Composites vs Normal WHICH SIDE OF THE FENCE?

In this video, I photograph Herd Groyne Lighthouse in a Fine art style. Some viewers might not like it!
Last week I visited the incredible Herd Groyne Lighthouse. It's my first visit to the location. It's an incredible place and one I shall definitely return to.
I arrived at sunset so I could recce the area ready for the following morning. Herd Groyne Lighthouse is on the East coast of England, therefore, making it a sunrise location. Photographing sunrise locations at sunset and vice versa is something I very often do. I frequently find that working the opposite way around can sometimes produce incredible results. Sadly, that evening wasn't going to be such an occasion. The light just wasn't good. The sky to the west was covered in clouds and obviously wasn't going to produce any nice light. Because of this, I had an idea.
A MARMITE VIDEO!
I thought rather than waste the night, what if I photographed each element and created a composite? so I did!
In this video, you will see me take pictures at sunset to use as a composite and then I attack the location at sunrise the following morning in my normal way.
Some of you will like the results from my otherwise wasted time there and some will definitely not.
Which side of the fence are you on?
Enjoy the video and please leave a comment
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[@RM831BC4E4]

Hey GG, Firstly, don’t ever apologise for being able to produce the standard of photography/photography manipulation that you deliver week on week. Having the vision and ability to do what “YOU” do and are extremely successful at is an Art. You won’t ever please everyone, that doesn’t me you should feel you have to justify your work. If others choose to leave your KZbin, then it’s down to personal preference not because of you or your ability. Your knowledge, experience, Photoshop vision and skills is something to be proud off. Your work is honest and true to the style you have adapted and deliver on a continuous basis. Keep doing what “YOU” do best and that is sharing work of a very very high standard. Richie

[@GaryGough]

Very kind as always Richie xx

[@RM831BC4E4]

@@GaryGough Always get the truth from me. Thought I’d P’d you off. Wasn’t sure.

[@donna.downey]

Love this video Gary! What a joy to watch you working a scene with your enthusiasm and being able to see how you process what lies before you. I see nothing wrong with manipulating a shot at all as long as you aren't presenting it as "fact". Painters have always painted what they saw in their "mind's eye" and we praise them for it. I love what you did... amazing! Another great video! Thank you!

[@GaryGough]

Agree totally Donna, cheers 👍👍

[@MrPhotofan]

Gary, I love your pictures and your videos, it's much of joy to see your creative path. I've no problems with manipulating pictures, I see it as a creative process and in my eyes it is art. There is only one exception: photos in a journalistic context.

[@GaryGough]

Agree totally 👍👍

[@garrydelday5816]

I have just recently had a go at my first ever fine art shot of a ship grounded on a beach in Orkney after following your vlogs for a couple of years. Fine art is all about manipulation in my opinion. In my shot I smoothed out the water using a filter and long exposure, that in itself is not a true reflection of what i was looking at, so it is manipulated. Fine art is all about creativity and as far as I’m concerned a licence to do what you like 🤔 replacing sky, removing distractions, adding things in or moving items. How far you go with it is up to the “artist” I love your fine art work. The sunrise shots were a true reflection of what you were seeing and were stunning Gary 👌

[@DStewart521]

Love your videos. If someone doesn't like your form of art so be it. Do what you enjoy, it makes your videos great.

[@darrenleigh201]

Wonderful! Thanks for sharing!

[@GaryGough]

Cheers 👍👍

[@randyschwager2515]

Fabulous! Honesty is always the best policy! Great job today! Your sunrise is beautiful!

[@desgardner4627]

It was a happy ending Gary well done! Thank you.

[@garymorgan8945]

Hi Gary, I live in South Shields and the sea/river never washes over the groyne - maybe in a year or two 😬 There are nice sun-rise compositions from the dunes adjacent to where you shot, and also from the quayside adjacent to the derelict wooden jetty you mentioned. Great vid, keep up the great work.

[@markstephenson9367]

Really enjoy your videos Gary, I live in South Shields and have photographed the lighthouse many times as it's such a great subject but always struggle with the composition because of its position so I think the process works, it's about getting the best image you can. Unfortunately the tide never gets high enough to cover the pier. Keep up the good work....

[@mainline464]

Love the composite image. Super sunrise images

[@iwanderphotography]

Loved it Gary, your sunset images were stunning..

[@mauricebawden9561]

Much as I admire your processing, for me the morning shots are magical. Thanks Gary.

[@nickyfoulkes8476]

What's the problem as long as you are honest about the art. People are aware it is a composite. It is your art. A1 images & I admire your skills, which are beyond me. Well done that man. I think all the breakwater lighthouses suffer from the same problems. The Brixham Breakwater Lighthouse is better photographed from Fishcombe.

[@GaryGough]

Very kind as always Nicky xx

[@parkay3560]

indeed and if I may be controversial, an image you took in camera and manipulated has more validity than typing four words in a free internet AI art creator and claiming you created it when the AI program did and claiming credit for it in forums.

[@bryanashford5118]

Your photography is A1 amazing work well detailed and well explained the photo of the moved lighthouse I think is better and prefer it cant wait for the next adventure

[@GaryGough]

Kind of you to say Bryan, cheers 👍👍

[@Martinez_Photos]

Oh my goodness! You are creating art. I don't see a problem.

[@GlenBarnett]

Only just come across your channel Gary and I’m hooked. I love your ‘no nonsense’ teaching style, and the fact that you’re a DSLR user! Subscribed!

[@JohnHPettigrewFujishooter67]

For me Gary the second sunrise shot is the winner, but on the note of sky replacement, I have been replacing the sky in some of my images lately, mainly because I did an all day epic hike (very strenuous ) and on that day I had blue sky with lots of haze, so I experimented and was quite surprised. I am sure there are lots of images out there with sky replacements, and I am sure if a client asked a pro for an image with a certain sky they would create that image.At the end of the day it is all subjective and there is nothing wrong with some fum or experimentation. Awesome content as always.

[@glynl451]

My home town, born and raised in South Shields, still living here too, great video Gary Ps, the water never comes over the top unless its stormy

[@harry4323]

Absolutely brilliant you know what you want, and you do it so refreshing to see how you complete the photo great video Gary keep them coming you always go against the grain but do it so well

[@sarahbatsford4791]

Amazing shots, great video at a comfy down to earth pace. The stitched outcome was fabulous.

[@GaryGough]

Many thanks!

[@nottoh]

Great video of a wonderful subject Gary.

[@shaunduke7064]

Welcome to South Sheilds👍 never seen the water that high, may need a good storm to bring some water over, great sunrise shot .

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Shaun. 👍👍

[@jimogjimog]

Gary really liked the last morning shot, beautiful. Quality video as usual. The pace of your videos is one of the reasons I watch them.

[@peteg330]

What a great video Gary. So nice to see an artist experimenting with their work. If you don't experiment you don't learn new trick or techniques. If people unsubscribe, after you explained enough times what you are doing, then more fool them for missing out on stella content!

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Peter 👍👍

[@chrisburnard5157]

Thank you for another great video, learning experience and inspiration Gary.

[@robbieallcock]

Fantastic Gary, particularly love the colour sunset one & the first sunrise one mate👌

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Robbie 👍👍

[@hachewie]

The sunrise shots are beautiful. Much better than the composite image. The leading lines of the pathway are excellent.

[@GaryGough]

Cheers 👍👍

[@markjutsum6187]

Great location Mr G. Sunrise does it for me.MJ

[@martingjsmith]

Personally, I think it's a wonderfull image!!

[@nicksaunders106]

Hi Gary love the sunrise shot

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Nick 👍👍

[@paulbell9957]

You're a PS genius mate, that image looked amazing. Your sunrise images were pretty sweet too. Thoroughly enjoyable as always mate 👍👍

[@cathoutdoors523]

A very interesting video Gary. I love the sunrise shot. Amazing what you can do these days. 👍😊🙏

[@GaryGough]

Thanks Cath 👍👍

[@cathoutdoors523]

@@GaryGough You're very welcome Gary. Have a great day. 👍😊

[@parkay3560]

well, as someone who has followed you for years-you are one of my photographic heroes, I would never leave the channel- though two years ago I thought you'd kick me off it when I accidentally met you during the Flying Scotsman video you were making at the Ribblehead viaduct LOL I remember saying to my mate- I'm sure thats Gary Gough....he is my photographic hero and you turned round and said yes, its me LOL Anyhow. WONDERFUL video( not shouting but no italics in you tube) if ever I get down about my photography I watch one of your videos and know anything is possible. regards and respect-Kenny

[@randybelaire8439]

For entertainment purposes; well considered me entertained. 😀 Great video, Gary.

[@MrsMinx50]

Another great video Gary and very interesting loved what you created very clever it's good to play around at least your honest I'm in a small group who have done the same for fun and it definitely wouldn't stop me from watching 👍👌

[@antonoat]

Really great job Gary. You exploited the situation to make the most of the elements you could control, surely this is what any artist should do if “they” feel it’s appropriate, the decision has to be with the creator, if some don’t like it then they can just move along! I always enjoy your films and your photography, perhaps I’m biased 🍾😉😀 You are an original and a very skilled photographer, thanks for sharing what you do! 👏👍😀

[@GaryGough]

Very kind as always, cheers 👍👍

[@shaungoddard8417]

Hi Gary, this video & the content is excellent my friend. I honestly believe that those unsubscribed followers don't really understand the work you produce not just as a photographer but also an artist. Had they taken the time to take a good look at the work on your channel they may have had second thoughts about there comments & choice to unsubscribe. Your work is very inspiring & the advice you offer is second to non. I am a novice hobbyist photographer who likes to capture images of what i want to see & then when i want to i will post process to see if i can be a little more creative or produce some fine art. Keep up your fantastic Gary & for those who unsubscribed it is there loss my friend

[@moinnoori3456]

music changed the mood of whole video🔥🤗

[@andyjsmith1981]

Enjoyed that Gary, I really don't care about whether people replace skies etc as long as they are honest about their art. Pic 3 on the sunrise shots was my fave I think but what a sunrise you got! Superb! 👍🏻

[@simoncooper7506]

wow ,thanks gary, great vlog, those last 2 images with the sun rising are top notch. I liked the composite, but much preferred the 2 last images. Have you tried covering the tarmac with some rugged rocks in the 2nd composite image? Think that would look cool. Cheers gary, I don't usually comment but can see all the work you put into this.

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Simon. Great idea re the rocks btw 👍👍

[@tyroneentwistle634]

Brilliant imagery Gary, love your style, and as said earlier as long as you are honest with folk which you always are if they don't like that's up to them. Thanks for all the knowledge you pass on to us.

[@malcbawn.photos]

The tide never covers the pier, however that's never stopped me getting some cracking images Gary. You could have popped into the word in the market square and bought one.

[@clarkbarrow6750]

Excellent work, as always Gary. I liked your created image but I liked the sunrise image where the sun was just coming up the best. It’s your photography, your channel, and your fine art creation, so do what you want. I enjoy seeing whatever you create. Nice video! 🙂

[@britishrose9417]

I love how people get SO upset about things that don't matter - if you don't like composite (I don't!) then don't do it! Simple as... If you want to do it then go do it, but you don't have to get upset about it! - Sunrise number 2 is perfect BTW :)

[@GaryGough]

Agree totally. You know what some people are like though 😁😁

[@davebryer6133]

I really liked the sunrise images, very nice. I also liked the music you choose with the Gulls in it. I often say a picture is worth a 1000 words, but it does not capture the experience of taking the photo. It does not convey the smells and sounds, the heat or cold, the feel of the wind, etc. But the birds in the music truly added to the images.

[@doreenhart2732]

Hi Gary, I live local, I'm just over in North Shields, I have never saw or heard of the water going over the top, but I wish it would lol...its a lovely spot, but yes very awkward to photograph. Love Yr work.

[@Cue1477]

Great work as always Gary Thank you for sharing.

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Robert 👍👍

[@tamtait]

Enjoyed this vlog, I’m on both camps I first & foremost like too catch the scene as is but also like trying composite’s being creative with the imagination & creating art which I think as long as you’re honest with your work. Keep up the good work & thanks for the entertainment 👍🏻

[@keithsayles8050]

What a brilliant video Gary - I thoroughly enjoyed it, and what superb photographs you produced. I thought the composite photo was amazing - perhaps too advanced for me re the Photoshop side of things, but the Sunrise photos, especially the last shot are absolutely fabulous. Great Video Gary - something for everyone.

[@Mozzer209]

Wow!

[@jneihart2]

Brilliant work Ben!

[@rosssayer6524]

Loved the location Gary and really enjoyable video as always. Sometimes it’s hard to understand how some people think, to me it’s art, if you want to do a composite then that’s it. I thought your 1st sunrise image was a cracker. Have a nice week

[@victorcarmelo8606]

I’ve never used PS and whatever you feel about the software, in the right hands beautiful images can be created. Lovely and very enjoyable video. Thanks.

[@lisasimpson9343]

I don't mind composites, I can appreciate them but I prefer normal. If everyone had the same style it would be incredibly boring. Loved the last image of the sunrise, gorgeous.

[@joewelsh1804]

You are spending a lot of time in my neck of the woods. Not surprised, it's a great area. Don't forget to apply for a "Geordie passport". Blyth one week and Tyne the next. The tides never cover the feet of that groyne. Strong North Easterly wind may push waves over it, but that won't help the "Fine Art" image. Enjoying the videos, keep it up.

[@GaryGough]

Cheers for the info Joe 👍👍

[@steviecrypt]

I really liked the sunset version. I'd have been pleased if that were mine...

[@GaryGough]

Cheers 👍👍

[@ilesmic]

Like your sunrise shots-- It would have been nice to see the 2nd of the 3 sunrise shots with textured water-- that was my overall favorite of the 3-- Great Video

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Michael 👍👍

[@larrylato1]

Tremendously tremendous!!

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Larry 👍

[@rayatherton3225]

Another great video,so much to learn

[@GaryGough]

Thanks Ray 👍👍

[@lindaw5890]

Fantastic images - composited or not. I'm jealous of your PS talents. :-)

[@599miata]

Great photos Gary.

[@iainscott1289]

Gary, the buildings over on north bank of the Tyne were Knotts flats, built in the early 1930's, which were ahead of their time. The Lord Collingwood Memorial (A famous Geordie- Battle of Trafalgar). Finally, Tynemouth Priory. I'm not aware of the tide coming over onto the Groyne. Nice work again Gary. Iain - @bigsootsimages

[@michaelt7320]

Really thought provoking video. For me, the first sunrise image works best. The composite would work better for me if the two jetties were softened in some way, perhaps with some negative dehaze or by reducing the opacity of that layer. This might help to create a sense of distance and separation and make them more like supporting subjects in the composition. A great video, Gary.

[@davidharle8794]

I don't think you need to apologise for your constructed image at all. You are, in fact, a photographic artist, and that is why your images stand out from the crowd. It is fascinating to hear how you construct your images and the level of detail you achieve in your research. Great work.

[@peterdoering4314]

Another great video Gary! I have never figured out why anyone would ever complain about changing an image. You are not a reporter - reporting the facts. You are a great Fine Art - Artist. Awhile back I was watching a session and he just came out and said that he wasn't a photographer showing you a place. That he was an artist, and he is showing how he creates his art piece. I am a firm believer you make the best piece you can make if you are creating art. If you are trying to show a place or an event - then you show the place or the event.

[@samuelwebster2769]

Hi again Gary lovely video of a beautiful little lighthouse.. I understand some people just feel composites are cheating.. I use to do abstract painting before I took up dslr photography.. And my paintings were definitely not realistic but it would have a sunset theme.. Photography is art as well as one must find a composition that will look great and will be sellerable or stand the test of time.. I don't have a pc or laptop so I've been editing on snapseed and have really found it is the best editing app for me. It is free to use I guess that's why it's so popular.. But it does really give professional results.. And I as well do composites at times and went through a stage where I thought of composites and my ideas just worked out so well.. And yes I do post most of my images to Facebook and Instagram.. And yes I do tell my followers it is a composite.. One must definitely tell them that.. As some of them could be real if taken in the right situation.. Some not lol as a few of them I added in up to 5 images to make up one composite..

[@MaliDaviesPhotography]

I wasn’t sure about this when you started talking about it. I was worried for you hahaha 🤣 Reet enough joking, great fun and something completely new. Thinking about what you can do when creating a video and then making like we did together or like this video. I’d love to come to here with you when the tide goes over the top! Brilliant creativity Gary. I did prefer the straight sunset and sunrise shots tho.

[@GaryGough]

Apparently the tide never comes above the feet which is a shame. Cheers Pal 👍👍

[@LarsKiel]

👍👍

[@GaryGough]

👍👍

[@oldmalty8412]

Love the (real) image you captured in the morning … such a tranquil shot ! and I can only echo what has been written by others, what the hell is the problem with the composit so long as you’re honest about it. Oh and lets face it floating piers and absent horizons on a clear day don’t actually exist, so the image is clearly a manipulation of the truth. It works because it’s art. You need not apologise or hide it away. I really like that one too.

[@rodrigofossati]

God's 11 commandments. You won't modify a landscape photo! Jajaja Great job, it really inspired me. Thank you. Saludos desde Jujuy, Argentina.

[@darenknotts9739]

I live locally and I've never seen the tide that high, great video though, its nice to see you in a familiar place 🙂

[@GaryGough]

Thanks Darren 👍👍

[@inkslinga1]

No problem with me Gary, I would love to have the skill, knowledge & the capabilities to create art like that. At the end of the day photography is a form of art............

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Graham 👍👍

[@graemedarling2852]

Enjoyed that one

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Graham 👍👍

[@scotty4418]

Personally if anyone left your channel Gary, I would blame Mali 😂😂. All joking aside, what is the problem in exercising your creative abilities after all it is your channel. I for one, enjoyed this and the sunrise images were smashing as well

[@GaryGough]

Definitely Mali's fault 😁😁

[@susanfirth2279]

I am on the "normal" side but I don't have a problem with composite images providing it is disclosed as such and it isn't passed off as otherwise. Loved the sunrise images.

[@4NDREWWHITE]

Love this Gary, making something from nothing so to speak. Keep doing what your doing 👍

[@jrmccartyphotogallery]

Hi Gary, Great video!! Really like the last part of the video with the sun behind the lighthouse It is sad that some folks are not open to new ideals, If you are doing art, what is the problem? Take care!!

[@davidfrost3770]

Love it, quality as usual Mr G. Great entertainment watching you at work here. For me, its all about enjoying what you do and with your skills i bet you realy enjoyed showing what you could do here. Thumbs up all the way. ps, did i notice you used Faithful rather than Landscape in picture style settings, if so, any particular reason.

[@GaryGough]

Hi David. It doesn't make any difference when capturing the image in RAW m8. Shoot it in monochrome if you like, those setting won't have any bearing on the image.

[@davidfrost3770]

Ah, that makes sense, thanks.

[@MrSpinmeout88]

Hi Gary, I love your videos and often use your processes to improve mine. However I watched your editing time lapse and thought you need to save yourself some time and energy and perhaps try the ON1 Photo Raw software. I have been using it for a few years and it has very accurate and quick masking features that I am sure that you would appreciate. I don't work for them nor am I affiliated with them in any way, just giving back some of my experience to help you, as you have helped me in my photographic journey. Personally I loved the original images of the Lighthouse but your Fine art images are definitely your style. Keep them coming! Cheers from Australia.

[@Danny_Roman.]

Outstanding word Gary. Loved every shot. Where do u get the music from on your video... very relaxing.

[@johnearl2303]

I don’t live near there but live in Seaham where you did a video shooting the wagon wheels on the chemical beach, I must admit I’ve been to South Shields many times but don’t recall seeing that lighthouse, I’ll have to make a point of looking out for it next time. Those ruins you mentioned and didn’t know anything about is the remains of Tynemouth Priory in a North Shields. Whilst I’m not a fan of composite photos I did quite enjoy the video.

[@SteveP_2426]

So long as the photographer acknowledges when they put out a composite I have no problem with it although I don't generally favour composites myself. I'm pretty sure painters in the past lifted bits of one scene to put in another painting. Agree that's a very attractive Lighthouse Gary - but in g location for us Togs!

[@dandann8237]

Damn, that another fine video you have made! instructional in the composition of a scene and instructional of the composite of several scenes. keep it up!! Leave this excellent You Tuber, are they mad? Each video is thought provoking sometimes you convince me to try something new and sometimes (rarely) you convince me it might not be worth it!

[@GaryGough]

Kind of you to say Dan, cheers 👍👍

[@josebainakielorriagaarriet2066]

It is impossible to me to compare both works, they are different subjects, neither better nor worse. The minimalist image of bn for me is like a photo of a sculpture, lines, volumes, perspectives... But the color photos, especially the second with the sun peeking out, they give me other sensations, calm , tranquility and the hope of a happy and positive day.

[@chezlerq4478]

In the Black & White, I love how you can't tell where the sea and the sky start and end. The two background images look as though they are suspended in the sky. They are too prominent. They look "Pasted on". If they were surrounded by fog, they would probably look much better. As far as the subject at hand; Replacing the sky??? I won't do that. I'm old-school film shooter from the 60's and 70's. I consider that cheating. Great work, Gary.

[@GaryGough]

Agree with you totally btw. Cheers 👍👍

[@timrosenburgh9485]

Hi Gary, I don't see what the problem is with some people as you always state what you are doing with your image's if you are going to manipulate them with true honesty. I think your editing skills are amazing. Look forward to seeing your next video.

[@johnpunnett1426]

Really nice vlog Gary. It must have taken so long to cut the lighthouse out in your composite - I wouldn't have even known where to start. In this instance my fav is definitely the early morning colour shots - Excellent work - thank you - John

[@viviennenoble4035]

Photography is art, and I don't see anything wrong with manipulating it to make a picture. If you think about it, all t he best painters in the world put in their own skies, because they couldn't have painted quickly enough tp capture it as it was. I would also think that if a tree or a building was in the wrong spot in the picture, it would have either been removed or moved to a better spot. love your videos Gary.

[@pathogan4854]

Fair play Gary that sunrise time-lapse was amazing ! You will always get diehards who will stick to what the know and wont indulge in the witchcraft that is photoshop ! I think if your open honest and their should be no issue ! Take care

[@davidqueenan]

Speaking as a graphic designer - I've absolutely nothing against composites - but in this case I actually prefer the shot you show immediately after the composite with the pier in the frame and the horizon line. For me it gives context to the three lighthouses and links them all together as one image.

[@denisbettle8609]

Gary, photography is an art form. So what is wrong with changing the position or removing anything? Artists changed their view point, when painting. Brillant video, please do more.

[@djking9828]

Well done, 🍻

[@stroiman.development]

Fun fact: classical painters created "composites". At Bornholm Art Museum, they have paintings from the local painter Kristian Zahrtmann. You can see that he has used the same woman in the same dress in the same pose on multiple paintings (she was his cousin to my knowledge). I am actually a little annoyed that I didn't take a picture documenting this fact. I create art. How it looks when it hangs on the wall is all that matters. The camera in my bag is just one of the tools I use to create art.

[@kevinnichols623]

Hi gary I live just about 10mins away from there and the water only comes across the tarmac if we have a storm and you won't want to be standing there with your camera in the winter 😀

[@craigwilson1604]

go back when its dark gary and you can get the beam of light shooting out of the front of it with the stars :)

[@davidpearce2981]

Jayne Libby , who I’ve done a few vlogs with, is a talented composite photographer. And like your self is excellent using photoshop. If done well is a work of art. I’m a great fan of that. But there are those who doesn’t state an image is a composite I have a problem with. Personally I love the challenge of getting something special using what is on offer.

[@GaryGough]

Cheers Dave. I'll have to look Jane up 👍👍

[@kevinridley8883]

Hi Gary the old ruins in the back ground are Tynemouth priory :)

[@Ruscombephotos]

Hi Gary, I’ve only watched the first half, so far. My first remark please take with a pinch of salt. When I first saw the lighthouse I thought somebody could put a skirt with baubles around the legs and dress it up as a giant, orange Dalek, complete with eye stalk, exterminator and plunger. But, on a more serious note, the lighthouse looked out of place in the composite. The water around its base didn’t look natural or possible. It looked too clean and clinical. Also I would have put it on the right third so the weather vein was pointing into the frame, but easier said than done from where you were set up without interfering with the far right sea wall and lighthouse. I also much preferred the real, colour photograph you showed immediately after the black & white composite. Having watched the rest of the video, I really like the sunrise photographs too. I guess, ideally, had you been able to get there a few weeks earlier, the sun would have risen between the two distant lighthouses and sea walls.

[@alanclark9691]

Interesting video Gary, as always. This was especially interesting as it was in my back yard - well just across the water. Curiously, after watching your video at Blyth I thought I'd try to get a good shot of The Groyne and was actually there yesterday (12/9), but mid-morning. Like yourself, I found it extremely difficult to get a good composition and am not happy with any of the shots I took. I don't think your composite works on this occasion - look very false - but rather liked your regular sunrise shots.