours before reassembly. Has gone over 60k since and no issues (yet). Not the right way by any means but this was explained to the customer and agreed was a good solution considering her financial situation at the time.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Oh absolutely, but I always seem to get the knucklehead customers where I try to help them, I explain all the risks and they still get mad if and when it doesn’t work out as if I didn’t explain everything to them 😔

[@mrmarcink1300]

I get it, it's happened to me before. I've come to understand that the customer is not mad at me per se, they are just upset that their car is broken and costs a lot to fix. Always put yourself in their shoes, empathize with them and tell them you will do what you can. They already knew they were taking a chance so there is no need to point it out. Just de-escalate and take care of them. They will get over it.@@AlexTheCarDoctor

[@DJR5280]

Alex, 2011 Malibu LE5 question. The car idles rough in drive and reverse. Smooth in park or neutral. Changed plugs, cleaned throttle body and MAF and is still happening. Have you seen this before.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Hey there buddy you may have bad engine mounts. If there is no check engine light on it’s a high chance it’s the engine mounts

[@notme8121]

I strongly think that using a tread insert would fix and resolve the problem because once fixed the hole diameter in the aluminum is larger and stronger than when it was made. I kinda feel that all threaded holes in aluminum should have steel inserts from the factory since they would be stronger and reduce the seizing that steel bolts do in aluminum. of course I dont expect the factory to add all that work and expense just to save us trouble. so, are those motors pretty good other than that issue ?

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

I totally agree! They make a Dorman plug that works great! I’ve been using them and they’ve been working out. Yes, other than that these motors are pretty good!

[@MasterTechLou]

keep up the good work, Lou

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks Lou!

[@Chicagooooo]

I have a Chevy Malibu it recently stopped on the road today . A few months ago my mechanic said I needed a new timing chain. Do you think my car is finished or do I still got hop fixing it ?

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Hey there I can’t really make that call without seeing it for myself. follow my instructions in this video and you should be able to diagnose it yourself if the valves are met you would need another motor/Head job and at that point yes if the car is not sentimental and have very high miles you may wanna depart with it

[@markkraus5718]

I'm starting to see some problems with my 2.4L in my Buick Verano at 83K. When oil is low, it has symptoms. Filling the oil to top seems to quiet things down. But I suspect I'm due soon for a timing system replacement job.

[@timholloway8821]

Man they quoted me $3,200

[@xeloniousferrell8773]

I had a 2008 Malibu I recently traded in, it had over 200 thousand miles , I never had a problem with the timing chain before I traded it in

[@flierbill]

I have done everything I can, to find the misfire, ECM, Coil pack , plugs, leak down test . My timing chain has slack, can that cause the misfire? before I replace the timing chain with a whole kit. the timing has not jumped time yet.

[@garybronson5338]

My cam gear marks don't line up when on TDC. How do I remedy that without damaging anything. I'm doing a complete timing chain replacement

[@nathanielbailey108]

When mounted to a Solstice or sky, the thermostat is very had to get to. When mounted to a Solstice or sky in the turbo format, the waterpump is also very hard to get to. These are the only two issues besides that bolt that I know of on his engine.

[@juggernaut8647]

How long do you have to drive it before the damage is catastrophic?

[@McGarveyton]

I know this is late but I trust thread inserts like helicoil...I've used them on my old Muncie 4spd aluminum housing and it hasn't had any issues.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

When he comes to customer cars I don’t trust it if it was my car I would use it in a heartbeat I’m frugal /Cheap

[@WESTVIRGINIAOUTSIDER]

im javing same issue roght now on .y 2011 chevy malibu LT with 81110 miles on engine light is on and wont clear off thowing codes POO16 AND POO17 intake and exhaust corelation code i changed them out and engine light still on wont clear off with my engine scanner and noise from engine sounds like a tiny garm tracktor any ideas what moght be ??? i do have timming chain set ordered

[@WESTVIRGINIAOUTSIDER]

its on a 2.4 echo tech motor

[@phantomnation8101]

My 06 2.2L Saturn ion is having the same problem with going limp while driving and at low idle. It’s at 180,000 miles and I can almost guarantee that it’s never had the timing chain kit replaced, is it worth a shot to try to replace? Would it even help?

[@__NJ__]

Did you get it changed and did it help ?

[@cliffp2490]

With your experience with these 2.4l eco tech motors and dealing with timing issues, how often have you ran into the problem being the reluctor shifting on the cam shaft?

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

I have not ran into that issue yet,I work on a lot of these engines and can say they keep me in business just like the Chrysler 3.6 Penta star

[@cliffp2490]

@@AlexTheCarDoctor I’m trying to determine if that is the issue I have now. I have a copy of the bulletin from gm regarding it, I just don’t know how to add a copy/pic on here to send it to you.

[@DevJB]

Usually it's the Intake phaser that goes bad, for top side. Or the hydraulic lash adjusters HLA's, Cam sensors or VVT solenoids. Front side is usually front cloyes guide broken and leaking throttle body or bad TB connector or rotting ECM. Back side is usually the primary tensioner failed. Bottom side doesn't have many issues except for the oil pickup tube will get restricted if a guide has broken; the engine will need yanked and taken apart for cleaning or the oil system will be faulty and possibly cause chain slack soon after repair because restriction or pressure blockage for hydraulic tensioners and HLA's to work properly. With restriction or bad oil, the chain gets slack and the front guide will rattle worse, which will cause it to fail much faster than it normally rattles.

[@cliffp2490]

Your explanation of the issues with these motors is DA SH_T !!!!!! I wish I would have seen this video 5000 miles ago. I’m literally going to show this video to my mechanic. Im also going to watch it about 3 or 4 or 5 more times myself also. Have you ever run into the issue of the camshaft gear jumping time? I have replaced the timing chain, and the other chain ( that I can’t think of the name of right now) camshaft sensors, and crankshaft sensor, and both crankshaft position solenoids. My mechanic ( who had never done a timing chain on one of these engines) says that there was some release from gm saying that it’s possible that the gear on the camshaft has become loose and gotten out of position. I also go to search to see if you have any more videos regarding the 2.4L motor and timing chain issues. Feel free to send me a link if you do.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Hey there buddy I’m glad you enjoyed the vid man I have like 3 off those engine in the shop with timing chain problem this week SMH 🤦🏽‍♂️ I’m going to do a video of me changing one.the only way the cam gear can come loose is if you did not torque it down properly or made a mistake and left it loose, I never seen an issue with them just coming apart by themselves and I see a lot of this engines on the daily. In my opinion he should’ve never been experimenting with your vehicle unless he warned you something can go wrong because I’ve never done this before. Lots of people don’t know these engines are interference engines and if the timing chain is not put on properly or if it jumps timing you will damage internal engine components. Thanks for watching I really appreciate your support

[@cliffp2490]

@@AlexTheCarDoctor so when the mechanic says, “ he has a bulletin put out by gm regarding the the chain sprocket for the timing chain that is located on the camshaft moving) is he blowing smoke up my butt because he’s out of his league or does that really happen sometimes?

[@cliffp2490]

Are the marks on the sprockets matching up with the chain at the proper positions the main way to tell if the engine has jumped time? If the engine has jumped time does it run great sometimes and then other times won’t start?

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

@@cliffp2490 most likely. I always say show me what you are looking at.on that engine you have a cam phasers/cam gear they will go out and have movement he may be talking about that but as far as the cam gear bolt that holds it to the camshaft coming loose is not likely unless stated before

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

People will make up anything to get out of something not saying that about your mechanic, I’m just taking in general I’m pretty sure he is a good mechanic

[@mindgrindhustlellc9531]

I'm glad to have run across this video. I just got my car back from the dealership with this exact issue. I have a 2015 Chevy Equinox LT 2.4L. I had it towed back home today because they said it would take them 10 hrs to do the job and it would cost me $2100+ for them to fix it. I'm thinking maybe I should get another car. Or would it be better to fix it?

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Dang sorry to hear that. That is a common issue on the Equinoxes. It really depends on the mileage and the condition of the car. If it’s in great condition and reasonably low miles, I say keep it. If you get another car, you may be inheriting new problems with that one as well.

[@mindgrindhustlellc9531]

@@AlexTheCarDoctor Thank you for responding. It has approximately 114,400 miles on it.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

@@mindgrindhustlellc9531 my pleasure I try to get back to everyone,if I was you I will not take my car to the dealership most of the time they are very $ hungry. The first step is to find someone you trust as a mechanic.tip look up reviews that always help. I think the truck is worth it if you find a good mechanic

[@atx-cvpi_99]

Just get rid of it and buy a Toyota. These engines are junk. If it was burning excessive amounts of oil prior to the failure, it may need a new engine which is $3000 for a used engine and $4500 for a reman and that’s just the engine alone.

[@mindgrindhustlellc9531]

@@atx-cvpi_99 I got rid of it

[@paulmitchell3660]

Does the sprocket need to be lined up with a camshaft except for the very end? I had the special tool to line all that up which I have but I'm talking about the sprocket for the chain goes

[@paulmitchell3660]

I have a Sonic 2013 with a turbo engine in it. 2.4

[@joeblo9111]

i had the chain munch thru the top guide and valve cover.. pulled the cover off.. chain was taught at the top.. loose down by the crank sprocket to intake sprocket. broken forward guide.. . replaced forward and top guides.. patched valve cover hole from munch thru,, munched thru top guide AGAIN.. chain was still taught at top side.. what caused the munch thru of top guide and then valve cover? thanx!

[@gacevedo3960]

Hi I'm about to do a head gasket job on this motor 2.5 eco. I am curious if I could pull the intake manifold with the cylinder head or if I will have to remove the bottom bolt before I can remove it, thanks In advance

[@DevJB]

Which engine code, -LCV? Just making sure, lol. If it's LCV 2.5 ecotec, yes you will want to remove the fragile plastic (insulated) intake manifold and throttle body while doing head gasket. (also clean them.) There is 5 bolts at the intake manifold gasket *replace gasket*. There is a lower bolt and 2 others, 1 or 2 hoses and a connector plug if I recall correctly. If you don't have a manual, research online first. Look at pictures of the intake manifold box so you know where the bolts are located before you begin. etc. ; ) If you do take the head off with the intake manifold attached. There is 95% chance the intake will break when you work on the head or move it around shop.

[@gacevedo3960]

@Dev JB I don't have a manual, and I have been trying to find any type of information on the procedure but have had no luck mostly just removal of cam tower guard ( valve cover ) and timing chain replacement videos everything else is about the 2.4l eco tec motor which are different. It does have the 5 bolts on top and one underneath. I was wondering if I could pull it out with the head and remove it after. I'm a big guy and I was told I would have to get under the car to remove bottom bolts which wouldnt be a problem if I could fit lol. I have it jacked up now but barely fit to remove the oil from the oil pan

[@FOCUSPRODUCTIONSUS]

Would you change the watter pump timing chain as well ?? If so what brand would you use??

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Hey there yes I recommend the water pump.I use the Cloyes brand timing kit

[@garyesada5766]

Are there warning signs. Does it rattle a lot or does it rattle a little on cold starts? My 2010 Chevy HHR 2.4L rattles a little on cold starts.

[@eduardojuarez-martinez9966]

My wife’s 2013 Equinox has that noise coming from the timing chain I believe. It has 120k miles. Is it worth fixing it or getting a new engine? How much would it cost to fix the timing chain? How much estimate of putting a new motor? Let me know please 👍🏼

[@UrielX1212]

With 120K, just get the chain replaced. Will be alot cheaper. However, I have heard horror stories about Ecotecs in Equinoxs and the oil consumption rate.

[@mastermechanicfelipe4641]

Working on a 2009 cobalt with a p0016 replaced timing chain and tensioner did not replace vvt sprockets, car idles shoppy, same code and runs the same after repair, Help! 2.2 vvt ecotec

[@Mrneal1027]

By the way this video that got me off the fence to subscribe great video and talk that talk

[@michael-qp9xd]

Hi Alex - have a solstice turbo 2.0l and pulled valve cover and chain drooping between sprockets. This after replacing solinoids and cam sensors with this not correcting problems. Car only 70,000 miles. Is idling ok but still getting message “power reduced” on dash message unit and getting code p0016 for issue of intake timing. Could maybe just be failed tensioner spring and dont need to remover cylinder head to put in new chain and tensioner? Can put in new tensioner spring unit from side to take up slack? If not what would you charge for replacement of chain? Would need to replace to the tensioner pad and other parts? Thanks for any update here?

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Hey there, wow only 70k,the head doesn’t have to come off for this job.i recommend replacing everything that’s the tensioner‘s in the chain anytime it slacks up like that it puts stress on the components and it’s best to replace them all. I have a video showing how to do the job if I remember correctly it’s not a bad job on your model, my labor for something like this should be around 350 to 450, had to give a range because I don’t really deal with pricing anymore

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

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[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

It’s a different vehicle but it is the same process

[@juggernaut8647]

This just happened to my equinox three days ago….engine power loss warning on the dash then it just slugged out and cut off and haven’t been able to even start the car since but im not sure if the chain caused bent valves yet because it just happened

[@andreacollier454]

thanks Alex, keep up the good work!!! David, i'm in Fl. wheere are you?

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Hey there buddy thanks for the encouragement, i’m from Atlanta Georgia my shop is located in Forest Park GA

[@joelgervais6819]

Yup, drill a hole and add a threaded insert. New timing kit and back on the road. That’s how we do. Heck we’ve even spot welded the bolt for good measure.

[@notme8121]

hey thanks man, i have 135k on mine. i feel like going out to check it this weekend. thanks for the good info. if the guide is ok can i just replace the tensioner?

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

I recommend replacing them together always.

[@chrisbradford5893]

What about using blue or orange loctite on that guide bolt? Or is the problem, the length of theeads?

[@madebydade305ify]

So would staying on top of oil changes prevent this problem?

[@rodneytillis3306]

it seems to me that all the toyota highlanders 2006 and above v6 3.5 gre engines leak at the timing chain cover and have to removed to repair this leak costly 3k + any reply will be of great help.

[@RAWRMotorsports]

I've also seen em jump time and NOT damage any valves .. lucky af

[@shutdown8947]

I hope that is what happened to my 2008 chevy malibu

[@4255Lee]

Alex I have a 2015 Chevy Malibu I replace the mass airflow sensor, O2 sensor, the foot pedal the throttlebody. So when I’m driving, it still has the stable track light come on. and the auto stop doesn’t come on no more.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Hey there buddy that can be a number of things let’s start with the code it’s throwing that will point us in the right direction

[@4255Lee]

The bad thing is it only has 93,000 miles

[@freddyg9026]

Abs sensor faulty or broken/loose wire

[@bencalloway3908]

I have the 2.4 ecotec engine in my Pontiac G6 . It has 157000 miles and runs great . It uses no oil at all.

[@brittneyalford9942]

Proud of u bro💜

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Thanks sis

[@randythomas2888]

🤓🔧👏💯👍🏻Great video, explanations & examples!🚙💨...😊📼

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Glad you liked it!

[@dannyc8617]

Hey man, thanks for the insight, I have a gen 1 2.2 in an 05 Cobalt, I replaced the tensioner with the latest part from delco. The engine runs great, but still noisey on a cold start. Do you think a tension guide could destroy the motor? The chain is tight, had the rocker covet off when I did the install. I am not going to do anything else to the timing set as it is just a winter beater, just a curiosity question for my knowledge, and piece of mind.

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

Hey buddy thanks for watching.it may be a tensioner like you said, it’s always important to change everything together but since it’s not an every day car it should be fine

[@archangel3237]

Noisy on a cold start is usually a vct actuator on the cam sprocket

[@dannyc8617]

@@archangel3237 Thank you for the insight, however this engine doesn't have variable valve timing, but the later versions do. It's been a while that it has been going on, but still runs very well, so I will just let it be until something happens.

[@DevJB]

@@dannyc8617 Some rattle for about 4 seconds or less is ok, while it is building oil pressure through all of the tiny galleys to hydraulic lash adjusters and both tensioners within these first 3 or 4 seconds. If it rattles while you're driving, letting off the gas and accelerating or coasting to a stop or at idle when warm. Then there may be an issue.

[@everythingisamazing2283]

My car is a Chrysler pentastar 3.6 when I star it I press the gas and had a loss of power and when it geta temperature does no want to start again just want and when is cold it starts again 😞please help

[@brandyrookey4813]

What codes usually pop up for the timing chain if it broke on a 2014 chevy equinox

[@AlexTheCarDoctor]

P0016 - Timing Correlation is the most common one if the timing chain has jumped.

[@got2getit204]

My 2014 has the 2.5 and I had to do the same thing but the whole side came off which made it easier to do without taking it out! But my sprockets went bad!