Comparison: Kheshig vs. Nökhör, laminated Bow by Alibow

[@CarlitosMayo]

How shall I explain this to my wife 😂

[@ambidextrousarchery]

Not what I expected! Great comparison video, Armin🙂🙇🏻‍♂️👍🏹

[@agamagreen]

Awesome comparison! ☺️ My Keshig sounds a bit metallic and I think the Nokhör sound is nicer (to me) 😁 Thank you so much for this comparison video, dear Armin! I’m looking forward to shoot the Nokhör myself! 😁🙏🙏

[@UTxTheArchangel]

Was about to head to bed since its late here in the States. But got the notification of this and had to come watch. The Kheshig, a bow I own thanks to your videos on it, and the Nokhor, a bow I really wanna get. This is an ideal video to see. This is a great, fun video. 2 Great bows, head to head. Alibow are wizards.

[@qq-lw2vp]

Just wanted to say thank you because I just bought my first bow, the Nokhor from Alibow using your discount code. :)

[@billaydn5755]

Do you know the code could you tell me

[@qq-lw2vp]

@@billaydn5755 It's Armin10 I believe it only works on your first Alibow purchase. So it wouldn't work if you already ordered something from alibow.

[@billaydn5755]

Thanks for that, how is the bow how you use it and test it?

[@qq-lw2vp]

@@billaydn5755 I live in Australia, it may take 2 more weeks to get to where I am. So not yet unfortunately.

[@marcoengelbracht4141]

For me it is still the Kheshig, it is just the way it looks. Love the colours and the wide limbs. I think I will order me a Kheshig now.

[@QuinnCalibur]

Videos just keep getting better! Thanks for the content.

[@93med1]

Both nice bows. And beautiful camera work.

[@johncuthbertson2565]

I do love early Mongolian bows ❤️. As always a honest review 🙏

[@colleenparsons51]

Love the look of your Kheshig bow, wish I had one like that one, its so beautiful colour red and blue with the pretty pattern on it, nice way it flies it's arrows

[@markroberts6971]

Very good heads up comparison. Easy to improve the Nokkar bow w/ a regrip just for your hand preferences.

[@hunsbrown8288]

I already have a Keshig, and it throws 600 grain arrows with authority! It will be my hunting bow this fall. But, I really want a nokhor for the beautiful shape ❤

[@MarcassCarcass]

i agree about the color on the nokhor

[@jeromejeronimo9807]

Hi Armin! The Ming Empreror III is also between the short and the long Nokhor... It seems. Would it be a closest competitor for the Nokhor? I appreciate so much your work and video!!!

[@markroberts6971]

How about the regular Nokhur w/ a 35” draw? That would seem great. Great comparison. Thank you Armin.

[@ArminHirmer]

great too, yet no comparison to the Kheshig due to the longer draw :)

[@Ashbringer85]

I love my Kheshig, its my bling bow and people always comment on how nice it looks. I am wanting to try getting used to thumb draw so need a lighter bow to start that.. I am thinking 30lb Nokhor as opposed to my 50lb Kheshig seems a good choice.

[@FabledHeroes3351]

Wow the seems like the Nokor had a lot more going for it

[@markroberts6971]

Ha ha ha! It’s tough to compare one of your long time favorite bows, when it gets once’s out by another. But on the other hand, you’ve got two great shooting bows. Regrip the Nokur!

[@louis-jeanbraye9834]

this review is very well done well done if you want to buy armin is an expert watch he listens to the arc :)

[@marcreiff3830]

Hallo Armin Du erwähntest, dass manch einer die Befürchtung hat, dass die Inserts (inlays) am "Arrow Pass" nicht lang halten würden. -Wie zeigt sich das denn? Also an meinem Tang Loulan ist nach etlichen Schluss nur der Lack über dem Inlay leicht abgetragen. - Vermeiden durch Khatra und String Twist, richtig? Danke Hello Armin You mentioned that some people are worried that the inserts on the "Arrow Pass" won't last long. - How does it look? So on my Tang Loulan, after several uses, only the paint over the inlay is slightly worn off. - Avoid by Khatra and String Twist, right? Thanks Marc

[@선각자프라이모디얼]

I recommend manchurian bow

[@ecoconatus8089]

How about the Han long Siyah? It's in clearance right now, 180$ instead of 300 and seems very similar to these

[@MarcassCarcass]

Another good "close comparison" might be this new Nokhor with the Mongolia Yuan Jebe Gen2 from AF Archery. I think someone said the AF bow has more deflex when unstrung.

[@christopherreed4723]

I don't own either, unfortunately. Historical archery is a sport I'm only considering getting into at this point. But... ...I would probably go for a long Nökhör over the Kheshig, at least initially, based on this comparison. I'm 6' 2" and have long arms, so the longer draw the Nökhör permits is really attractive to me. The fact that it's a bit easier to string helps as well. That said, the Kheshig, especially in it's "Imperial" trim, is a gorgeous bow. (Again) Based on this comparison, I'd consider it an option for a more advanced practitioner, given its more demanding manual of arms. It also fills a niche for an archer who wants/needs the greater hitting power the Kheshig's heavier arrows offer. The maximum draw weight Alibow offers is *just* sufficient to pass many US states' minimum draw weight requirements for bow hunting, for example. Or maybe you just want to use a bow that, whithin the constraints of the contemporary market, lets you throw the heavier arrows needed for engaging armored opponents. Fifty pounds is, after all barely half of what these bows' actual predecessors would have drawn. Overall, both bows seem to be superb offerings. Either would likely make an archer very happy. It's also really nice to see nore Mongol bows offered, especially bows that follow something of a progression in skill.

[@jkre]

The minimum arrow weight doesn't mean that that's what you have to use. If you need a heavier arrow, use a heavier arrow, no matter the bow. Heavy arrow does not damage bows like too light arrows does.

[@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern]

going off what jkre said, you can definitly use heavier arrows than the minimum recommended. my current primary bow is a 50lb Turkish style bow, minimum arrow weight is 9gpp, i shoot it with 820 grain arrows that come out to 16.4gpp, the bow went from being noisy, questionably accurate, and low penetration at 9gpp to being dead silent, laser accurate (pin nocks are GREAT), and passing clear through the softer parts of my target at 16.4gpp.

[@jkre]

@@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern be careful with pin nocks if you thumb draw. The pins are known to sometimes snap from the pressure of the index finger, which might end up with dry firing the bow

[@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern]

@@jkre i've had issues with index pressure for different reasons in the past, so i adjust my hand accordingly now a days. but you're right i probably shouldn't have mentioned it as it is NOT a recommendation.

[@michaldante9797]

I think you are quite forgetting the purpose of different designes. For example it would be a nonsense to compare Turkish bow penetration power to Manchu bow (adding arrow weight doesnt help Turkish designe to be on the same level as Manchu) But the same goes for example comparing maximal flight distance of a Turkish bow against a Manchu bow (the Turkish bow is in advantage by it´s designe). Both of them at the same/similar poundage and considering their recommended arrow weights. The biggest issue of these videos which I love by the way are unfortunately exactly this: very rarely they consider or question the designe purpose. Some bows also perform best at different poundages. And different techniques (not just style of draw but also release) makes also a difference. With Manchu bow it would be nonsense to do Khatra like with Turkish or Korean bow. My question is also on the durability: it’s for a reason that there is reccomended versus minimal parametres on draw length and arrow weight. Armin didn’t consider in this comparasing video angle of 60 degrees at all! That is another “big thing” at least even for Armin in his older videos. Overall I’m big fan of Armin and very grateful for his videos, it aims mainly for hobby archers of traditional/asiatic style of archery and he is doing phenomenal job with that. He is also great teacher by my point of view. He is not a warbow archer, neither historian expert and he doesn’t have ambitions to get there or including these things into his work and that is absolutely fine, I just would like to point out to these differences in efficiency which makes diffence for some folks there even they are minority. I hope it makes a sense.

[@marcusfridh8489]

If i had the money, i would definitivly buy the nökhör. I prefer the shorter earlier mongol bows compare to the larger later bows that took the size inspired from the manchu bows.

[@andersnyman6954]

Have order a NÖKHÖR shorts model 40" after lock at your video

[@mocheford]

i'm about to order the same after watching the video. How is it going after 6 months? no regret ? What's your draw length ?

[@gregsoncumminggregsoncummi952]

I just had a look at Alibows website, and the photos of the Nokhor feature the same stitched leather grip as the Keshig. So Awesome

[@laurentmeiller5171]

absolutely wonderful bows, but for the 3D parcours i'm more confident with a shelf like my 62" Dolomite recurve (wild mountain)

[@gregsoncumminggregsoncummi952]

The mightier Nokhor. Will that be its new nom de plume. Such a shame about the Leather around the handle. The Stitching on the Keshig allows me to orient my fingers back to the same grip position, plus it just looks classier. Still a cross between a Mongolian and a Tartar. How can i resist.

[@makinganoise6028]

What manufacturers would you suggest looking at for a fast bow that is in the region of 70-90lb , Ive been shooting Asiatic bows for 4 years now, and learned from watching your videos, the 50lb bow I have feels like a toy.

[@ArminHirmer]

MR Bows, you can ask Grozer.

[@StayFoolishMedia]

Any idea how you would compare to the AF Archery Jebe 2? On first look, it seems like the Nokhor and Jebe are similar

[@gizmonomono]

So the king has been dethroned 😁

[@ArminHirmer]

nah its still the king, the other is just a tad better :D

[@ryanpate762]

How does the Nökhör go shooting Mediterranean style?

[@ArminHirmer]

is doing fine, yet you will not utilise the full potential of the bow

[@louis-jeanbraye9834]

armin I prefer red for the man with feet and dismountable in 2 parts in copper will be top:) the brown is more balls trap jumper:) when you arm the red there comes a flexible dance with the brown it is rigid and it kicks +++ not stable :( I broke a Turkish bow :( in 2015 maybe a blow to the tree branch in the garden :( but especially the heat in the sun to dry a nice deer grip l unreinforced bendy bow:) finished in circumflex accent: (I glued ash to neoprene:) I have to reduce the wood and do an epoxy finish I will need either polyester or carbon fiber!!! other the red bow :) in the 35# in 30" the red at 27" lengthens an arrow of 500 or 400 spine cabone you think it will support 800 spine carbon I am around 20/25 grams was + points and notch + 3 plastic nibs 1.5 "? thank you for your answer arm :)

[@crazyhandyman2668]

thank you

[@여단-i8e]

I think it's looks Gentle vs Sporty

[@martinpallo8185]

I would say that kheshig is older style of mongol bow

[@kamalariffin4459]

The comparison looks like AF Zhu Ran Vs Jebe Gen 2 😅

[@robsarchery9679]

My kheshig is great.But the Ming from AF Archery beats it.

[@tri-seeker2753]

"...give it a while and that garden will be littered by parkour targets..." or something along those lines I wrote under one vid some while ago. Well, being always right is a terrible burden, because nobody likes you 😀 Anyways, watching these always makes me think about replacing my beginner OakRidge Sada, but I JUST managed to get arrows right for it... 😔

[@Q44bs]

The great Mongolian (bow) civil war :D

[@jonoedwards4195]

Foist!