When the stakes are that high ...checking out the message was the sanest course of action ....
@Romulan24692 жыл бұрын
The captain was too trigger happy if you recall his conversation earlier with Hunter about dropping the atomic bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
@stonem00132 жыл бұрын
but what if a pre emptive strike would neutralise the ultranationalists nuke and prevent an attack on the US??
@peterm22 жыл бұрын
In this fictional world where you can rescind a nuclear launches, sure.
@jaredpaynter41402 жыл бұрын
Easy to say when you know no nuclear weapons have been launched at your country when you spent your entire adult life defending it
@blackhog Жыл бұрын
easier said than done. think having a nuclear launch at your fingertip constitutes to any form of sane situation?
@LebronTraveled242 жыл бұрын
This is definitely a reasonable doubt argument. Their last complete orders were to launch however because the last transmission was fragmented and it pertained to the nuclear missile it planted seeds of doubt on the entire crew enough so to cause a mutiny. With so much at stake the captain should have exercised caution and found a way to confirm that message. Once you send that nuke off there’s no getting it back
@mackdiesel25762 жыл бұрын
I agree but the commanders who sent the previous message authorizing the launch (the orders at hand here) should have taken that into consideration. Once the order is issued, they may very well be crossing a point of no return. Luckily it took time to carry out the first order though obviously
@WeFreestyleForever Жыл бұрын
I completely disagree. Fission occurs when a neutron slams into a larger atom, forcing it to excite and split into two smaller atoms, also known as fission products. Additional neutrons are also released that can initiate a chain reaction. Fallout radiation decays relatively quickly with time. Most areas become fairly safe for travel and decontamination after three to five weeks. We are going to die anyway, so if the last order was to launch. That's the order.
@LebronTraveled24 Жыл бұрын
@@WeFreestyleForever what are you referring to lol. I’m saying once a nuclear warhead is launched you can’t stick it back in its tube
@REB4444 Жыл бұрын
The Captain was in the right and HIS orders were clear.
@LebronTraveled24 Жыл бұрын
@@REB4444 except they were wrong and would’ve started an unnecessary war. I understand in the military it’s understood that you follow the last orders given but sometimes you have to make sure, especially when there’s so much hanging in the balance.
@palmerlp2 жыл бұрын
The first of five classic collaborations between Denzel and Tony Scott.
@toasterpastries58113 жыл бұрын
3:12 *"They contain no ambiguity." literally just received a fragmented order message a minute ago*
@horseradish40462 жыл бұрын
All the fragment means is that there is a *possibility* that the order was cancelled. If that possibility is enough to prevent them from confidently carrying out their last order, then that would also imply that they shouldn't carry out any order in any situation if their communications are down, fragment or not, because there's always some chance of an unreceived order cancellation. Such a policy would effectively neutralize any armed force with any orders by making their communications a target. Then again, when global nuclear war is at stake, that does complicate things.
@Astroman19902 жыл бұрын
An incomplete message is no message at all. If the enemy knew that your military procedure was to pause every time you got an incomplete message then the enemy would try to either jam your communications or instead send fake communiques, thus possibly sowing doubt and hesitation in the minds of the military commander. This scene is not as black and white as I thought as a kid watching this movie. I can see both the Captain’s and the XO’s argument clearly
@SantomPh2 жыл бұрын
@@Astroman1990 the transmission is not a wide broadcast Now Hear This type. It is a direct order from the White House to the Alabama to either launch or abort. The first orders were clearly to launch but the second orders were unclear. The Captain must wait for another order to come through cleanly. This is a nuke order and should be confirmed over and over before activated.
@BungieStudios2 жыл бұрын
The fragmented order is no order at all. The confirmed and authenticated order to launch the nukes should be carried out. The Captain is 100% correct. The XO is also 100% within his right to halt the launch since the fragment creates doubt.
@youseff500 Жыл бұрын
@@BungieStudios how tf does someone contradict themselves as much as you did? Even if "the fragmented order is no order at all," the XO has the final say. They cannot launch until both officers agree. If the XO doesn't agree, then they don't launch, and that's no problem. There's a reason a two-officer, and even Russia's 3-officer system, exists. Hell, even the weapons officer can seal off the room if they believe there's a breach in Nuclear Weapons Procedure. Nukes aren't a joke. There are fail-safes for a reason. In reality, Hunter is 100% in the right.
@buckfiden25942 жыл бұрын
Somebody saying Hackman was over the top at the end there and that his character would risk losing support from the crew by appearing unhinged. However I think it's Hackman showing that his character is morally conflicted as much as the XO is but he's going to live with his "old school" mindset of following orders and not questioning "why", even though he's certainly feeling the stress and the magnitude of the situation. This entire exchanged was foreshadowed earlier in the movie when the men dined together at the officers' table. Anyway I think Hackman was brilliant as usual. He was always good at acting pissed off come to think of it. No Way Out, Unforgiven, The Quick & The Dead, probably a bunch more.
@jb343042 жыл бұрын
>He was always good at acting pissed off come to think of it. Yeah, it seems like he was kind of pigeonholed into those roles. :/ Regardless, he still performed the roles excellently. He's retired at this point. Gene's more dramatic acting reminded me a lot of my Grandfather. He was always ready to fly-off the handle when I was a kid, but it was because he was attempting to guide us in the right direction. When I became an adult, he would start tearing up every time I would give him a hug before leaving his house.
@josephmarkey90962 жыл бұрын
He also did friendly but threatening like nobody else
@scoogsy Жыл бұрын
Hackman was brilliant. Excellent scene.
@ppvk2610 Жыл бұрын
Yeah .. No Way Out.. what a great movie, what a great plot. Come to think of it His rol in Absolute Power seems quite similar to No Way Out. If memory serves, it's been quite a while since I've seen those movies
@EfieldHfield_377 Жыл бұрын
Awesome movie. Must watch again - an absolute classic
@diabolic10310 ай бұрын
One of his many intense hard nosed performances, Mr Hackman brings his A Game every single time 🔥💥💯
@ColonelFrontline11523 жыл бұрын
3:15/3:17 *"Mr. Hunter, I've made the decision. I'm captain of this boat. NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP!"*
@eliashernandez9879 Жыл бұрын
Lol😂
@billyelliot782 жыл бұрын
Is it even possible to determine who the better actor is? Hackman and Washington go head to head in this movie is hard beat.
@AKAFT2 жыл бұрын
All the enlisted are listening to this discussion very carefully, from the beginning.
@VB-32 жыл бұрын
Damn right they are.
@captaincoyote17922 жыл бұрын
While it wasn’t an issue of launching a strategic asset, I’ve witnessed a CO - more than once - in stressful situations, loose patience and “go off” like Hackman did in this scene. When a CO goes off, it most certainly gets the crew’s attention--quickly!
@macallanvintage Жыл бұрын
Thats because there can strictly only be ONE smartass on board a boat….and not 2 verbally fighting each other.
@captaincoyote1792 Жыл бұрын
@@macallanvintage well said….and so damned true. I wonder why I can’t make my wife see that?
@macallanvintage Жыл бұрын
@@captaincoyote1792 Every courtship starts with 2 imbeciles busy acting and pretending, trying to impress each other. Both are quietly cunning and selfish. Every interview is also fake, involving lots of preparation and trying to impress the other party.
@captaincoyote1792 Жыл бұрын
@@macallanvintage Damn, dude. You made me LOL. So true….and so damned funny! I’m still chuckling. Take care!
@macallanvintage Жыл бұрын
@@captaincoyote1792 Your wife cant see that because most females in the Western world are actually MALES..with female genitalia. Didnt you realise that very few women in the Western world behave in a genuinely feminine manner?😂 You actually married a man…who could be impregnated
@johnspence81413 жыл бұрын
I wish they added one line at the end: "Try to remain calm, Captain."
@RConnickJr Жыл бұрын
Denzel's character never would have said that at that moment, in that situation.
@BungieStudios2 жыл бұрын
Most accurate bubblehead movie ever made. Pride and joy of John Paul Jones and the US Navy. A DVD copy hangs framed in the entrance of ONI HQ, Maryland. Semper Fortis. Anchors away!
@ariplatt8192 Жыл бұрын
Two awesome actors. So good
@generalrendar72903 жыл бұрын
Any captain that has to yell out "I'm the captain!" Is no true captain.
@peterkovacs8343 жыл бұрын
He was a good captain actually. He did everything by the book until he wanted to replace the XO.
@generalrendar72903 жыл бұрын
@@peterkovacs834 I do agree but the quote set up was too good.
@lasvegassnowman55053 жыл бұрын
You know this situation is so difficult to comprehend
@Sakhmeov2 жыл бұрын
@@lasvegassnowman5505 He is getting pissed AF that his own damn XO is contravening his directives right there, in front of other officers and sailors. The job of the XO is to carry out the Captain's commands, not with interpretation or criticism but only with added detail or specific attention where required. If he wants to act as some kind of counsellor, then that's also his role and duty - but certainly not right in the middle of the bridge during high-alert operations and while under potential engagement.
@robertfolkes3892 жыл бұрын
🔥😅 🧢
@Grande792 жыл бұрын
The great thing about this movie is that both men have a good logical argument. In fact I tend to think I would have launched.
@martinmanifold22412 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt , not when the stakes were so high ...
@sushilsingh20992 жыл бұрын
@@martinmanifold2241 stakes are equally high in both the cases.
@martinmanifold22412 жыл бұрын
@@sushilsingh2099 no one gets a second chance after armageddon ....
@sushilsingh20992 жыл бұрын
@@martinmanifold2241 that's why SSBNs are made to have 2nd strike capabilities & multiple of those are in Seas. Even if he would have fired those 10 missiles it wouldn't have eliminate all of Russia's nuclear arsenal & they would have launched in response. That's why stakes were equally high even if you nuke first or in retaliation.
@j.j.42282 жыл бұрын
@@sushilsingh2099 They did the right thing. If the last message says that the launch is still on...they had time to still launch. The whole point of Hackman saying " you have 3 minutes".
@ivarstrom15092 жыл бұрын
A beautiful film to watch, especially against the background of the current situation with regard to Ukraine. We can be sure that boats like this, with crews like this, are currently in a waiting position in northern waters. As sad as that is.
@Antonio186772 жыл бұрын
yes 100%
@Suckmykiss247 Жыл бұрын
Fuck Ukraine
@Satai80 Жыл бұрын
When I saw this movie first time I thought that Captain ignored X.O.:s suggestions to confirm EAM only because he really wanted to launch the missiles. He had been captain so many years and been in combat situations but never ever have gotten the chance to fire most powerful weapons in his arsenal. So basically I thought that he was just nuts. :D
@AC-iz7eh Жыл бұрын
Hahaha that could be it. But fortunately the movie wasn't going that direction 😂
@socksincrocks44212 жыл бұрын
Such a good movie...
@nhtp3425013 жыл бұрын
2021. Here. Seen it. Loved it
@noellecox3952 Жыл бұрын
I remember Tony Scott was making this movie I glad he got Denzel Washington playing hunter I heard he was going to get al Pacino for playing captain Ramsey I glad he didn't get al Pacino for this role he got the best actor for this role his name was gene Hackman he was fantastic and brilliant in this movie from start to finish
@bens8013 Жыл бұрын
Do you like "a few good men" also, with hackman. ? - It's a good one if you haven't seen it. I like the lunch scene at quantico....flight data records.
@oaw972 Жыл бұрын
@@bens8013ummm.... Gene Hackman was not in A few good men
@maxbowie60745 ай бұрын
God I'd take Hackman over Pacino any day.
@tr98092 жыл бұрын
This was just after the cold war, the Captain had an old school mentality based on MAD. In a more complex geopolitical landscape, Naval captains need to be more critical and evaluative like Hunter. Also, in this situation a nuclear strike was unnecessary, the same prevention could have occurred using cruise missiles and an air strike from a carrier using smart bunker busters to take out the naval base.
@paulhoffman778 Жыл бұрын
MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION , YES I ALSO SUFFER FROM A COLD WAR MENTALITY, OLD NAVY.
@abehambino Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if they mention it, but I don’t think there were cruisers. They were there to be silent unless it became necessary and wouldn’t want to escalate the situation by having an armada present. If there were only subs in range, than what else could they do other than wait for the other side’s missiles to launch?
@koc98811 ай бұрын
@@abehambino Converted boomers can carry conventional and nuclear land attack missiles.
@josephpowelliii91692 жыл бұрын
Gene Hackman...very underated as an actor....
@scottwright3882 жыл бұрын
Really??..I'm pretty sure he won a couple academy awards and likely other awards and nominations.
@lonergr3107 Жыл бұрын
No he isnt, even Washington said he took that roll to spar with a master. Hackman is an all time great
@howdydo5760 Жыл бұрын
Who else do you think is underrated? Michael jordan? Messi? Tom Brady? Daniel Day-Lewis? Everyone knows Hackman is great lol
@maxbowie60745 ай бұрын
Hackman was an absolutely masterful actor. A unique talent
@notta3d3 жыл бұрын
Think about it though. He did make a great point when he said all the other subs could have been destroyed. I'm curious how that would actually be handled today. Do they act on their last complete order or try to get the last message? What a great movie.
@AbdEl-RahmanAAzab3 жыл бұрын
This actually can be solved by a very simple rule.. No nuclear launch order must be carried out in the case of an offline communication system.. so from the moment they receive an EAM to the actual launch moment.. the communication system musy be online every and each second and verified by pulses or (whatever means) in the case of a last minute abort message.. Also I think today's nukes have an abort system even after they have been launched..
@nohbody853 жыл бұрын
At the time this movie was made, this situation could have happened (well, not entirely. in reality all subs have multiple back-up radios that could be installed in case of damage or failure). But, the process to launch nuclear missiles from a US Ballistic Missile Sub, at the time this movie was taking place, was accurate. Now, a US Ballistic Missile Submarine cannot launch it's missiles until it receives the message to do so from the President.
@notta3d3 жыл бұрын
@@nohbody85 Good info. The one line that really makes you wonder though is what if everything was taken out like the captain said? In that case the order from the president will never come and missiles are just sitting there idle.
@nohbody853 жыл бұрын
@@notta3d That would truly be both right and both wrong.
@notta3d2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrivera2080 Not me. That's why I asked the question.
@ottomatix339711 ай бұрын
An amazing scene only a vet could pull off, my man was good too.
@dragorn32122 жыл бұрын
Jeez they make hackman's character so dense in this movie
@judah5478 Жыл бұрын
The best scene in cinema history! 👍🏾 Hackman's character was a lunatic! 🙏🏾
@connerbrandl5103 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t call him a lunatic
@LordTalax Жыл бұрын
That's an oversimplification.
@Camcolito Жыл бұрын
You obviously haven't seen much cinema.
@NovHak Жыл бұрын
Real life has proved the captain wrong : there have been cases on both sides, where people’s doubts averted a catastrophe.
@blackfalkon41893 жыл бұрын
> "captain there's an incoming message that's potentially a cancel order which would avoid a nuclear holocaust should we check it out?" > "yeah whatever"
@blackeychan19702 жыл бұрын
As a former cryptologic technician who served for five years in the Navy, the procedure is clear: in absence of a contravening order in a situation like that, we follow the orders IN HAND.
@blackfalkon41892 жыл бұрын
@@blackeychan1970 and if the incoming message could be such a contravening order?
@blackeychan19702 жыл бұрын
@@blackfalkon4189 - Without authentication, it's no order at all. We go through multiple checks in order to make sure that a launch order is authentic. In a situation like this, with communications down, bouyey cable severed and enemy missiles having launch capability in less than 60 minutes, you go with the orders you have in the absence of an authenticated, contravening order.
@blackfalkon41892 жыл бұрын
@@blackeychan1970 and if the XO comes up with a way to authenticate the potential contravening order?
@blackeychan19702 жыл бұрын
@@blackfalkon4189 - Remember that this is a rather time-sensitive situation.
@Lovely-Fishes9 ай бұрын
The Captain of the Sub got it all wrong because he was blinded by the powers bestowed upon him, that made him arrogant & ultimately ignorant...Crimson Tide 🔥❤️
@garyjones99102 жыл бұрын
Christ Gene Hackman was good
@starkdilemma49162 жыл бұрын
Mom... Dad... Stop fighting..
@thewilliammao Жыл бұрын
Calm down, Captain...you don't appear to be calm.
@ItsMotoMatt2 жыл бұрын
Let's just be clear... the XO was correct. Every effort should be made to complete that EAM. In war, nothing can be left to chance.
@ttrestle6 ай бұрын
Favorite part of the film
@johnkeros91092 жыл бұрын
"I'm Capt of this boat. NOW STFU!!" "Ever watch Star Trek, sir? I'm Capt Kirk and you're Scotty..."
@rc591913 жыл бұрын
It still baffles me how someone could be so eager to launch nuclear weapons and cause a nuclear holocaust. Even during the Cuban Missile Crisis a Soviet Sailor went against orders and prevented nukes launching from his submarine.
@pavarottiaardvark34313 жыл бұрын
From the dinner conversation it becomes clearer: Ramsey *needs* it to be straightforward, because that's the only way it can work. If you give people agency in that situation, you'd always be second guessing yourself. Any launch order would spawn a long philosophical conversation. But as a submarine crew, you aren't privy to all the details. For Ramsey, the only way it can work is "follow the instructions". He has a clear instruction. He wants to launch. Put it another way: You give a commander launch keys and a set of rules to follow. Do you want him following those rules, or making his own choices?
@SphincterOfDoom2 жыл бұрын
Because they had a time window before the others missiles could be fueled and launched, and there was an akula sub hunting them so they didn't have the luxury of going shallow to try to get the message.
@Grande792 жыл бұрын
He was facing his own country being attacked, eager is not the correct word.
@treasurethetime24632 жыл бұрын
Stop arguing. They were both right. Unlike in mathematics or in school, there is not always a clear cut "right" answer. The world is more, ahem, complicated than that.
@youseff5002 жыл бұрын
how do you know they're both right
@chumline577 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to Balistic Missles it's a different argument. Because once one is launched there isn't no coming back and you got 10 minutes or so to think about it.
@babybearljuju7444 Жыл бұрын
It's one of my best movies 🎬
@wongtong7542 жыл бұрын
The captain is right.
@youseff5002 жыл бұрын
Wong
@lonemaus562 Жыл бұрын
If he was right then everyone would have been dead the second the lunched those nukes. It’s better he was not right
@lonemaus562 Жыл бұрын
If he was right then everyone would have been dead the second the lunched those nukes. It’s better he was not right
@rhino2960 Жыл бұрын
when the lives of billions weigh on your actions, you confirm the order to fire, even if it kills you
@aeroAdvocate Жыл бұрын
That’s not the SOP.
@rhino2960 Жыл бұрын
@@aeroAdvocate there is nothing standard about an action that potentially ends billions of lives. If you are charged with the responsibility for ending the human race, you confirm the order, even if it kills you.
@MichaelScherer7711 ай бұрын
The captain was right, a message received that cannot be authenticated is not a message.
@robertrafford60682 ай бұрын
I don't think, from what I've seen, the Captain dismisses views from his XO. The movie sets it up...nicely.
@vinsanity9829 ай бұрын
I think the XO’s point earlier the movie stands anyways. If they rebels had actually launched already, the world is fcked either way. Better wait to confirm the message
@jameswilliams358110 ай бұрын
It would have been an interesting alternate ending if they filmed something that showed their delay to launch allowing the Russian missiles to destroy a few US cities. Remember, they said they needed to launch to PREVENT the Russians from launching on the USA. I wonder what that court martial would be like? It reminds of scenarios where if you go against orders you better be right. In this case the XO guessed right, but if he had been wrong. Ouch.
@iainstevenson66587 ай бұрын
What would von Clausewitz have done?
@JasonBritt-ty6ti Жыл бұрын
Every time when you’re people hear this argument it effects the hol ship but there is no easy way to answer this question because it’s no good two answers and arguments on the ship
@stereotypespecialist Жыл бұрын
Float the buoy.
@tomp8094 Жыл бұрын
As a former Minuteman II ICBM Crew Member, if you have a valid authenticated Execution Order then you launch your missiles. You don't wait around thinking the National Command Authority might transmit a Termination Message.
@lampham55254 ай бұрын
When Gene Hackman told you to 'shut the f* up" you better shut up even if you were Denzel Washington
@pasques Жыл бұрын
Spoiler: Its interesting that at the end of the movie, they pointed out that BOTH men failed their jobs. Not the just the captain.
@thesqueak54742 жыл бұрын
what movie is this from?
@TheNeanderthal0512 жыл бұрын
Crimson Tide
@shantoreywilkins6512 жыл бұрын
#loveit
@williamfernandini967 Жыл бұрын
I was a kid watching this and now I'm 40 and at the time I thought captain was right bc he had orders but now as a grown man of experience I say the xo was correct. With something that important u need verification and also the rules are nothing is done unilaterally. They need to be in agreement both of them
@Moution232 жыл бұрын
I heard that a similar event did happen in real life but in a soviet sub.🤷🏾♂️
@SM_198902 жыл бұрын
Lmao why the hell didn't you include the speeches that followed!
@SM_198903 жыл бұрын
Lol you cut off the best bit
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@marluma Жыл бұрын
Any prior, Navy guys care to confirm how often this happens inside of a Naval Carrier?
@DirtyStinky Жыл бұрын
Depends on the relationship between the chain of command. Not everyone likes each other. Typically this kind of childish shit is reserved for E7-E9s, senior enlisted and new officers, but most cases ive seen the CO and XO are usually good friends.
@theStacyJames9 ай бұрын
Name that film 😂
@oaw972 Жыл бұрын
I cannot stand people who are just a holes, I'm right and you're wrong, you don't know anything... far too many of these people get put in positions of power. Managers, CEO's etc... Even if you beat the hell out of them they'd never change!
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@davidrendall7195 Жыл бұрын
Captain's intention is to rise to launch depth and fire the missiles. If he rises to launch depth, he will also rise to a depth where one of his many radios will pick up whatever EAM is being sent. Problem solved. Only if he rises to launch depth and starts preparations to hover and launch, and listen out for the radio, that Russian sub is going to kill him quick. Silly plot line.
@kubectlgetpo Жыл бұрын
I think you missed all the nuances of human character, tough decision making, and not taking into account counter intelligence and counter response from the threat. Also, you might have ignored the protocols that they are under and why and how those have been designed keeping layers of contingency. You should re-watch this movie after reading about game theory, psychology, war protocols and such. I think you will appreciate why that isn't an option.
@davidrendall7195 Жыл бұрын
What? @@kubectlgetpo
@destroyerarmor2846 Жыл бұрын
Hackman's character was a jerk who wanted to nuke
@briansheridan52085 ай бұрын
We have here is simply an experience old sub capt and a fancy college grad XO thinking they are both right. Maybe race might be an issue but it is on the capt not the XO. In my POV and my opinion who was right in this situation?......The Xo, He acted right and prevented WW3.
@shipmate35772 жыл бұрын
Gene Hackman did a better job than Al Pacino or Warren Beatty could have... glad they turned down the role.
@communitydevelopment67393 жыл бұрын
A weak-minded captain losing control of his mental faculties. Trying to project his fears on his second-in-command. Thank God for the critical thinker!!! SHALOM I'm Yahudah🕎
@Ahmed-dj1tq7 ай бұрын
Flombo men
@LTDANMAN442 жыл бұрын
i'm not sure a sub captain would follow this course of action.
@AC-iz7eh Жыл бұрын
This situation has been rectified now. Any nuclear launch requires the President's approval and no one else
@oaw972 Жыл бұрын
Good thing we don't have a corrupt government with corrupt people getting elected and playing president!
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@robynharris71792 жыл бұрын
The few instances of Gene Hackman losing his cool is what made this not quite as good a movie as “The Hunt for Red October”. Scott Glenn’s Bart Mancuso was all about implied threat. He knew that he was in command, so there was no need for him to ever speak loudly or be demonstrative. He had the power of life and death over Jack Ryan every instant he was onboard Dallas.
@nathanieldrake66582 жыл бұрын
Bart Mancuso did keep his cool but on the other hand he hadn’t been handed a launch order and subsequently been confronted by an executive officer refusing to verify that order -the fact that Hackman’s captain is on the verge of cracking up in face of having to carry out what might very well be contributing to the end of the world is a subtle aspect to what at first appears to be an over the top performance ..Hackman is so good at portraying well-intentioned men doing wrong while convinced they’re doing right..compared with Scott Glenn’s one note characters who -though apparently level-headed -turn out to be only part of the chain of command, I’ll take the flawed Hackman characters any day.
@dekonfrost72 жыл бұрын
The fact is that a missile boat captain is chosen from a pool of super calm efficient and effective sailors. From the submerged navy which has extremely well documented mental evaluations of every submariner. Thats what adds to the drama. Its letting you know he fucking hates the EXO. You can tell when he says Harvard.
@tumadoireacht2 жыл бұрын
gene Hackman is always brilliant. Like Nicholson he sparkles in any and all his films.
@willg-r32692 жыл бұрын
The worst thing about Hackman losing his cool isn't that it makes him a less compelling character, it's that it makes the situation itself less compelling; what might otherwise be a sober disagreement between two level-headed officers over whether to follow protocol to the letter or bend protocol by using your head is instead reduced to “wow, the captain just randomly started screaming obscenities at his XO in front of the entire bridge crew, he's obviously lost his marbles.” Someone once pointed out about “The West Wing” that Aaron Sorkin's dilemma is that he seems to want his core characters to all be the most perfect specimens of intelligence and virtue ever to walk the Earth, but his writing style also depends on constantly depicting arguments where one of them clearly wins and the other clearly loses, so he always ends up having to nerf one of his otherwise brilliant Mary/Marty Sues by having them inexplicably screw up on some minor point so the other character can call them out on it, mic drop, and end scene. This scene feels a bit like that, where the screenwriters have no idea how to bring the argument between Hackman and Denzel to the place they need it to get to unless Hackman goes out of his way to pick up a massive sign that says “look at me, I'm wrong” and wave it right in the audience's faces.
@willg-r32692 жыл бұрын
If anything, the situation would be way more compelling if Denzel was the one who gratuitously lost his cool, so the dilemma would be that the calm and level-headed captain is the one advocating for the totally unnecessary nuclear annihilation of humanity, while his clearly unhinged and insubordinate XO is the one trying to save it.
@iyerzzzzz Жыл бұрын
Hackman won the duel for sure
@kerrijohnstone75882 жыл бұрын
such BS you would NOT launch with a fragmented messaged DIRECTLY after an EAM
@lonemaus562 Жыл бұрын
Well the message was clear to launch missiles , in real life if something like that happens you are supposed to follow your last order if u lose communication .. which would have meant to launch the nukes