Comparison: Lelit Elizabeth vs. Rancilio Silvia Pro Dual Boiler Espresso Machines

Learn from Java Jim about the similarities and differences between Lelit Elizabeth and Rancillio Silvia Pro Dual Boiler Espresso Machines!
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[@ozpain1]

Peculiar music selection, esp @ 9:00. Awesome review, and thank you for all the info!

[@CastingCelebrity]

Lelit Elizabeth got a pressure gauge which is a very important feature imo

[@chadw8576]

Can you Please do a comparison between the Lelit Glenda, Rancilio Silvia, and Bezzera New Hobby? They seem very similar in price point and features (aside from the Glenda's PID). I want to learn how steam power, build quality, parts availability stacks up.

[@brwi9678]

Hi, Jim - great video, thanks. I've been looking at these exact two machines so this was helpful. Suggestion for future a video of these two machines' comparisons - fire 'em both up, use identical espresso, grind, etc., and then blind-test the flavor, pour, etc. with three volunteers who are discerning espresso fans who'd tell which they liked better and why. I'd love to see the outcome. Thanks again!

[@user-if6ox3po4p]

It would depend a lot of the grinder you'll use at home, so a blind test won't say too much, a Silvia paired with a Niche is not the same as the Elizabeth paired with some low cost girnder etc.

[@albertnieto5110]

@@user-if6ox3po4p as Ada s

[@bluemystic7501]

@@user-if6ox3po4p The implication was that the same grinder would be used for both machines, obviously.

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Nice video fun and informative thank you

[@jeffreynester7326]

What is max preinfusion time on lelit? Is maximum pressure adjustable on the lelit

[@billhendrix4125]

How about compared to the new Silvia Pro X?

[@featherman9]

They are essentially the exact same machine with a pre infusion and a pressure gauge.

[@stevereed4511]

Which ones warms up quicker?

[@billinrio]

Excellent comparison of the two machines. Are they the same price? Rancilio didn't enlarge the machine's drip tray, which surprises me. It's always been too small. The pre-infusion difference that you point out might be a deal breaker for me.

[@user-ns4em5sk9b]

While still being small, it IS larger on the Pro (X) than on the classical Silvia

[@konstantinosvakouftsis4086]

Do you have any review or lelit grace and Silvia non pro

[@gwen0437]

Lelit are making some of the best machines on the market Mara X and Bianca have raised the bar for all other manufacturers.

[@phredziphell8242]

"oh my God we have a leak!" Hahahaha just this comment will lead me to buy my next espresso machine from Jim. Thorough and humorous.

[@jeffmezzullo5864]

Any trade in value on an Ascaso Uno PID on the Elizabeth :-)

[@raduoancea1074]

Which one is better for getting the right milk microfoam? I want to upgrade from Lelit Ana as I'm disappointed by the steam pressure.

[@chris_auernhammer]

You can get good (micro-)foam out of the Anna (at least up to ~ 200 ml of milk/steaming process) it‘s just harder and takes longer. You‘ll get good and better foam from both elizabeth and pro if you‘re doing it right! The anna has pretty normal steam pressure for a single circle machine. You‘ll never get really high and stable steam pressure out of a single circle machine. The boiler is just to small for that (~250 ml). So any dual boiler machine will always perform better when it comes to that. But keep in mind that you can as I said get good foam out of the Anna. Most of the time it‘s lack of skill not bad equipment. Just watch some videos about milk steaming and practice it a lot.

[@BT-yb3lg]

The Lelit Elizabeth has programmable timed shot buttons while the Silvia does not. Correct?

[@marcojimenez2725]

No one use them

[@reonder]

I use it, its a great advantage over my silvia

[@bluemystic7501]

@@marcojimenez2725 I use them all the time. I have one button set for medium/light roasts and my other button is dialed for the darker roasts that my girlfriend enjoys. I'm still stopping the shot on my own but the amount/duration of preinfusion differs with each shot button.

[@hugoglenn9741]

Another video says your Lelit button description is wrong, it’s not 1 and 2 cups button, it’s Program 1 infusion and program 2 infusion profile

[@emirvezir]

Hi Jim, thank you for the information. I have one question, How long does it take for the Lelit Elizabeth to be ready for use after you turn it on? If you would answer me it would be very helpful. Thanks!

[@henrykg]

For me it's 20 minutes. No less. There are only a few machines that are ready faster (e.g. Sage/Breville Dual Boiler - 10 minutes)...

[@georgiosgalanopoulos7379]

Lelit all the way

[@user-ns4em5sk9b]

Lelit no way. Silvia Pro (X) is such a reliable workhorse. Once dialed in and heated up, just pull great shots after shots. It‘s that easy. Best machine I had in the last 25 years (despite being one of the cheapest)

[@TheCyclingConquistador]

Everything but making coffee 😂

[@ghas4151]

The internals are a mess on the inside of the LeLit with a bit too much plastic for my liking.

[@SurreyAlan]

Lelit do include a lot of great features but they do look like they've got a load of parts and put them in as they went along, compared to the silvia which looks a little more pla ned, look inside ECM or Profitec and the difference is very pronounced. Lelit do have videos on how to fix almost everything is that so you don't have to send it back? Do like Lelit though.

[@rolandlickert2904]

No machine is perfect but the features Elisabeth provides are pretty good and even more expensive Machines don't provide. These are some excellent ideas that could be in many more Machines hopefully in the future. Yes, the finishing of the Machine could be better but they concentrate more on the technical aspect. (something has to give for that price) The bottom line is to make great Espresso and Elizabeth gives you more options to archive it.

[@ukonthego]

Is there a difference in taste of the espresso between the two machines? Does the preinfusion make a big difference in taster? I still cant decide between these two! I only make 1 cappuccino a day but really want a cafe quality taste

[@ukonthego]

@Jon Woo thanks Jon!

[@tybaltmercutio]

@Jon Woo I disagree. Depending on the beans/roast it can be make a big difference. Of course, if you just drink dark to medium roasts it won‘t make a big difference. However, having the ability of 20 s blooming phase, actually opens the possibilities of pulling longer shot types like Raos Allongé or pour over (Spro) style shots.

[@tybaltmercutio]

@Jon Woo I don‘t get your point. Just say you don‘t enjoy light roasted espresso and everything is fine. But making such a general statement just does not make any sense …

[@tybaltmercutio]

@Jon Woo Just say you don‘t like it instead of making such general and primitive statements.

[@beispinde]

@@ukonthego What had Jon written? Unfortunately, the comment is gone and I fluctuate between the two machines😵‍💫

[@bigglyguy8429]

Welp, tried buying one... "Select country/region", with "US" as the only option. WEIRDLY enough, I don't live there. Meh.

[@karlkrasnowsky3895]

Why would more heft be a plus?

[@henrykg]

Sign that they do not saved on materials, and less rattle.

[@michaelestrinone2111]

are portafilters interchangeable between these two machines? I am looking towards "Elizabeth", but I have a bottomless portafilter from "Silvia" and wonder if I can use it in "Elizabeth"

[@Hilly092]

I'm in the same boat. Have a silvia bottomless handle and want to get the elizabeth in the future

[@michaelestrinone2111]

@@Hilly092 I ended up buying Silvia Pro and it is an amazing machine!

[@ukonthego]

@Michael EstrinOne how are you liking the Silvia pro? Do you mind not having the preinfusion, and programmable buttons? Also, how is the water filtering process? Do you just put that water softener pack in the tank and that’s pretty much it?

[@michaelestrinone2111]

@@ukonthego : I am absolutely loving it and yes, I am actually very happy without having programmable anything or preinfusion. I installed the PID on my previous "regular" Silvia, but the convenience of dual-boiler and build-in PID that is in its proper position (not at the bottom near portafilter) is fantastic. If I want I can simulate preinfusion just by turning it on, then off and then on again, but I did not have to do any of that. Temp stability is fantastic and the weight of the machine is such that I lock portafilter in place without holding the machine with my free hand. Loving it. There is one downside - loud pump, but it is for several seconds from time to time.

[@carlcat]

@@michaelestrinone2111 I remember that there are sound proofing kits and material that one can use to quiet the machine/pump, if it really bothers you. It bothers me but I'm too lazy to put it in.

[@shawnniknam6249]

Does the Elizabeth have both stainless steel boilers like the Silvia Pro?

[@user-if6ox3po4p]

Silvia doesn't have steel boilers but copper.

[@Jaroslav.]

Both Silvia Pro and V6 have a 300ml brass boiler for brewing, the Silvia Pro has a 1l stainless steel boiler for steam and hot water.

[@1st-lineequipment]

No, Elizabeth has stainless steel for steam, and brass for coffee.

[@cameronknowles6267]

@@1st-lineequipment does it make a difference inn espresso with different boiler materials

[@fikofikret1522]

@@cameronknowles6267 think stainless steel is much durable

[@grunow]

I owned two Lelit Elizabeth. The first one last almost two years. The boiler broke down and was losing steam, generating condensation inside the machine. As a replacement they sent me a new one and it arrived broken, failure in the anti-vacuum valve. I do not recommend Lelit. I haven’t tried the Rancilio.

[@peterbuckwalter2123]

Lelit Elizabeth or Mara x?

[@1983Jacko]

I would personally go for the dual boiler over heat exchanger.

[@peterbuckwalter2123]

@@1983Jacko I felt the same way, but then I read that the Lelit Mara X has two PID sensors, which give the machine capability to switch between steam and shot priority. With the E61 head I was thinking that this makes for a very interesting alternative to the double boiler. Have you tried both machines or are you only going on the typical benefits of a double boiler machine?

[@AzizIzgin]

@@peterbuckwalter2123 same thoughts here

[@peterbuckwalter2123]

Ironically I ended up buying a Lelit Bianca. Very happy!

[@AzizIzgin]

@@peterbuckwalter2123 I can imagine :-) great choice! I have gone from a budget of around 600 USD to mow around US$1300. At some point I have to draw the line and know where my limit goes :-)