Confessions of an Enneagram 5w4 INTJ (Female Type Five 5)

[@shutupmomscalling]

As an INTJ 5w4 myself, this video is so insightful and by far the most accurate one I've seen. I like how you brought up the stuff that's less talked about or usually confused with being "emotionless" or "selfish", when that's not the case at all. We're just more goal-driven than others and value self-dependency for future situations. Also I really can't get myself to believe in something until it entirely makes sense (basically the practical reasoning behind it). Don't know if it's a type 5 thing or just me lol.

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌 Yes - well said! Exactly! :). Thanks for your comment!! Sandy

[@lauren12]

“If I ask for help it’s because I’m probably already drowning” yessss 😭 and then they often say no and it’s the worst thing ever.

[@HighFiveFriend]

Hugs, friend. I soooo feel this ❤️. True, unconditional friendship is such a rare gift. So glad you are here!

[@g.ndiegebuchanan8862]

Fellow INTJ 5w4 here. Loved the video and how eerily accurate your points were.

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌🏽Hello and high five! Glad you related :). You a photographer? Great profile pic! S

[@HermesGirl]

"If I don't know what I am talking about, I won't be talking." LOL Yup Unless I am asking questions. But these questions are not casual niceties. These are serious questions. Because something you said doesn't make sense. And now I have to solve it. Also, I have people asking me for advice out of the blue. Like people from high school I may not even remember, asking me SUPER personal, very important questions with consequences. Like whoa... wtf? But I always end up answering them. Deeply, well researched, kindly, but very bluntly. This has happened so often over the years that I made up a joke hashtag about it #letmebeyourlifecoach hahahaha.. recently I have added, #icouldbeyourdatingguru hahahaha ... There must be something about me (INTJ 5w4 female) that says. "I won't judge you or scold you no matter what you say. I will offer practical opinion or guidance on whatever it is."

[@raejae5941]

Hate HATE being addressed as “Team” No we are a varied group of people who happen to work together at the same place.

[@brhsmaa]

this is so real

[@ngl6626]

I'm 5w4 INTJ and LII. I can’t say I know as much as most of the people interested in this do. This video is very helpful. I’ve been reading about all these things because I have always felt like I can’t relate to people around me and I dont feel comfortable opening up or even just simply telling others about what I truly think or feel. I feel like no one would ever understand me so I choose to keep everything to myself.

[@HighFiveFriend]

Hi 🙋‍♀️ I hope that you feel understood here ❤️. You are beautifully and uniquely made. You, your thoughts, your feelings, all have value... far beyond what you can imagine. We are all on this journey through life and have had different experiences, have different talents, but I know this - in community we are better. Thank you for your thoughts, and I hope you choose to stay connected. Great things to come! Sandy “That you are here-that life exists and identity, That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.” - Walt Whitman

[@JH-yj7kk]

Glad to hear you mention the stare. Sometimes I look people in the eye and they flinch! I also hate people wasting my time or not being upfront about how long something will take. I am forgiving about others being late now and then as I understand it happens to everyone, but it drives me crazy when someone has the "I'll get there when I get there" attitude. Also meetings!!! Most meetings are so pointless and could be emails. I have to attend a monthly after hours staff meeting, which is fine because it's part of what is expected of me in my position. However, I find the meetings UNBEARABLE because management tries too hard to make them not just a boring old meeting, but a fun social team bonding experience! I'm not anti fun but I hate being told "you will have fun!". It's ok for a meeting to just be a meeting! All the "fun" stuff isn't actually fun and is just a waste of my one life on earth lol. I find it so insulting and infuriating.

[@HighFiveFriend]

High five 🙌 friend!! You said it so well - Meeting don’t need to be fun... they need to be effective and short! 😉 I so appreciate you taking the time to comment... made my day!

[@sylviatalerz9315]

Why this is so accurate... I mean, it's kinda creepy but ok, now I feel understood. P.S 5w4 INFJ here ✋

[@HighFiveFriend]

Hi!!! Love it ! ❤️ 😆. So glad you are here. S

[@tanstaafl28]

As a 5w6 ENTP, I really appreciate the contribitions of a 5w4 INTJ. They are no-nonsense folk who speak their minds and often make great sounding boards for all my wild ideas and notions. They really help keep me grounded and yet still encourage me to keep working at a given problem. I enjoy their organization skills too!

[@HighFiveFriend]

Recognizing we all have different strengths - I love it!!! 🙌.

[@Cymatic-Mage]

ENTPs are fun to debate with, I've found. Wish I had some around to cause theoretical anarchy with. 😏

[@veyarain82]

Oh, the asking for help one really resonated deeply, and the invitations one made me chuckle. Very true.

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌. Thanks for taking time to watch and comment!

[@coryy9745]

I still can't believe that I'm not the only person out there that really appreciates an invitation to something, but may end up not going because "reasons."

[@HighFiveFriend]

👋 Hi! So glad you are here! So happy it resonated with you 😊.

[@esperanzagene310]

INTJ 5w4 SO here, aaaaand my partner thinks I'm an alien lol. He's an ENFP & typed/tested as a 4 (I'd say 4w5/Bohemian SP). Definitely sending this to him. It's not easy being a woman with personality types that are more often seen in males (in western society anyway). I always appreciate getting more language to articulate myself to the select people in my life that matter. That said, thank you!! :)

[@HighFiveFriend]

You’ve made my day!!! ❤️ I’m in the process of putting together a panel of women 5’s and I can hardly contain myself :). Thanks for your comment and so glad you are here - We’ve got to stick together!!! 🙌. Sandy

[@esperanzagene310]

@@HighFiveFriend Oh dear God a PANEL?!? I cannot wait!! That sounds like heaven 😭 We absolutely need to stick together. Thank you for the warm welcome!

[@johnhill762]

Heh…. I feel like an alien all the time. I believe the great German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche was an 5w4 INTJ and definitely felt like an alien - completely lonely and isolated. No one was on his mental level. That seems to be the basic feeling us 5w4s get. We are on a different wavelength.

[@Julia-ie6pd]

I respect how you respect yourself, I realized how much I have to learn to love myself more

[@HighFiveFriend]

❤️. We are all a work in progress. Some days are better than others, for sure! The human condition, I suppose.... What I do know is that we are better together, my friend :). Love your way! 🤗. Sandy

[@cristinaas837]

I'm an intj 5 with even wings... this video fits me perfectly 💁🏼‍♀️

[@HighFiveFriend]

😀. HI!!! So glad we have found each other! S

[@darthlaurel]

Don't ask me how I am. If I wanted you to know, I'd tell you.

[@HighFiveFriend]

Noted!

[@zz2422]

So accurate. I laughed at myself.

[@giorgianardoni8277]

im an intj 5w4 like you!🥰

[@HighFiveFriend]

#greatminds. So glad we have connected! Thanks for your comment ❤️

[@kenzielove99]

when i finally ask for help i am gasping for air .......uggghhhhhhhhhh

[@HighFiveFriend]

Hugs, friend ❤️

[@sarcasticnerd2726]

The part of the invitations is so accurate. Even though no one notices, I am deeply hurt whenever people don't invite to something, it make me left out and like I am not deserving of going. The truth is that I might not even end up going but it was never about the event, it was about the invitation.

[@HighFiveFriend]

🤗 🙌 Hugs and a high five! I get it. ❤️ Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Sandy

[@manav3071]

Same type but male, pretty accurate for me too!!!

[@HighFiveFriend]

👋 I’m not the only one!!! :). Thanks for your comment - Made my day! Hope you are well, Sandy

[@manav3071]

@@HighFiveFriend I'm glad 🥰

[@randomAKboi]

Ditto Dude :)

[@patf3229]

I think some of these are more cultural than related to being a 5w4 (e.g., the importance of being "on time" is not a Type 5 trait per se; it is specific to some cultures and not others -- so in cultures where being on time is important, Type 5w4 may view someone being late as their energy being wasted/depleted, but in other cultures 5w4 doesn't view lateness in that way, and may even appreciate having more time to themselves to think). Also, describing the giving of an opinion as a scenario that someone could "win" isn't really a Type 5w4 motivation. Type 8, maybe. This part of the video seemed like it was about a specific situation (did something happen at work?) and not the overall motivations of a 5w4, which are more about wanting to be useful, and not so much about wanting to win or get one's way. The part about asking for help was spot on.

[@HighFiveFriend]

Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Great insight into the cultural view of time. Several commenters have mentioned they are always late and I’ve had different theories on this. But cultural is one I hadn’t dug into! Are you a 5? And where from? Just curious 😃

[@weareallhumanpodcast]

I agree with the bit on time. I am either exactly on time or late, but definitely do not want people waiting on me. That would be terrible to walk into a room with all eyes on me. Otherwise, all other parts were relatable. So much so, they evoked emotion in me - especially drowning when finally asking for help. It took my breath away when you said that. SX 5 INTJ here.

[@jennierussell7439]

I'm a 5 w4 and I'm usually late. I seem to have an unrealistic sense of time and also , I'm easily drawn in to activities when I should be walking out the door. It's a personal struggle, and I don't understand why anyone is offended by it. On the positive side, I never care when someone else is late.

[@ashcurtis3346]

Ahhh just as someone else said. This is eerily accurate. Except the events part - if I get ready, I am definitely going.

[@MrHarryc727]

Wow this feels so natural I am an intj.

[@HighFiveFriend]

👋 Hi! It feels good to know I’m not the only one. Thanks for taking time to comment and so glad we have connected! 😊 Sandy

[@MrHarryc727]

Yeah we are strangers to the world and normal to each other. Keep up the great work we don't need others telling our story.

[@HighFiveFriend]

@@MrHarryc727 ❤️

[@johnhill762]

Yes, being a 5w4 INTP, I agree with “I am thinking… deeply”. I started a self-description I once wrote with “I am, above all else, a thinker”. I also relate to “there are a lot of thoughts”. In fact, too many! My Facebook used to be filled with pages of thoughts… Eventually I had to stop, because people were exhausted, telling me “how can you have so many thoughts on every subject?” 🤷

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌 And we are left to wonder… “How do you NOT have so many thoughts on every subject”. 😉

[@johnhill762]

@@HighFiveFriend Yes, yes. Like “how can your thoughts be so simple?” 🤷

[@HighFiveFriend]

@@johnhill762 🙌

[@BPopovBG]

So I'm not the only one. Thank you for this video.

[@HighFiveFriend]

👋 😃

[@BPopovBG]

@@HighFiveFriend Btw I am 5w4, but INTP, I mostly agree with your lines, except people's opinion is never a definition of who I am to me, I ask people about opinion, only if I'm out of sources and still can't quite make the end statement. Do you have this problem also?

[@HighFiveFriend]

@@BPopovBG Interesting! As I have gotten older, I find I will first ask experts/people I trust then do more digging from there, rather than the other way around. (If I’m understanding your question correctly). Another twist on this is I have learned that just because I CAN do most things doesn’t mean I SHOULD (or that it is the best use of my time). This came with experience….. wisdom? 🤷‍♀️ 😂 Thanks for sharing your insight!!

[@BPopovBG]

@@HighFiveFriend Sometimes the energy we put is too much to justify we are right for example. Do you feel the same?

[@wynstansmom829]

Te-rrific content, @High Five Friend. Yes, I do want to be asked to attend someone's event and yes, I may think I want to go to this event and I may even, maybe, sometimes go to an event and... I think, there Wynstan Ferret I am.... but for me, over the years I have learned I enjoy thinking about the parties, events, plans, et al and that is really enough...but yes, please keep inviting me/us. “As a child I felt myself to be alone, and I am still, because I know things and must hint at things which others apparently know nothing of, and for the most part do not want to know. -Carl Jung

[@slofo6260]

yeah i really hate when people just lying in bed instead of getting ready and postponing their scheds like wtff

[@slofo6260]

i don’t like talking to ppl who ignores my opinions just cause it’s very different ftom their perspective it’s really soul crushing thn they had the audacity to ask why i don’t talk or don’t get intrigued by dramas or donugive them the most unrealistic compliments they wanna hear from me i’m the evil snd boring one oh sorry mory

[@cachectin23]

I am an INTP 5w4 sp/sx - I relate to all except I am always late because I have a bizarre sense of linear time. Also, I will ask for help only after I have already drowned, and even then I might not ask.

[@HighFiveFriend]

Hi! 👋. Great profile picture! The time thing makes sense. Any thoughts in why we don’t like asking for help? I’ve been working on this. Thanks for your comment!

[@cachectin23]

@@HighFiveFriend Thank you! Yes - I know exactly where it comes from. I had a very traumatic childhood and early adulthood. The only person I could trust to rely on was myself. Also, in my family dynamic, and help given was conditional. The only thing is I don't know the origins of how this aspect of my 5-ness came to be, whether it was environmental, innate or a combination of all three. I also am not sure if that is a commonality between 5s or my particular wing/tritype.

[@HighFiveFriend]

@@cachectin23 👍🏼 makes sense. The quest to figure out why /how / etc is a deep dive. And the Enneagram “childhood wounds” stings (no matter what number) for sure. We appear to have lots in common. I thank you for your thoughtful reply, and hope we stay connected and can continue conversation in some form or fashion 😊 Sandy

[@cachectin23]

@@HighFiveFriend absolutely. I am happy to contribute.

[@johnhill762]

Yeah, 5w4 INTP as well. Relate to most except the time section. Clearly, we are not Js.

[@PCT6566]

Even though I'm an INTP, I'm sending this link to my husband.

[@HighFiveFriend]

👍🏼 😊 Thanks for your comment!

[@rigel1215]

As an INTP 5w4 ,I'm always late in meeting (except if it's a routine gathering like in church wherein I'm familiar with the flow of the event), I'm late because my mind is busy creating scenarios of what might happen during the meeting, already thinking of possible problems that will arise and finding solutions, also thinking on how to direct the conversation. I'm always anticipating and wanted to be prepared for anything. But it's funny because 90% of the things that I have been thinking don't usually happen 😂.

[@HighFiveFriend]

Great insight Rigel! Has there been any strategies you have found that help with being on time for you? Or not really even concerned about it lol? I'm going to do a video on procrastination and would love your thoughts! Thanks for your comment, Sandy

[@chemtrooper1]

I abhor being blown off during a conversation, especially in subjects I happen to have great knowledge in; history is my expertise but I also discuss the sciences, religion and philosophy with great enthusiasm. I am definitely fine with being wrong but back it up with facts and data, not speculation. Ad hominem attacks turn me into a stone wall and I usually walk away without saying a word more because at that point, you are wasting my time! This tactic hasn't won me many friends but I don't want/need a whole bunch of them; I have my "elite" 5. Another pet peeve, endlessly talk about sports

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌 History, religion and philosophy… I’m in!!! So glad you have found us and thanks for your comment! S

[@chemtrooper1]

@@HighFiveFriend I’m ecstatic I found you guys!!😄.

[@shayh6684]

INTJ female wing 6 here. You're basically summarising me in this vid

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌🏽. High five, 5 friend! (And INTJ 😎 too!). So glad you are here!!! Thanks so much for your comment. Has made my day 😊 Sandy

[@patriciaschlessman5476]

I am a 5 with a 4 wing and run late often, and while I do sometimes bale on plans I want to go to I often go and stay late! I love being with certain people. Maybe that’s the 4 but I didn’t find the “YES that’s me” in this video like I did when reading my full results from truity. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@HighFiveFriend]

👋 Hi! You’re awesome! So glad you are here and thanks for your comment, Sandy

[@darthlaurel]

I don't mind things being late because I'm late a lot. Mostly because I don't want to waste my time.

[@HighFiveFriend]

Oooo! Interesting... I could totally see that! I’m now curious - is that conscious or unconscious do you figure? Thanks for your comment!! Sandy

[@darthlaurel]

I think it is unconscious mostly. I have what I call "exit issues". I don't want to be late. But I find when I am, I can slip into a meeting without the preliminary chitchat and get straight to work.

[@randomAKboi]

@@darthlaurel Interesting. For myself I characterized this as "If I end up with time enough to be early, I will self sabotage by over preparing," and have used that to attempt to recognize the cycle and end it, telling myself "I don't need to make myself late." The similarity that popped out to me is the fear of wasting time. I was wondering, for you (or anyone else) what is the detrimental implication present in a loss of time? I ask because I can't figure it out myself. Definitely not here to criticize.

[@darthlaurel]

@@randomAKboi Andre, I don't assume criticism. Thanks for making me think through this more deeply. Although I have pretty decent social skills, I am always anxious when I walk into a room filled with people (meaning anyone besides me). When I buy a ticket to a performance, I always pick an aisle seat (or front or back row) so I can easily get out with the least interaction with people. When I walk into a room for a meeting, I do as similar as the room allows. I might try to sit by someone who knows me well enough for me to feel comfortable, and will sit outside the circle of tables if the only seat is by someone I don't know. I'll chose a table with no one yet at it if I can. Maybe this is a territorial thing. You are right. I do not need to make myself late. And yet, I often do. I think it is to avoid interaction with people which, even with people I know and love, is difficult for me. One thing I also almost always do...bring something else to do. I'm not good with downtime. I take a book everywhere, or work, or something to do with my hands, and my mind.

[@randomAKboi]

@@darthlaurel thank you for your reply. While my drives feel different, the behavior of avoidance feels the same. I wonder if perhaps I'm just placing more emphasis on time than the energy and uncertainty of interaction, because I do some of the same things but for different reasons. Interesting. At shift report (hospital) i sit separately and attentively. This is because i have trouble focusing and wouldn't like to be distracted by the whispered cross talk. It feels more focus and rule driven, bit the behavior sounds so similar.... Sometimes i stretch out my bathroom time (like right now) because i need to he alone to concentrate, and I tend to read on the toilet. The list goes on. Do these behaviors sound similar? Should we both be looking for the agitation's source in subjective stimuli (neurosis) than objective stimuli (Time, others)?

[@darthlaurel]

Tell me when I've been right about advice I gave. I don't want to be right for my own sake. I want to be right for yours. Conversely, I also like knowing when I've been wrong. As a pessimistic person, I often hope that I am wrong.

[@HighFiveFriend]

This is super!! Well said.

[@randomAKboi]

Absolutely. I Don't care about being right in the context of ego-satisfaction, I need to know if the methods I used to fixed your problem are freaking viable. In my age I'm starting to figure out that normal ass people HATE admitting that they were wrong, or that something they were right about originated from an external source. My solution has been to pay more close attention to the changes in their mood in context with whatever advice I had given. Effective thought leads to effective action leads to attainment. Attainment makes people happy. Giving the means to attainment allows the source to be viewed as an asset, not an influence. Typically if someone acts on something I've helped with and it works out, I take the lift in mood once they notice I'm around or the desire to talk to me more as confirmation of a job well done. Doesn't always work though.

[@darthlaurel]

@@randomAKboi This is interesting. I don't know if I do this or not. I am *very* good at reading a room however and reading people, especially when I'm the one who has upset them. I think sometimes I might over-read people and assume things that might not be true. I could find out if they are or not true if I interacted more but I don't like doing that if I don't have to. What I've noticed over the years is that I am very outspoken about a *possible* negative outcome that people don't see as an unintended consequence of their decision(s). In these, I am all too frequently right, so much so that people started telling me, "We should listen to you. You are always right." But they don't. And yet it is true, I am all too frequently right. Part of this is intuition and part of it is looking at things in a way that no one else is willing to. When they tell me I am right, I just say, "Yes, unfortunately." and leave it at that. I take no pleasure in being right unless the outcome is good and a person has benefitted from listening to me. Then I am always happy for them. I also notice that people sometimes take credit for ideas that were mine. This doesn't really bother me that much. I just maintain a straight face and smile to myself. The point is to get the ideas out there, get people thinking, get a conversation started about possibilities.

[@JH-yj7kk]

I'm a sx 5w4 and I relate to all of these. Not totally sure what my Myers Briggs is. I always test as infp but I don't totally relate to it. There is always a fine margin between the f and t when I test. I don't fully relate to the intp description either. I also understand that it's pretty rare for 5s to be infps. I am the countertype though, so perhaps that's why.

[@HighFiveFriend]

High five 👋! We are somewhat complicated 😂 aren’t we. Super excited you are here!!! Some awesome mbti and enneagram crossover videos coming up. Just curious... any specific questions or topics you would be most interested in?? Thanks for your comment! Sandy

[@JH-yj7kk]

@@HighFiveFriend thanks for the reply. I will watch more of your channel to see what topics you have covered so far. Can't think of anything specific right now. :)

[@heavenlysadist]

Have you found out your mbti already? Mine is INTJ 5w4 and while I was researching about my type, they are closest to INFJ and INFP aura/vibes, which makes sense because of their strong moral character. Despite all of that, INTJ is still considered demon and angel personality. Demon stands for superiority complex (god complex) and an angel one is their inner self. It depends of their zodiac rising sign. I'm actually native Aquarius, it's hard to fit in when my peers go out dating and taking education seriously, it's like I'm an outsider even though I'm a part of it. It's like I'm an ghost, nobody sees me and nobody ever looked at me, it hurts

[@april.m.stevens]

I've recently discovered I'm a 5 after years of believing there was something wrong with me. Especially about invitations. I'm always "flaky" and a "party-pooper" and it's nice to know I'm not alone!

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌 😃 So glad you have found our great community, April! Welcome!!!

[@HighFiveFriend]

High Five! Can you relate? Or is it just me??? Which one resonated with you the most?

[@4Estarolas]

Me being a 5 who is always late: ...

[@HighFiveFriend]

😆 There seems to be 2 very opposite sides to this! I’ve lately been thinking more in motivations of both (late vs early)… any thoughts?!? Thanks for your comment and glad you are here! Sandy

[@4Estarolas]

@@HighFiveFriend I actually don't do it on purpose and I really wish I could be on time but I get inside my head way too much and when I notice I'm already late. I'm also an INTP so the Ti-Ne combo doesn't help. The INxJs I know are all very punctual so I think it's probably something related to the Ni-Se axis and not so much with being a 5

[@HighFiveFriend]

@@4Estarolas Wow! Actually the best answer I have heard on that so far ❤️. Another commenter had said they did it on purpose because they don’t like waiting for others, which I thought was kind of a disrespectful attitude (and was hoping not the theory behind it for most people who have a hard time with this). Your mbti connection makes sense! 🙌 Thanks for your thoughtful reply and I’m so glad you are here! S

[@mackenjoshua]

Good stuff, keep it up!

[@HighFiveFriend]

Thank you soo much Joshua Macken! So appreciate your comment and glad you are here :). Sandy

[@lant_leaf4704]

i found a light, thank you very much !❤

[@HighFiveFriend]

Luna, You are the light to my day!!! 😊 Thank you for your beautiful comment, Sandy

[@thugster420]

this video is mood

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌🏽

[@randomAKboi]

Wow. I'm INTJ⛧5W4. This is the creepiest one I've seen so far. These are the things people understand the least in regard to my social behaviors. Which leads me to ask... For anyone reading this that shares these two types, is anyone else an Occultist? There is little to no discussion of these typology systems in western esoterica (That I've seen in my minor role) and I'd like to "Feel out the theory" so to speak. From my discoveries, Setianism and most other serious LHP initiatory belief systems feel nearly TAYLOR MADE for navigating personal development through the unique challenges inherent in this type. Practices involve assigning behaviors to optimize the expression of and cooperation between each thinking function on the MTBI level, and assessing current behavior against desired behavior, which happens to match up well with the Drive-defining mechanisms that characterize the enneagram. Occultism, and particularly the stereotypical depiction of the Black Magician in LHP currents seem to match a lot of the aesthetic features that are usually associated with the INTJ personality type. And if this theory is correct, would that make us a type-range with a historical culture? Answering questions such as these may have implications for the utility of personality typology applied to anthropological research. Thoughts?

[@HighFiveFriend]

High five, 5! Fascinating!!! That is a lot to unpack! The depth of this conversation has my attention... to be continued ;). To answer your question, Solid Christian here, with multiple life experiences to support this for me. Sandy Ps. I’m taking ‘creepiest’ as a supportive comment... aka alternative way of saying totally relatable ;). (In our own 5w4 way of course lol). Feel free to correct me if I wrong! Thanks for your comment. Following.

[@randomAKboi]

@@HighFiveFriend That was definitely the context of "creepy" for me, lol. Interesting. I hadn't even considered the religious aspect of occultism, and did not intend to imply the moral philosophy or theistic context, more the rational philosophy and methodology of the practice. That being said, perhaps "spiritualism" with its meditative disciplines (prayer, samantha, ritual, what have you) are but an attempt to find different methods of guiding individuation for different subsets of people. But this would be an interesting conversation for a later date. Thank you for this video by the way. And your active engagement with this community 🤘🖤

[@Cymatic-Mage]

Super interesting. I love the occult topics. Not much scares me away from researching into it further or ruminating about it. I'll talk to you about any and all of it.

[@randomAKboi]

@@Cymatic-Mage A good resource to grasp the theory behind western esotericism is AO131's book Scientific illuminism. For a more practical and experiential text you might try Uncle Setnakt's Essential Guide to the Left Hand Path. If you'd like to correspond or access my digital library I'd be willing to shoot you an e-mail.

[@Cymatic-Mage]

@@randomAKboi Thank you for the information. And !You have a digital library?! Awesome 🤝

[@elmehdisaniss2731]

I am an infj enneagram 5w4

[@HighFiveFriend]

Ooo! INFJ *AND* a 5w4 - you are awesome!!! Great to have you here :). Sandy

[@elmehdisaniss2731]

@@HighFiveFriend Thank you soo much for your admiration ^^

[@leighdavison3258]

Intj 5w4. Relatable. Have you looked at the typical ADD symptoms? Definitely some cross overs.

[@HighFiveFriend]

🖐 High five, five! Thanks for your comment! And very interesting you should mention............ this is back on my radar. Willing to elaborate a bit per your research? :). S

[@manuel_winde]

Interesting comment- I watched a bbc documentary on ADD and was convinced I had it (on a relative mild level- I certainly dont physically have it) But I then discovered mbti and later enneagram and it got me thinking how many people are potentially misdiagnosed as add because they’re bored at school or don’t fit in

[@HighFiveFriend]

@@manuel_winde I am now completely fascinated. I teach lol! So many factors to consider, and the 'tik tok' attention span is certainly real... With upticks of suicides bringing attention back to mental health issues, hopefully will also put more attention on other factors such as learning styles, personality differences, ADD, ADHD and the like. Current services for mental health for our students is pathetic. System was completely understaffed prior to 2020 and now from bad to worse. Enneagram and MBTI was also a GAME CHANGER for me, and didn't happen til my 40's.... Thank you for sharing such great insight! Has totally made my day :). Sandy

[@manuel_winde]

@@HighFiveFriend I was 39 myself and currently work in addiction/alcohol (in U.K.) so agree on the poor MH resources too!

[@TrolololYAK]

I'm an INTP 5w4

[@HighFiveFriend]

Hi, Five! Thanks for being awesome ;).

[@1jediwitch]

INTJ-A Female & type 5w4, O-90%, C-69%, E-4%, A-54%, N-37.5%.

[@HighFiveFriend]

Woah - You're awesome😎 !!! That's an impressive "O". Thanks for your comment! :). Sandy

[@1jediwitch]

@@HighFiveFriend As a child, I was always told by most adults that I needed to get my head out of the clouds. 😂👍👍💖🖖

[@RyuMasterEX]

INTP-A Male & type 5w4, O-96%, C-42%, E-37.5%, A-65%, N-12.5%.

[@HighFiveFriend]

@@RyuMasterEX 🙌. You rock!!

[@bett8762]

Doesn't Te of INTJ understand its own thoughts while talking about them? I wonder what you mean when you said you don't talk until you know about any topic.

[@HighFiveFriend]

Great question! It's not that I can't, I just don't. To be blunt (and perhaps a bit pessimistic or one might say realistic), I typically find that a majority of people prefer to have surface level conversations. So... in order to not be a 'fire hose' nor spend unnecessary energy on fluffy conversations I generally keep to myself. I will say I do now appreciate small talk more than I used to and understand its place. (is this wisdom? lol). This is actually the topic of an upcoming video. I love and prefer intellectual and deep conversations - ugg small talk. On a positive note, I find as I search more for people with depth, we are meeting. Very much like your insightful and observant question :). Thank you!!!

[@bett8762]

@@HighFiveFriend Thank you for your honest explanation. Looking forward to your next video!

[@randomAKboi]

For myself this feels more like "Until I'm certain of the accuracy and totality of my conceptual understanding of a topic." Adding arbitrary, inaccurate, irrelevant, or distracting information when exploring a concept is something I supremely dislike, and so I avoid doing so myself. For light hearted conversation, TBH I just don't care a lot of the time. My mind will wander into something more important. If someone is still talking to me and I don't want to cut them off, I just stare at them until they're done. I just don't have anything to say. Sometimes I'll smile or say "Oh wow :) " but its a learned imitation of interest. However if youre asking for advice on a problem or sharing a unique and interesting bit of information, or discussing art, philosophy, technology, ect I'm all in. I really just don't have the mental space to let in a bunch of pointless dribble.

[@mikelastname9444]

Any other 5w4 INTPs here?

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌 Welcome! You have the perfect “5” last name! 😆

[@mikelastname9444]

@@HighFiveFriend Just out of curiosity, I get typed as an INFP a lot. Do you ever get typed as an INFJ?

[@HighFiveFriend]

@@mikelastname9444 interesting! There is a 0% chance of “F” here. Beautiful type, though! Very strong correlation with INTPs and “5”s. “F”s more often 2a 4s or 9s. I did a video about mbti/enneagram a while back that was super fun to research with some great references (of course lol). INTP/5 content in the works - glad you are here!

[@mikelastname9444]

Thanks! The INTP 5w4 getting mistyped as an INFP is apparently a pretty common thing, I was curious if there was a similar connection between INFJs and INTJ 5w4. I'll stick around to see your INTP video though, looking forward to it. :)

[@HighFiveFriend]

@@mikelastname9444 It’s in the works! Glad you are here and took time to comment! 🙌

[@waxhero8878]

Yep, that's me 😄👍🏼

[@HighFiveFriend]

👋 Hi! So glad you have found us!! S

[@LifeMeetLightning]

I feel like I should find out what type I am.. now that I know that’s what we’re talking about. Lol I don’t think I’m a five. :-/

[@HighFiveFriend]

Got ya covered! Coming soon :). The Enneagram is about motivations, not behaviors. 2 people can have the same exterior 'behaviors' but their interior motivations be completely different. It's so interesting!!!! Thanks for your comment! Sandy

[@akshaymohan3943]

If 5w4 is intj and then which enneagram is intp

[@HighFiveFriend]

Hi! INTP's are awesome :) And very high likelyhood of a "5", but not a given. I have an upcoming video on this as well ;) Here is a good start: thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/ Be sure to click through the INTP link. If you haven't checked out my "Start Here" video will be helpful too! kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6aqf42IrKdpfNE Thanks for your comment! If you take the Enneagram test I'm curious what you come up with!!! Sandy

[@RyuMasterEX]

Intps tend to be 5w4 and intjs 5w6

[@t.terrell7037]

Anyone 5w4 sex subtype into females that teach and actually enjoy it? If so, what grade level and subject? I taught for 21 years English 8-12, with 8th grade for 4 years before I threw in the towel. Could never place my finger on all of the different ways I disliked it….and tried soo hard to make it fit. Any thoughts? Thanks!

[@isa-manuelaalbrecht2951]

Are you sure we are 5/4 I thought merely 5/6 while being intj..but remember all introverts do the opposite if their endings..aa mentioned in gifts differings 😚😁

[@HighFiveFriend]

👋. Love hearing your thoughts!!! I’d say Im pretty balanced but have a 4 lean for sure. I did a video on mbti correlations that have some SUPER interesting references in the description to make for a fun 🐇 🕳 if you are interested. I’d love to hear your thoughts!!! Sandy

[@ashleyching7894]

My sp/Sx is pseudo 5

[@HighFiveFriend]

🙌 Hey, I like what you’ve started on your channel! Hope you keep ‘em coming! Sooo what is your E then? :)

[@ashleyching7894]

Ohh, you mean ENFP? 😙

[@Elfen41]

Me to a T

[@HighFiveFriend]

❤️ 🙌. Elfen41, so exited you are here and thank you for your comment!

[@dianatorralbo7690]

What an ashhole, don't you think? Don't ask me that, don't do that... yeah, the rest of the personalities love the bullshit. Not, but we have learnt to be a functional human beings with empathy for the others. If someone gets late well... maybe he has anxiety and he's doing his best to come. "Please do no waste my time" Yeaaah, other personalities LOVE people who waste their time. We feel inclinated to give a death stare and just ignore also, but we have a thing called education. Try it, it's useful. "Keep inviting me parties even thought I won't go, but don't get late or I'll be mad". Seriously? "I don't want to offend you, I just speak clearly" well, that's exactly what an abuser would say. "If I don't like you, I won't be helping you or giving you any advice" Excuse me, WTF. "Don't ask me for my opinion if you are not going to follow it step my step" Well, maybe your opinion sucks.