aerodynamic performance of flankers are still the top. I guess that is why China keeps it. meanwhile, China replaced its radar/control/weapons with more advanced/sophisticated ones since China has far more advance in that electronics industry. J16 is the best from flanker families
@fatdoi0033 ай бұрын
PLA been constantly upgrading their Flanker series to the now J16D electronic warfare variant.... that's way beyond what Russians can do to their Flankers
@tickysiasiluka683 ай бұрын
Stolen technology.Why compare?
@LuobingSong3 ай бұрын
Russian still squeezing the last bit of aerodynamic performance out of T-10 series, which is also we Chinese do not and will not do, they still have another type of advantage China now turn to delta wings and complex turbulence aerodynamic design, and for T-10 series, we replace more metal with carbon fiber, we do not do more aerodynamic change on flanker, we simply make it less weight, replace old soviet heavy electronic system with new better ones, and change a better engine thats the difference between Russians and us now but Russians are now still producing the best aero designed flanker now
@LuobingSong3 ай бұрын
however, till now, time seems on our side, flanker seems to be old in aerodynamic design after 40 years glory, and the result seems like delta wing and complex aerodynamic design we think more about, but Russian are still working on a better flanker, although J20 can fly at mach 2.7 with same engine while flanker can only fly at mach 2.35 Russians run out of their money, so they can not do anything more, what make the final flanker SU57 a solemn and strring story
@pojunxingjun3 ай бұрын
yes, J16 is just looks like Su30, almost everything had been changed.
@pashapasovski58603 ай бұрын
Su30 looks like Su27 and Su30 SM has everything changed! New Su57 jets are replacing all varieties because they fit on all Sukhoi 27-57,Dry trust is Mah1.6 speed Mah 2.34 with 15% additional range and 30% longer life, cheaper usage! But Russia and China have little to no secrets with each other, sharing technology and resources! They are facing same enemies, and the only way they survive is keeping each others back!@pojunxingjun
@TienyeeTien3 ай бұрын
they are two completely different jets now
@MaboloLibweseАй бұрын
They are not completely different. If they were they would not look different. And if the Chinese had the ability to design their own planes, they would. Right now, they show an ability to reproduce Russian and American designs
@@MaboloLibwese The US F15 replicated the Russian MiG-25; The US B1 replicated Russia's TU160
@FrankZhang-pj9nnАй бұрын
@@MaboloLibwese guys, don't spread the rumor. J20 and J35 are designed by China. China can't copy them through air as there is no physical sample on hand.
@alexlee7403Ай бұрын
J16D won against US F18EG in recent electronic warfare confrontation in SCS..
@MichaelWan-s3c3 ай бұрын
This is Chinese alaways do: improved copy. They don't simply copy it. They will only copy the best parts of you. Improve the parts they don't like. That is why J16 is for sure better Su 30.
@snowlee-ml7rr3 ай бұрын
improved copy is ability, most country do not have this ability.
@jason114113 ай бұрын
spot on
@SengpoSatbang2 ай бұрын
J16 is better than the Su35, which is the latest and best Flankers from Russia. It has PL21, the longest range A2S missile Endian SU30 is old and decrepit.. Flown by the worst pilot in the world.. endian pilot. The endian SU30 stands no chance against J16.
@RezkyBahaАй бұрын
Terbaik kalo sudah di uji di Medan perang. Bukan di atas kertas seperti f22 😂😂@@SengpoSatbang
我帮你翻译成英文 ---》Aside from aerodynamic layout and appearance, which are indeed well-regarded in the Su-30, there is no resemblance between the two aircraft internally. The radar, avionics, engines, and weapon systems are completely different-essentially, they are two entirely different fighter jets.
@yau76392 ай бұрын
@@LH1xx excellent translation
@MaboloLibweseАй бұрын
They are not different planes. If what you are saying was the basis for differentiating things, the Indians could say the same thing about the Su30MKI which they have loaded with electronics imported from Israel and other countries. You import Russians and reproduce Russian planes (illegally), and the Russians import no weapons from you for a very good reason. They know what they are doing and you don't
@@yau7639 The Chinese bought Su30s and made illegal developments, as they did the Mig21 and many Russian weapons. The Chinese then went to Russia and tried to buy 12 Su35S. The Russians refused, because they knew that Chinese wanted to use these planes to make hundreds more illegally. The Russians only agreed when the ChInese agreed to buy 24.
@freeworld888883 ай бұрын
Even the basic is improved , china has operated su30mkk and su30mkk2.. They were happy with them but it was out dated , the j16 is a 4.5 generation not 4 generation. It is basically like 5 generation avionic and radars and also radar absorbed paints, stealthy features are visible .. J16 is more superior to su30sm and india su30mki. .. china will have 700 J16 within the next few years, they are focus on the 6 generation while producing j20 and J35 stealth jets.
@Kullgan3 ай бұрын
The Chinese j16 is a copy of the trim down Su 30 export version...it is not in any way superior to the Su 30sm or sm2
@snowlee-ml7rr3 ай бұрын
@@Kullgan U know nothing .China is not India.
@Kullgan3 ай бұрын
@snowlee-ml7rr Yes, and India is not China, nor does Russia equate these two countries.. but the first 2 cited copies a lot from the latter... Russia doesn't share its latest innovations nor its best technologies
@clairehanna96623 ай бұрын
@@Kullgan🐸🐸🐸
@blackamber20123 ай бұрын
@@Kullganno, J16 have aesa radar and they are much better than Russian radar. Chinese put aesa radar in J10/J16/J20/JF17 and almost every kind of equipment like AA or warship, Russia can not massive product aesa radar. SU35 still use pesa radar.
@姜磊-n5h3 ай бұрын
Lol the comparison should be with F15EX not Su30. Despite appearance J16 does not share much with Su30. The internals are completely redesigned.
@ganeshmk1192 ай бұрын
*Good luck China 🇨🇳 from India 🇮🇳 indigenous is good thing over Western countries*
你的话我帮你翻译成英文 ---》The Russian electronic systems are too outdated. China acquired 24 Su-35s, but they were quickly withdrawn from elite units, similar to how the S-400 air defense systems were, and were deployed to less critical areas. While it’s undeniable that Russian industrial design is impressive, their products struggle to handle the complexities of modern warfare.
For me, Chinese j16 is more modern and fully equipts with latest avionics due Chinese airforces experiances for operating Russians su27,su30mk and su35s. Despite being called as a copycat, j16 is born couses chinese demands and born due Sukhoi made is lack for something for chinese airforces doctrin.
@l.a_e_j58943 ай бұрын
wu mao
@twintigers77863 ай бұрын
@@l.a_e_j5894 loser
@genfeng66903 ай бұрын
@@l.a_e_j5894 wu feng
@akabaigei49303 ай бұрын
@@l.a_e_j5894wow, at least find a proper reason for saying it😂
@DuChen-py7gl3 ай бұрын
@@l.a_e_j5894 SB 😂
@РоманР.ЖАй бұрын
There are a number of errors in the video. Firstly, the Su-30 should be compared with the J11. Secondly, the Su-30 engine thrust is shown as 74.5 kN (16,700 lbf) thrust each dry, while the J16 engine thrust is shown as 135 kN (30,000 lbf) with afterburner. Dry and afterburner engine thrust are different engine operating modes. I suggest the author pay more attention to the information. It is correct to compare the J16 with the Su-35, and although it is a slightly earlier development (2008), it is still possible to make a comparison. The WS-10B turned out to be close in characteristics to the Russian AL41. The AL41 (137.3 kN (30,900 lbf) with afterburner), which is only slightly superior to the Chinese engine in afterburner thrust. And later it also received a controlled thrust vector.
@desmond79143 ай бұрын
US wouldn't dare to face-off its J-16s and F-15s against the MK-30s or J-16s as the usual overly hypes and brags would be again ridiculed by the world at large. Just look at the so-called advance and cutting edge US weapons that have been fully destroyed by the Russians in Kursk.
@l.a_e_j58943 ай бұрын
wu mao
@desmond79143 ай бұрын
@@l.a_e_j5894 - TQ, it such a an excellent compliment and the idiocy of shills and trolls.
@提劍揮鼔披肝瀝膽3 ай бұрын
現代戰爭打的是體系化作戰,單獨一項武器無法改變戰局
@Frankwei-pn8wt3 ай бұрын
@@提劍揮鼔披肝瀝膽 是的 感觉乌克兰没有发挥北约武器的性能
@FangtaoZhao-gw3vy21 күн бұрын
@@l.a_e_j5894 美狗慕洋犬
@CN_MightyDragon3 ай бұрын
The picture you use is actually J16 VS J11A😂
@michaelgfyau45143 ай бұрын
There are some India su 30 too.
@tomracka81623 ай бұрын
Nah, it’s the Su 30mkk that China bought from Russia. It can still be Russian jet. And J11 is Su-27.
@myplane1503 ай бұрын
That was the dry thrust for the SU30s engine. The wet (afterburner) thrust is 27,560. Still less but significantly more than what you had.
@ahmagdy81Ай бұрын
مصر تريد چيه١٦ بديلا من صفقة السوخوي٣٠ التي تعطلت ☑️
@user-bluebird01Ай бұрын
There is huge difference in terms of performance and deliverance and power between these two. J16 is more powerful and superior to su30. . J16 is equipped with Chinese powerful engine. and electronic warfare system. Please go and make some research.
@michaelwan42683 ай бұрын
The most critical difference is: 1. Radar & Electrical devices. 2. System & platform support.
@Hugooo003 ай бұрын
J16 has far better engine.
@超陈-o5l3 ай бұрын
苏联工业之花在中国结果
@mikew4450Ай бұрын
The electronic warfare and radar technology of J16D are far beyond those of Su30, and they are not at the same level of opponents at all.
So basically J16 is shorter than SU30 0.5% give him more power to weight ratio. Small frame means less fuel wich means shortrange but weapon carrying capacity increase. The last off all instead of heavy 3d nossle jet engine J16 used advance version of Mig23 engine 😁
@NorwegianFreeTrade3 ай бұрын
I thiink J-16 is better than Su-30 or 35. Better missiles and radar
@JeremyYoung-j1tАй бұрын
J16 Maximum range is 3900km to 4500km ,get your data correct.
1 more thing we must agrees is pros and cons for every jets Russian Su30 and Chinese J16 is carrying them self good and bad, but both is totally the main reasons why westerns pilots must haves a respect
@ws-jw1tv2 ай бұрын
侧卫系列气动外形太优秀了,经过长期验证,除了外形,和俄式战机完全不同的体系。
@mythbusterthe6749Ай бұрын
China has already upgraded their SU-35 fighter they purchased from Russia with new Chinese radar and electronic suite as they could not meet China latest requirement. So how can you compared SU-30MKM to PLAAF J-16?
@verypleasantguy3 ай бұрын
Can you do a direct comparison of China's J-16 and USA's F-15EX ? Thanks !
The merit of the creation is all for Russia, but the Chinese have implemented important advances.
@jasons7251Ай бұрын
Their major differences are radar systems and the engines.
@edisononeАй бұрын
. J-16 sleeker than MKI…. .
@stonechannel3995Ай бұрын
first comparsion, 2 chinese sukhoi 🤣🤣pay attention to the PLAAF logo
@feichen-h8n3 ай бұрын
我看过俄罗斯自己的航空高级工程师写的书,他也承认j16要比su30更加优秀
@kenwu3407Ай бұрын
苏凯战机外刑真好看到现在都不落伍
@vladimirsmeianov4883 ай бұрын
Both originate of SU-27
@douginorlando62603 ай бұрын
Production rates?
@watb86893 ай бұрын
100+ units a year, able scale to 450+ unit a year. they have a few factories each can generate about 100 to 150 units per factory. per plane uses 2 jet engines, they usually have to procure 2 more for reserved for each plane. There are a couple different engine specs, production rate of a plane is really depending on the engines delivery. China can produce 2-3 thousand engines per year
@chrisp.5272Ай бұрын
The J-16 is pretty impressive, it’s a pretty formidable fighter, 65,000ft service ceiling, and improvements to avionics, AI incorporation. I think the F-15EX is the most superior 4th Gen fighter though, but sleeping on the capabilities of the J-16 and J-20’s might be a mistake. The Chinese are really really good at copying, and improving American/European design, and manufacturing abilities are superior to NATO capabilities.
@huizhao6063Ай бұрын
all the width,height,length、weight are different,so they are two type jet totally
@stephenlee7888Ай бұрын
486 VS. 14900k+4080😂
@louiedy6659Ай бұрын
They look the same.. Someone just copied from someone... Cheater!!!
@JetlineMarvelАй бұрын
haha
@iamyoda66Ай бұрын
The J16 looks like a copy 😂
@seye46Ай бұрын
中国购买了su30气动布局蓝图,全世界都知道,你很无知
@YankeeCommie15 күн бұрын
They let china produce the su 27 and they did domestically produced upgrades. But now the Russian jets are giving their 4++ and 5 gen jets the newest engine that's significantly lighter and almost twice as powerfull. The Su 35m and mig 35m will have it plus they are upgrading them with extremely light and stronger than steel composite materials making it faster, better range, and the 360° thrust vectoring giving it unmatched manuverability. American fighter pilot Gonky said he's fought every nato planes in bfm and also the su30 Malaysia has and he said the 2 best fighters he fought and he said the gap is big after these 2 was the f22 and the su30 of Malaysian airforce. He said they are like ufos
@l.a_e_j58943 ай бұрын
where are those scared cat Su-30 in Ukraine?
@RezkyBahaАй бұрын
Pesawat kalo belum pernah di uji di medan perang tak berguna dan hanya data di atas kertas tanpa bukti.
@WhZhang-hq9ccАй бұрын
中国的做法是成熟一代才会公布与此同时下一代研发已经在路上了,你对中国很无知😂😂
@pigmoonk2545Ай бұрын
5:32 - in accurate engine information. Looks like you are not a person from the aerospace industry. How can the trust vary so much between 2 similar jets? Proofread before publishing please.
@GolloTath-d1xАй бұрын
Nothing new.j 16 is a copy ofSu 30.
@bubbatennessee7531Ай бұрын
There is no comprision, one is the orginal and the other is improved copy, it is just that simple.
@zauberflote683 ай бұрын
It is a Samsung cell phone vs Vivo cell phone. No need to compare them.
@TheArtofWarChina3 ай бұрын
"It is a Samsung cell phone vs Vivo cell phone. No need to compare them." I'd would say more like Samsung vs Xiaomi
@lilizhao-vc4up3 ай бұрын
三星垃圾手机,我们只用华为,VIVO小米大部分卖给了印度穷逼
@Jose200Mota-dk9hv3 ай бұрын
A MAIOR TECNOLOGIA DO MUNDO SÓ EXISTE NA RÚSSIA É FORA DE SÉRIE.
@Zhen-Lin-CHN3 ай бұрын
🤮
@未央笑笑生3 ай бұрын
The world is always changing. Only those who can adapt to the changes can survive.
@Gmlscf2 ай бұрын
it behaviors horrible in Ukrine
@舒畅-f5qАй бұрын
The only constant in the world is constant change.
@WhZhang-hq9ccАй бұрын
继续你的无知
@naokipaul2019Ай бұрын
最强侧卫在大陆!
@nitsujnaej2 ай бұрын
One is a Russian Sukhoi Su-30, while the other is a licensed-built Chinese derivative of the Su-30 called the J-16. What is the point of making this pointless video, with an AI-generated American voice-over? KZbin is full of this kind of crap.
@WhZhang-hq9ccАй бұрын
中国只有su27特许,J16优化改进于su27
@user-bluebird01Ай бұрын
There is huge difference in terms of performance and deliverance and power between these two. J16 is more powerful and superior to su30. Please go and make some research. J16 is equipped with Chinese powerful engine.
@andbag99093 ай бұрын
Rubbish , you gave un accurate data on Engine thrust , it states each engine Thrust rate on SUKHOI SU 30 , on the other hand it states Combined Thrust Ratio on J 16 , so its not comparable lol , the truths are the SU 30 engine is more Powerfull than J 16 , and also the J 16 is the Copycat of Su 20
@stickthief48333 ай бұрын
🦠🪱
@chinkeanchong50703 ай бұрын
J16 no longer use AL31 engine thrust.
@muzzle99993 ай бұрын
what a mo ron.
@bearpolo36183 ай бұрын
You really don't know much about the J16. Go to do some research first.
There is no doubt that you must be an archaeologist.😂
@MaboloLibweseАй бұрын
The J16 was not developed by China. It is a Russian plane. Case closed. It looks like an Su27 because it is an Su27.
@MaboloLibweseАй бұрын
@@juhao356 Without us in Africa, you in China would be in trouble. The Europeans are begging, cajoling, and arm-twisting us to abandon all dealing with you, in order to be with them. They understand that if we denied you our raw materials, you would have problems the extent of which could be devastating to you. We refuse to indulge them because we have suffered under them for centuries. Their continent is built on our natural resources, that they stole, together with our labour. We have a trust in you because when were poor, and your were poor, you stood behind and beside us on principle. It would have been easier for you to side with the West in our exploitation, but you did the right thing. We African will always be grateful to you and the Soviet Union. Without you, it is likely that we would not be alive, and we would certainly be without citizenship, as the English had already deprived us of that, and were in the process of driving us into eliminative concentration camps. Therefore, I could never ever hate China, nor could I ever hate Russia. I will tread fairly where these two excellent and brotherly countries are concerned.
@preetyfacefulАй бұрын
Jahindi!
@MaboloLibweseАй бұрын
No. The B1 came before the Tu160. The B1 first flew in 1974, and went into service in 1986. The Tu160 first flew in 1981 and went into service in 1987. You are right about the F-15 being a copy of the Mig25, and the F-16 being a copy of the Mig-21 that tormented the F-4 Phantom in Vietnam
@WhZhang-hq9ccАй бұрын
😂😂😂继续你的无知
@MaboloLibweseАй бұрын
@@WhZhang-hq9cc You continue in your arrogant delusions. You are the one who knows nothing. The following is the ranking of air forces of the world for 2024: 1. United States Air Force 2. United States Navy 3. Russian Air Force 4. United States Army Aviation 5. United States Marine Corps 6. Indian Air Force 7. People's Liberation Army Air Force The people at "wdmma.o r g" deduced these rankings. Do not blame me. That is what they do for a living. They know more about this issue than either you or I do.
@MegaSunspark3 ай бұрын
It's an exact copy of the Russian SU-30 Series fighter with some customisation by China. Not even worth the comparison between the two. I'm sure some China fanboys will jump up and down about how much better the Chinese clone is but it's the same fundamental airframe and systems with the same capabilities and incapabilities. If I take an F-16 and pretend that I've created brand new and much better fighter and name it F-375, is it really a new and better aircraft? The Chinese are good at copying and pretending that their copy is much better. Most western fighters are generations ahead of anything the Russians can muster and by extension the Chinese also.
@TruthPrevail7773 ай бұрын
Oh Bhai you can't even copy. Didn't you see the comparison? The Chinese Shenyang engine has better thrust ratio compared to Sukhoi. Humare Kaveri kidhar hai. Just talk talk and no action. China is going ahead of America in many technologies. What about India Bhai. Let them develop and we should concentrate on our own RD. Instead of making fun of China like sour grapes we should do our home work.
@yuning80453 ай бұрын
It's a really buffed up version of the SU-30, kinematically it's the same but electronics wise it's not even a comparison
@subasthapa48393 ай бұрын
Average curry
@中国-e8c3 ай бұрын
Похоже тебя скопировали с бабуина , ты чем смотрел глазами или жопой , всё разное и размер планера , и двигатель , и авионика ,где ты увидел копию 😂😂😂😂, это ты от завести готов прыгать до потолка.
@ScarletDelta19963 ай бұрын
You colonialist western hyenas couldn't even defeat Houthis despite with cutting edge weapons you have,you expect you can win war against China or Russia like in hollywood,disney and nickelodeon?
@林家印-v1r3 ай бұрын
j16: AESA radar Su30: PESA radar so su30 should improve its radar at first. and also J16D is kind of F18G, you know what I mean