Confederacy: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

[@clickbaitcabaret8208]

I'm from the south. I have distant relatives who fought for the confederacy & not so distant ones who were in the KKK. When I was a kid was taught, both directly & indirectly, racist ideals of the white man's superiority over all other races, particularly African ones. As a young impressionable child I believed what I was told. It wasn't until I was a teenager I started questioning what I had been taught. When I got to college I soon realized what I had been taught was not only dead wrong, it was evil. I had to come to grips with the reality what my family had taught me was a hideous lie based on the hatred of human beings we and our descendants had been purposely cruel to for centuries. It was a bitter pill to swallow & it's caused a major rift in my family that persists to this day. I'm grateful younger members of my family aren't racist in the way the people I grew up with had been. It gives me hope for humanity's future that maybe one day we can put racism behind us. That would be beautiful.

[@PitLord777]

Yo man! Congrats!

[@keena20071987]

Mike, God bless you. You are a beautiful soul and I appreciate every word you said. If we had more like you, this world would be so different.

[@gavinbrewes863]

I cannot remember the last time I replied to a comment but I could not leave this video without thanking you for your post

[@clickbaitcabaret8208]

How many people do you think is one in 1000 of the US white, Non Hispanic population in the US? Hint. It's a lot of people.

[@clickbaitcabaret8208]

It was the 1960's on through the 70's. It wasn't just my family. It was literally every white person I knew. White folks in the south back then didn't mix with Blacks, Latinos, Jews or Catholics. There weren't any around to mix with anyway so avoiding them was pretty easy. The black part of town was strictly segregated and they knew not to loiter in the white part if they didn't want to end up in jail for whatever charges the all white police force could come up with. Mind you, this is a small, rural town in the deep south built around a textile mill no one held a demonstration in, SNCC never marched through & MLK probably never heard of. The town I grew up in was a looong from little rock & Birmingham. Progress in a place like that moves at a snails pace, if at all when compared to the rest of the country.

[@euenfheiejrj]

When I was in Germany, I didn’t see one statute of Hitler, which was part of their history but they don’t want to memorialize it. Why is this so difficult for Americans?

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

There are loads of war memorials. Nothing to glorify anyone or anything though.

[@leadbones]

Let's not confuse the deep South with "Americans". Those anti-American traitors can all get fucked.

[@TakiMomoify]

I’m from Alabama. The Confederates were fucking traitors who turned on their own countrymen to keep my people their property. Where I come from, people wear this flag proudly, knowing that if it was up to the Confederacy, I wouldn’t even be considered human. This flag should be burned.

[@gxtmfa]

Good fucking point.

[@hewakens]

It's not difficult for Americans - it's difficult for *Republicans*.

[@jaelie8398]

I am Ugandan. Never in my life have I seen statues of Idi Amin. Still we learn from a young age about what he did in school and why we can't allow it to happen again. It's not hard

[@AlexeiIgnavich]

It’s because statues aren’t about history, they’re about glorification, which is why American Southerners want their statues, they WANT to glorify traitors that fought to keep slavery.

[@Aurorasr91rs91]

Naming millitary bases in honor of your enemies is just ridiculous. I mean Uganda doesn't have any bases named after Amin. France after Bismarck. Or Argentina after Thatcher. Can you recognize the bravery of some individual soldiers? Sure. But glorify their cause? No.

[@jaelie8398]

@@Aurorasr91rs91 Or Italy after Mussolini. When I was in Italy last year my guide told me they teach exactly how evil he was at a young age

[@smalltime0]

there is an issue that African nations forget the African involvement in the slave trade. European powers (mostly) didn't actually have the capability of colonising Africa until they stopped dealing in slavery (shout out to Belgium for bucking the trend there). Africans sold their fellow people into slavery, doing the capturing and everything and made a lot of money in the process.

[@nanananere]

​@@smalltime0I don't see how that's linked with the subject of keeping statues of criminals in our streets

[@brandonm949]

Compromise: Since most of the statues are 75% horse anyway, just remove the people from the statues but keep the horses. Because horses are legit and also not pro-slavery.

[@theviewer6889]

If you can do that without damaging the horse then do that.

[@StormCrownSr]

...Fuck it, it has my vote.

[@klownmob8894]

@@theviewer6889 fuck off

[@3Rayfire]

I can work with that.

[@theviewer6889]

@@klownmob8894 Y?

[@JacobBush16]

“Think he deserved it?” Literally the fastest response anyone has ever given in history: “yeah.” Good on you Anderson.

[@DCANIMAL-skates]

I know I cracked up. Great answer

[@thefailedfoodie]

Bro didn't even finish looking up lol

[@kathimeyer5613]

@@DCANIMAL-skates Florida is going to pretend that black history didn’t exist. I’m not teach in school.

[@jackwenn_9693]

@@kathimeyer5613what?

[@mattlogue1300]

Easy to answer too

[@Nakajima-oh7kw]

There's a difference between acknowledging your history and celebrating/glorifying it. Odd that some people can't tell the difference

[@mechanicpluto2430]

Well said.

[@rjgraylight]

Indeed.

[@Scorch428]

Yeah. If my great-great grandfather owned slaves, Id say fuck him. I wouldnt respect that at all...

[@Fate263]

True... But they think removing statues is somehow picking and choosing, or altering history... Which isn't quite how it works, but that's ignorance and blind pride for you.

[@Giveupnowornever]

@Mister JMH so true.They want to keep their racist culture and be totally aware of it.

[@EventH0riz0n]

I still love the "friendly north-south rivalry" bit very much. Imagine that with the second world war. "A friendly axis-allies rivalry"

[@mooniedizzel6443]

South is fighting the whole country white and black. North only has to fight 10 states. South is out numbered in its own land. Half the people down south are black.

[@xMewWinx96x]

"The Second World War: A friendly Axis-Allies rivalry" is literally the entire premise of Hetalia.

[@EventH0riz0n]

@@xMewWinx96x havent heard of that yet but the synopsis sounds hilarious. Gotta check that one out.

[@funnyyellowdog8833]

A minor dispute over resources, economic policies and racial superiority

[@Imnotplayinganymore]

@@EventH0riz0n kinda frenetic for my taste...

[@pauljmorton]

That black guy who said, "Who was working that farm?" is so dapper when he says it.

[@DearSis]

Paul J. Morton that white man's family worked that farm! Slaves were expensive back then!

[@jdcompas]

Dude I know

[@DanGolag]

DearSis - I get the impression they couldn't afford to marry outside their own family, either.

[@ryankelly9001]

When I heard that guy say 'who was workin that farm?' I wanted to immediately find a mic to drop for him.

[@silverhawkslugger]

And the Insert Foot in Mouth award goes to...Battle Flag Guy

[@StopWhining491]

I may not be responsible for what my ancestors did, but I am responsible to do what I can to prevent repeating their wrongs.

[@julianwaugh8221]

Good for you! Germans of today confront what happened and vow that it should never happen again. However the Austrians ignore the fact that they were avid Nazis and just focus on the blue Danube and Mozart.

[@hankkingsley9300]

You should be repeating their rights instead

[@silverchair5169]

This is why you're a failure LOL wrong mindset white knight

[@ryangainey94]

Not only that, dear: Know your privilege, and with awareness of your privilege, use it to directly fight the privilege of others and to protect those without it.

[@plugshirt1762]

@@ryangainey94 nah should have got lucky on the birth lottery

[@flozigo97]

This really isn’t a debate at all...as an Austrian one of my great grandfathers was an actively participating Nazi and no one in my family would consider putting up a picture of him. It’s not a matter of erasing our history, but instead of accepting it and deciding not to honour his beliefs and the shaming past of our nation.

[@flozigo97]

TheBookWorm1718 But thats not the point nobody said all southerners were/are racist. All I said was you should take down the statues, flags, monuments, etc. that honour people who stood for keeping slavery up.

[@flozigo97]

penguins inadiorama what is that video supposed to tell me? That some old guy tried to justify german war atrocities by having to defend themselves in a war they started?? Maybe you misunderstood my initial comment. I'm not saying that everyone who fought for germany in ww2 was a nazi. I know that a lot of people had no choice. But thats still no reason to honour genocidal regimes, etc. or someone how fought for his "right" to own another human being by putting up statues of them.

[@BigT.Larrity]

The Movie Wolf I spit on you and your "heritage".

[@BigT.Larrity]

The Movie Wolf We do love decent people, but vial shitlords like you deserve neither love nor respect.

[@ilidenstrmrege987]

+TheBookWorm1718 Congrats, you made it into the "Holy Sh*t That is Not Remotely the Point" magazine.

[@gew393]

This video has been up longer than than the confederacy existed

[@dacarrico]

Best thing I've read this year

[@pteechka1]

I believe the song "Achy Breaky Heart" charted for longer than the Confederate states existed.

[@shaunlaverty8898]

I have condiments in my fridge that have lasted longer than the confederacy.

[@jabjones2165]

And?

[@Mozart1220]

Nonsense. It still exists. They SHOW you people still living in it.

[@MrsBlack88]

“Everybody wants independence.” You’re right! I’m sure the slaves very much wanted independence too!

[@falloutboisumbish9409]

*cuagh*

[@simonsays3063]

You hit the nail right on the head. 👏👏👏

[@joeyc1725]

Well Africans captured other africans for Europeans. Bottom line. People will do anything for something. African slaves weren't the only slaves. So give the consideration to all slaves. I'm not even liberal and I went to conservative. Republicans were against slavery. Democrats were for it. Times may change. I stopped being fed propaganda. I became aware. Anyways. I agree with your post. I gave you that like.

[@mookiestewart3776]

@@joeyc1725 that's because republicans used to be liberal and progressive, now they are conservative. The change happened during the southern strategy. Go look that up. Republicans now are the Dems of before sorry to tell ya.

[@joeyc1725]

@@mookiestewart3776 actually that is true. I'm not harping. It's the sad factor of using intelligence to craft a paragraph putting all the factors in. I only mentioned a slim as much as you just did. I used to be liberal. I am unaffiliated to republican and lib to in between. If everyone used to be a slave in some way. I think politicians have us all at each others throats. The govern. Need to stay out of our lives. I completely believe in united we stand as to divide we fall. I see my sisters or brothers struggle my irish ass is helping them. I can tell a snake from a soul in person. I know you know your shite as I know mine. I appreciate your kindness over the 🕸.

[@zooblestyx]

Let's just take a minute to recall what happened to slaves who "had a little rebel in them".

[@armedwombat6816]

The males got killed, the females got pregnant with a bastard.

[@UnicornsPoopRainbows]

Nice point. I'm surprised Oliver didn't make that comment!

[@jiggerypokery3761]

If people want to admire rebels there was this plucky group that fought in 1776 who are a little more admirable. Sad we never see their flag anymore.

[@metallicakixtotalass]

Sadly the Confederacy believed they were following in the Founding Fathers' footsteps, like George Washington, despite that Washington was absolutely opposed to "States' rights" and an ardent NATIONALIST rather than a "Virginian."

[@n0ame1u1]

Well some of them beat people's heads in with garden hoes.

[@tekbarrier]

Kudos to John Oliver for tracking down the rest of that news clip with the white guy and the black guy. That was just unbelievable.

[@chayden153]

tekbarrier it was so cringy, but it made me laugh so hard

[@highwaytoparistx2655]

I was physically cringing so hard when he yelled back at him

[@nathanseper8738]

"Unbelievable," is too weak a word. It's OUTRAGEOUS that in the 2010s, we still have people in this country who would happily bring back slavery.

[@JWinterhaven]

it was very weird. especially if you consider that the guy wanted to clear with it that his family werent slaveowners

[@elizabetholiviaclark]

David, would you have been as bothered had Oliver defended Confederate monuments? I'm guessing you'd be just fine with his comments. At any rate, America isn't your personal house.

[@Rundstedt1]

_"Confederates during the Civil War had no problem whatsoever in associating their cause with the protection of slavery and a system of white supremacy which they thought was inherent in the Confederate world order. The Confederates of 1861-65 were much more honest about the importance of slavery than are the neo-Confederates of today."_ - Professor Brooks D. Simpson

[@imakedamoney420smokeweed]

It was definitely about slavery and it was 100% valid and justified

[@jvssocialmedia2459]

If someone SAYS it's so, it must be so.

[@Rundstedt1]

@@jvssocialmedia2459 I'll bet you say the same thing about the H/caust also. .

[@unnamedenemy9]

@@jvssocialmedia2459 I mean, it's 100% true. Most of them said so in their secession documents, and even the ones that didn't were *drowning* in politicians explicitly defending white supremacy and saying the confederacy was the best way to preserve it.

[@topapo3661]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@jvssocialmedia2459i mean all of the secesing states said it. and the vp of the confederacy. “so it must be so”

[@kahldrialeighsun1208]

I grew up in "north" and married someone from the deep south. Let me tell you, the culture shock was severe. I grew up with the knowledge of slavery, Harriet Tubman, Martin Luther King jr. etc, from grade school. My ex however, grew up hearing about Confederate heroes like they were knights in a fairy tale. They gloss over the WHY and focus on the so called "glory" of their battles as if they were rebels for some sacred cause. It is tied to their identity. It is part of their pride. When you bring up the horrible, indefensible truth of WHY- they scoff, and are offended you even bring it up as if you were talking crap about their dead grandmother. Just my observation. They need to divorce their identity from that toxic history as much as I needed my actual divorce. The south needs to be reminded that the heroes who ended slavery, are their heroes too! And they are far far more worthy of statues, and tradition we can be proud of. Flies with honey.

[@TC-mp7vn]

Let’s teach em a lesson, civil war part 2 just to fuck em up

[@jamesyates4836]

T C just wanna point out a second civil war would not end well for the north. Seeing as political parties have switched and conservatives are more likely to have guns than democrats

[@slipperyseagoose919]

@@jamesyates4836 bruh the north would be in control of the US military. I think they could handle some renegade hillbillies

[@jamesyates4836]

Slippery Sea Goose besides the fact a majority of the us army identifies as conservative. How likely are you to shoot at your own people

[@olivebranch7769]

@@jamesyates4836 Do you have statistics for that?

[@b.t.peterson6429]

I live in Mississippi and the funniest and saddest part of our getting rid of the Confederate battle flag on our state flag is that it only happened because the SEC and NCAA pledged not to host sports tournaments in Mississippi until it was removed. I've never seen so many politicians swap sides so fucking quick.

[@ianstephenson9721]

I'll never forget when I was at a hockey game in North Jersey when I was in high school and the rink had every state flag hanging from the rafters. One of my classmates, who was rather conservative, noticed the Mississippi flag and was absolutely disgusted by it. Jersey City also removed the Mississippi flag from their state flag park because of the Confederate flag.

[@SYN4456]

I live in South Carolina. The only reason the Confederate flag came down from the capitol building is because Dylan Roof shot nine church people in a church in Charleston.

[@joeybleu66]

$$$ talks BS walks

[@familykaplan1341]

Pathetic! Why do southerners hate blacks? Jews?

[@MCKevin289]

@@ianstephenson9721 Ice vault?

[@just_resa]

As a german, I have to tell you, we don't have statues of Hitler standing around but we still remember our history and learn about it

[@just_resa]

@@JR-pr8jb Yes, mostly. I mean we don't learn much about Colonialism but we learn A LOT about WWI and WWII. It's also common for school classes to visit concentration camps while learning about what happened there and to go to events where holocaust survivors talk about their experience.

[@jimcornettesfupa6277]

Fuck you! If your not from the south then EAT SHIT

[@bogotaangela6908]

? #ThisOldMann? #HePlayedOne 0:38 0:39 ? @#Carlino’s 0:52

[@Only2Genders]

You should

[@just_resa]

@@Only2Genders we sould have statues of Hitler or we should learn about and from our history?

[@A_Wild_Dyzzy]

I live in Charleston, SC. I watched protesters in Marion square call to dismantle the statue of John C. Calhoun, the seventh vice President and adamant pro-slavery supporter. His likeness stood tall above the square as a monument to the horrid thing he defended. I’m glad it’s in a museum today as a reminder of history. Seeing that thing taken down was like a breath of fresh air.

[@TPRM1]

Maybe they should replace it with a Confederate flag. You know, this one: 🏳️

[@thatlycantomboy]

anderson cooper’s reaction to finding out his ancestor was beaten to death with a gardenhoe will honestly never cease to make me laugh

[@josephdale69]

Anderson Cooper is the sole aire to the Vanderbilt Estate.

[@thatlycantomboy]

@@josephdale69 damn sorry, forgot i can’t find a single thing a rich person does funny, guess I should’ve said I’ll eat him instead

[@vfaulkon]

I'm with ya. No hesitation, no backpedaling, just 'nah, fuck 'em'. I keep finding new reasons to respect this man.

[@Obstreperous_Octopus]

I know, right? That really was the absolute perfect reaction to discovering that piece of information! And it wasn't a prepared, calculated statement after the fact, that was his initial reaction. That's a clear sign of personal integrity and quality as a human being, if I've ever seen one. (Minor side note: I believe a "backhoe" is one of those tractors with a scooper on the back. This was just a hoe, or garden hoe. Just for clarity's sake. Carry on.)

[@terrahatvol7960]

i want to see that entire reaction documentary

[@alexweigelhikes]

I love Cooper's zero hesitation and the perfect response.

[@Zerpersande]

Yeah, but there was a camera there. He knew there were to be cameras there. At the same time, it could be complete honesty.

[@HeroAndReporter]

Here’s a small list of things that lasted longer than the Confederacy. The TV Show Supernatural (2005-2020) The Band Nirvana (1987-1994) The Original Star Wars Trilogy (A New Hope 1977 - Return of the Jedi 1983) Mel Gibson’s acting career (1976 - Now)

[@DejectedJester]

Another is Homestuck

[@dinamosflams]

Everyone's teenagehood

[@justinantonius2823]

High school

[@codyhernandez791]

Even the Nazis lasted longer then the confederacy

[@JohnnyC01]

@@codyhernandez791 1920 - now

[@scottvertelle286]

The confederation lasted 4 years. I got underwear older than that. The same people who want their four year heritage remembered. Are the same people who want you to forget the 400 years of slavery.

[@rd264]

the civil war lasted 4 years but the Confederacy is another matter and all that is requires consideration

[@DailyShit.]

@@rd264 Stfu there is no context needed here.

[@RelentlessOhiox]

​@@rd264Dude literally The Confederacy lasted 4 years. He's absolutely correct.

[@yahyaahmad8574]

Well said!!

[@ghost.mp3]

damn that is a very good point

[@sarawilliamson5420]

I live in Germany. Pretty much every german I know has had multiple family members (some are still around) that fought with the Nazi Military and participated in Nazi social programs. They remember. It's called education. It's called read a book.

[@hairyasstruman2163]

Also, Sigmar Gabriel and actor Armin Rohde were pretty transparent about it.

[@redtopaz]

My brother in law's grandfather was part of the Hitler youth. It's bizarre and a little embarrassing, but nobody pretends it didn't happen. And NOBODY wants to see a commemorative photo of Opa's time in the Hate Boy Scouts. My own ancestors almost certainly owned slaves. I really don't understand the desire to glorify that your ancestors were part of something terrible. You shouldn't forget, but I don't get why you'd want to celebrate it either.

[@danialtahir]

Hi Sara I recently watched The Pianist movie and to be honest I couldn’t sleep or eat or do anything properly for days. I’d like to know how common Germans react to the horrific things they did in the past :(

[@Judithly]

You do know that most of the people that did this are dead and the few that are still alive were children or teenagers at that time... So mostly we react with: Well we wont forget it, but most of us weren't alive back then...

[@deaf-tomcat]

Yes, but how can we "read a book" about this time period when most of the text glorifies or belittles( or straight up lies) the Civil War? Education here is so diverse and can often be very bad. It's not that those folk never paid attention in class, it's that they were taught lies and etc in school.Thats the problem.

[@soulkarver956]

"History is recorded through books." Unfortunately, many of these people don't read.

[@robertroberts2795]

I am well read and there was more than slavery as an issue for the war. Winners write the history books.

[@soulkarver956]

@@robertroberts2795 I agree that there were other things that sparked it through tariffs by the North and state's rights, but it was primarily because of slavery as many documents from the south verify.

[@TheRedlotusblossom]

Not only do lovers of the Confederacy not read nine times out of ten they burn the books lol. That's why they're stupid enough to believe that taking down statues is liberals and Democrats way of erasing history because for them that's their way of erasing history by burning books and stuff. They're so actively stupid they don't have object permanence lol

[@neetwithajob]

it’s not that they don’t, it’s that they can’t

[@Raptor3698]

robert roberts hate to break it to you but all those other issues have their roots traced back to the issues of SLAVERY. Slavery was the root cause of it all, and it was the main reason for the secession crisis in the first place.

[@fruitylaura]

I’m German and imagine if we would have Hitler monuments around here because it is “part of our history”.

[@TheBottlenose33]

German history is coming to an end.

[@MightyInHiding]

Sounds like a whiner, equivalting nazis to confederacy is a huge conflation

[@wadewilson8924]

Yankees1215 NJ regardless you sound insane

Wow.... just wow, as a fellow german i'm kind of horriefied by the responses you get here Have to wonder where those people get there infos from... are we living in different realitys? Still i wish you all the best and have a nice day!

[@wadewilson8924]

JuaffreBlumpkins pfft trump can't even shake Merkles hand..he's the coward.

[@desiree_sparkles]

I’m 51 from Georgia and I grew up being taught it was states’ rights. Obviously it was the right to own slaves. But for the majority (poor), I think it boils down to ridiculous pride and a desperation to believe they were better than black people. Pull those statues down.

[@MustHaveWine]

Amen!

[@terrancemitchell3420]

@@desiree_sparkles Absolutely! Southern pride is a synonym for stubbornly ignorant I grew up and reside in the south. Thank goodness we lost the war. Now let's all be about learning to love each other.

[@chrisfloyd9204]

It amazes me how John Oliver and his team can broach a subject like this with such sensitivity. Complex matters like this can't be boiled down to "you're wrong you idiot" because that would not lead to change. It's refreshing to see

[@sune9578]

Meanwhile, on KZbin...

[@ScorieDivine]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[@austinleach1307]

I mean, anyone wanting to memorialize the traitorous losers of the Civil War that wanted slaves IS wrong and IS an idiot.

[@Thenoobestgirl]

His research and writing team is superb

[@jmmclaughlin1989]

6:39 "Look, to put it really simply, they just wanted to own black people and they didn't much care how." Pretty much sums up the Confederacy.

[@robertmiller5735]

the Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in northern states.

[@IrvingIV]

@@robertmiller5735 Correct, it was actually a strategic move. By making every slave captured through war free, the Union placed any European nation which planned to aid the Confederate swarm in the hot seat. Because fighting against the union would have prevented slaves from being freed. (Note, in that era, Europe had wholly denounced outright slavery)

[@johnpangarakis396]

robert miller ....they were already free.....

[@russellpesek]

@@johnpangarakis396 Not entirely true. There were a few slave owning states that did not join the confederacy. The Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves that lived in confederate territory, so it took an amendment to the Constitution to completly eliminate slavery in the USA.

[@mollsgreys5827]

Ah, it's nice to see some actual, logical conversations about history instead of other people being at each others' throats.

[@djcuevas1057]

I like to imagine Colbert was just standing there for the entire show.

[@thechillreaper2285]

Trying his hardest not to move, like a true statue. With long slow breaths as to not jostle the drape, holding back a sneeze, and ignoring the itch on his nose for 20mins... what a legend

[@Martial-Mat]

ha ha ha - yeah

[@microsofty5778]

Standing unwavering for freedom...

[@albertdeleon6272]

Black wall street brunt by white mob

[@microsofty5778]

@@albertdeleon6272 it was... Murderous

[@jojoqvenx]

When he asked the question "who was working that farm" while giving his suit a tug, he knows he won the argument.

[@jlskeptic]

And the idiot responding with "do you know much slaves cost back then" can't seem to realize he's saying "we didn't have slaves ONLY because we couldn't afford them." 🤦‍♂️

[@JonPL]

Honestly the moment he did, he seemed like he's gonna smack that flag guy in the face, given that straightened posture and moving his right arm back... And I'd love to see his reaction, because I know exactly how it is to be flabberghasted or even stunned by someone's audacity and \ or stupidity.

[@martalaatsch8358]

I wonder if that Confederate flag guy's family were actually that poor... statistically, it's possible, but obviously, he was really stupid about the whole thing

[@chrismanuel9768]

​@@martalaatsch8358They owned a farm. Farmers are not poor people. They own massive amounts of land and produce thousands of pounds of food every year. Farmers, if they know what they're doing, make very good money year over year

[@martalaatsch8358]

@@chrismanuel9768 that's... neither technically true nor relevant to the original problem (I acknowledge my comment was also off-topic a bit)

[@darqjade]

"Do you know how expensive a slave was back then"...... WOW, just WOW

[@puffdebi]

MovieJunkie ForLife At that point even his confederate supporters were like... “Dude....”

[@chouleo]

Is there a video on youtube that shows the full, original version?

[@prod7906]

Honestly the Union didn't go far enough, after the civil war they should have killed most people in the south, there dumb inbred hicks who have no place in spreading their weakness.

[@robinmiller1989]

@@prod7906 that would've been a horrible idea

[@robinmiller1989]

@@prod7906 because it's a gross overgeralization of the south and the people who inhabit it. Violence does little to counter indoctrination from birth, but education and open debate does. There are times when violence becomes necessary, but to commit genocide on an entire population for the economic realities of the time and whims of the gentrified elite turns martyrs out of savage brutes. A modicum of research would show that there are plenty of progressive areas in the south, and the north was subject to some of the worst civil rights riots during the 60's. When you stop seeing people in lieu of labels you've ceased to be a productive part of the conversation.

[@RolandVonRose]

Did... did Stephen Colbert just stand there in the dark with a sheet over him for 20 minutes?

[@nedcurfman3486]

You think he wouldn’t?

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

He was probably hidden behind a curtain or something that they only pulled aside when it was time to reveal the statues. He only needed to get up on the pedestal right before the reveal.

[@communistloser3182]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi shhh dont ruin the dream

[@poltronafrau]

@@communistloser3182 that's some bullshit

[@angelamary31alisonannadj40]

I'm a conservative American. Our country lost hundreds of thousands in a war to defeat the Confederacy. I am bewildered that we still have confederate statutes in the South. These were enemies of the United States - they were not our friend.

[@jaelie8398]

All my life I've been told to remember the American Revolution because it's "part of our history" and to forget about slavery because it was "a long time ago"

[@dreamworldman5504]

Have you changed now?

[@tyaiken3771]

haha what dumbass school did you go to?

[@carolineg3872]

😏

[@tyaiken3771]

@@hankkingsley9300 haha no we're not. most of us are too damn lazy to go to work and too obese to walk to the mailbox without breathing hard. what makes you think our AR-15's would even stand a chance against the US military?

[@hankkingsley9300]

@@tyaiken3771 because our military is a bunch of fat ass lazy slobs like the rest of us that's why

[@drychaf]

"monuments are not how we record history... ...statues are how we glorify people." Excellently put, and applicable to all nations'/communities' quandaries over this issue.

[@aekaydubs]

2020 called. It says this one’s worth a re-watch.

[@abbofun9022]

ak williams , indeed, did not lose any relevance at all.

[@michaeltheundeadmariachi4494]

@@abbofun9022 and more than likely won't lose relevance for years, because there's always going to be some stupid racist person to remind us

[@geologick]

I actually assumed this was uploaded in the last couple of weeks before I read your comment. Jeeze

[@TheHighSorcerer]

@@geologick For real I thought it was recent before i looked at the upload date. It's insane.

[@theguyisinthailand]

Will ya support Indians (feather & not tuban) to get Jim Beam/Jack Daniels to pay up for the pain they caused¿BLM needs the same reparation, but Hennessy would be included.

[@Blessed_V0id]

"Do you think he deserved it" *Dead pan look* "Yeahhh" Major respect

[@tahraki4918]

No hesitation either

[@uru4359]

@@swiftie762 yeah major respect

[@Blessed_V0id]

@@swiftie762 I hope you aren't saying the confederates weren't the villains. They were dogs that wouldnt have been able to withstand the treatment they give others does their precious Bible not say do to others as youd have them do to you? If they are willing to kill men, they must be willing to die. Its blood for blood

[@Blessed_V0id]

@Towelie Thank you I've not heard of him. I appreciate the oppurtunity

[@Blessed_V0id]

@Towelie What a good quote

[@elliecreasey3133]

"I get wanting a more comfortable history for your family, but in doing so you can't invent a more comfortable history for your country because you'd be erasing the actual painful experiences of many Americans" I'm a history student and this sentence sums up the millions of arguments I've had

[@southerngent8162]

If you equate the erasing of Southern history to a memorial of peoples oppression then you haven't learned much in your history classes. You are indoctrinated. Ever try learning the Political Philosophies instead of only the actions? It gives you a better sense of the reason things happened. The Southern history reminds us all of how the United States changed from a free and equal Union to a subjugated and dictated Union.

[@ryangoepfert9112]

@@southerngent8162 pretty sure the slaves would have disagreed with that statement

[@southerngent8162]

@@ryangoepfert9112 Lol It's not about the slaves you morom. It's about the Constitution. You are a dumbass

[@douglaslangley9251]

@@southerngent8162 "morom" ...well alright then

[@Nanook128]

@@romandarius6041 "And why was Adolf Hitler the most love leader the world has ever seen at that time? " It really helps your polling numbers when anyone who doesn't love you is arrested, exiled, or murdered.

[@ladyiris77]

Anderson's response is totally genuine. No hesitation. "Yeah." Love it.

[@andrearobyn3701]

"we can't pick and choose what you decide is history" say the people who distort the cause of the civil war, don't want slavery taught in schools, and don't teach Tulsa massacre.

[@andrearobyn3701]

@FEDSJ I disagree about the flag, a flag that represents the Confederate absolutely has racist connotations. Many people do use it to represent Southern pride, but I'd argue that the second context doesn't negate the first origin and symbolism. The American public school system does fail on many levels, I'm from Canada and we still largely fail at teaching Indigenous history, though we sometimes like to think we're superior to America in terms of racial justice when we still have a long ways to go.

[@andrearobyn3701]

@FEDSJ I'm of the mindset that it's important to not ignore all opposing viewpoints as 'trolls' outright, because while the world is rife with trolls, only accepting opinions that align with our own is when echo chambers and partisan division happens. Symbols can definitely change, and intended meaning can be lost over time. One common example is the swastika, originally it is a Buddhist symbol, however very obviously it is now associated with Nazism. Regardless of representation, the original meaning is lost and is automatically associated with Nazism. That begs a question though - to what extent does the proportion of an interpretation of a symbol dictate it's meaning, or if it's changed? I just find it bizarre for a couple of reasons that the Confederate flag is used to represent Southern pride. The most obvious being it's the flag that represented a war that could have torn America apart and was flown by those who wanted to preserve slavery for their own economic interests given the prevalence of plantation crops in the South. Secondly if you're using it to represent Southern pride, it's an odd choice as it represents a group of Southern states who is the 1860s wanted to leave the Union; it's bizarre to use it to show pride in Southern America when those who flew it used it to represent their desire to leave America. Lastly, the Civil War only occurred for a period of five years. Why use a symbol from such a short period in time to forever represent Southern pride? I believe there are much better symbols to use. Although the meaning of the flag may have changed to some, has it changed as a whole? Is it an accurate representation of the whole history of the South? What importance is there on historical context vs. modern social context when discussing historical symbols and trying to assign their meaning? Why use that particular symbol? Just a few questions to mull over, when anyone is discussing these kinds of topics. A little personal story, my city had a statue of Edward Cornwallis downtown. He was a central figure in founding the city for England, however part of doing so entailed him ordering a 'scalp tax'. If you're unfamiliar, the order meant that founding the city required killing Indigenous people who lived here, cutting off their scalps, and returning them to Cornwallis. In essence it was a continuation of the ethnic cleansing Europeans and the Canadian government perpetuated so that they could inhabit the land. Clearly, Cornwallis is a controversial figure, not just by today's standards but also by the standards of the time that he lived. It was decided a few years ago that the statue ought to be removed, as we no longer wanted a symbol celebrating a man who did such terrible things, even though he's also tied to the history of the city. In that video I would certainly not call that man a racist, but I think part of his reasoning is flawed. To state that Confederate statues are entirely unrelated and not connected to Jim Crow laws or white supremacy is dishonest, given who they were dedicated by and when they were erected. If they were put up to memorialize dead soldiers shortly after the war, then sure you could make that argument with validity, but when they were put up in the Jim Crow era it's not entirely truthful to say that the social climate and movements of the time did not influence the statue.

[@webx135]

Honestly the South should secede again. No slaves to save this time so no need to keep dragging them along to a future they don't want to be apart of.

[@Entreri007]

@@webx135 good luck with that. You'd better get used to 3rd world country status because without your northren states you won't survive.

[@Brodie3K]

@FEDSJ a question I'd have about that though is why does that flag represent pride for the south?

[@KHfan0011]

Not gonna lie that woman pilot statue would be absolutely amazing. She defied not just one but two huge stigmas back then and came out successful. If that's not a noble cause, I don't know what is.

[@CoffeeFresh_]

KHfan0011 yeah because things like gender and skin color should matter.

[@SynicalSol]

Coffee Fresh ..... They did matter. Pretty sure that was his point.

[@patw9175]

It did matter, she would otherwise be considered a second class citizen based on gender and skin color. In fact, she had to go to Europe just to learn how to fly because not a single flight school in the states would teach women OR blacks.

[@CoffeeFresh_]

Synical was she a good pilot. Skin color and gender do not matter. And if she was a good pilot i care more about her accomplishments as a pilot instead of focusing on her skin color.

[@cristianverdugogalaz8725]

Coffee Fresh i mean she was breaking the stigma that being black or a woman matter at the time

[@Rikajael]

My ancestors came over on the Mayflower, fought in the American Revolution and also participated in the first massacre of Native Americans in Massachusetts. The massacre happened in my hometown and it was never taught in my history classes in a school just a mile or so from where it happened. My genealogy shows both good things and bad things, and I believe that I need to learn and remember all of it.

[@shuheihisagi6689]

Exactly, we can learn from our history without building statues of our ancestors. Good or bad.

[@kylezo]

the great american genocide isn't taught in schools because most people don't have the stomach to face hard truths. Children should know of the atrocities that were committed in the founding of this county; to leave that information out is beyond disrespectful to the slaughtered.

[@yeahyeah8522]

Exactly why crt is a good idea...some graduates still believe the "lost cause" bs

[@1911dawg]

You know… the native Americans were not very peaceful either.

[@povotaknight2063]

@@1911dawg right, but they probably didn't deserve to be treated as animals.

[@xforge]

"State's rights!!" "Okay... state's rights to do... what?"

[@jaelie8398]

I remember once having a very intellectual conversation about the cause of the Civil War with a certain relative of mine who is adamant the War was about "states rights" Me: "okay, States rights to what?" "States rights." "For what, specifically?" "States rights." "And what were the States rights for?" "States rights." This went on a while

[@xforge]

@@jaelie8398 was he refusing to let his mind take that next step or did he know where it was going and just didn't want to say?

[@jaelie8398]

@@xforge Probably number two

[@youshallbeasgods]

Check out the National States’ Rights Party. Johnny Cash and his first wife, Vivian, were targeted by Klan member and party chairman, J.B. Stoner, regarding Vivian’s complexion after Johnny got busted in ‘65.

[@MustHaveWine]

Yes, agreed.

[@NaraNaraJapan]

"Did he deserve it?" "Yeah." I'd say that about living relatives.

[@soulkarver956]

You and me both.

[@victoriacyunczyk]

I must agree with you there.

[@justalostlocal]

Some people have a dogmatic obsession with family relations. Now, having ancestors you know could be a wonderful thing. However that doesn't you have to respect them when they're shitty people. Especially when they were fricking slavers.

[@truongtrungchinh163]

It’s like Germans asking to keep Nazi symbols in their country

[@curranfrank2854]

@The Senate Thank you for your honesty! Have a pleasant day :)

[@Trucmuch]

9:53 I love the "Holy shit that is not remotely the point" magazine. Two main articles in this issue 1/ Adolf Hitler: Nice to his dogs! 2/ Is there a gender wage gap in child labor? I love they spent time on article titles that almost no one would read.

[@cjberg3574]

Looking to see if anyone else noticed that😂😂

[@MyNameIsBucket]

Can't wait for next month's feature, "The Irish were slaves too".

[@joeybleu66]

in great britain 8 year old children would fill the coal bags for their moms. who would then haul 80 lbs of coal up ladders. the men worked the stopes.

[@tuojiangoman3228]

Hmm, I got a new article for that: “Global Warming will increase fertile soil in Siberia” I'm not joking. That was a legitimate argument in favor of not stopping climate change.

[@joeybleu66]

@@tuojiangoman3228 Another good reason is that Florida will disappear.

[@Luzarioth]

"I have to believe this, I am British" Yeah as a German... I absolutly agree ^^*

[@kamilkrupinski1793]

That "My granpa was a poor farmer who defended his house" guy was missing the point BIG TIME. His ancestor was so poor also because he couldn`t compete with large plantations that were able to grow more crops thanks to cheap labour. What`s more, the North didn`t fight against individual farmers - quite the opposite. His home wasn`t endangered by the North - it was endangered because of the war which was started by the plantators defending their own interests. And the plantators were just a small fraction of the population of the South. Everyone else had nothing to gain fighting for them. But the southern leaders made them believe that their "way of life" was under threat. But only a fraction of the southerners had slaves, and they were the only ones whose "way of life" was under threat. And that "way of life" was just exploiting people, brutally. Still, the North wasn`t totally innocent. There was a lot of workers exploitation in the northern factories, and their individual farmers were so successful because they were taking land from the Native Americans. But that`s not enough to say that both sides had the same positions here. The North was not basing on human misery. It wasn`t in the constitution of the US. In the South - quite opposite.

[@novaiscool1]

@Anonymous Anonymous They only did that after the war started. Had the Confederacy not gone to war with the remaining United States those farms would have been fine as the US didn't care about farms ran by family's or that hired and paid there workers.

[@Heathcoatman]

This is merely the argument he heard somewhere else that sounds much better than what he really thinks. He only says those things when no one is filming. His 'my poor family' routine is just for the 'libtard media'.

[@southerngent8162]

The war was not started by the planters. The war was started by Lincoln who was occupying Fort Sumter 5 months after South Carolina seceded. You fools deny everything about history. You idiots have no concept of it. And you say cheap labor. Lmao Why do you think only the wealthy owned slaves? It cost around $800 per slave in 1860 when most people only made around 10-20 cents a day. It wasn't cheap labor. They fed them, clothed them, gave them medical care, and housed them. Many slaves lived in houses that were no worse than many poor free people. If that war was about slavery then slavery would have been the only thing effected by that war. But it wasn't, it was the most insignificant thing touched by that war. If the war was over slavery dont you think the side fighting to end it would have ended it within their own jurisdiction before they fought to end it? The northern Stayes were the last to free their slaves morom, but you claim they were fighting because they didnt want it. Secession was over the preservation of the separation of powers. The war was because the States seceded and left the Union. Slavery was not the cause of the reason. The Emancipation Proclamation was only a war measure, it was not legislation. The British did the same thing. The militaries would offer the slaves of their enemies freedom of they joined them and fought against their masters. It was not about slavery except to the slaves later on in the war. Get off the slavery bullshit. Slavery was a product of it's time. The balance of powers is permanent and still effects us all today. You all are ignorant of history and you give blacks way too much credit for U.S. history. It wasn't about slaves dumbass.

[@Heathcoatman]

@@southerngent8162 Nothing like an ignorance and racist rant by a simpleton to make people laugh.

[@southerngent8162]

@@Heathcoatman Simpleton? I'm not the one spewing the ignorance. I have been through school on history and political science. It is your ignorance of not knowing the history of this country. The words of both sides said it was other reasons. "The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came." PresidentDavis of the Confederacy is one of the most quoted men in American history. "All we ask is to be let alone." Jefferson Davis "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery." Abraham Lincoln You morons have no clue as to what Americas history has always been about. You twist it and simplify it to make its truths eroded. It was all about the separation of powers. It was all about the Constitution. It had nothing to do with slavery except to you idiots. The abolishment of slavery was a consequence of the war, not the cause or purpose. All the words and speeches of the political leaders of that time said it was about other things. You dont know shit. Truth is laughing at you. The only ones who keep slavery alive are you morons who wont let it go, but we still have an ever infringing centralized govt that does not follow the separation of powers as delegated by the Constitution. You are too ignorant to think critically. You can't comprehend the political history so you make it a simplified issue that makes you feel justified and important to history. You are a moron. The confederacies entire stance was based on the preservation of the political system the Founders created. It had nothing to do with slavery which was a labor institution of that time. Slavery was only one clause in the Confederate Constitution while the entire theme of the minor changes was to clarify all the controversial issues based on the Constitutional debates over the time from when the Constitution was ratified to that current period. Only morons can only make the argument that it was slavery. Because you have no indepth education, only what you have been told and what you want to believe.

[@gnbman]

I hear Jeff Sessions has appeared on the most covers of "Holy Sh*t That is Not Remotely the Point" magazine.

[@brendenedgeworth9311]

In trumps voice “SAD”!

[@patrickspence1871]

gnbman as does Kellyanne Conway!

[@krampus225]

zak wurzbach Hey gnbman, I think zak wants a date with you.

[@ZakkWurzbach]

Krampus yes!!! Only if I can fuck that beard on the first date

[@ZakkWurzbach]

Patrick Spence kellyanne and Trump have a pussy.. I mean strange relationship

[@dbaa23]

I didn’t check the date. I literally thought this was taped two weeks ago.

[@alobassmann]

Shit, you´re right! 3 Years later and it still stands unchanged!

[@nkosinathindala4745]

Damn, I just saw that

[@SuperVToad]

@dsndicmsa yes, clearly you didn't watch and listen to the whole thing... sigh. Where does it stop? Somewhere..

[@SinAlameda]

@dsndicmsa yeah, so most of what you wrote is bullshit.

[@TeezieMo]

dsndicmsa if that is honestly ALL you got from the video than you missed the entire point.. smh.. Are you related to that fat dude with the flag? If so, it allll makes sense. 😂😂

[@ronankermit]

One of the best segments I've seen. Bravo, six years later.

[@kittygrimm7301]

I see it this way: it is important to remember even the most negative parts of history, *but* there is a big difference between remembering those parts of history and glorifying them.

[@Anonymous-js5zn]

Damn straight

[@khadijahbindavid9518]

@@Ciscodays As a southerner, I don't think its as high as 90%, especially among young people and minorities. Its just the---using your term "cave dwellers"---are usually the loudest. There are certainly a lot though

[@randycastaneda424]

@@khadijahbindavid9518 I think so too there children are more liberal even though they are still conservatives got alot fb friends old ones that post non stop pro trump. I mean like they worship the guy like he's Jesus or something. I saw one arguing with a Canadian about masks how they are stealing American masks.

[@stofferrussell]

Best comment ever. Well said Kitty,

[@MrSigmatico]

Here is an idea, let the retards go, give those dumb southern fucks their freedom and get on with your lives, let them establish their kingdom of heaven and when they have killed each other off over the question of what does god think of a prawn cocktail take the land back and settle it with people who aren't dumb enough to think the world is only 5000 years old?

[@natashamilton4298]

Watching this in 2020 and hearing the studio is so comforting

[@MirageCalico]

i know right its so creepy without it

[@maidenlord6663]

All the laughs and things you hear is a soundboard

[@jatilq]

I was thinking I was getting too much joy watching this.

[@natashamilton4298]

@@maidenlord6663 yes some are studio but some are real too. That's the reason we dont have the fake laughs in the new version

[@stoneosborne9247]

Man, Oliver's Corona Virus video this week just wouldn't have hit the same with an audience. I do miss it though

[@JC42023]

_"We all have a little rebel in us, even the ladies"_ So I take it he'll be okay if women decide to take up arms to protect their reproductive rights?

[@mortuos557]

Sure go ahead, don't you have the second amendment for those cases?

[@twirv]

eek too much rebel

[@MCShvabo]

Yes, but beware that when you shoot people tend to shoot back.

[@mortuos557]

@@MCShvabo If you are afraid of being shot at, you can remove the second amendment, because the US military is probably better at shooting back.

[@MCShvabo]

@@mortuos557 Not at the slightest, just explaining to our dear OP that taking up arms has consequences.

[@phantomstrider]

That scream of delight when Stephen showed up was just precious.

[@declanjones8888]

Hey it's you! I'm gonna watch some of your old videos.

[@phantomstrider]

@@declanjones8888 Hey thanks Declan 😄 Always nice to meet an old viewer

[@NathanielsAutisticShorts]

What the heck are you doing here?!

[@dariusw1776]

I'm from Germany: I'm pretty sure we remember our history, but I can't remember being surrounded by nazi symbols and statues. So yes... you can remember history while not celebrating it.

[@richardhaighway4816]

For what it's worth, the difference isn't the statue. It's the education and acknowledgment of your past. You all know and acknowledge history. American's will tell you 15 different tales, depending on 15 different factors

[@gristlybillow7050]

Without causing offence, can I ask what is taught about that period in history? I ask because, as a brit, we got our glorious history at school, but didn't learn about our shitty imperialism until I decided to open a book myself

[@richardhaighway4816]

Being Canadian we don't learn of our tumultuous relationship and treatment of Indigenous Peoples either. But, I am very exposed to the US and I can tell that dependent on the state you could learn that the war was about, states rights, tarrifs, slavery, etc. They also don't teach anywhere the continued sufferings of AA People beyond the Civil War. They basically says "we had slaves, there was a war, there wasn't slaves" and thats that

[@gristlybillow7050]

now that's an education. British imperialism and the way we industrialised the slave trade is kept strictly off our curriculum. Hope my question didn't cause offence

[@jahbama6202]

@@gristlybillow7050 we get taught how shitty we were in Scotland

[@EdgarTheOgre]

It blows my mind how so many people are decided to be "proud" of ancestor that died almost 100 years before they were born and that fought for such bs. Heritage are customs and traditions, like music, literature, architecture; not an evil and failed economic system that relied completely on exploiting people until death.

[@markwilson593]

No you cannot change history, but you do not have to glorify the most heinous parts and people of history.

[@StormCrownSr]

@@Second.Coming Are they erecting statues of American Generals?

[@paintpink7300]

I’m so thankful for the conversations that were had all these many years ago. I was born and raised as a white child in the south (mostly Texas). We learned about out “heroes” in school learning about the war of “northern aggression”. I was born in Jefferson Davis hospital. I supported the monuments until I learned WHY the were put up. I was horrified and never once thought of the true cost. People ARE learning and things are changing slowly. My hat is off those those that are on the ground making changes.

[@benadrylcucumbersnatch9401]

"Think he deserved it?" **without a split second of hesitation** "Yeah"

[@anthrosapien3784]

Lol

[@harrisonw6065]

Gotta hand it to him for having the moral compass to admit it that easily. Way too many people romanticise America's history

[@SecsSells]

@@harrisonw6065 Moral compass? That opens another can of worms entirely with this guy.

[@SuperVaIle]

They say that during a firing squad execution one randomly selected shooter is given a blank bullet so afterwards each of them could plausibly tell themselves that they were the one with the blank and therefore didn't have blood on their hands. Similarly, a descendant of a Confederate soldier could plausibly tell themselves that their ancestors didn't fight specifically for slavery because it feels better. But this idea that the civil war wasn't about slavery is like those firing squad soldiers announcing that they all think they had the blank bullet and therefore the condemned man must still be alive. (Yes I know this video is 3 years old)

[@michaelduke2026]

This is a really great analogy. Thank you.

[@tally9542]

The thing is though, you can tell if you've fired the bullet or the blank afterwards. The blank is just to make starting, easier to swallow. For kids I think you can hold this true too. If you say they weren't all blanket bad, and that no one is responsible for the actions of their ancestors, it can be taught just fine without statues.

[@deannasmith4443]

i too enjoy necroposting.

[@billbobaggins801]

Slavery was a part of it, but not ALL OF IT. You also don't get to DICTATE what people like or dislike. You don't get to DICTATE history. Should we just call you little Hitler?

[@michaelbayer5094]

From Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865 as the war was winding down: "One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war." In 1865, every American knew the Civil War was about slavery. After the treasonous Southerners lost the war, they began a propaganda war telling Americans that the cause of the Civil War was states' rights. The South won the propaganda war because too many people believe that lie.

[@saakmalo8273]

Is it really American heritage if it's celebrating people who tried to _leave_ America?

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Mental gymnastics don't need logic..

[@ScorieDivine]

It is in the same way that America has an obvious English heritage whilst also glorifying its Founding Fathers (people who tried to leave England, believe it or not). Identity and heritage are complex matters, better left to people capable of understanding more subtle realities than "Team A VS Team B".

[@hunterblane610]

@@ScorieDivine Yeah, but people aren't going out of there way to identify themselves or the founding fathers as English.

[@jacoblimber4040]

hunter blane almost first American immigrants to North America is English

[@under3089]

Lol

[@jamesburke4505]

"Is there a wage gap in child labour" is a tragically underrecognised gag in this clip

[@MCny12]

I love to hear the same people who today is against teaching kids about the African American suffering say that “you can’t pick and choose your history”

[@kenabbott8585]

Absolutely nobody is against teaching kids about African American suffering. Leftists just lie about it, because they can't actually defend marxism based on the facts.

[@MorganBondelid]

They always tell us _what they plan to do_ by *accusing us of having already done it.*

[@Heliosphan15]

I’m so glad I went to school in the 2000’s School sounds like screaming fecal storms now.

[@elizabeththompson7046]

Precisely.

[@nickalejandro6918]

"The confederacy wasn't racist! They just fought for states rights!" States right's to do what....

[@Ol_Bron]

To vote and make laws on that would better benefit thier people. A lot like the American revolution.

[@nickalejandro6918]

except black people lolololol smh there's always one, news flash thats what the union wanted and ended up doing so................try again lol

[@BlackHearthguard]

State's rights to hold slaves of course.

[@mnrsteeljoutafel]

The Realist slavery

[@sparkplugdoug4489]

And don't forget the right to not have unfair tariffs and taxes levied against them to combat European's products being imported to the south at much lower costs than the prices of the north.

[@mavendeo]

"Our friendly north/south rivalry." You must be joking...

[@sup4744]

This is a comedy

[@MeltedPearls]

A fully autonomous artificial intelligence But sadly, that is how Southern children often hear it. It's become not "history," because we "lost," after all, but a smoldering hostile competitive grudge we "joke" about. Such a sick and stagnant practice of rewriting history through emotional manipulation.

[@NewYorkKnightsCombat1]

Run a search on KZbin for that video and watch it in it s full-length glory. It is one amazing piece of antediluvian southern Americana packaged as a Medieval Times dinner show.

[@joshisajedi2461]

New York Knights Combat + So it’s a pre-Noah’s ark flood story about America that takes place in the Middle Ages? Are you sure this isn’t a Back To The Future dinner show?

[@Serpillard]

A friendly rivalry with friendly machine gun fire and everything! Oh, that was so much fun!

[@Wh40kFinatic]

These people have absolutely zero clue that the reason those statues and monuments were put up was for the explicit purpose of re-writing and forgetting history.

[@dylandugan76]

Imagine PROUDLY considering an institution that was not only indisputably morally wrong, but also a catastrophic failure to be a part of "your heritage", despite it only existing for four years, several lifetimes ago.

[@Bellephus]

The Civil War being the deadliest war in American history kind of dispels the "ONLY FOUR YEARS" argument.

[@ClawedAsh]

@@Bellephus It was still only four years, four brutal and bloody years, but only four

[@AWSVids]

@@Bellephus Umm.... HOW? The level of deadliness doesn't change how long it was.

[@Bellephus]

@@AWSVids Bloodshed defines every conflict, not how long it lasted.

[@AWSVids]

@@Bellephus That has no bearing on what the comment you were replying to said, though. The level of deadliness doesn’t change how long it lasted. The comment said that it only lasted four years as a way of showing that the Confederacy wasn’t some huge period of cultural meaning for the South that lasted generations or something, it was only 4 years. It being a bloody war doesn’t somehow make the Confederacy more legit or something. So what is your point in feeling the need to care about how deadly it was more than how long it lasted, given what Dylan was talking about?

[@CommentPoster10]

Everyone's talking about flags and I'm just thinking about how Stephen Colbert had to stand under a sheet for 20 minutes

[@veskokanchev2285]

Or, more likely, 1 minute.

[@JohnPaul-lu6kr]

CommentPoster10 You Don’t know how TV production work do you?!!

[@frontier_kittie9029]

@@JohnPaul-lu6kr it's funny to think about him standing under there for the whole show it's weird that that triggers you but you probably jump at any opportunity to shit on someone

[@quadrod]

The fact that this is incredibly relevant today is... pathetically disgusting.

[@gc99289]

States rights and decision of people to choose their way of life is so "disgusting". Liberal sheeple won't understand until the time comes.

[@seeyaaseeyaa464]

The fact social injustice or systemic racism after slavery was almost 200 years ago or pandemics/wars/ect for a small group to make money is the most sad .. but hey we have a great constitution !

[@ehinton4006]

brajamtho757 nobody even mentioned joe Biden though. Go away

[@vvvjjjjjjjj]

The media makes it relevant...not reality’s

[@gc99289]

@AlphaChocolateTruffle Keyword "reasons". You know what Lincoln wanted to do with black slaves? Ship them the f8ck bad to Africa, like most presidents until modern era. War had nothing to do with concept of "slavery" and the high horse of Lincoln. It was all about states rights vs federal authority. Considering north outnumbered south by 2:1 in terms of troops, it is clear why south "lost".

[@zigzag321go]

Confederates: The civil war was about states rights. "States rights to do what?"

[@LizChurchill-p8w]

To own slaves!

[@DJCosmicLatte]

Them: "You can't pick and choose history" Also them: "Let's not teach kids about slavery and pretend this country isn't a fucking mess"

[@MarcillaSmith]

I'm glad people say it was fought over sl@very and not over emancipation, seeing as how the Fourteenth Amendment didn't _end_ sl@very, but instead changed the institution to what it is today. Also, we are gross 🤢

[@ClawedAsh]

@@MarcillaSmith 13th, it was the 13th Amendment that ended Slavery in the US "Except as a punishment as a Crime", which yes that exception is awful, and the post Reconstruction South had a lot of issues of essentially "Neo-Slavery". But that latter part was not caused by the 13th Amendment, but by the failures of Reconstruction

[@kenabbott8585]

"Also them: "Let's not teach kids about slavery and pretend this country isn't a fucking mess"" "Also" as in "absolutely nobody has said this, but we need dishonest accusations to make up for our total lack of actual argument.

[@projectpitchfork860]

@@kenabbott8585 No, also as in, republicans are trying to get the history of white supremacy out of school. Like that lost cause bs. Or the whitewashing kf Martin Luther King Jr.

[@kenabbott8585]

@@projectpitchfork860 "No, also as in, republicans are trying to get the history of white supremacy out of school." There's the confusion. I'm talking about something that somebody has actually said or done.

[@digglethedogdad4788]

I can't believe this is three years old now, Oh god 2020 no more surprises.

[@Elanowebdes]

Oh thanks I thaught it just got out lool KZbin got me again...

[@jazmindodds]

Literally me too! At least real action is being taken now

[@dinamosflams]

"No more surprises for 2020? I wouldn't bet on this, lol." -God

[@slurricrasher9923]

LOL Saaaame. I already watched this back then and it showed up in my feed again. My, how quickly things have escalated since then....

[@carolinemaybe]

Nathan Tankersley ugh please learn what the left are asking for.

[@rayaeparker8973]

"It's part of history." Well I sure as hell didn't see any fucking statues of Hitler when I lived in Germany. Maybe making statues of people who did terrible things *isn't* such a good idea.

[@john.d.rockefeller2538]

To be fair hitler is worse than slave owners than an order of several magnitudes

[@Reseng]

Honestly...why even make statues of people?

[@harvey1954]

@@Reseng Because of the sacrifices they made.

[@todbaner3385]

@@harvey1954 the sacrifices they made to preserve slavery? Lol shut up man.

[@adrianh.6022]

We have some of Karl Marx though

[@bamse1618]

So, European Americans do not want to get rid of their confederate symbols, because it is "part of their history", but do not want CRT to be taught in public schools.

[@leejcobb8009]

Well, no wonder CRT wants them to be the oppressors! I pretty sure a lot of them are not old enough to have owned anyone. And most people complaining are not old enough to be the victims. Why make the children fell negative by some woke teacher the has a axe to grind?

[@ardentdenizen0244]

@@leejcobb8009 The point of CRT isn't to make you feel bad if your ancestors were major dicks, it's to teach about the impact that race and racism had in American history. If that's troubling to you, maybe you need it the most. There's this old saying that applies well here: "facts don't care about your feelings".

[@RSVPrr]

​@@leejcobb8009 u r truly s.ck. trying to erase history for ur "feelings". Typical Caucas.an mentality. U people r horrible

[@HectorGonzales-o1n]

@@leejcobb8009so children, by that logic shouldn’t be learning about any wars in general including Biblical wars.

[@MustHaveWine]

​@@HectorGonzales-o1nMic drop!!!

[@RealPumpkinJay]

I’d love to come up with a more comfortable history for my country and I’m German. That’s simply not how this works.

[@s.f.2632]

Same as a swiss

[@user-ck2fz2uc3n]

And a Brit, luckily since I’m Welsh I can at least play that card

[@stephenbayer957]

John Oliver wants to talk about history. Please, go a head

[@Ciaccolato]

Italian here, probably had ancestors involved someway in the regime or in the colonies Yeah, not everything can be shiny and nice

[@RealPumpkinJay]

@Its_nosipho Oh yeah… whenever they aren’t using my history as the bogey man, they’re using yours.

[@discflame]

*Statue of Robert E. Lee is removed from a public park somewhere* "Aw fuck, now I can't remember who lost the Civil War."

[@ma3zf]

I think this whole "erasing history" is the most socially acceptable code for "I know and agree with what the deal REALLY is, but not mature enough to admit it."

[@sirtoby4939]

I totally LOL'd.

[@Oban2006]

Diskflame Lol Exactly cuckservatives mentality

[@Ren-ck3cl]

Robert E lee is the same as the confederate flag, taken out of context. The confederate flag represented the collective south, NOT SLAVERY. The civil war was not primarily based on slavery, Abraham Lincoln himself offered the south multiple attempts to regain "slavery in perpetuity" (meaning he would continue to allow slavery as long as the south rejoined) the confederacy declined because slavery was not the primary motivator, the main motivation was economic representation. Look up the Corwin amendment if you don't believe me. Also since when did there become a magic line between the union and the confederacy BOTH SIDES had slaves before and after the emancipation proclamation, the only reason the south had more was due to their agricultural economy. A famous quote reads "history is written by the victors" the south has been disparaged and defamed for so long it has turned many good men and icons into symbols of hate, everyone needs to educate themselves on these topics. As to the flag being a symbol of rebellion that is the same for our union flag, we ourselves separated from Britain for the same reason the south did, economic representation and taxation.

[@danielw.8356]

Robert E Lee was an American War Hero before the Civil War. He opposed slavery, and even freed the slaves he inherited from his family. He fought the KKK, and other racist groups after the war. etc etc etc...you people know nothing of Robert E lee

[@PheydraSunstar]

The statue in Rio says: JESUS WANTS A HUG!!!!

[@safetyinspector250]

I love you this is a golden reference and i now have a question for you will you marry me?

[@ayushchawdhary537]

@@safetyinspector250 He/She didn't say no.

[@3Rayfire]

"You know you wanna hug it out...come on, bring it in. I know, I love you too."

[@PheydraSunstar]

Raven While I am hugely flattered I am already very happily married ☺️. But thank you for the offer, and have a virtual hug 🤗

[@TheAtomicBlom]

Bitches love cannons.

[@HeWhoIsNamedPatrick]

Jon absolutely killed it in this episode! He is like Jon Stewart in he tells the truth but does it in a way you will never forget!

[@lizziestockwell5461]

Japanese internment camps, trail of tears.... those are our history that people like to forget...

[@boomdos4265]

There are various trail of tear monuments all over the respective parts of the country. One Japanese internment camp is designated as a National Historic Site, Manzanar. Doubt people "like" to forget those.

[@lizziestockwell5461]

@@boomdos4265 the way I was taught in school is that the native Americans willingly moved to make room for the new Americans and that the Japanese internment camps were like a vacation. I had no idea til I got to college what actually went on.

[@winstonsmith11]

@@lizziestockwell5461 Where tf did you go to "school"? I used quotes for obvious reasons. As clearly you were misinformed, not educated.

[@lizziestockwell5461]

@@winstonsmith11 Missouri.

[@equalssign44]

Ok now I have questions for the Missouri education system...

[@DimaRakesah]

"You can't pick and choose what you decide is history" No, but you can choose which parts of history to glorify or condemn, and a racist Confederacy who wanted to literally own people as property seems like a good place to start the condemning in this country.

[@mattnewhouse1781]

Amen. Too many people still in denial in 2020. Whats the point of having schools federally funded if we dont tell them to teach truth to children. All the racists in america today went through the u.s. school system. Condemning the confederacy and teaching to children what was done would be great start.

[@albertrodriguez4190]

Good for you. I like that 👍

[@mightbearer]

👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@avionicsmuscle]

The Confederacy wasn't the ones that bought and sold slaves, it was part of America since the 1700's. That's almost 300 years before the South became a nation.

[@DimaRakesah]

@@avionicsmuscle Yes, but as this video points out, the Confederacy did make it a core principle to own slaves. The US was moving towards abolishing it.

[@blankface_]

"Think he deserved it?" "Yeah"

[@adamyves1750]

Erected where?

[@brendar9363]

Provocateur how tiny was it? And please convert from metric. Thanks.

[@willrainsford96]

I think they're talking about the one in Ulan Bator (Mongolia's capital and where the bulk of its population is). Which, afaik the Mongolian national obsession w/ Khan isn't 100% accepted either and due in great part to the loss of a cultural identity due to soviet influence. Even so, Khan isn't the greatest comparison here, considering that he terrorized Eurasia a lot longer ago than the Civil War, and he's mostly relevant to AP Euro students and Mongolians. obligatory postscript that while i've dabbled in mongolian culture im far from an expert or w/e

[@brandondavidson4085]

And there was no hesitation, at all.

[@Jazzisa311]

How is this a double standard? Is the statue in the US? Is Oliver defending it? No; it's a completely different subject. Can he only talk about confederate statues if he discusses every other statue in the world? Is that your point?

[@TheAwesomeHyperon]

Came back after Lee’s statue was finally destroyed.

[@snakeeyes4life]

Anderson Cooper gave a perfect answer without missing a beat.

[@flyinglack]

when you said "Anderson" and "Cooper" I thought you meant the character from titanfall 2 LOL

[@PartnershipsForYou]

@devil rain maybe, you jealous?

[@finchsktch17]

these replies killed me pleaseeee ...”worship marxism”...😭😭

[@cartaphilus242]

@devil rain Marxist. Democrat. Pick one lmfao

[@cartaphilus242]

@devil rain I've been around enough Marxists online to know that they viscerally hate Democrats more than you hate them lmao

[@PatrickH6973]

The guy who asked “who was working at that farm” was dressed hella swag

[@vladdraghici7237]

he looked damn rad

[@kickme5592]

He looks sick tbh I love it

[@npc6817]

@Tropic Lightning HE CAN'T AFFORD NICE CLOTHES, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH A DECENT CONFEDERATE FLAG COSTS?!?

[@sblack48]

But there is a bigger truth here. What he was saying was (not very well admittedly) is that a lot of confederate soldiers were NOT fighting for slavery because they were completely unaffected by it. They were subsistence farmers. Only the rich could afford slaves and they could also buy their way out of having to fight. As is so often the case, the poor were out getting slaughtered fighting the wars of the rich. And when they started to lose, the union troops came in and burned and sacked everyone’s farms, not just slave owner plantations. So to a large degree they were fighting for their own community against what they saw as a hostile invader. It is still seen that way down there today. And Lincoln himself did not sell it as a war against slavery until well into the conflict according to Ken Burns’ documentary. Until then it was about succession. But making it about slavery obliged nations like England and France who were anti slave to uphold the sanctions on buying southern cotton, which financed the confederacy. Now it could well be that these monuments went up later as a means of enforcing Jim Crow and the resurging strength of the racist south. After the war it seemed that nobody in the north cared about enforcing the constitution which was tragic. It wasn’t until the 1960s that it was legally addressed and it still hasn’t changed the attitudes of people. But I don’t think that all southern soldiers or officers were villains.

[@sblack48]

Tropic Lightning actually lots of southerners were murdered in their homes. If you think one side were angels and the other were devils you are dreaming. The north burned entire cities to the ground. You put men in the field for years in end and show them nothing but death and they will turn into animals no matter who the started out as.

[@andrewboldt9021]

It's sad that three years later this is still a 'controversial' issue. Tear down the traitor's monuments.

[@smallfryenjoyer]

@milton ritfeld yeah ok buddy

[@HellecticMojo]

@David Vazquez America has two right wing parties, but your ignorance of the party flip is still stupid.

[@1MarkKeller]

@@HellecticMojo It's not ignorance he displays, it's willful denial. They all do it as a way to childishly irritate the Left. They know they are lying but they get off on it, thus their need to support Their leader/role model: Trump.

[@samyes1726]

@milton ritfeld have you taken your medication today

[@Ellimist000]

@milton ritfeld why do you want statues of Democrats up then, you liberal shill? 😜

[@williamcrymes6352]

As a Charlestonian who grew up on a civil war fort (Fort Pemberton) and a backseat historian, one of the proudest moments of my life was jogging by Marion square at 5:30am watching the John C. Calhoun statue being removed.

[@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558]

Because you despise anyone that opposed unchecked power in the hands of the central government you worship?

[@zenever0]

@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 the CSA formed a stronger federal government than the Union by forbidding any state legislature to be made against slavery and was the first to begin conscription.

[@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558]

@@zenever0 > by forbidding any state legislature to be made against Do you believe the revisionist lie that states of the Confederacy were prohibited from abolishing slavery? They weren't. But the key issue with central governments wasn't the extent of the powers delegated by the states to the central government (or prohibited by the constitution to the states) but rather whether the states or the central government was "made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself."

[@Rundstedt1]

@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 Reality and the Confederate Constitution itself shows you a liar. The CSA constitution ensconced slavery forever. Article one section 9 paragraph 4 of the Confederate Constitution states: _"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in ne_ro slaves shall be passed."_ - Article I, Sec 9, p4 Note that this then means that it is even forbidden by the Confederate States to legislate against slavery internally. Further it states: _"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. _*_In all such territory the institution of ne_ro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government;_*_ and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."_ CSA Constitution Article IV Sec 2, p3 And so the new territory by their own law had to have legalized slavery and then nothing can be done to change that. They were looking to protect slavery forever! .

[@samaustin8690]

This actually changed my mind on this

[@phaggott]

Batter late than never... I guess

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Congratulations. Only another couple of million people to go ;)

[@notreallysure4575]

@@phaggott dont be like that, itll discourage people from keeping open minds. I think its absolutely wonderful that OP was open to having their mind changed

[@andreas_iced8297]

good for you, dude. john oliver is entertaining and educational. making a more informed decision and being able to better evaluate your own reasoning is good personal growth.

[@fijiwater4967]

Are You 10?

[@lordvoldemort8904]

The timeline chart on when most of these monuments were erected is pretty revelatory.

[@saintlugia]

Don't worry Voldemort one day you'll get a statue too if this video is anything to go by

[@lilianabacilio5812]

"Friendly Rivalry" is a really fun way of describing people killing each other.

[@SgtIronbeak]

... over slavery, at that!

[@GrayDogNowIDK]

7:17 "he fought for his rights" Yeah, to keep A FUCKING SLAVE YOU MINDLESS 5TH GRADER

[@tobiasreaper3650]

@@GrayDogNowIDK I've been in a long fight with someone else trying to explain that all those other issues are rooted in slavery

[@papacheese6823]

And America’s bloodiest war.

[@davidberry1618]

The food was banging though and real shit I am addicted to Pepsi. Oh yeah and it was completely out of touch. Lost cause and all that happy horseshit

[@DiamondWisps]

"It's not a hate symbol, I'm just honoring my heritage!!" and "The confederacy was just defending their rights, not slavery! (The rights they fought for were the rights to own slaves)" are stupid af quotes that I've seen too often

[@cameronjadewallace]

I've never laughed so hard in my life as I did when Anderson Cooper said his ancestor deserved what he got. I had to rewatch it a few times

[@blackroomrob4205]

Larry David took his news surprisingly well, too. Oliver was right... a Real One-Two Punch

[@curlyfry3049]

I don't think he meant it. Imagine the backlash he would have gotten if he said the opposite, people would have accused him of being racist or something.

[@obsolete18]

Lover Boy if I found out I had a slave owning ancestor who was beaten to death with a farm hoe I would say the same thing fucker deserved it

[@curlyfry3049]

@@obsolete18 If you have a family member or a very close friend that's a piece of shit, you're gonna defend them no matter what, right ? I feel Anderson Cooper said what he said to appease people, that's all.

[@saladman420]

Lover Boy no, lots of people in my family are pieces of shit and I wouldn’t defend them at all. Just because someone is in your family doesn’t mean you’re supposed to defend their shitty behavior.

[@jacoblesperance2115]

Imagine some one had a Nazi flag in there front yard, because they were honoring there grandfather who fought for the Nazi's.... Wonder how that would go

[@MarkSamurai5]

Then that person will be confronted by a lot of jews espcially if their neighbors are jewish lol

[@TheSneezingAnouki]

In Germany, that guy would go to prison. It is illegal to use Nazi imagery other than in an educational context

[@420mralucard]

@James Lasinski Freedom of expression ends where someone else begins though, that's why we have hate crimes. You can't just be a full on Neo-Nazi and then go "Mah Freedom of Expression!" Because your expression is saying "I think all these groups are subhuman and need to die."

[@restreven4455]

James Lasinski it stops right there. When we stop a guy from yelling fire in a movie theatre, yelling bomb at an airport and spewing prejudice at people. That’s where it stops. People who ask where does it stop annoy the hell out of me even when they’re asking in a really meaningful way. Because some people that ask where does it stop don’t actually care to even start the thing.

[@barryallen871]

In Argentina it would be perfectly normal...

[@whitedarkness11756]

I keep coming back to this. What's crazy is my grandmother, my mother's mother, used to have "servants" in her home country. She told me how she once blamed a young servant girl for something she did to a new batch of baby bunnies(she pulled some tails off). The young servant girl was then beaten for something my grandmother did. Hearing her she told it like it was a funny story and not incredibly fucking troubling. I can see that she was a fucking psychopath, but I know I'm not her and I can choose to be better than her. That's how history works, we need to learn to be better than the people we came from.

[@darylkenley8279]

That's what people have to serve others have to go through. Pathetic ass humans,have no trouble with fucking around someone who serves their lazy asses.pay back should be a BITCH...

[@garretts9529]

What kind of fucking monster pulls tails off of baby bunnies??!!?!

[@whitedarkness11756]

@@garretts9529 a pyschopath

[@joeybleu66]

unfortunately that the exception to the rule. abuse is multi generational.

[@BEdwardStover]

I still get to be surprised by people revealing their racist beliefs to me. The most recent my response was: You were at my wedding!!!! Do you NOT remember my Best Man? He is now dead, thanks to his patriotism and dedication to this country! He spent too much time in the Marine Corps at Camp LeJuene. He died of infections because of internal organ failures (multiples). She was also promoting the idea of lazy, which again, I could not abide. At the time I worked a part time job and most of my coworkers were black. Almost everyone had 2 jobs! Usually a full time and a part time. Some had 3 jobs. One guy had 4 jobs and was running his own business! If anyone was lazy it was me as I sat at home for years after becoming disabled. I only started back to work because one of my kid's schools needed more money than Pell Grants, scholarships, and student loans provided. They were telling his mother (my ex-wife) to take a loan. My condition had gotten better, so I went to work part time, as allowed by Social Security. Now I know I need to keep a job for the socialization it provides. 2 and a half additional years at home due to the pandemic and then cancer were making me go crazy.

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

The audience member absolutely losing their mind in the audience at the 'Grow A Penis" comment @15:00 was gold, lol.

[@ricardosoto5770]

Everybody cheered on when Saddam Hussein statue was felled. Everyone cheered on when the statues of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Ceceascu fell in Eastern Europe. None said that it was their heritage end must be preserved.

[@somedude335]

Absolutely, fuck Ceaucescu

[@williamwilson6499]

Ricardo...how do you know “everybody” cheered? You don’t. You’re just talking nonsense.

[@ricardosoto5770]

@@williamwilson6499 Ok, most people cheered. Its that more accurate or should I have counted them personally?

[@evelinapushkash6827]

Sadly here, in Ukraine there are still people who say they hate de-communisation and cry for the fallen Lenin statues. Thank God, most people are woke about how horrible those people were, but there are still towns who protect their communism glory

[@ricardosoto5770]

@@evelinapushkash6827 One word, Holodomor... But before that, you get the bolshevicks destroying the first Ukrainian state in 1918, or the massacre of Ukrainian anarchists by communist during the Civil War. The big famine of 1933 hit also southern Russia but it hit harder Ukraine killing millions of people and weaking the Soviet Union.

[@nithinsrivatsa4726]

"The Civil War was not about slavery, it was about states' rights." "The state's right to do what, sir?

[@wb2413]

not pay for the north

[@mnomadvfx]

@@wb2413 Which of course they could continue to do without slave labor to bolster their economy.... wait a minute!! It really doesn't take more than 30 seconds to notice the bullshit in responses like yours, it would be entertaining if it were not a tragic indication of the current US education system.

[@idigamstudios7463]

@@wb2413 On average it's the reverse

[@wb2413]

@@idigamstudios7463 no its not think about the EU when Britain left the EU did the EU invaid BRITAIN I think not

[@idigamstudios7463]

@@wb2413 Your response makes no sense. You said the south didn't want to pay for the north. On average the south receives more money in federal aid than they north. I have no idea where this false dichotomy brexit tangent came from.

[@VRBroadcasting]

When people say “It’s history! You can’t change history!”, “It’s a part of history and has a lot of historical significance!”, “I want it to stay, it’s heritage.” Say to them; Ask the people of Columbia, South Carolina if they want a statue of W.T. Sherman placed there. It does have a lot of historical significance there and would have a lot of meaning there. However, they would be absolutely livid about the notion. Because. Of. Their. History.

[@sagatuppercut2960]

I lived on the Fort Jackson military base and I met a lot of black folks who lived in Columbia, SC. So...ask them what statues they'd like to have up. Maybe Dizzy Gillespie or James Brown.

[@VRBroadcasting]

@Sagatuppercut SF2 I cannot speak for them. Because everyone has differing opinions about the subject, including the people that the statues are meant to intimidate. If they would like a statue of either of those men, then I fully support that. Not because I like their music, but because they didn’t actively try to kill US soldiers just to maintain a tyrannical institution. Soldiers like the people that reside at Fort Jackson. I presume you were living there either because you had a relative that served or is serving, or you were serving there?

[@sagatuppercut2960]

@@VRBroadcasting I was in the US Army. By the way, they made me wear a Union Army uniform during a ceremony. That uniform was very uncomfortable. I feel sorry for the soldiers that had to wear it during the summer.

[@VRBroadcasting]

@Sagatuppercut SF2 I do as well. It’s a very uncomfortable material. Hopefully a better material will be made for future events.

[@ComicWriter-ml3qt]

Who?

[@Rocksteady8519]

If Hitler was American there would be statues of him everywhere in the southern states xD

[@ZetsubenSama]

Amerikans still believe that hitler has statues in germany and that germans see him as "positive" to this day.

[@no_aid_for_UKRAINE]

​@@ZetsubenSamajfk knew it to be true

[@ZetsubenSama]

G00fy as birch 🤡💀​@@no_aid_for_UKRAINE

[@ringgold05]

Another point is that, in some contexts, the Confederacy actually didn't believe in states rights in regards to slavery. For example, a popular pre-Civil War belief was that of popular sovereignty, which says that each state should decide for itself whether it should allow slavery. Most Southerners were against this, instead arguing for universal slavery. So anyone who says the Civil War was about states rights is wrong on SEVERAL counts.

[@owexsolo]

Exactly… Take one look at their proposed constitution, which ingrained slavery in as an inalienable right of the white man, and would never be allowed to be abolished.

[@BEdwardStover]

You actually remember learning about the Missouri Compromise! Congratulations to you and to your history teacher!

[@BeetleSpoon2770]

Exactly. People just need to read the secession papers which are free and widely available. It’s the documents the Confederate states wrote about why they want to leave. They all say “to protect the institution of slavery”

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

"states right" is merely a refuge whenever the policy is denied at a federal level. Happened with slavery, happened with abortion, will happen with plenty of other things. They try to enforce it at the federal level, the feds rule the other way, suddenly it's a "states" matter so they can get the ruling they want in at least their own territories.

[@daveb7889]

​@Danny Lee Secession was not a declaration of war, it was a declaration of leaving the USA to start a new Country.

[@jonc1345]

"You can't change history " says the people who changed the slave trade in the history books.

[@Qorelin]

I'll leave this here before more morons reply. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy The south held massive political power in congress because of the 3/5ths compromise, which counted each black person as 3/5ths of a person when counting for proportional representation, even though they did not have the ability to vote. This meant they could pass whatever laws they wanted in support of slave states with impunity. The south feared Lincoln would abolish slavery, and therefore destroy their power, so 7 states seceded when he won the election, despite his name not appearing on the ballots of 10 southern states. When the confederates attacked and Civil War broke out, the north let blacks serve in the military. As war dragged on, the north realized that when the war ended, the slaves would have to go back to the slave owners, or they could be freed and be allies of the union. Blacks, by circumstance could not possibly be neutral, so emancipation was pushed hard by radical republicans. Through the confiscation Act, the north declared they could confiscate any property used by confederates, including slaves, who would usually then join the union army. Any slaves freed in such a way, would not be returned to the south as slaves. It helped massively that southern whites were too proud to let slaves fight for them, as blacks were 'inferior'. They finally let slaves fight near the end of the war, but only with consent from their masters, so fewer than 50 ever fought for them. What I'm trying to say is, the north did not have more slaves than the south. anyone saying that is full of shit.

[@ShabazzTBL]

And say stuff like “The Republicans freed the slaves!”

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Komninos Maraslidis 4 northern states held slaves during war. Kentucky, Maryland Missouri and I wanna say Delaware. So explain that please

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Komninos Maraslidis maybe find a less biased source than Vox lol. Hardly a bastion of impartiality and honest journalism

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dave charmer I'm pretty sure 85% of slaves lived in the south