Comparing 'Similarity' of Tarkov VS ArenaBreakout

Comparing 'Similarity' of Tarkov VS ArenaBreakout
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00:18 Intro
00:43 Various Gun Reloading Animations
05:50 AK Handguard
06:50 G Phone
07:08 Checking Cookie Cutter Houses in Various Games
11:24 M4A1 Missing Model Part in Two Games
13:44 AK74 Sound Comparison in Two Games
15:25 Looting Sound in Two Games
16:00 Tarkov should Talk to Some Celebrities
16:31 Outro with Additional Thoughts
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[@SenatorBanana]

Tencent: Sorry BSG, we don't think the collaboration is going to work out. Thanks for all your intellectual property though.

[@DeRealNiko]

Arena breakout is truly Tarkov lite

[@leana339]

You mean the Quixel Assets that Tarkov didn't make themself?

[@robbytherob]

Yeah that’s true. I remember that deal was happening. Can’t believe they literally stole their assets dang

[@dabong420]

Next they'll be saying a b I stole the elite superspecial cookery knife​@@leana339

[@dabong420]

Bro, you're freaking chillino one can honestly look at these relatives and say, oh yeah, they're the same. Yeah, they're close. Because they're guns the same. The magazine's the same, the motion to change the magazine is the same. And has to be it's a mechanical device. But in almost everyone one of them's hand is someplace. The other one has both hands-on the gun or vice versa. There's not a lot of variation to something that's so mechanical. So just miss me with that garbage

[@mrquang11212]

That SKS was exactly like the old version on Tarkov

[@gmanoffury]

How would it be a stolen asset then if it was outdated and hasn't been used for years?

[@mrquang11212]

@@gmanoffury not exactly a year, the model has been changed since early this wipe because the Iron sight take too much of the screen and the weird reload animation. But it is the original asset from BSG, if you take stuff without even asking for permission then it is stealing

[@xanorth6712]

The problem I have isn't that one or two things are similiar, it is that so many things are too close together that the argument its ripping off tarkov is clear. Many games will have multiple difference in the same gun, making it stand out more from previous games or competitors. This is more obvious than any other direct comparison.

[@johnrodriguez7464]

Most games arent trying to replicate the guns to the T. Call of Duty takes alot of liberties with the guns to the point that they often times have alot of them wrong.

[@xanorth6712]

@@johnrodriguez7464 I'm not sure if you're defending ABI or Tarkov, but I do agreee many games aren't necessarily making guns a 1:1 copy, the problem is ABI has a lot of guns that are almost the exact same in animation, model and texture to tarkov. Hell even the SKS is very close to the old tarkov reload animation. Too many things look the same, its easier to believe ABI is ripping content from tarkov.

[@mrphoenix5951]

@@xanorth6712 even sounds are stolen from tarkov

[@Mr.LeoNov]

​@@mrphoenix5951yeah like all the AKs

[@xanorth6712]

@@mrphoenix5951 oh yes i'm aware of that too, that adds more reason to believe the game is clearly asset stealing. So many things are close together, if it was a different game built from the ground up, even if inspired by tarkov, we would be seeing more differences in the gun designs.

[@noden2268]

ARMA and DAYZ are from the same developer, it makes sense to be similar.

[@ulpsb]

But they are both the same company. Bohemia is behind arma and dayz. So that's a different situation. But I'm all for abi rn

[@spaace8960]

Dayz was a mod for arma, that became a stand alone. most of dayz is from the arma mod

[@caesurabreak3528]

If im not mistaken, bohemia hired the modders to make dayz an official game. Dayz was an arma mod for the longest time, so i dont think this is comparable

[@almightyIrie]

@@demonicsquid7217 that. Makes 100% total sense for these 2 buildings to be the same because of that alone. EfT and ABI? Different story...

[@shanbannan17]

@@ulpsb i hop you do understand that this abi game will be insane p2w you can buy all gear ammo everything for real cash

[@ascend2046]

it feels like the animations weren't necessarily taken from eft directly, rather they were "traced" meaning the devs of ABI looked at every frame of the guns in eft and recreated it closely

[@nathanmitchell7961]

Yep

[@vsmaster6162]

what??

[@nathanmitchell7961]

@@vsmaster6162 Animations were traced like a drawing

[@kb2476]

you wouldnt be able to trace it with such precision... it a copy paste with changes

[@nathanmitchell7961]

@@kb2476 Wait, thats an interesting point. Maybe they did copy but put touches on it after

[@zer0synd1cate]

A lot of people are really missing the point and just dismiss this with "they can't be copied because they're from real life" like it didn't still take an artist time and effort to create those assets, lol. Yes, the AK's handguard is a real object, but what are the chances that two unrelated artists in isolation create the same mesh with identical textures, down to the individual scratches and imperfections in the same spots? Yes, both animations are based on a real technique, but what are the chances that two animators will create two animations with identical posing, reactions, timing, etc.?

[@ratattackgaming]

Go look at wireframe vs wireframe. They made every single gun and part separate and as close as possible. But there is very clear differences in models where they made it there selves to try to be as close as possible

[@fabulouskhro4847]

Who cares ,infinite is doing a better job anyways and on steam 🎉

[@clalam5241]

Ok bsg should take them to court . Doesnt change the fact that arena breakout is fun

[@fabulouskhro4847]

@@clalam5241 they can't literally lmao

[@ratattackgaming]

@@clalam5241 it's been proven by Nikita on accident that all the models were hand made.. every single wireframe he shows, he took the picture at a perfect angle as to no show as many differences as possible.. but guess what.. they are 100% different wireframe and models and they are higher quality than BSG... Good luck proving nothing 😂😂

[@marstoj]

All of the clips are slowed to fit the reload time for both

[@KiddBuu_]

also, ABI's recoil is straight up Tarkov's old recoil. It even has the barrel flip.

[@robbytherob]

Yeah looks like Tencent stole an old version of the game when they were working out a deal. My guess is someone leaked the code and sold it to an insider. There’s definitely more to this story

[@JakeEatNow]

That’s a bummer cause I hate Tarkovs old gunplay

[@Mr.LeoNov]

​@@JakeEatNowsame here

[@YakatoSan]

The jump to PUBG completely overwhelmed with where to drop just to look for the house made me die in laughing

[@YTGregfield]

You know, had Nikitia not repeatedly spit into my eyes for the better part of 5 years just to tell me to shove it when my money stopped flowing through I might have felt a little bad for BSG over this, but considering the customers had to suck it up and deal with it (constant bugs, cheaters, never ending demand for money, negligence towards the community, lies, misinformation, weekly runarounds to buy time, gas-lighting, prodding the unhappy customers) I'd really say it sucks to suck BSG, sucks to suck.

[@Romey1son]

we aren't even talking about that. Go buy some kits and a battle pass in arena.

[@JustASuscriber]

@@Romey1son Keep on sucking on Nikita, bro.

[@Swoiny]

@@Romey1son you can go and spend hundreds on tarkov instead, it's called unheard edition because we are all moving to arena

[@Romey1son]

@@Swoiny I got Eod and I have 1600 hours, never will have to buy pre made kits or secure containers you can only get spend money, battle passes where they give you crap you can find in raid, worthless currency you spend real money on to buy another currency. It's not a hardcore game like tarkov, it's a mobile game a kid can play.

[@heypistolero]

Same boat. I feel like Arena is obviously in the wrong, but I'm not going to defend BSG. Oh well!

[@Sireristof1332]

just two countries that dont care about any copyright or whatsoever so have fun accusing each other and absolutely nothing happening, i just enjoy the 🍿 cuz its hilarious

[@digitalesthetics]

What do you mean? BSG have built their whole 3D library and Arena have just copied it over. One weapon model can take weeks to do. Who have BSG copied you say? Oh oh the weapon manufacturers? That all are producing the same guns? 🤣

[@TerraEight]

@@digitalesthetics you do realize that the weapons weren't "modelled" but 3D scanned by Quixel

[@unaif.2171]

​@@digitalestheticsIm sorry you feel that way.

[@AfkaSound]

First time i looted a case in ABI it was like a slap in the face its so obvious its the exact same. Pretty Damning.

[@CanofSprats]

that shit is shameless

[@eddyray-yb6ig]

nikita invented gun reloads

[@Deathstro]

@@eddyray-yb6ig bro please stop you look like a moron

[@eddyray-yb6ig]

nikita invented the ak handguard

[@F1zzzy90]

@@eddyray-yb6ig The reload animations I can forgive. But the AK handguard? Bruh. Every handguard's wooden texture is different and unique. For them to look IDENTICAL is so blatant it's not even funny

[@Zetslev]

​@@eddyray-yb6ig Did you only watch the gun reloads? There is more than that, buddy.

[@vikingbrigs36]

I feel like ABI saw that EFT had made a mistake in its release of the Unheard Edition and didn't have all their assets ready for the game. To speed it up, they took the EFT assets with plans to slowly change them over time so they weren't copy and paste, but they wanted to capitalize on a bad call and absorb some of the player base.

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Well all these assets and animations were already in mobile version since day one, and this one is not a closed beta

[@headownMH]

i mean, there's only SO many ways you can operate and reload a weapon in a realistic/believable way unless they were going for something completely silly, in my opinion being similar it's no big deal

[@antecboy]

When I originally saw AB gameplay footage and didn't know about the game at that point, my first reaction was "did tarkov update their UI?", because everything was just about the same, but all items had their 3d model shown in the inventory and everything also looked so similiar

[@D2_Papaya]

to be fair its manual of arms, its literally all meant to be the same, same as someone typically opens a door the same way. PS the fingers opening before putting the mag inside the pistol is not a tick, a lot of people do that if they have big hands or the gun is small, they need to do that to have enough clearance to slide and lock the mag in fully.

[@kofskii6215]

the suppressed 545 ak's sounded almost exactly the same when i first heard ABI but the unsup pitch sounds a bit different, idk if its comtacs that change it or indoor/outdoor is the difference maker

[@chicken5038]

I believe the fact it was gonna be a spinoff. There is so much that is too similar much like how a lot of the same bugs are in arena breakout which makes me think they started with code bsg gave.

[@deathnz1]

On the house side I did remember Arma had one (dayz uses same asset just updated a bit). I believe its a common style of soviet house overall. But ABI's copies the exact inside basically, stairs in the middle which I don't remember DayZ or any other game ever having.

[@brandeno6924]

Comparing both of these games to other first person shooters would add a lot more context I guarantee both dev teams were just watching YT vids on how to reload ” ___” gun as a reference for modeling their animations. Every game that posits itself as a somewhat realistic shooter will have similar animations and animation speeds

[@TeaAddict141]

Bait used to be real

[@duhmeister]

So many bots in this comment section smh

[@Badhero4]

That’s all social media is, bots. The internet is fake.

[@CaDzA818]

Who cares, F Nikitas Unhinged edition.

[@dapandamau5]

Wanna buy viewers?

[@divizia7565]

I'm 100% sure Abi paid bots comments , so many 1 to 1 comments on all streamers lives , and youtube videos , praising with the same words the game , talking about what they cant wait to see and explaining features I comments... same comments different users ... bot army for abi for sure

[@Badhero4]

@@divizia7565 I mean it's a Chinese game so...

[@hito1988]

the problem with that is that this is the common way to reload each of these guns, so even if they are 1:1 the same, someone could argue "we just did a normal reloading animation like its intended for this kind of gun". as long they dont add some fancy stuff like the un-chambering and have a nice bullet-catch animation its hard to justify plagiartism. yea i can see all the similarities but nikita will have a hard fight getting this through copyright law.

[@aiirmax7800]

bro there are hundreds of games featuring the AK74 for example and ppl never complained about animations being suspiciously similar before

[@romankonyshev8498]

Check out stalker gunslinger mod animations. Even with similar weapons you could make totally different animations if you can/want

[@That1Historian]

​@@aiirmax7800Because they were rarely similar, you could always tell which was which

[@robbytherob]

The fact that the sound queues are the same is a dead giveaway

[@hito1988]

@@robbytherob people forget that BSG has an entire team behind the sound work, they recorded all the guns in real time (there is documentaries about that on YT) so if the chinese devs did the same, their outcome would be 90% the same except for the "tweaks" each dev team would do.. same for the 3d models and their scanning (pointing towards people accusing BSG to have bought the khukuri asset instead of 3d scanning it)

[@M1XEDBAG]

wait... are they slowing down both animations or just the AB animations? Cuz to me, when I watch people play AB it looks like the weapons reload faster imo

[@hiiambarney4489]

No matter what you think about Tarkov from Nikita's actions and what not, recently... This is unacceptable. The fact that I can see Tencent trying to buyout Tarkov and they didn't comply so they just ripped everything from Tarkov and get hailed for it as a plausible theory is just disgusting.

[@rymd1875]

Yes, the fact that people are trying to justify theft is disgusting, these are the same people that would burn another developer at the stake for asset flipping, yet here we are seeing them justifying theft simply because it fits their agenda.

[@PePe_Paragon]

can we just admire Insurgency's audio design. Sexy 14:40

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Truuuuuuue, love this juicy spring sound 🔥🔥🔥

[@wtfdookiefpv]

one of API's character models look exactly like the actor Jon Bernthal

[@DeusMachina_EXE]

I mean, for gun reloads in a tactical fashion for a videogame. How many times can you reload the dun differently. And there was a fair bit of differences on each. Angles, timings, hand poses. Lots of little things add up. They may have referenced the reloads, but I think they are made from scratch.

[@Vanilieis]

Imagine ABI deciding to make a random guy make pew noises because they cant use the sounds of an actual gun.

[@ricericebaby_1660]

If I close my eyes and listen to a lot of ABI sound, I would think I am playing tarkov

[@macoray]

That mp5 animation is a clear file copy paste. I know animations, and you can't just make one with the exact same finger position without copying the files, and with the same timing too.

[@rozpu9001]

also - shape of the walls in house is not copyrighted. if there are different textures and prop placement in it u can b sued for it. it is called referencing in art. also - i personally do think that they copypasted most of tarkov. but personally i dont care. they repaired the game this way. bsg wont sue me so im not worried, and i have great time playing abi

[@jaybee9213]

Ok so... Is there another way to reload a gun like throw your magazine in the air then catch it with your hand then slap it in the gun?

[@krit6678]

I dont get how you fail to see the frame to frame 1:1 recreation of the animations or the audio qeues but pitched

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Now you're clearly playing dumb... You can't fail to see the exact same MOVEMENTS which ABI copied from EFT unless you don't have eyes

[@NoisR]

Bro the guy who showed the ak sound literally took the wrong ak. When he showed the clip from the trailer i thought about aks-74u cause thats the ak sound not the ak he showed

[@Giupeppe098]

In my opinion,i dont really care if they stole animations and assets,for me it just comes down to the gameplay. But i did find a lot of similarities with tarkov when i was playing the mobile version

[@rozpu9001]

are this handmade animations or some free animations from a copyright free stock like mixamo - thats my questions

[@femboyfennecgaming8919]

The thing is between Arma 2 and DayZ, is that DayZ was a mod for Arma 2 when it released. Of course its going to use the same assets because its a mod. Regarding the house. But when it comes to the house in Tarkov and ABI, you cant say the same because they're 2 games, not a game and a mod. So its definitely weird that the house layout and shape is the exact same

[@kylefreeman3137]

well there must be a way that they are able to use the assets?

[@Special1Guy]

The mosin is not even close he is using his index and pointer finger in arena to load it.

[@PivotMasterRNM]

At this point, to avoid copyright, just hire hyper for reload animations

[@MashBro]

"Similar" doesn't win court cases

[@WiscoMTB37]

Not about court, about proving to Steam the game steals assets then they can get the game taken down like Dark and Darker

[@LynxBite]

It's identical down to the lengths of animations bruh

[@AdolfHitler-lk4vo]

@@WiscoMTB37 tarkov isnt on steam so?

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Yeah but neither it wins my willing to support dumb and blant plagiarism

[@taunopaavo321]

@@WiscoMTB37 too bad they got debunked as baseless claims oof sucks to suck

[@Muffll.]

Isnt there different reload animations per weapon mastery level (in tarkov) ? So

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Yeah ABI could've stolen these animations as well

[@takingday]

Most people don't care about weather ABI stole stuff or not and really they never have cause they never cared that much that BSG had not contacted Glock or many of the other weapon manufactures to use their weapons in-game and as far as we know they still haven't. Players just want a fun game , most consumer want a good product , people buy stuff most of the time not giving a shit about if it's ethical or not. ABI is unlikely to have any troubles cause of the stealing thing it more likely to be effected by stuff like if their servers are bad on official launch , long load times , cheater outbreaks , stale late game , intrusive monetization , if BSG makes big strides to improve EFT or a combination of these things.

[@phht0568]

Exactly this, if people care at all about the "stealing" then why arent they demanding Glock, H&Kn and Colt to sue BSG for not having a legal right to use their products. Its hypocrisy at a all time level imo. Like i want to play a EFT type game as a consumer in a EFT dry market. If ABI can provide that, then ABI i will play.

[@SplarcieRS]

@@phht0568 ABI is watered down Tarkov. On top of it being the same game essentially. You will get cheaters in ABI, just wait. Like every chinese mobile game, the pubg ripoffs, any US game ripoff remade in china, that gets filled with cheaters within a year. ALSO, you can not sue for using glock, h&kn, etc. Well you COULD, but back in 2014 EA cancelled all gun related deals for their game claiming that it was under fair use. These weapons are used in films, movies, books, etc. Games should not differ, hence why EA stopped paying license agreements on these nearly a decade ago. So yes they COULD but they WONT and they really can't, most they could do is send a cease and desist which wouldnt matter even to a US company that would bring them to court over the fair use of their products in a video game. Pretty sure that's why COD franchise had a long deal with these weapons, but also at some point had a bunch of weapons with weird awkward names.

[@krit6678]

​@@phht0568who cares these gun companies and manufacturer are stupid anyways , copyrighting gun names sounds and even recoil is beyond ridiculous

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Everything you listed that are concerns don't exist for Arena Breakout on mobile On Pc there's already faster load times Compensation for reporting cheaters you get everything back and they get ip/hard banned Late game is continuously updated with new maps and modes and weapons Monetization isn't required to play the game or enjoy it it just makes it less inconvenient Monetization has to exist if you want the game to stay alive it is a business after all I don't blame bsg for that as well even if the lead dev is an out of touch whiney idiot

[@taunopaavo321]

@@krit6678 the hypocrisy in you must be huge holy shit

[@FriendlyFriendx]

also some gun sounds like the berretta, are really similar too

[@nathanmitchell7961]

6:21 wood pattern even the same

[@kilodarin1827]

I have to wonder if BSG didnt properly copyright certain animations with some of the guns. also, even though bsg may model their guns using 3d scan, textures might be from a public texture library and bsg just cant admit that they dont use 100% original textures because they have previously claimed they did everything themselves. which would make them lose even more trust with the community. The other possibility i could see is if a model dev who used to work for bsg, was brought on by AB:I and they used old textures and animations that they themselves had made for EFT. which would bypass the copyright infringement claim.

[@taunopaavo321]

you cannot claim an animation that can be done irl by a person using that said gun are you r*tarded

[@MajedCT]

Dude, the weapon box search sound effect is straight ripped, its the same in tarkov and breakout, not similar, exact Same

[@Sim-po1mc]

0:10 you did change the dayz for the arma 2, i was like wtf but later in the video i understood it was a mistake hehe

[@MouldyCheez]

The house in Arena Breakout infinite was already in the mobile version

[@nathanmitchell7961]

The animator is clearly talented why trace and copy somelses animations

[@zer0synd1cate]

That's the part I don't get, I feel like it's seriously easier to just create an original animation at that point lol

[@taunopaavo321]

reload animations nowadays are done with motion cap and the ABI devs use motioncap also there is a video about reload animations in games after 2019 modern warfare how that game changed how reloads are done in video games and almost all fps games adopted those reload animations with some minor differences

[@zer0synd1cate]

@@taunopaavo321 Most viewmodel animations are all handkeyed, the only games I can think of that used mocap are BF2042 and a handful of indie games

[@nathanmitchell7961]

@@taunopaavo321 It would be EVEN harder to mocap animations 1:1 to handmade animations from Tarkov, what do you mean? Also why would they copy Tarkovs animation with mocap in the first place? None of these reloads in this games are 1:1 as they are in Tarkov vs ABI especially with the AK, M4, and M9, UMP45 being major suspects, there is no way you can get that close animating a gun, it is impossible. The subtle details IS what makes it different, there is no differences here.

[@nathanmitchell7961]

@@zer0synd1cate He is making it up.

[@dabong420]

Imagine watching someone open the door and then watch someone else. Open the door and saying all the second guy copied him. Yeah, you see how he turned the door handle to the right and pushed the door open. Yeah, copied, the first guy. A firearm just like a doorknob is a mechanical device. It only operates in a certain way. So in order to get it to function, your hands have to make certain movements. That's just fact it's not someone copying something. By your logic, every single race car game copied the very first race caragain.

[@mkdock]

Then why other games have diffrent animations?

[@scavvyboi1657]

DayZ is the one on the right, ARMA II is the one on the left. Also, at this point I don't care about who copied who, so as long as the game is fun. Tarkov is not great right now, Arena Breakout is great and it's free, AND it's still in Beta so theres way more content on the way soon (Tarkov being in beta eight fucking years doesn't help)

[@Obnax]

"Wait this house has a door and windows,This plagiarism"

[@rymd1875]

and the animations? the textures? the models?

[@d4rkomeg413]

I am happy they are doing this shows tarkov not to mess around

[@rickybuhl3176]

I like this - having the conversation when we have stuff to look at. And umm, yeh ok fair enough. Both my brain cells can see it..

[@jordanjeppson6959]

Definitely funny! I think it's prob worth to note that tarkov has taken many things and some are assets for all to use. None the less love the video and the comparison

[@rustyc]

I'm still curious on the "copy and paste" references since they are different game engines. I have no idea how that stuff works.

[@ChristianBoragine]

it's not that difficult to transpile code, moreover the graphic shader language (glsl) to program the gpu is the same across all engines and can be basically copy pasted.

[@PolishCow96]

There is a way to translate it but its not even worth also mobile game is made in ue as well and in went out 2 years ago

[@ChristianBoragine]

@@hghhorse4779 you just need the logic and the algorythms. I'm been developing sotware fot 30 years, I can assure you that it's not difficult to see a program in C# and reimplement it in c++. Or python or haskell. The big part of the effort is in the logic not in the implementation. SPT is just as trash as original tarkov, given that there are only clueless teenagers programming it.

[@toolsrius]

​@ChristianBoragine glsl is open source it's literally a small part of openGL.

[@mikedebakker5820]

It's all bullshit, if this was straight copy paste, this game wouldn't be getting 3 times the framerate of Tarkov, and it wouldn't have all these insane QoL things that clearly more thought went into than the collective thoughts BSG ever put into Tarkov combined.

[@larsbaer3508]

i started tarkov first time in 2 months having to wait 10 minutes in the matching screen "syncronysing" .. if arena breakout has better load times i wont ever play tarkov again ..

[@allenrichardson9084]

You can play SPT EFT with SAIN AI and have alot of fun and if you're pc is fast have sub 1 min load times.

[@larsbaer3508]

@@allenrichardson9084 i play stalker EFP mod collection at the moment, its a mod for stalker that is a total conversion to escape from tarkov like stalker, so eft with mutants and anomalys, really love it, and way easier to set up than SPT xD

[@allenrichardson9084]

@@larsbaer3508 SPT is super easy grab the installer have 2 files you need before have on there set up page, than have EFT up to date, then have installer in a empty folder than click 1 button it will do it for ya, than the mods just extract than drag files into where SPT is in.

[@wgisexuallyidentifyasprett4142]

ABI has loading times of less than 2 minutes from what I have seen

[@larsbaer3508]

@@allenrichardson9084 i actually installed SPT now with AI mods, ITS so refreshing .... I have load Times of about 20 Seconds .... ITS totally unheard of ...

[@HOGGZ]

☝🤓At 0:12 and 10:01 the bottom left is Arma 2 and the bottom right is Dayz, someone mixed em up ☝🤓

[@DorkwingYT]

The houses look much diffrent in dayz and arma

[@Badhero4]

This is just like the new Delta Force game. Most of the animations are taken straight from cod.

[@Mr.LeoNov]

And mind, it is also sponsored by Tencent...

[@Badhero4]

China numba juan!!!

[@ShaxxVN]

Well and the recoil kinna sus too

[@randomgreatness5245]

So your enjoying the knock off that landmark and summit (and the rest of there group) help make ???

[@randomgreatness5245]

My guess is that Nikita can't go after them because to much dirty laundry would come out about streamers cheating and allowing cheaters because they bring in so much money to BSG

[@BigChimpEnergy]

@@randomgreatness5245 No he can't go after them, because China does not care about international copyright laws. There are so many counterfeit goods sold overseas in China that it's not funny.

[@BattleBrickState]

If this ain't blatant plagiarism then idk what is

[@0Ciju0]

Crazy part is, I couldn't be bothered anymore. We've been fucked by Tarkov so much that at this point I just want a working game. I'm done with the drama and the bullshit. If a random Chinese company can take the basic models of Tarkov and make it into something much better, they will be getting my money.

[@Opachki69420]

@@0Ciju0 random? Tencent is the largest gaming company in china and they have direct ties to the Chinese government. If you are willing to just ignore all that because someone made a "better"(thats a subjective opinion anyway) version of Tarkov you are showing how willing you are to compromise your morals for a fucking video game lol

[@0Ciju0]

​@@Opachki69420 its not that deep brother, I am willing to be that you have a Tik Tok account, which is considerably more predatory and worse than a TenCent game (both in terms of negatives to society/state security, and mental health of the individuals). While I agree, I have no security issues with it, as its accounted for in my threat model. I am at a point where I would rather run VM's , isolate environment, snapshot backups, and block specific ports, as opposed to support Nikita.

[@phht0568]

​@@Opachki69420 "compromise your morals" good sir this is literally over video games. Video games where you commit murder to make money. I dont think morality is relevant at all. Wheres BSG morality for when they gave the middle finger to their most dedicated fan base.

[@Opachki69420]

@@phht0568 im talking about stealing the labor of other people... this has very little to do with video games and more to do with them ripping assets and animations that dont belong to them.

[@alizvondhordez4314]

The mp5 Reload is from CS

[@absolutelyanarhy8830]

no its not

[@nichozmiloz2228]

Nuuh dumb ass cs are more stiff and arcadey

[@alizvondhordez4314]

@@absolutelyanarhy8830 yes it yes

[@absolutelyanarhy8830]

@@alizvondhordez4314 only similarity with cs reload here is a "hk slap"

[@SorrowAngel97]

@@absolutelyanarhy8830 Which CS did you compare it with? If I recall correctly (haven't played it in ages) it looks very similar to the CS:Source animation. Maybe it is just because of the slap as you mentioned, I don't know.

[@MashBro]

You've got the Arma and DayZ labels mixed up for the comparisons. Those are clearly the DayZ houses labeled as Arma 2.

[@MyNameJeff-lo2yc]

how many ways can you load a MP5?

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Bruh look at the MOVEMENTS, not WAYS to reload 🤦‍♂

[@Karasauce]

I Think Nikita is right about stolen code/asset but AB is cool to play :S

[@alizvondhordez4314]

The house in the Mobile is different

[@gear6th679]

It's just an earlier build of tarkov with some fluff around it

[@sd5241]

Does it matter? Nikita, WE ARE so so sorry for what you are experiencing rn😂.

[@sodaft]

I mean, I'm not even mad. Transitioning to ABI will be smoother than I've expected 😂 Farewell to EOD.

[@zablest2038]

Supporting theft has horrible implications for gaming it’s childish to support this level of theft it’ll ruin gaming for generations

[@sodaft]

@@zablest2038 supporting breaking the law by developer, moderating content of already sold versions of the game, not delivering what was promised, money grabbing and so on isn't the best strategy either.

[@mikedebakker5820]

@@zablest2038 Nah bro literally nobody cares, the game is just fun and that's all that matters.

[@zablest2038]

@@sodaft never said I support what BSG did but they aren’t the ones stealing from other devs to push out a cheap money grab

[@sodaft]

@@zablest2038 no, they're just stealing from people who bought their game.

[@ImportedAsianBoi]

that one guy in chat coping so hard holyyyy

[@zawiz8783]

I've got around to play ABI after waiting for a code, it just doesnt feel right... its just not "tarkov"? I guess that sounds strange but I can't put my finger on it, I think I just can't feel the passion.

[@your-missing-sock9440]

They stole assets and code from tarkov. It’s blatant theft at this point the models sealed the deal for me I uninstalled.

[@nathancomalander4417]

its literally the 2022 tarkov build... all the way down to shitty recoil that everyone hated after lazer beam m4 meta days. Tarkov and dayz kinda share alot of similar things since they both take inspiration from stalker. But there is a difference between being inspired by.. and straight up Chinatising another intellectual property. You cannot tell (Edit - "Me" ) that ABI and AB arent *Exact* Clones of Tarkov. Even got a woman who sells you meds

[@Tyler-nh6oy]

Maybe 2 of the animations are even close enough to be considered “identical” as a matter of fact the Tarkov reloads look worse in a lot of the reloads. Just hating on China to hate on China I guess. These weapons literally have manuals of arms that show you the proper way to reload, no shit the reloads are going to look the same.

[@GregHatter360]

No it's dead stolen animations, even little details during the reloads are exactly similiar, the p54 have the left hand do the exact same hold mid air in frame before dropping down that is by far the most obvious ok this isn't just a coincidence anymore.

[@Shakerini-tf7fp]

Arena breakout is korean tho, tencent only puts the money but the studio and most people that work there is south korean

[@bloodyomen7503]

Well,how could gun reloadings differ,same gun same way to reload ...mp5 for example,look at c's go,it's the same too

[@Mr.LeoNov]

It's clearly not............ Just look at how different movements are in CS and in EFT And then watch how almost IDENTICAL they are in ABI and EFT

[@thc_freebaser]

Damn, maybe Streets will finally run at 60+ frames!

[@romankonyshev8498]

But why do so? They don't have animation artist who can make them own anims?

[@absolutelyanarhy8830]

because thats a cheap knock-off thats why

[@Romey1son]

Tarkovs audio has been meticulously recorded and would be incredibly hard to recreate, 100% stolen.

[@mikedebakker5820]

Yeah or you know, maybe if 2 different people record the sound of the same gun, it will just sound more or less the exact same...

[@Romey1son]

@@mikedebakker5820 you seriously don't understand audio do you. Go get a gun then shoot it and record it, then got to another part of the world find the same gun (who knows if they used exactly the same gun exactly the same part) and shoot it in a different area with different recording gear and see if it sounds the same. Get a degree in audio engineering then we can talk.

[@mikedebakker5820]

@@Romey1son You know real soldiers can easily tell what gun they're hearing? It's because they do have destinct and regonizable sounds. "degree in audio engineering" get the hell outa here. 😂

[@leana339]

You do know that they don't just record a shot but after that comes audio mixing? I know one Veteran who worked on GTA 5 and the original Black Ops series and alot of other titles in Sound design Rob Carr and when i talk with him every now and then he mentions how many people have such a bad impression of Gun Sounds and think that they just go and record them lol @@Romey1son

[@hellkaiser1366]

The weapons animations is stupid when you realize that...thats how you reload them in real life,except for the MP5...because thats a HK slap,which is something from before the both games,know the weapon attachments know that is where you have a case

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Bruh you don't just reload guns with THE SAME F_ING MOVEMENTS in every game Why do ALL games have different animations, movements of guns and only ABI and EFT are the exact same???

[@zeedax1223]

I don't think this is copying because how else would they do it? Multiple game uses the same animation

[@absolutelyanarhy8830]

bsg make their own animations and record sounds themselves. Thats why tarkov animations and sounds are unique

[@Mr.LeoNov]

What games, for example? Every game has completely different animations (unless they are a pre-made store asset), it's as clear as day

[@dxvthvbyssvbsxrbsyxudsmxmbxrxd]

​@@LastRaidBosscopyright law with gun names? what a big cope

[@beatle7809]

I dont believe BSG would ever collab with a non Russian game studio. Since they’re pretty hard about being 100% Russian owned and operated.

[@Eqnotalent]

Can you play as scavs/npc in arena breakout?

[@Srcdaytona]

Yes, it's called "covert ops"

[@fabulouskhro4847]

Why is tarkov so grainy and static-y

[@michealnelsonauthor]

2) when Nikita/BSG was early developing Arena, they wanted to port it to mobile. SinceAB was developing a similar game for mobile, BSG contracted with AB and sent a lot of assets over to co-develop. The deal fell thru & BSG put out Arena/Tarkov without a mobile version. But those assets were apparently still legally usable by AB. So… what’s the issue again?

[@el_floppo9159]

Any source? Never heard of this before

[@michealnelsonauthor]

@@el_floppo9159 I think it was Landmark talking about it the other day, looking at VeryBadScavs several videos about this issue..l So I haven’t seen it, of course. Those guys suggested it. True? I don’t know. But if so, this would explain a lot. I’m guessing Nikita made a crappy contract and their digital assets were not covered, lol. Fits.

[@raymondrhorer6045]

Reloading the same gun side by side looks similar? No way

[@Nohoth]

They are like frame by frame for some of them, Like wtf are you watching. If they are all that similiar then compare it to any cod game or any other modern fps and tell me how they are almost a frame for frame recreation.

[@rymd1875]

So why don't other games share the same reload animations? actually mentally challenged

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Now you're just _have_ to be playing dumb here...

[@HaiAkuSydney]

I have certain discrimination about ABI

[@user-qk4bw2vh1c]

Well, ABI is just what Tarkov should be after all these years... "If u can't make it, some chinese guys would."

[@G0ldfishOnFyre]

How many times do I have to make this clear? BSG doesn’t own reload animation

[@tooslow4you_258]

They created all of their own animations in house. Dumbass. So yes they do.

[@dangluan92]

BSG animations got copied by Tencent : I sleep CODMW animations got copied by Tencent : Let me grab a pitch fork with the bois

[@rymd1875]

Yeah they do for the animations that their animators made dumbass

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Tafaq you mean bruh??? They DO own reload animations made by THEIR animation team. Don't just play dumb like you didn't know every game since forever had different reload animations. And don't just play dumb saying you "didn't notice any TOO OBVIOUS "similarities" By your logic, why doesn't every game now use CoD MW reload animations and sound ports? Well _because_ in a real world there exists a DMCA policy, duh

[@hijackdallas6052]

If BSG has taken the building from Arma/DayZ, than they have done a good work to make a very own layout... so why does Tencent fail in this one?

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Cuz BSG didn't steal? It's a generic old Soviet village house, there's a plenty of references online for the exterior which both Bohemia Interactive and BSG used to create these houses (not the interior though)

[@leana339]

What many forget btw is that Tarkov uses ALOT of Quixel Assets. You will find alot of similar stuff between games in general.

[@okemtm]

There's no way tencent would do such a thing.

[@mkdock]

Imagine coping so hard that you start to justify theft, smh

[@web8076]

arena breakout did soulles thing to those animations

[@DSFXRENDER]

feels like abi is more scummy for the direct rip

[@CaDzA818]

Maybe they bought same asseta from same artist, if that is the case im tottaly fine, but some weapons look you copy pastet and little redone, for that weapons they could at least do some more altering models and animations, anyway from what little i have played game fells much better then Tarkov and its still in closed beta, that is a hell of a achivment.

[@rymd1875]

game studios don't hire 3d artists so they can go and buy models, people really need to learn how gamedev actually works