Company of heroes 1 vs Company of heroes 2: Comparing Relic's WW2 RTS games.

[@GnorriTV]

Hey guys, some corrections: - The Market Garden campaign takes place in the Netherlands, not in Belgium (Duh) - When I talked about the scrapped OKW feature of having less income I make it sound like it was scrapped in development but it was just removed in a later patch. - The lady at 24:36 is holding her Rifle upside down and I should have mentioned it because it's pretty funny. Sometimes you just gotta sit back and say "Good enough", you know? Also, again, make sure you check out Trauma A.D. if you like the music I use in my videos. (links in the description)

[@scsc9311]

Where are you from Gnorri? You sound like Dracula, blah, blah blah.

[@JuggernaurGearMK14]

Fun facts : company of heroes 1 has lot mod

[@ctrouble2309]

Between this and your H&D2 review, you've finally made some videos I've been looking all over youtube for. Thanks. Subbed for sure.

[@samargrewal929]

i think company of heroes 1 has a better campaign and company of heroes 2 has a batter multiplayer

[@Altnormality]

i think the 1st one is good for exploding stuff

[@samargrewal929]

@@Altnormality also the 1st one has better mod support

[@Altnormality]

@@samargrewal929 that was fast reply

[@agdgdgwngo]

Coh 1 Campaign and Nostalgia, CoH2 for the balance, gameplay mechanics and multiplayer. Also massive 3 hour skirmishes that go to single digit VPs, with no pop cap, higer resources and a mod that lets you pick 2 commanders...

[@30CZEchpoint]

Lmao that Gun jesus bit about sniper AT rifles was golden.

[@franceschik1]

38:00 È stato bellissimo quel tono di fierezza quando hai detto sturmpioneer. XDXD

[@GnorriTV]

mi è tornato in mente il techies sturmpioneer mentre leggevo lo script

[@franceschik1]

@@GnorriTV Sì, esatto! Anche a me! Agahagahagah. Quando schioccava le mine sotto le torri XD

[@aslag94]

Ian McCollum bit had me dying

[@conscript900]

Commedically i was just talking to my friend about these two games. Always felt 2 felt more "sportorised" in comparission to 1... 2 just never quite felt right. Theres things i definately like about 2 but somethings just dont feel right.

[@andrewd3525]

That was an awesome video! Thanks man! I love your sense of humor too

[@theotv5522]

The cold tech system was not fun because players have to camp around fires, and makes flanking in areas without cold weather support (like fires, buildings) too dangerous to worth the reward. Also I would like to add the theatre of war (specifically the Russian campaign which comes free with the game) is bugged, and after some google searches, it seems this is a consistent issue (some forums even dated back 7 years ago).

[@iwanttocomplain]

Yeah they dropped that amazing idea quietly didn’t they.

[@theotv5522]

@@iwanttocomplain It basucally forces every factions to play as the Brits: building campfires instead of simcity. Thus slows the game for no strategic value.

[@iwanttocomplain]

@@theotv5522 yeah CoH2 marked the point when the best RTS dev around changed management and fired all the staff who had spent the last ten years innovating and evolving the genre with community managers and ruined the goat rts with a tepid imitation.

[@daniellxnder]

32:29 is that a Katawa Shoujo passing time soundtrack...?

[@GnorriTV]

yes

[@Superschokokeks]

Ah Underrail Soundtrack. You shoud make a review of Underrail too!

[@GnorriTV]

That'd be tall order, that game is massive.

[@ngastakvakis4425]

Beautiful video well done.

[@valistrutu]

coh2 was free on steam ..i 0layed but i like more coh1

[@Benis6687]

COH1 sniper spam is mundo gay

[@connermiles7425]

Coh>Coh 2

[@mr.pilchard4548]

apex soviet strategy in 2020: Spam penals, then spam broken AF 120mm mortar apex soviet strategy in 2022: Spam penals, then spam broken AF 120mm mortar balance is a fkng joke

[@14energy]

COH1 blitzkrieg mod is still best of all

[@robmit1113]

I dialike the interface of coh2, main reason i don't play it

[@francis5284]

I do not find the units more lethal in coh1, i find the builder units complete garbage in coh1 compared to coh2, was this all changed in a patch since this video?

[@trabuco9]

CoH2 is a much more forgiving game from AT damage and unit health to Popcap not being tied to captured sectors.

[@francis5284]

@@trabuco9 well whats he talking about the builder units being Garbage in coh2?

[@trabuco9]

@@francis5284 I think it's due to flamers.

[@francis5284]

@@trabuco9 Even with Flamers, i still find the COH2 builders way better fighters

[@trabuco9]

@@francis5284 They can tank more damage for sure, but the flamer has better DPS and crits.

[@Basebollbatboy]

Good video. Interesting accent.

[@WyntersWay]

What's next? Im interested into this channel. :)

[@GnorriTV]

There's a movie I want to look at but it's a weird one so I'm not sure about it. We'll see

[@WyntersWay]

@@GnorriTV can't wait

[@TheVRResistance]

FOH, COUS OR Coos. You're welcome 👍🏼

[@larrycapija3752]

So in the end which is better?

[@trabuco9]

CoH1, go play it.

[@SpaceKnight105]

theres coh3!!!

[@GnorriTV]

saw that, it was a pleasant surprise but it's too early to have an opinion on it.

[@Marci-Ana-GMM]

Comissar of the eastern front mod in coh 1 worht it

[@mOZERixInstrumentals]

i just really hate how company of heroes 2 looks it's awefull, interface confuses me, i never understand why comanders were ever a thing i much prefere the coh 1 system but more on the looks, man the bases on coh 2 are SHIT EXTREME SHIT.

[@technicianunyielding8890]

Coh2 is better

[@TraumaAD]

[@MrNobody-zx4jz]

I dont understand why it doesnt work. I tried on a good gaming pc and on a shitty one, but is just the same, freezes and crashes, what a f idiotic stupid game.... I rarely had problems like these with CoH 1

[@MrNobody-zx4jz]

I would beat those guys from relic with their own hands... idiots!

[@GnorriTV]

Hey I'm not a troubleshooting expert but have you tried updating your drivers? Either way there's a 64 bit update on its way so that might fix some issues. Cheers.

[@minmean3016]

guess what, coh3 has non of the charm and all of the stinks

[@InFamou5Killer]

underrated coh video. best one i have seen on the differences between the 2

[@GnorriTV]

thanks, did my best

[@Superschokokeks]

Woah, youtube has now segmented timelines.. and you did the work to segment it.. Nice touch!

[@GnorriTV]

Yeah it's the chapter feature. I'm not completely sure if it's good tho, on one hand it helps navigating the video but on the other it kind of spoils what you'll be talking about.

[@Thomas-sk2vo]

COH1 is still the best

[@harryshuman9637]

That would explain why COH3 looks like COH1 remaster with a worse engine.

[@Thomas-sk2vo]

@@harryshuman9637 I totally agree! It looks awfully cartoonish

[@faydulaksono]

why?can you explain why coh 1 better than 2? thanks

[@harryshuman9637]

@@faydulaksono Oh boy, here we go: AI - In CoH 1 each person in the unit reacts to battle conditions independently and immediately, because of this the units behave extremely naturally. In CoH 2 the units behave in sync. It gets so bad, the individual troops' animations actually sync up and it looks like one of the later C&C games. The unit's reactions to fire are also extremely delayed. GUI - In CoH 1 the UI was minimalistic. It had very toned down color-scheme to keep you focused on the battlefield. The UI also didn't waste any space, and provided you with extra information which could potentially help you. For example it identified which modules on the vehicle were broken which allowed you to plan its usage accordingly. The UI also showed you the statistics of individual units, like damage and how many targets they killed. This allowed you to plan ahead and basically know what modifications are the best. In CoH 2 the statistics and vehicle damage info is gone. Instead we have a giant bar of unit's historical information that takes like 1/3 of the screen. That information is just crap that you normally would find in a booklet that came with a CD or a wikia, it carries no info about the unit's performance or status in the battle. Also, the GUI is very bright, makes it hard to focus, and worst of all instead of classic CoH fonts, they used fucking New Times Roman.... in Italics.... The game literally looks like a Beta. Hey at least they didn't use Comic Sans, right? The plot - In CoH 2 Germans are showed as good guys, while the Russians they invaded are shown as the antagonists. Basically CoH 2 is the result of Sega's purchase of the IP. They got the product in early stages of development, but didn't want to commit to fully realizing the product and spending any more money on it, so they forced Relic to release the product ASAP without bothering to finish it.

[@faydulaksono]

@@harryshuman9637 thank you very much 👍🏻

[@talknight2]

I've played 130 hours of CoH2 and still haven't managed to unlock a single new commander :P But it's OK, I like to play mods and a lot of them turn the commanders off entirely and replace them with another system.

[@agdgdgwngo]

in 1220 hours of gameplay I think I unlocked 3...

[@Kris-2]

My biggest problem with the single player of COH2 was that you could beat every mission with 3 units. Mortars, conscripts and an anti tank gun or two. You would soften up the enemy with mortars then zerg rush in your conscripts using the anti tank guns to deal with armour. There was never any need for anything more advanced because this would always work.

[@GnorriTV]

yeah, i cut a line from the review that went something like: "You have a choice between Sniper alley, MG avenue or tank street." Most missions where you have to attack something the enemy just sits there and takes your fire unless there's scripted counterattacks that can be stopped by one MG and one ATgun. Some of the later missions are fine though, like the Tiger hunting mission and the fortress assault. I believe the good missions where made earlier in development as proof of concept, I remember the Tiger hunting mission being played by journalists and was supposed to be an example of truesight in action.

[@nachyomoney3598]

That can be done in CoH 1 too as the Americans in the airborne spec.

[@XZagatoX]

Same with CoH 1 lol. What's your point?

[@durakeno5575]

I have both games. Got Coh 2 for free. Bought Coh1. I couldn't play coh2 more than 5 minutes lol. Something about it feels very static compared to CoH1

[@agdgdgwngo]

It took me a while to get used to but 2 is more fast paced. Only the Hard AI is ever worth playing against.

[@durakeno5575]

@@agdgdgwngo Not talking about the pace of games. It just feels like I'm playing with Toy tanks and Toy soldiers in CoH2.

[@jemoeder5819]

@@durakeno5575 seems to only get worse on COH3

[@johnnysolami]

I totally agree. CoH 1 is balanced, gameplay is more fun, UI looks better, my only complaint is that British infantry cost too much to deploy.

[@andrewd3525]

I totally agree! I quit COH2 in the campaign because like the video said there was just a bunch of bullshit defense missions that got old. The skirmish modes also felt like they were missing something that the first one had. I also got really overwhelmed by all the different commanders and upgrades

[@ACM1PT95]

My opinion: Graphics: Coh2 Gameplay and mechanics: Coh1 Doctrines and varieties: Coh1 Voice acting: Coh1 Campaign: Tie (both campaigns were great for me) Multiplayer: Tie Coop: Tie Best characters: Coh1 Difficulty: Coh2 was harder for me Visual effects: coh1 Sound effects: coh2 Detail and historical accuracy: Coh 1 by a long shot Best mods: Coh1 Maps: Tie Most memorable missions: coh1 (carentan, mortain, Caen counter offensive, wolhezee) Best Dlcs: coh1 (opposing fronts) Music : coh1 Faction design: coh1 (because they look more historical accurate especially with mods ) Cutscenes: coh2 Main menu: coh2 Best implement of strategy: coh 1 was more strategic overall for me Best scenario or war theatre: I personally found more interesting the eastern front from coh2 What I wish for the future: Pacific theatre of war

[@ThunderKat]

I played COH 2 campaign and was extremely short compare to what I remember from the first COH 1... Is this normal? Did they invest little effort for the single-player on the second title? Note: Those skirmish map vs AI doesn't count as part of the campaign, they have no special setup maps with trigger events and dialogs.

[@ReichLife]

You remember poorly. Original CoH has 15 missions long campaign, CoH2 has 14.

[@SagaciousNihilist]

@@ReichLife probably has the complete pack with opposing fronts and tales of valor.

[@Marci-Ana-GMM]

Comissar worth it 4 conscripts, in the eastern front mod.

[@mateusz.dobrowolski]

OMG, they really kick out the blizzards?! xD

[@kinggloria2975]

CoH imo i like western front than eastern

[@storyteller1309]

I really like the accent)

[@lordtomlluckrahthegreat9014]

7:59 I don't even know why they make you choose between three commanders even from the start of match when you can be at a disadvantage in the early game if you don't. I'm just only ever going to pick Osttruppen Doctrine anyways, so I'd rather not have to press the button to select it every time I start a match. Should have been like in DoW2, where you already start with a preselected hero, if you ask me.

[@lambdacode1503]

Bump

[@GnorriTV]

Bump

[@zlobaplays]

I really did watched the whole thing! Nice video

[@edvinass3804]

43:22 hidden and dangerous 2! What a great game, I loved it!

[@pisbi]

Nice one

[@celtoucan4956]

3:25 Katawa Shoujo reference??

[@celtoucan4956]

Omg he used passing of time too you're the best

[@agdgdgwngo]

Its weird that before playing Company of Heroes 1 again, I thought it was so much better than the 2nd.But recently revisiting CoH 1 it really, really doesn't hold up to my memory of it. Whether thats because of nostalgia (it's not, I play plenty of retro games) or because of how much 2 has improved over the years. I can't think of a more fun, well balanced RTS. I find the core mechanics of the COH2 to be very close to perfection. That said, the campaign is garbage whereas the first game has a lovely campaign, I have never bothered with "Theater of War". The commanders were a drawback as they were kind of P2W but there are a lot availble at first now. The intel bulletins thing is a cool mechnic ruined by some useless cards, ie for units that no longer exist.... Inexcusable IMO should be patched out but 8 years in I think that's unlikely.

[@TheOfficiaITristam]

I'm speculating that CoH 2 was more focused on the multiplayer aspect. That's probably why the campaign sucked (i never played coh 2 myself). I played plenty of Coh 1 multiplayer and suffered a lot of lag and people disconnecting their internet when losing and still getting a win.

[@Chernobypi67]

Better Coh1

[@ИзвинисьДурачок]

CoH1 is better.

[@bogdanvalentin977]

Nice video, I enjoyed it! Good work!

[@iwanttocomplain]

You missed how men get vet for receiving fire rather than getting kills. That changes the meta completely. Meaning you need to avoid engaging the enemy if you want to deny them vet. But in the end coh2 is really boring whereas coh1 is really exciting.

[@GhostStyle007]

Your comment doesnt seems to be logic "in coh1 veterency sustem you need to avoid fighting, so coh2 is boring" is it not supposed to be the opposite since attacking is more exciting?!

[@iwanttocomplain]

@@GhostStyle007 in coh2 you receive vet for taking damage, whereas in coh1 you only get vet for kills. So in coh2 a player might avoid attacking in order to deny the enemy the vet they would receive from taking damage even if they do not cause any damage.

[@GhostStyle007]

@@iwanttocomplain I already told you that what you just said was 100% wrong, in COH2 you get 75% by wounding/killing other units, and 25% by proximity+getting shot at. COH2 xp system is very deep, it also take in consideration the value of the unit you just killed (price+veterancy). Thats why if you watch ANY multiplayer game right now of COH2 from any streamer, you will just see that it's exactly the extreme opposite of "boring" since you literally want to start shooting as soon as the game start (to gain veterancy+commander xp) you should play COH 2 before commenting, otherways it's misleading to the viewers and a bad advertising for no reason... You know what? you are ALSO wrong concerning COH1, cause the veterancy gain by killing is only applied on US faction.

[@iwanttocomplain]

@@GhostStyle007 that makes me 75% wrong. If you get 25% from receiving fire. I assume it’s 25% of the amount you would gain if damaging an enemy. In coh1 only wermacht buy vet. The other factions need to rack up kills.

[@iwanttocomplain]

@@GhostStyle007 I’m sorry I find coh2 boring. It’s probably because I don’t know what the units are and most of the game is just infantry standing around or running around each other then retreating.