Comparing "Whiplash" to USMC Boot Camp

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[@EMCproductions]

After reading through this comment section, apparently it is common for teachers to throw things at students 🤷

[@mikenseattle2841]

I was just about to come comment into that. 😆

[@nathans9861]

"It's a sports movie" ~ Adam Neely

[@AlexMartinez-cw4bx]

He’s not wrong lol

[@AlecWindmiller]

@@dvm8l3ttr40 what

[@mr_torle]

@@dvm8l3ttr40 Watch Adam Neelys abalysis about Whiplash then you know why it is.

[@cactusfishy1596]

“Definitely no band director that’s going to act like this” Buddy Rich himself, a drummer, but maybe even more notably, a director, was infamous for acting very similar to Simmons’s character

[@luisn642]

Yup. I honestly think he’s a great drummer, but he was single minded and he didn’t seem like the person I would want to meet.

[@nickbell8353]

Truth.

[@landonpeckham7752]

@@luisn642 especially if you play match grip

[@luisn642]

@@landonpeckham7752 Oh god yes

[@JerridFoiles]

You are SOOOO wrong. I had a high school band director just like Fletcher. He threw stuff at students. Yelled and belittled us.. I loved Whiplash because of the PTSD I experienced while watching it. He has since died of cancer. Couldn't have happened to a worser person.

[@leroysanchino]

Poor you

[@Mus34679]

Sorry to hear that. Hope he got fired from the school.

[@kerryfisher8189]

I went to boot camp more than 35 years ago, and there was no physical abuse allowed. I heard that in the '70's it was allowed, but I don't know the time it was stopped.

[@richardcrouthamel4397]

Around 1979. I went through the Island in ‘75 and it was actually far worse than Full Metal Jacket. And I remember in the late 70’s when they got rid of the brutality, all the old guys had dire predictions about the future of the Corps. And they were all wrong. We’ve put outstanding Marines in the field since then. The Corps is as solid today as it ever was.

[@leroysanchino]

@@richardcrouthamel4397 look at the army’s recruitment ads now…they’re supposed to be soldiers, not social justice warriors

[@richardcrouthamel4397]

@@leroysanchino It seems you and Ted Cruz are parroting Russian propaganda. But it’s all nonsense.

[@hookyhook6006]

@@richardcrouthamel4397 We can all agree that nobody likes Ted Cruz. Not even Bush.

[@bassplayer2011ify]

It probably stopped around the time we went from a draft military to an all volunteer military. No real need to beat someone if they came willingly. Though I wouldn't be surprised if blanket parties still happen.

[@Spaceman1968]

My step father got his hand stomped on by a senior drill instructor in Paris Island in the summer of 1954.

[@johntviviani3783]

Your dad is a badass

[@MrPibb540]

Ah yes... the good ol days when men were made in the military and could be touched by drill instructors

[@leroysanchino]

@@MrPibb540 “drill sergeant you’re violating my safe space! Time out!”

[@yashjoseph3544]

@@MrPibb540 Yah, because enduring physical abuse definitely makes you a man and not a potential and possible future war criminal. People thought taking out the brutality would kill the corps. They were wrong.

[@MrPibb540]

@@yashjoseph3544 smells like bitch in here

[@carolinehaf21]

Your drumkit drumming has improved so much already!

[@EMCproductions]

Thanks!

[@LukeIcardMusic]

@@EMCproductions i miss the good morning intro!

[@RedDogMamaHD]

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[@arisilvae3710]

This "not my tempo" reminds me of my high school band director till my junior year. He cut off our kit player in a jazz PERFORMANCE three times after the first 9/8 bar of Blue Rondo and even literally said "not my tempo"

[@captainkiwi77]

I as a music major can’t say this enough... I didn’t go to the movies to watch something realistic, I wanna see the shield superhuman use the magic hammer to hit the purple reality bending man, I wanna see the most angry person on the planet brutalize weepy children like a nickleodian exec while hearing jazz background music. Also I so badly want to see someone attack there band director at a concert, that would make my entire existence worth it, can you imagine their face getting run down by a rogue drummer

[@jacktheyak1325]

"Still not done" is my favorite emc productions joke by far

[@kirjian]

The old corp training was more... shall I say... HARDCORP

[@Mus34679]

😂

[@theredhun]

My fifth grade teacher used to throw his shoes at us when he was pissed. Ah the '80's.

[@cinematthew4431]

dude... I just saw Whiplash last night and it instantly became one of my favorite movies! what perfect upload scheduling!

[@dedmanwalking14]

I enlisted in 2006 and when this movie came out, I was a Sgt on recruiting duty. The other recruiter in my office heard about it and so we downloaded it to see what was up. Now, having no musical experience outside of my shitty guitar playing, I easily went along with the story and felt it was believable. Having been a Marine for the better part of a decade, I viewed fletcher as a hardass with extreme methods to get the results he needed. It felt unbelievable logical and grounded to me. Almost like that's how the majority of skills are taught throughout the Corps. So I laughed at the insanity but felt it was a necessary evil.... even remember feeling motivated by that speech in the jazz bar about "Good job" lol. I've been out for over 5 years now and last year, my wife and I watched it for her first time. She was immediately turned off and angry with it. Shockingly, it was the first real time where I was like, "oh, so this shit isn't normal to get on a higher level than everyone else?" I'm not admitting that I was desensitized or anything... but my brain definitely believed that the only way to greatness was to damn near kill yourself, lol.

[@kisterdrums]

Whiplash was actually the movie that led to me getting a drum kit, I loved the movie for it’s acting and story, but I absolutely loved the music so much

[@chrisrocks2935]

Wow your drumset is awesome when you play caravan by whiplash 🥁❤️❤️❤️

[@PuffyOne1898]

I cannot watch Whiplash. Idc if it’s “not realistic.” It scares me. Andrew becomes a perfectionist to the point where he breaks himself. I can relate I’ve had several moments in practice rooms where I want to jab my neck with my bassoon bocal. Fletcher is a pusher to the point of insanity, and berates people for the smallest things. I relate to that as well, I have anger management issues, and usually think letting it all loose, be it at someone or not, is the best course of action. The movie shows two sides of me that I hate. I guarantee if I watched it when it came out, I would not have been a music student.

[@tiyenin]

You folks know that Whiplash is a physiological thriller, yes?

[@PuffyOne1898]

@@tiyenin I’m one person, and yes I’m pretty aware. It horrifies me on a physiological level.

[@williamholke3325]

@@PuffyOne1898 as a bassoonist I can absolutely relate to your comment

[@meandmyEV]

I marched a top 12 drum corps in the 90s and I immediately thought of my experience when I saw this movie. Although I did not experience any physical abuse, they certainly beat the crap out of us mentally. The way I interpret the movie is that it is about pushing for perfection and if the ends justify the means in terms of how the teachers treat the students. I think that if you had asked me 20 years ago, I would have said that the mental and physical strain they put on us back in the day was how we ended up being so good but I do not think that anymore. I have seen many modern drum corps rehearsals where a lot of effort is made to treat the performers as professionals with great care to make them comfortable and the result is the modern corps perform as well or better than we used to. Some of this is because the kids are just better coming in these days because there is more competition for spots but I think we would have been just as good without the craziness we had to endure.

[@afriendlyreminder6072]

GODDAMNIT HE"S USING MARCHING STICKS ON THE KIT I"M GONNA LOSE MY SHIT AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@afriendlyreminder6072]

Love your stuff tho

[@JulianKlimczyk]

Drill instructors being not allowed to do something and actually not doing it are two different things! Just a reminder

[@MichaelSoucy]

your set drumming is really getting good. Much smoother!! Nice :-)

[@Apollostowel]

Music major here, and I gotta say Whiplash resonated with me big time. No, not from the university experience, and certainly not drum corps, we got better through positive feedback and a supportive environment. But high school marching band, we had a director not far off this guy, and hazing was allowed and encouraged. Did anyone ever get punched? No. Did we get utterly humiliated for not quite his tempo? Absolutely. But besides that, lots of artists go through inner suffering that can be as bad, so yeah, this movie was triggering of that experience. He didn’t last much longer as a director after my class graduated.

[@Apollostowel]

There’s just lots of “this would never happen” and like… it did? We got stuff throw at us, we got screamed at, we got auditioned on the spot, and called names, there ARE directors like this. Probably not in a university setting, but “never” is a lot. Not only is the movie triggering, but being told it doesn’t happen is also triggering.

[@Amadea27]

When you added Davie in as the frame showed BASS. Omg

[@greggpeterson2443]

NOT MY TEMPO... lol jk great video Eric love your stuff dude

[@BruceRichardsonMusic]

Yeah, man. I had a college band director that was about 70% Fletcher. He became one of the most celebrated conductors in that world. I knew him when he was in his early-30s. And yes, he'd be fired today, and was almost fired then. He was just enough percent less than Fletcher, and just enough percent more talented than anyone his age, that he managed to hang onto his job. And his band was brilliant. Traumatized, but brilliant.

[@kodyivers1260]

I had a drum instructor like that actually…

[@pleaseenteraname6545]

I did have a teacher during drumline season that would act like this if he got really pissed. He’d throw peoples sticks, cut them out of shit mid season, yell into students faces and call them garbage and frequently throw fits at the snare line

[@hisnameisdean]

How good was your drumline after that?

[@sayoryeetbeems379]

My high school was almost like that. If corporal punishment was legal in our district then we would've got out shit together QUICK.

[@michaelwelch2247]

I actually had a band director in high school that was a lot like Fletcher. He was muscular like Fletcher and literally even had weights in his office that he would work out with during student/parent meetings, lunch, and literally any free time he had. He yelled and cursed at us a lot. He would call people fat and constantly made jokes and remarks about people's weight. He never threw a chair AT us, but there were several occasions of him throwing a chair off our upstairs catwalk down at the floor. He also never hit us, but would play Wall Ball with us a lot (a game where you regularly throw a tennis ball as hard as possible at other people). The main difference I find between my band director and Fletcher is that Fletcher was so aggressive and would push people so much for the sake of the music while my band director only cared about winning and awards. (He never taught us music theory, we literally only learned how to play music and march. It was so bad that some people didn't even know how to read music so they would just learn by ear via classmates playing the same part.)

[@yay4this]

I can play jazz drums. And I I've never jazz drummed before. You were awesome at it, btw.

[@jameslink363]

My jazz teacher in 8th grade was actually known to have thrown chairs across the room in the past!

[@digitaldeathsquid3448]

I think Adam Neely put it best when he said "this isn't a music film, this is a sports movie"

[@fearinghealer6153]

Didn't know you were a Jazz Drummer

[@MrGamer-wx3xb]

YoU HaVe tO PlaY tRaDiTiOnAL

[@craytonbuchanan]

I enjoyed this movie, but I don't think it's necessarily supposed to be about music school itself, but obsession and perfectionism to its most extreme and self-destructive, with the focus of the obsession being jazz drumming. With this in mind, I though it was a great movie, but that's just me.

[@luisn642]

I heard Black Swan was similar and also good

[@mitchellware7814]

I had a band director in middle school who would cuss us out all the time

[@luisn642]

Lol actually? In middle school?!?

[@ferretyluv]

Man, if I even say “hell” in front of a kid I’d get fired.

[@RedDogMamaHD]

Listened to this as I left the post office. So hard not to watch your facial expression while driving ... Got to my last stop (Library ... I totally am a Loopy Grandma!) as it ended. Never watched this movie because I was too cheap to pay for it! Need to go home and rewatch this video on a bigger screen!

[@tanner4958]

Dr. Crowder was an amazing band director over percussion. However in my experience alone I've had my sticks thrown across the room, not to mention his shoe and a a stapler thrown at me. Good times and honestly hilarious after the anger. 🤷‍♀️

[@benjaminsmusicadventures]

man, you are crazy. love your content. keep on going

[@ZombieFarmboy666]

Man, boot camp… ah, the memories.

[@richardstuart2591]

You plugging your tik tok when talking about the drummer attacking the director during the performance was very clean. Usually when youtubers plug other social media it can seem all up in your face. The "follow my Instagram within the next 5 seconds or you get bad luck for a year," kinda thing. You were able to think outside the box and the outcome was a very non aggressive way to let your fans know about your tik tok. Much appreciated!

[@Inspadave]

In my time at Parris Island (1990) the drill instructors were not allowed to come in contact with recruits except to correct deficiencies like bad drill. There certainly were not suppose to be any forceful reminders. Yet . . . I got slapped up the backside of my head, and punched in the chest.

[@mmstudio4664]

I like how your T-shirt says "I am talented".

[@thomasholcomb7681]

Your comedic chops in these videos are always on point! Still Not Done! STILL NOT DONE!!!! Still Not Ok I’m done

[@pumodi]

Didn't happen in college but I had two band directors in high school. The first one had been there for decades but left in my Sophomore year. She was known for throwing things at students and screaming regularly. This only happened in the higher tier Wind Ensemble, Symphonic Band seemed to be spared most of this.

[@ErnieJ89]

Also going back to the depot, I was a corpsman on staff at mcrd sd back in 2009-2011,and Charlie Company totally had a recruit attack a drill instructor and got the upper hand on him. The hats all tried to cover it up as to not embarrass the hat in question, and im sure the recruit paid dearly

[@ooomph9602]

Remember the pirate metal band you said you were in?

[@quadkat85]

Appreciated the still not done part

[@ferretyluv]

Apparently in that rushing vs dragging scene, he actually counted out the tempo perfectly and Fletcher wanted him to be confident enough to say he was right.

[@nolanarch9987]

The band director looks like my 7th grade social studies teacher (he was like 5’6 and insanely buff)

[@cadebaldwin._]

My old band director used to throw expo markers at us

[@bro748]

Whiplash was based off of real experience, though irl it was a high school band, not a college one. It isn't trying to represent what the normal experience in music education is like, but rather one fringe experience that's particularly interesting and cinematic.

[@Jank_1212]

NOT MY TEMPO

[@wdisneyw71]

Ahhhhhh..... in JR and HS we had shit thrown at us all of the time. They produced the best and ton of DCI members..... old school.

[@TheRcdood]

When I was in drumline I had a stick thrown at me haha, whenever we would also mess up our instructor would grab a stick from our stick bag, throw it as far as he could and we have to run and go get it and if we all didn't make it back in time he would make us do pushups, I had another instructor that got so mad that he made the bass line pick up there drums over there head and run the track while they held there drums up and they needed to be back as a group, we were yelled at, singled out, and would practice the longest out of everyone else...s

[@mrnoname2353]

Can you please play Drum Corps on Parade?

[@TheMick7M3]

My middle school band teacher threw a stapler at the trumpets once

[@jaysonmccloneypercussion2334]

I marched in a show style band in college and I had instructors similar to this guy. 🤣🤣

[@joelmccoy1989]

That's actually very similar to how my band director behaved...except he was an old fat guy and not lean like the director in the movie. He didn't get physical with us but the yelling, screaming, and humiliating students was pretty dead on...and no, he didn't get fired because the band was so good.

[@unkoshersleepy13]

80’s & 90’s drum corps was very much like whiplash at least in the battery section.

[@PakistanBuilds]

the teacher be lookin like jeff bezos

[@chuckjenkins9544]

I am in band camp right now (bass 2) and our tech threw a stick across the room at our bass 1 player for being stupid while we were playing

[@Dstixx_]

I wonder how long it would take for emc to learn caravan and play it perfectly

[@Gabe24910]

What are you doing here in the comments, there’s no ducking Mars bar down here, what are you looking at?

[@wackowizard5796]

Wrong Eric, Composer Rob Stein is a body building band director!

[@LJ-wo1wf]

8:30 -- thought it was "Please Stand Up"

[@larkrey5325]

So... My high school band director wasn't muscular like the band director in Whiplash, but he was known to chuck things across the room, toward rowdy jerks (mostly in the brass section) who pushed his buttons. My favorite episode of his, was when about the time the Furbies first came out. A flute player brought hers to band class and the main brass section knucklehead spent the first 20min of class trying to teach it really bad things. So, we start playing through our bleacher music for the upcoming football game, and we get to Tequila. The first time there was a pause to shout the song's namesake, the Furby goes, "F#%k you!" Now, I don't know how the band director figured it was the brass kid because the Furby was back with its owner at this point. But soon as we all started laughing, sure enough, he chucked a dry board eraser as hard as he could, and it hits its mark, going down into the tuba's bell and knocked the tuber player out of his chair. Best funny-scarry moment ever with a band director for me.

[@dadillacultralimited4059]

I had a band director that walked around with a bass drum mallet and would pop you on the head if you screwed up and would tell you to 'fix it".

[@clevelandscott9584]

I actually have a band director who’s in pretty good shape like him

[@nickbell8353]

Band directors in Texas will chunk erasers at students, maybe even a conducting baton, but never a cymbal. They cost too much money.

[@officialspaceefrain]

Good video style

[@worldsheaviestjamband93]

I may have experienced a teacher that if you lost your folder he would have the other students bring it to him. That required you to freak out about it…then force you to go to him…in the hopes he had it.

[@ErnieJ89]

Never had a physically abusive band director, since I primarily pursued music after the military aside from high school band. I did however, have a jazz band director try to belittle me and inferred that I had waited too long to pursue music as if “my time had passed”. I told him I was a little busy in Afghanistan to practice my walking basslines then

[@dudeguy99butAWESOME]

How did neeman kick the bass drum like that damn

[@chengyilu9403]

Wait this for a long time

[@heyitsenoch]

My question is: WHERE DID THE FOLDER GO

[@sayoryeetbeems379]

If Corporal Punishment (teachers hitting students and getting away with it) then how would y'all think it would play out in your music classes? I appreciate tough love and straight-forwardness, but it would get my high school band would boot its ENTIRE senior class- They were that bad.

[@alexanderpotor4237]

There were too many accurate comparisons to my time in music school in this movie both in high school and college.

[@yay4this]

Slapping and punching recruits did not happen "10-15 years ago". It didn't happen to in my training 30 years ago.

[@dylanlegros1955]

The stick cuts are probably due to bad grip maybe idk but I heard @ZackGrooves talk about it in one of his latest vids

[@kylephillipwolff]

STILL NOT DONE!

[@ShoBartHehe]

since when did you play jazz on the drum

[@MorallyReprehensible]

Boot camp was easy compared to being a boot in the fleet where the real hazing begins.

[@chengyilu9403]

Can you break down the solo of caravan in the movie pls

[@SamiLB_]

NOT MY FUCKING TEMPO

[@jakeklossing4352]

Putting Whiplash aside and thinking about the real world, I would never allow somebody to harass me, especially in a musical setting. Taking harrassment isn't prideful or brave, I see it as accepting that it's ok for someone to belittle you. I get that boot camp is different, it's the military, they're basically training soldiers for the horrors of the battlefield. I've heard legitimate horror stories of high school band directors acting like Fletcher, or college marching band drum majors straight up assaulting freshmen. I just don't understand how people could brush it off and keep playing in that particular musical setting. All I'm saying is that music isn't worth hurting each other for. People who do, well, probably need to see a therapist. As much as I want J. K. Simmons to throw a chair at me, I don't like the idea of being slapped for not performing well enough. For all these reasons is why I really enjoy Whiplash. It makes me fear what could happen in a certain ensemble, but thankfully rarely does.

[@jesselazenby912]

how does one injure the webbing of their thumb while drumming?

[@mreynoldstrombone]

React to Mr Holland's Opus

[@tea2920]

what's that stand for your drums???

[@Thor962]

Closing my eyes and hearing Omni-Man 😂

[@RoTeNdO]

I just want to say... as Percussion Director and Marine... I'm very much like Fletcher. Except that I haven't been fired yet. lol When I chuck things, they're usually empty water bottles or something non-lethal and I don't aim for their heads. I get their attention though!

[@tal-goman]

I dont understand why people think whiplash is a documentary and is supposed to be exactly the same as a regular band. I dont see how you can find a regular band practicing how it's really supposed to be entertaining at all. It's like saying that spider man is not entertaining because it's not real

[@nolanarch9987]

He looks like Jeff bezoar but slightly more buff

[@mikecabral1579]

You look a little stiff. Did you write that chart?

[@MrPibb540]

Aye uh... eric... NOT MY TEMPO

[@MrPibb540]

Also... nice davie504 cameo.. laughed hard

[@bassplayer2011ify]

0:01 Not my tempo.

[@DAVIE-sx6by]

Good morning

[@BowlingNG]

Not quite my tempo.

[@jaysunten]

You're a nut 🤣🤣🤣

[@seandurham3243]

nice good morning

[@hisnameisdean]

It wasn't about being in music school, it was about the drive of one uniquely determined music teacher and musician to create/become the next jazz great. Of course not every music teacher (99.9%) is that hell-bent on making their own jazz great. But the movie is centered around Andrew's haze of reaching for greatness and his will to go through hell just to find it, not around an ordinary jazz ensemble with ordinary players and an ordinary teacher. I think it tries to draw a lot from the lengths some teachers went to in the prime of jazz to create the next great musician, like the reference to Joe Jones throwing a cymbal at CP. It's hard for many to understand that drive, but that's what this movie focuses on, the almost fantasy-like strive for perfection.

[@bobbarksofficial4335]

Wow