Complexity Of Body Did Not Happen By Chance | Mike-OH | Talk Heathen 05.27

Talk Heathen 05.27 for July 4, 2021 with Katy Montgomerie and Lloyd Evans.
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[@tonydarcy1606]

Inserting a "Creator" as the answer to all things biological, explains exactly nothing. It just moves the problem down the road. How did the creator do it ? Where did the creator come from ? etc.

[@Pawilson68]

Exactly. This is also called the argument from ignorance.

[@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot]

@@Pawilson68 It also involves a Special Pleading fallacy. Faced with natural vs. god options a theist will claim that god is an exception to the natural order without offering any evidence. Usually claiming *only* god can be eternal or *only* a god can create a unverse.

[@marasmusine]

The first step to understanding evolution might be to read a book about evolution written by an evolutionary biologist.

[@freddan6fly]

Or attend a normal school. I was taught evolution at age 14-15 and once more in more detail at age 16-18.

[@marasmusine]

@@freddan6fly Sad to say it was not taught to me by my comprehensive school in the UK in the 90s. We also had to sing Christian hymns in assembly at secondary school.

[@freddan6fly]

@@marasmusine I did also pretend to sing Xtian hymns the first 15 minutes of each school day from class 1-6. But then at class 7-9 we had scientifically educated teachers who taught us biology, chemistry and physics. Even though the teacher in chemistry did the most astonishing experiment including breaking several windows in the classroom with a "small" detonation, and burning through the masters desk with a "small" test-tube sparkler I ended up with physics as interest, and Engineering as education. No hymns in secondary school. Not even semester end in church.

[@justanotherhomosapian5101]

I think if u trying to learn evolution and know nothing about it, start by reading a high school text book on it. Much more simple to grasp as a beginner, then move on to the biologist books of evolution that go into greater detail.

[@janwoodward7360]

Just two words for those who think we are perfectly designed in gods image…..eyeglasses and hemorrhoids.

[@adamcroft80]

I can’t remember what it’s call but there’s a nerve in most animals that starts at the base of the brain goes and wraps around the heart and goes back up to the voice box. Now in most issues it’s not that much of an issue but when you look at say a giraffe the nerve it’s several metres long when it could easily be a coupe of inches and still do the same job, that doesn’t seek to be a very ‘intelligent’ design to me.

[@bokononbokomaru8156]

@@adamcroft80 laryngeal

[@vestafreyja]

@@adamcroft80 The full name is recurrent laryngeal nerve. Another not so intelligent design is the location of the human testicles. You just have to kick or knee them in the groin and while they on rolling around on the ground simply ask them if an intelligent designer would put them in such a location? Then point out that the male elephant has their testicles located safely in their body cavity. The mouse has testicles that can be moved inside their body when they are not needed for reproduction.

[@duncanbryson1167]

😟 BOTH 😟

[@anonymousjohnson976]

Yes, and the question of why did an all-knowing god put the waste disposal unit next to the recreation area.

[@mattc3510]

Recommend people watch “What Darwin never knew” a PBS doco free on KZbin. I watched that and was an atheist shortly after. It fully explains evolution with evidence and it’s eye opening. A crash course entertaining movie on evolution.

[@jonammons5882]

Aron Ra does a bunch of stuff on evolution that is great. He goes into great detail for anyone that wants it.

[@petermeichan3160]

we eat and breathe through the same tube, great design !

[@michaelmay5453]

Spermatozoa cannot survive at body temperature. It's absolutely NEEDED to reproduce but apparently not all that important to God. So the testicles have to be placed outside of the body using a complex system to keep them cool enough but not too cool except they are pretty much always too cool or too hot to function optimally. And then there is the placement, right in the place where they are likely to get constantly hammered.

[@seivaDsugnA]

Buns kill.

[@scambammer5940]

@@michaelmay5453 wait...what?

[@peterockbx]

Only if your a glutton

[@padresteve619]

As I watch this through contact lenses and reading glasses, some creationists are marveling at the human eye.

[@peterockbx]

Imagine yourself with them for a minute, then let me know what you think

[@Lupinemancer87]

If humans were indeed designed, then we are in serious need of a redesign, cuz there are so many things wrong with the way our bodies work.

[@timothybrown5999]

Yeah, like our damn appendix, can we stop having these unnecessary things?!

[@hakureikura9052]

@@timothybrown5999 yea, and those creationists? why did they have brains? they dont use 'em, they dont need them...

[@qhviananan-laul5159]

Sorry dude no receipt, no returns,

[@freakyzed8467]

@@qhviananan-laul5159 is there at least a warranty?

[@ookeekthelibrarian]

@@freakyzed8467 you don't even get a warranty when they replace bits. Never got one for my knee or the 4 joints in my back.

[@tc1817]

One of my favourite arguments against a designer is our breathing tube inconveniently located right next to our eating/drinking tube, thus causing thousands of people to choke to death every year.

[@scambammer5940]

he could have made us immortal. "Nah let em all die. They can be immortal later." - god

[@tedgrant2]

Winning the lottery seems pretty unlikely to me. So I can't believe anybody wins.

[@CronoXpono]

😂 Manchester United is garbage now...there’s no WAY they’d ever win another league title! It’s a fundamental lack of understanding that things change and CHANGE isn’t a sign of some inferiority.

[@atrahasis3899]

"Walnut, Sparrow, Monkey, Human: A Beginner's Guide to Natural Selection, by Lloyd Evans, Esq."

[@robertmontgomery8107]

I would absolutely love for these two to continue as the primary hosts of Talk Heathen. Katy and Lloyd are both wonderful, intelligent, and pleasant hosts.

[@loki6626]

Your biased because Katy's your sister.

[@twcnz3570]

And Katy has a cat!🐈‍⬛🐈🥰

[@ryanhazel7992]

I'm really starting to love Lloyd (no offence Katy; I love you too!). Recently came across an AXP(?) episode with him and Matt, and the list of timestamps was like 30 items long; between the two of them, I don''t think a single caller lasted longer than 8 minutes....Lloyd actually falls out of his chair laughing so hard at one of them!!! Friggin' riot! Keep it up, guys (et al.)!

[@bokononbokomaru8156]

Lloyd has a voice & manner that is very calming

[@scambammer5940]

@@bokononbokomaru8156 Praise the Lloyd!

[@Kardashev1]

One modern textbook on evolution is all anyone with reason needs.

[@ookeekthelibrarian]

I tell the godlings to start with Evolution for Dummies by Greg Krukonis and Tracy Barr, it has lots of pictures.

[@wwlib5390]

Darren Nicholls: HA! better add a book on magic spells so when you smack a couple of atoms of different chemical elements together randomly you will get an amoeba - but remember, you must be able to demonstrably repeat that 'great smacking'! Then, for fun and interest, smack 'm together again 3x within 30 seconds and maybe you'll come up with the missing link - 1/2 human and 1/2 something else. Or you could read and heed God's Word. John 3 16 invites you to KNOW God, not just know ABOUT Him. It's the KNOWING that changes your eternity. Have a good day.

[@ookeekthelibrarian]

@@wwlib5390 Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Ephesians 6:5, Leviticus 25:44-46, Exodus 21:20-21, Titus 2:9-10, 1 Timothy 6:1, Exodus 21:1-36, Exodus 21:7, Exodus 21:8, Exodus 22:2-3 , Exodus 21:6.

[@Kardashev1]

@@wwlib5390 You should be embarrassed being this ignorant.

[@wwlib5390]

@@ookeekthelibrarian I suppose you work at a job to pay your rent and buy food and stuff. Too bad you're still a slave - but at least you are a slave of your own free will. Isn't that funny? Your whole life spent in servitude just to live - and you accept that as part of the economic system we live in - I would say you have found the similarity between the 'then' and the 'now' and it all has to do with evolution of society - an evolution 6,000 years in the making. Have a good day. PS John 3 16 STILL applies to you personally.

[@hansj5846]

Perfectly designed.... childbirth debunks that notion instantly

[@1harperaj]

To the caller, it`s amazing how a number of chemicals and a bunch of electrons make us all, you have a brain go and use it to learn. Just for the record, if we are designed then it was a crap job, research would confirm this with basic biology

[@warren52nz]

*_Denying evolution is the fastest way to lose an argument!_* He may as well deny gravity!

[@realandar]

So you don't understand science, therefore gawd makes sense? Katy, very articulate, smart, and well said.

[@blueinfinite5940]

Love your calico cat, Katy!! 🐱

[@smequals]

Talk Heathen with Katy and Lloyd is an absolute joy!! Well done!!

[@craighughes536]

No one ever thinks of the period of time elapsed as the earth and human have evolved.. 4.5 billion years for... Katy hit the nail on the head l...

[@tukicat1399]

We look at the end result.. not the start

[@ericwilliams1659]

@Victor Smit I assume they meant to say look at the "current" results

[@tukicat1399]

@Victor Smit i agree.. but the comment was a little pedantic

[@scambammer5940]

I think of that all the time. It's a critical point. It proves that the earth was not created for humans.

[@ragg232]

"Random chance seems so slim" Think of sediment going through a sieve. You can have all kinds of small pieces of rocks and minerals going into the sieve but only the smallest grains will be sifted out. The rocks and minerals are the organisms in this case while the sieve is the selection pressures, such as predators, local climate and food availability.

[@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot]

Evolution is not a random process. A slight transcription error is either beneficial, neutral, or harmful to survival. Natural selection pressure results in beneficial mutations being propagated over time in the population.

[@supertouring22]

I think Mike is still at walnut in his evolutionary journey

[@michaelcannon2224]

Hey it's Mike from Ohio, lol, I am that caller. I have to agree with you. When I left christianity I still believed in the divine, I just knew that christianity was not the only path, so I did all my own personal research in only theology and history as I was seeking the divine, and another path, long story short, which is why I became a pagan/heathen, Germanic polytheist, or norse pagan. You know, I never thought about researching science for answers to questions I had. So, like I promised Lloyd and Katy, I got a book titled "Human Evolution" by Charles Rivers Publishers. Should be a quick read, only 55 pages, so then I should have a base understanding when I go researching the resources, references, and further reading recommendations listed in this book. I watch Talk Heathen because, it may sound strange, but I find community with atheist because I too deny we need jesus for any type of salvation due to a myth about a talking snake, and I deny the bible as the word of the one true god. I have always been a seeker of truth, I just never thought about finding truth in science. : )

[@scambammer5940]

@@michaelcannon2224 "pagan/heathen, Germanic polytheist, or norse pagan." you might have left out a few

[@michaelcannon2224]

@@scambammer5940 The word pagan comes from the latin word paganus which was used around 4th century by early christians for people in the Roman empire who lived in rural areas and still practiced polytheistic ethnic religions, or the "old ways. Today the word pagan has become very eclectic to include faiths other than abrahamic, ie wicca. The word Heathen refers to someone who practices one specific ethnic belief. Germanic polytheism and Norse Paganism are the same belief as the religion of the Germanic peoples, prior to the forced conversion of the roman catholic church. As the christianization spread through Europe some of the last countries to be christianized were Norway, Iceland, and the Germanic polytheism became Norse, in a nutshell. I hope that helps you.

[@scambammer5940]

@@michaelcannon2224 I don't think that is what "heathen" means. If Germanic polytheism and Norse Paganism are the same thing (which I doubt) there is no need to list both of them.

[@scambammer5940]

@@michaelcannon2224 "Heathen" 1 : an unconverted member of a people or nation who does not acknowledge the God of the Bible. 2 : an uncivilized or irreligious person.

[@erraticsojourner9310]

Katy has TRANScended into a beautiful person

[@chrisnorniron]

The Union Flag in the thumbnail is upside down.

[@FourDeuce01]

"Random chance just seems too slim." But an imaginary god you can't prove doesn't seem slim at all. :p

[@Arbadee.PayZaLee]

One theory for the appendix is, it acts as a storehouse for good bacteria, “rebooting” the digestive system after something some illness from eating poisonous plants or rotting meat which might cause diarrhea! That is why if our appendix ruptures we can die from the "explosion" of bacteria into our system and become septic very quickly.

[@enomiellanidrac9137]

When will they learn that it's not random? We can even ask if true randomness exist since everything in this universe is bound by causality.

[@Sherralyn]

There's a great book called "Why evolution is true" by Jerry Coyne. I'm pretty much a pea brain when it comes to science, though I love the subject. I also watch Aron Ra. Great subject matter presented for the lay person. Funny she should mention teeth. We have the same dentition as any great ape. But we no longer need those powerful jaws, so our jaws have become smaller. That's the reason many folks have trouble with wisdom teeth. Residual hair ? Same thing. It goes on and on

[@jarodcarnarvon5198]

We are designed as well as fearfully and wonderfully made...... We fart We burp We shit We piss We cough We fart We got bad breath in the morning But yep, we are designed, fearfully and wonderfully made, LOL Oh..... We also sneeze and puke LOL

[@warren52nz]

Here's something to consider if you want to get a grip on how long life has been evolving on Earth. It's about 3.5 billion years but that's just a number to most people; it's nearly impossible to grasp. Think of it this way (I've done the math): If you started counting at a rate of 3 numbers per second and did nothing else; no sleeping, eating or anything, 24 hours a day it would take a bit more than *_35 years to get the number 3.5 billion!_* Now think of *_EVERY ONE_* of those numbers that you spent half of your life counting as a *_whole year!_* That's how long life has been evolving. And a lot can happen when offspring are slightly different to their parents and everything is competing for limited resources for that mind blowing amount of time. Keep that in mind when you try to say life couldn't get this complex without a designer. Class dismissed. 8^)

[@exiled_londoner]

Whenever I hear the phrase "it just seems to me..." I know that what we are about get is yet another argument from ignorance and incredulity. I don't understand how any moderately intelligent or educated person could utter these words without being aware of how illiterate, ignorant, and mind-numbingly stupid they sound. In any debate about matters of fact (as opposed to mere opinions) then the statement "it just seems to me" is completely irrelevant as it would only be said by someone who was unable to martial any actual evidence to support their position. No reasonable person would be (or should be) convinced of an argument merely because someone else claims that "it just seems to me" to be so.

[@musiclover9361]

That was great!

[@Brammy007a]

For a guy who has listened to Matt, he is curiously still one big argument from ignorance.

[@2robdot]

He’s assuming that humans went from zero,to human. And ignoring the thousands of steps In between. Like the eye argument. He’s assuming that the eye went from zero,to eye. Very complex systems can be built one piece at a time.

[@elainejohnson6955]

Katy did a great job!

[@allyfrenyay9944]

Argument from Incredulity

[@michaelmay5453]

It sure didn't, it took trillions of smaller mutations and that's not to mention the trillions that just killed the organism, to get to our ape like ancestor, then about the same amount to get to us. Mutations is the random thingy (but not really as any biochemist, wait... I'm a biochemist, will tell you) and natural selection is the determining factor of whether a mutation survives. If it's beneficial or at the very least not detrimental to a point where it hinders procreation, it will be passed on. Now, all of these mutations, all of this changing environment all plays a part in this, now give it 3.5 BILLION YEARS and it's pretty much inevitable.

[@andrwblood9162]

I really hate the word 'complexity' when brought up in these conversations. It's such a ill-defined term and the only unifying concept that I see different creationists apply is "That which appears intelligently made." So, to me, arguing that things are naturally complex is a pointless struggle. Creationists (of all beliefs), I have a question. Have you considered that humans don't inherently know something is nature? Is it maybe we can only compare airplanes to birds that we can see a difference? And thus, maybe examples of uncreated things are necessary to establish the idea of a created one?

[@freakyzed8467]

Yeah, complex or simple is purely opinion. I throw them off by just saying DNA is simple. They flip out when you do that!

[@pabstep2611]

@Mike: A good resource against any intelligent design argument is Abby Hafer's "The Not-So-Intelligent Designer". You will find plenty of examples why, as Katy pointed out, "intelligent" design is completely off the table. If anything, it's really really bad design. My hair dresser just told me, when I asked her why male humans (and other mammals for that matter) had nipples, that god had to give Adam nipples so that Eve, being made from Adam, could also have them ... 'nough said.

[@eviltwin2322]

The thing that's really pissing me off is that KZbin's algorithm keeps throwing ads for religious groups at me during these videos! Do better, KZbin! And maybe ease off a little on ads of any kind: you're making videos on your site unwatchable, you won't get any revenue at all if people stop using your service.

[@colinmaclaughlanweir9670]

The religious groups pay to send you their adds to tell the way to "truth" LOL

[@Eyrie007]

Bro, it's a sign from god! 🤣😂

[@eviltwin2322]

@@Eyrie007 Hallelulah!!! 🤣

[@eviltwin2322]

@@colinmaclaughlanweir9670 🤣

[@marcusreading3783]

Dunno why thats a problem. It just means that religious groups are paying Athiest creators.

[@andybrace9225]

Cute cat Katy

[@KatyMontgomerie]

She says thanks 😸

[@RozzieBass]

KITTY!!!!!!

[@Enkidu-4U]

This reminds me of a thought experiment I like to do. If you had a chance to ask God a question, what would you ask? Most answers to this question run the normal gambit. "Where did you come from?" "Why did you create everything?" What is the purpose of life?" Me. My question is easy. Didn't take long to come up with this. "God, why did you create mosquitoes, bedbugs, fleas, ticks, parasites, flesh eating bacteria, viruses. The whole gambit of things that want to drink our blood and infect us with disease. What was the thinking there? Were you trying to F#%& with us? The only thing we can take from this thought experiment is that our world is not perfect. The universe is not perfect. All life on this planet dies everyday thru no fault of its own. 99% of all life to ever appear on this planet has went extinct. Died off. Died out. If life is as precious as religion claims. The universe seems to disagree. This planet seems to disagree. Evolution seems to disagree.

[@JoshuaWillis89]

Is this the international version of Talk Heathen? 😂 I suppose if you can’t film in the studio anyway, might as well start booking hosts from other continents.

[@nikolatesla5553]

The conclusion that complex living organisms must be the result of a greater complex being poses a conundrum. What or who created that complex being? And so on. It creates a bigger and infinitely more difficult question to address.

[@wwlib5390]

Nikola Tesla: And when you address those difficult questions, seeking every available resource, including the Bible, you just might find God is your answer after all. John 3 16 invites you to KNOW God, not just know ABOUT Him. Have a good day.

[@marcusreading3783]

Well obviously GAWD is eternal and has always existed! Yeah, you just end up with special pleading with no good reason given as to why Yaweh is the special one and not, say, Chaos who birthed Gaia and Uranus or any of the other thousands of different primordial Gods created by Humans throughout history.

[@fekinel]

Imagine what a world without a god would be like,.. now, look around you..notice anything?..

[@pennydove1819]

I think humans should have developed like the marsupials. It would certainly take care of the abortion issue. And when we are done having children, we could have the pouch surgically removed.

[@freakyzed8467]

A skin pouch would be a great place to keep my phone and keys. I am keeping mine!

[@freddan6fly]

For you who live in USA, Tim Minchin says it well in the clip "Americans and evolution". (What we think about the denial of a whole field of science)

[@anonymousjohnson976]

I'm not a believer, but I have never really received an answer of how did the trees, fruits and vegetables evolve.

[@alamunez]

That’s a shame. How hard have you tried to find answers? Because it’s fairly simple to google it.

[@marcusreading3783]

The...same way as everything else? Theres nothing special about plants compared with animals you know.

[@afroatheist-isnowafroantit6154]

Thus was funny.....😆

[@SC-zq6cu]

Ah yes, another one ignorant enough to believe "its either by chance or by design".

[@ookeekthelibrarian4018]

If it's not by design for a non intelligent occurrence then what is the third option? LOL

[@SC-zq6cu]

@@ookeekthelibrarian4018 Ever heard of non-intelligent deterministic processes ?

[@SC-zq6cu]

@@ookeekthelibrarian4018 Nice fake account btw. Didn't know the librarian got under your skin so hard that you had to make a fake account of that guy just to get back at him lol.

[@ookeekthelibrarian4018]

@@SC-zq6cu it's not a fake account it's a real account. And people don't get under my skin, I get under people's skin that's why they have to cry to KZbin and try to get someone's account suspended out of frustration. Not that I mind because it takes me less time to come back then it does for someone to try and keep reporting me to their fellow communist comrades because they can't stand getting destroyed in a debate. I had to keep my word I told him after he told me repeatedly he reported me for hate thought for example the idea that I didn't agree with his Faith based belief in transgenderism being proven by the scientific method. Or maybe he reports me for hate if I don't agree with his white supremacist position that indigenous people of color should be thrown off of their indigenous land because white people in Israel make the claim that God told Moses the land belongs to them, kind of strange that atheists are so overwhelmingly Zionist when they reject the only claim zionists have for Israel and that claim is God told Moses the land belongs to them. Of course this proves that atheists are so overwhelming resign this because they're white supremacist. But don't get me wrong they hate white Christians almost as much as they hate black people well I won't get that crazy but they don't like white Christians either Anyway I had to keep my word and come back with a certain name and spread the truth about what atheism is

[@SC-zq6cu]

@@ookeekthelibrarian4018 "it's not a fake account it's a real account. And people don't get under my skin, I get under people's skin that's why they have to cry to KZbin and try to get someone's account suspended out of frustration." Is that why you are afraid to use your own name ? Or are you using librarians name because you can't really counter what he says so you have to resort to making him look stupid by saying stupid stuff and pretending you're him ? "Not that I mind because it takes me less time to come back then it does for someone to try and keep reporting me to their fellow communist comrades because they can't stand getting destroyed in a debate." Ooh, I can cook a year's worth of meal with that much salt. "I had to keep my word I told him after he told me repeatedly he reported me for hate thought for example the idea that I didn't agree with his Faith based belief in transgenderism being proven by the scientific method. " Oh so you mean you can't actually prove that transgenderism isn't real so you had to go with "I didn't agree" instead. And then just because you were so salty that you couldn't prove it you had to strawman it as "faith based". LOL, the salt is real. "Or maybe he reports me for hate if I don't agree with his white supremacist position that indigenous people of color should be thrown off of their indigenous land because white people in Israel make the claim that God told Moses the land belongs to them, kind of strange that atheists are so overwhelmingly Zionist when they reject the only claim zionists have for Israel and that claim is God told Moses the land belongs to them. " Kind of stupid of you to think that anecdotes prove anything. But I guess that's the ceiling of christian "logic". "Of course this proves that atheists are so overwhelming resign this because they're white supremacist. But don't get me wrong they hate white Christians almost as much as they hate black people well I won't get that crazy but they don't like white Christians either Anyway I had to keep my word and come back with a certain name and spread the truth about what atheism is" Or what you actually mean is that "Ook eek the librarian" smoked you in an youtube conversation so hard that you had to resort to these kinds of childish name-grabbing tactics to try and slander him elsewhere. Otherwise, if he really said something stupid you could've just said that using your own name, or some other random name. You didn't really need his name just to say the truth. But trying to slander him does require that. But I really wouldn't put it past christians to try and approach any issue dishonestly. As I had said before, lying is your kinds bread and butter.

[@capthavic]

Show me someone who thinks the human body is finely tuned and I'll show you someone who knows sweet FA about human biology.

[@nagranoth_]

That's right... it didn't happen by chance. It happened by natural selection. All the obvious flaws are kind of a dead giveaway.

[@Boris99999]

If complexity of life means it was created - then what does it say about the Creator? I mean if he is more complex than life - then he was created, if he is less complex then you’re proving evolution as that’s basically what evolution is all about - less complex things create more complex things!

[@vladtepes7539]

maybe if you wouldve resetted the universe simulator a few more thousand times, life would spontaneously result from one the constitutions? aka that would mean you just need lotsa potential tries at a universe n somewhen stuff would come along. how you prove life comin upon by non chance is the way more groundbreaking thing to note tho. also, sorry my slurry tune i have atm, still in the process of realizin dealin with whats sorta gods of recreation creation in lab conditions.

[@bogoney]

The commercial was much better and on the nose . He said you were idiots .

[@techbench2840]

Eridu Genesis, we were created, genetically combined EARTH (Great Ape-Homo Erectus) and that of one of the God's (Igigi Alien humanoid race) and They created man in THEIR image. First successful created humans were called Adapa, both male and female

[@blknitenca]

Glad MAtt isn't on the show because he would be insulted..lol

[@anette2538]

Sjubidua 🇩🇰🙄😂😂😂

[@HarryNicNicholas]

creation and evolution are two different things, talking about abiogenesis and then evolution and natural selection, er, ain't right, two different things.

[@aierce]

He's right it didn't happen by chance, evolution isn't chanced based. Natural selection is the guiding hand to random mutations.

[@williamtarry4405]

The design of the human body evolved over millions of years to fit the environment in which we currently live. So, humans have been "fine tuned" to survive on this planet. 😊

[@williamtarry4405]

@@exceptionallyaverage3075 I would say "Thank Darwin for his efforts helping drive our understanding of evolution."

[@HarryNicNicholas]

creationists strike me as people who WANT to be stupid. if you look back through history every single instance of something that has been attributed to the supernatural has been show to have a natural explanation, life might be a bit weird, but no one can deny we are made of atoms, molecules, organic matter, we are not some supernatural ghostly material no one can explain. the old favourite lightning was once thought of as special, now we now it's the same stuff as in that light bulb over my head, rain - it's just water. making sacrifices to - whatever - we have stopped doing that, most people in the west wouldn't sacrifice their kids for a better corn flakes crop. EVERY flipping instance demonstrates that there is no superpower, no sky daddy, directing things, everything so far has been a part of nature, why do the nit wits insist on making themselves look and sound like they were dropped on their head, recently??

[@johnshyer6287]

Like all the others, put down the bible and pick up a biology book. READ, don't just follow ignorance with more ignorance. IF we were designed, the creator was the worst possible designer.

[@michaelcannon2224]

Hey John, its Mike from Ohio, I am that caller, lol.: ) I am a pagan/heathen, meaning I don't have a bible, and I deny the bible as the word of a holy god, and I dont believe we need jesus for any type of salvation based on a desert myth about a talking snake. But you are correct, I have only done my own individual research in theology and history, and never in science/biology. But like I promised Lloyd and Katy I did get a book titled Human Evolution by Charles Rivers Editors. Should be a quick read, only 55 pages, so that should give me a base understanding when I go into researching the references and further reading suggestions in this book. I have always been a seeker of truth, just never thought about searching for truth in science. Thank you for the suggestion : )

[@johnshyer6287]

@@michaelcannon2224 Good, more education means less misunderstanding. Too many people think man just popped up one day, and don't understand the evolutionary process.

[@michaelcannon2224]

@@johnshyer6287 Thank you John : )

[@yungfulla]

It's a pity Katy is not up to date with research and isn't aware of the use of the appendix in humans. I suppose it's easy to state that something is made wrong and she (Katy) could do a better job of designing it, when that statement is never going to be put to the test. Even protozoa, single celled organisms were considered to be simple but with the advent of technology scientists know how complex they are. DNA is amazingly complex and is the best information storage system known to mankind. We cannot make it ourselves. The list of examples of complexity too advanced to be accidental is overwhelming

[@FourDeuce01]

Another religious apologist tries the Truth By Assertion tactic. :/

[@yungfulla]

The Bible explains quite clearly why we see a creation groaning for its' Creator and Katy's teeth being a problem. The world was made perfect and man corrupted it. If anyone wants to find out why read the book of Genesis in the Bible. (only not The New World version put out by Watch Tower Press). Bible Society Bibles, Nelson and Zondervan publishers should give a person good quality translations

[@garyryan7852WR]

Well if you had something anything changing into something else you might have something . But you don't have that . Yes intelligent designed . And we might be the first design in which would not be the best design . Your mind needs to understand that nothing is turning into something totally different. This is millions of years ( acording to you ) we are in right now and nothing is turning or changing . .

[@sunsetpalms1923]

What Katy is saying is she can think of *improvements* on the human animal. She would have a mouth that doesn't bite it's tongue. That's not a design, it's an improvement on an existing structure. And this only exists in her mind. If she were to try to actually design and build it she would fail miserably.

[@werriboy55]

The old "we can't do it now so god musta dunnit" Argument from Ignorance Logical Fallacy. Good to see the Classic's revived.

[@OmnivorousReader]

If I can see a clear way in which my dental equipment would work better (and trust me, I can, many MANY improvements ) then it is not the best possible design, which pretty much disproves intelligent 'perfect' design right there.

[@vapx0075]

"Either we were designed by an idiot, or by someone who was having a laugh." XD