Negotiating values (War)

[@tyslims2805]

At least one the officers at that table was so impressed with the XO’s stance that he renounced his commission and went back to his hometown in New Jersey to start a waste management company.

[@nelsonzambrano5788]

Good one~!

[@shawnmilstead4917]

Barone Sanitation

[@amado4249]

Small hands, that was his problem.

[@mrpentium]

whateva happened there......

[@MrRayVictory]

I see what you did there.

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

If you wanna know why a great many actors have said that Gene Hackman is the best actor they've ever worked with, it's the way he looks Denzel up and down after he says "The true enemy is war itself." You can read whatever you want into that look, but the fact that he does it gives his character an extra MILE of depth. Absolute god of acting.

[@Th0ughtf0rce]

I read it as equal parts admiration, wariness, and envy.

[@romancandle416]

The whole movie is just Hackman and Denzel facing off. And it was hard for the audience to pick a side, because they both had good points. A truly great film.

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

@@romancandle416 Denzel only agreed to do the movie because Hackman was in it.

[@roychui6694]

This is so deep in so many levels. Scriptwriter needs to get an award too.

[@furrybogard9724]

Not only the way he looks him over, but the smoke coming from his nose added so much more imo. Subtle, but powerful

[@pimpinkin87]

Man, the shit you pick up on as an adult then you when you watched this stuff as a kid is crazy. The subtleties, the underlying messages, the little naunces etc. You back to some of these movies 20 plus years later after you've gotten a taste of the real world and you then start to appreciate these scenes and the commentary going on.

[@FourthExile]

I agree. My dad showed me this when I was 11 or 12 and it was a fun romp. Rewatching at 30 it's a study on a clash of leadership styles/philosophy among many other things. The back and forth power-play between these two, particularly in this scene is superlative. I love the smoke plumes from the nose of Hackman like he's a restful dragon sizing up the new guy.

[@neowuwei7851]

I love this film. Both Hackman and Washington did great jobs. The sarcasm of the Capt in this scene just shows how much he believes he is right in every situation. XO handled the passive aggressive criticism well. The Capt got an 'aha' when XO told him the real enemy was war itself and he was dead set on his belief that war was the best solution to gain one's ends. Shows the XO was not 'complicated' as the Capt called him, but a nuanced thinker. He admitted he was made capt in an era when the Navy wanted a button pusher who would follow orders and not ask why. The US Air Force did a simulated war game with it's officers who were in the missile silos that would push the button to launch all their ICBMs in a nuclear war. A high number of those officers did not agree to fire the missiles without question. That meant many of them knew that launching those ICBMs would probably end life as we know it on the surface of our planet. Does anyone have the right to make that decision for 7.8B people and all wildlife on this planet?

[@queterian1526]

Of course politicians never want for all life to end, ICBMs are the problem. Should get rid of 'em all so we can wage our old fashioned wars endlessly

[@growinsane9123]

What if the question was 'Are we under nuclear attack?' and the answer 'Yes'? And then let's say you believe that in such a circumstance it is already pointless to fire, well that might lead you back to the question of why did the enemy fire? Perhaps they thought you wouldn't press the button to return fire or perhaps they knew they could counter your response? Whatever the mind games that go on, it also seems risky to lead your enemies into thinking that using nuclear weapons is not something you would ever have the stomach for in any circumstance. We can only wonder what subtle effects might have changed the cold war, negatively or positively if the second world war ended without nuclear weapons playing a role.

[@ryans756]

Not just Hackman and Washington either. The entire cast below them did a great job.

[@alexG106]

Considering that them being insubordinate would have actually resulted in a first strike against their country because of their lack of guts, tells me the answer.

[@marktwain5722]

He’s far from simple minded. He may pretend but he’s a sharp thinker.

[@haroldgeorge892]

“War doesn’t determine who’s right, it determines who’s left.” - Von Clausewitz

[@Los150]

Great quote, but I believe that was Bertrand Russell

[@Richard-mj5dp]

Who in their right mind thought that war determined who was right?

[@Mathias-kz5dr]

@@Los150Since the quote doesn’t work in German, it must come from an English guy

[@mikebikekite1]

For anyone else wondering what the film is called, it's Crimson Tide produced in 1995.

[@HowardKlein1958]

Thank you 👍I scrolled through a hundred comments trying to find it

[@josephabraham4058]

I think the scene captures two facets, of a multi-faceted attitude, that Americans take to war. Our culture of war is cultivated early. It spans the spectrum of Hackman, “I don’t care who the enemy is - kill it.” That visceral amygdala hijack, like when someone sees a cockroach or a rat. To Washington’s “infinite game” explanation of war. The enemy is war itself. The players come and go, but war’s goal is to keep going. It’s a great film, a great scene, and two great actors.

[@JodyOwen-we6oo]

I respectfully think you oversimplify the first and miss the point Washington’s character makes. We have elected representatives to determine where and for what reason we use our military, so we can hold them accountable. Soldiers of whatever rank neither can nor should make those decisions, only act on them. Hunter wasn’t saying war is innately the enemy. He was saying that when full scale war is likely to end human life no possible political or other goal could make it justified. A real general wrote a brilliant commentary on ‘compassionate’ war. Basically in his view it only extended the misery, death and destruction of war by enabling a longer fight instead of (as Machiavelli wrote) crushing your enemy as quickly as possible to compress the negatives into as short a time as possible. Just my opinion though.

[@josephabraham4058]

@@JodyOwen-we6oo would you speculate on the General’s thoughts and tell me if you think that he would consider the Global War on Terror a compassionate war? Then, in a separate cogitation try to discern if the Ukrainian war is a executed in a compassionate way? I have fought on two continents myself, and while I have an opinion, it isn’t decisive.

[@charlesray4084]

We dead right or gave up buds and Russia and China don,f the who think Europe’s listen the pacifists or the nation with nukes !

[@DrCrabfingers]

Two of my favourite actors. Denzil is always watchable and simply refuses to make a bad film or to be cowed away from the resoluteness of his values....not many actors, in fact I can't think of another, can weld their values into their acting roles and career so completely. Gene Hackman is just scary...when he retired cinema lost a master. He inhabited his roles with 100% conviction....this is a great film....

[@seekeroftruth101]

What a terrific film. It has it all: suspense, action, great dialogue, music, the whole nine. A must-watch.

[@geofredotappan9777]

Don't forget humor at the right time.

[@liamkiney4124]

@@geofredotappan9777 "Von?"

[@stereotypespecialist]

I can watch this film over and over again. It's one of those films that captivates you no matter how many times you've seen it.

[@rentonis]

what is the name of this movie?

[@stereotypespecialist]

@@rentonis Crimson Tide

[@Warmaker01]

When this movie was released in 1995, Gene Hackman and Denzel Washington were the headline actors. Washington shot into recognition with 1989's Glory. Hackman had a long resume of roles in big movies. Prolific, well established. But looking back on these movies it's always interesting to see actors in them before they hit it big. Here we see James Gandolfini before the smash series The Sopranos began in 1999. Viggo Mortensen before being recognized in 2001's The Lord of the Rings. Lots of actors out there grinding it out trying to get the big break.

[@HarrDarr]

I think I recognized almost every face around that table, while not every single one is/been a headline actor, a lot of them had very succesful careers in tv roles or smaller movie parts.

[@kikiandjasmine]

Amazing dialogue 👏 Gandolfini was such an incredible nonverbal actor, his body language was incredible in this scene. Denzel and Gene knocked this one out of the park 👏

[@StimParavane]

I agree. Gandolfini conveys the underlying menace of the conversation with just a couple of calculated looks.

[@the_real_ch3]

Pre-sopranos Gandolfini and pre-LOTR Viggo Mortensen. Just an insane cast

[@Stuart267]

I know shame Gandolfini went so soon & Gene's retired & now Denzel has said he's contemplating retiring in a few interviews

[@fabjtown1]

What’s crazy is all the stories of how much of a sweetheart guy he was. Yet he can scare the sh** out of you with a look.

[@kikiandjasmine]

@@fabjtown1 Absolutely 👍 Loved him in True Romance

[@YuroLopez]

Gene Hackman is an absolute Legend.

[@erichall3090]

Hackman and Denzel crushed it!!!!!!

[@ryans756]

"I don't mean to suggest you're indecisive, Mr Hunter... Not at all." Indeed not :)

[@MrDancyPantsTV]

One of my favorite moments of attention to detail as that you have the two most senior officers on the boat, the Captain and the XO, verbally and philosophically jousting, and not one single junior officer is uttering a word. They laugh and acknowledge the points being made by their superiors, and you can kinda tell whose side each is on, but they're listening and learning. This is one of my favorite submarine movies, in part because it shows how command should work, and what happens when it doesn't. The captain makes a few very bad mistakes, but is otherwise a good captain. The XO makes a few very bad mistakes, but is otherwise a good XO. I think the biggest mistake started when the Captain assumed that his rank meant he had the XO's trust, and when the XO simultaneously felt he knew better than the Captain and showed that feeling to the officers and crew.

[@Gk2003m]

In my company, one of the maxims is deference not to title but to expertise. The truly great commander is the one who is not so amazed at his own position in the pecking order that he fails to make way for the greater knowledge available to him in those who might not be as high in that pecking order.

[@HopeisAnger]

​@@Gk2003mI heard many such maxims in the service. I think they were all true, but few survived long. The only maximum that stayed true was, "The wise do not stay long in the service of politicians".

[@xman9190]

I think the captain believed the XO's duty was to do as told and to support the captain unconditionally. The XO saw himself as more of a check and balance instead of a rubber stamp.

[@ZakEmber]

I love scenes like this. The dialogue is pretty good... but what brings it to life is fine acting and reacting. Hackman and Washington are fully engaged in their characters and it's the way they react to each other's lines that really slams the scene home. And props to writing too; Ramsey is written to basically spell out the conflict between the two characters in a nutshell here: Ramsey is the man who executes orders faithfully and Hunter is the man who wants to know why. It's simple, but it's this difference being exposed here that sets up the conflict for the rest of the film. Both men are intelligent, well-spoken, well-read and well-liked. They're both good soldiers. But the key difference is how they think about a problem and its solution, and you can see in this scene that both men are trying to figure the other out and how to deal with the way the other man thinks.

[@Calosis]

Great comment! Excellent job of breaking this down to it's most simple and delicate truth.

[@snail415]

I like ham

[@underwaterlevelz1947]

This scene would be perfect if they took out Hackman clinking the glass. That's a major no-no on a sub, makes a transient that is easily picked up.

[@Archway_Archie]

I was a teenager when I first saw this movie. That statement about war being the true enemy when it comes to nuclear weapons really struck home with me. I think about it every time I hear a debate about nuclear disarmament.

[@charlesray4084]

Why did we not Millikan people fighting in we3 if we had no nukes and Russia who would control the world the power always fear the one with nukes !

[@ashwinoashwin]

I can’t believe this film didn’t win any oscar :( what a masterpiece

[@chaoticiannunez2419]

Awards mean jack. You don't need an Oscar or a Razzie to tell you a movie is good or bad, as long as it resonates with you, that's all that matters.

[@abehambino]

@@chaoticiannunez2419o agree. And I doubt the OP would disagree with you. But the purpose of comments such as his are that it is remarkable that a movie such as this FAULS to resonate with certain people to the extent that it is overlooked.

[@shipmate3577]

Gene Hackman did a better job than Al Pacino or Warren Beatty could have... glad they turned down the role.

[@shep9231]

Indeed sir. I, too, am glad they didn't go for it.

[@josephpowelliii9169]

Gene is superb!

[@catholicdad]

I agree. I think, in no small part, because of his experiences in the Marine Corps.

[@maxbowie6074]

Me too. He's a better actor than either of them

[@mkruger3852]

Hackman was perfect but I am sure we would have been happy with the others as well.

[@julianvirgil964]

This scene is like a metaphor of the conflict that boils over later in the movie.

[@akorarichard4395]

It was well built

[@catholicdad]

So . . . foreshadowing.

[@julianvirgil964]

@catholicdad not just foreshadowing. The conversation itself describes the ideological disagreement between the captain and XO about nuclear weapons in general. Later in the film you see it play out but the conversation is symbolic of the tension throughout the movie.

[@catholicdad]

@@Agelmar101 re: apology--that's one of the major points of the movie.

[@abehambino]

This movie is amazing! We do t get much like these today, when they take the time to build up things.

[@dilnaylomogorhaiyee1450]

The actors in this scene.. Hackman and Denzels dialogue and exchange.. so masterfully performed.❤️

[@sasmac1829]

The script writer has my salute

[@derricklafrance9440]

I like how Viggo nods his head while Hunter is making a point then smiles knowingly when Capt. says "Im very impressed.". He knows how sharp he is.

[@rudra_khodei]

Name of the movie please..

[@dcardenas1661]

@@rudra_khodei crimson tide

[@ahsenkhan5386]

you are telling thats Aragorn?

[@model84]

@@ahsenkhan5386 Aragorn, Soprano, Malcolm X

[@oeckstei]

Searching info about Oppenheimer before watching the new film and I stumbled upon this gem. Thank you KZbin algorithm, lol

[@Joseph1NJ]

That's it, I'm watching this again tonight. Gene Hackman and Denzel Washington, two legends on scene together. Although a great story, these two are so good, it almost doesn't matter.

[@LordTalax]

This was a great movie, very layered. Quite a show to see in the theater too. Exciting events internal and external to the sub.

[@halbos7637]

This scene is so frigging important. We, in the audience should contemplate the conversation that takes place. Movies like this are not just entertaining but educational as well. Remember, war is hell!

[@Ginbug91]

Imagine sitting at this dinner table. Everyone there are so far from your average person, people with wild amounts of responsibility and a perspective on the world that so few people have. Nor would ever want. Imagine a person who potentially has the chance to press the nuclear button. And then sitting down and having a conversation with them, rather than just being like, "Oh, yes sir, of course sir." to anything they say. Because that's how 99% of the people they interact with behave.

[@halbos7637]

@Ginbug91 People like you justify faith in the nature of humanity.

[@AlyssMa7rin]

War is War! There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. :P

[@charlesray4084]

Tell to me. Of ww1ww2 and korea war for survival of country never want you spoiled by technology think war is obsolete what’s fool go asking russsia invasion of Ukraine go xi invade Taiwan people don,t grow up and see the world as cruel and vicious and only the strong survive ?

[@twokool4skool129]

A well written scene in a great movie full of nuance, philosophy and morality. They don't make movies like this anymore

[@tusharranjan1723]

That's the reason I started watching movies and shows from other regions

[@jont2576]

That's because it was adapted from a book.

[@boohooboo]

Hackman's face gives off so much as he moves to draw from his cigar at the very end of this clip. Its like peering right into the writer's brain. Phenomenal.

[@hymansahak181]

Love Gene Hackman. His repertoire of movements, gestures, looks, even twitches is so so multi dimensional.

[@local56]

Hackman and Washington are truly great actors and in this scene they show it, you totally believe in the characters. It's a great film with an outstanding supporting cast.

[@Djarionsounds]

Such a classic film exceptional dialogue and crescendo !

[@MrRayMac1963]

I love that interaction. Two different philosophies of how a warrior interacts with the world. "The nature of our existence is to be so formidable, that we are never called to do our purpose" vs "Our purpose is only to defeat the enemy".

[@saadmohammad122]

I like the duality of this, but more than that I like that the two philosophies are tied together. An ideal warrior is to be so formidable, they will never be challenged, and thus peace will reign. However, for that warrior to be outwardly considered fatally formidable, the warrior must consider themselves to be ruthless to an extreme. Hence, it’s only purpose is to defeat the enemy. The enemy won’t fear a visually terrifying warrior, it will only truly fear the warrior which seriously is dangerous.

[@codyvandal2860]

The implicit point too is that Clausewitz would have changed his opinion if he could have conceived of guns destructive enough to destroy the planet with a single pull of the trigger.

[@JodyOwen-we6oo]

A soldier’s job and duty is to execute orders. Not reason about the nature or purpose of the order. Of course, to be an effective leader one must have a powerful enough mental and moral character to adapt to changing conditions in the field as well, making the duty argument more complicated. It’s why I sympathized with Nicholson’s character in “A Few Good Men.” He wasn’t wrong that elitists in college offices had the luxury of contempt for soldiers precisely because those soldiers existed.

[@emiliospowerballer1441]

exactly

[@marcuslong9761]

@@codyvandal2860 Noone has any idea what Clausewitz's actual opinion is. He couldn't give a straight answer to anything he was asked.

[@user-co8uy5rb2s]

Then it happened and he ended up blind and carrying a Bible across the wasteland. (Some will get it)

[@snail415]

No. I don’t. But he did work part-time at a hardware store and got a cashier’s ring back.

[@CLxJames]

Served on a submarine for eight years, through three different COs and a handful of XOs. You don’t smoke on the sub, especially not in the wardroom. Doesn’t matter who you are

[@tactknightgaming2066]

Let me guess. You were Captain of the ship. Oh wait. No, you were just another lowly officer scrubbing the toilets. If you wanted your opinion to be taken seriously. Don't make a fool of yourself. Captains and Generals get away with everything. Extreme nepotism.

[@SeanDales]

Depends on when you served and who you served under. Before the smoking ban, my first captain would smoke cigars in the wardroom on halfway night.

[@internetenjoyer1044]

can u vape tho

[@TheBarretNL]

@@internetenjoyer1044 A vape pen with sometimes questionable Lithium-Ion packs, that can rupture on impact when dropped in a sub marine... you must be out of your goddamn mind.

[@ahsenkhan5386]

@@tactknightgaming2066 ...and no one asked YOUR opinion

[@neowuwei7851]

Hackman is a great actor and I like Denzel even more in this movie. I saw agreed with his pov on war and the reasons for going to war. He showed that he had a more nuanced interpretation of Von Clauswitz while the Capt only repeated things that supported his beliefs. Which is what most people do in life. Very little reflection on "what does this really mean and do I agree with all of it?"

[@JohnWilson-zh3il]

I see Denzel's character as filling out a quote from David Crockett: "Be sure you're right, then go ahead". While allowing that he can't have all the information all the time, Mr. Hunter is cautious and fact finding before a decision is made but when a decision is made he COMMITS.

[@idiotidiot5821]

People wanna be living the ends justify the means but what the hell is the ends in the case of nuclear combat? At that point all ends lead to nowhere and there is no justification in that.

[@neowuwei7851]

@@JohnWilson-zh3il everyone needs to be cautious when their decision could lead to a nuclear war and kill billions of people.

[@JodyOwen-we6oo]

Among the most interesting things about a world with nuclear weapons is that they’re been used once in battle. And despite what people say Harry Truman made the right decision based on what he knew and his duty as president at the time. It is NOT the job of the US president to safeguard enemy lives. It IS his job to maximize the outcome for Americans. Period. Yet, despite tensions and power hunger in leaders and on and on, no country or independent group has used a nuclear weapon in nearly 8 decades. In fact, in at least 2 documented incidents soldiers tasked with using them in what were later shown to be false alert situations refused to do so, seeking other reasons why the alert happened than enemy launches of missile prior to launching rheirs.

[@charlesray4084]

So if the Soviet are children starving under communism or Islamic radical in Iran want to rape your children murder atheist and Christine forced in religious slavery throw acid in woman face is not worth dying for die for happens the purpose of life is to die!

[@willromeny1]

Top 5 films of all time. Stellar cast and performance. “Alabama!”

[@mbuguakamau5999]

Love the suspense at the end The Captain has just been struck by lightning truth!!

[@Kasz2001]

the answers are just amazing..

[@toomuchdrivetothrive]

This movie may have had the most powerful male cast ever. Talk about titans of the trade. What a lineup.

[@dorothyspeaks6997]

A friend of mine knows I am a huge James Gandolfini fan. He sent this to me randomly (never seen this movie) my ears perked up and I said “that sounds like Tony” to see him made my heart smile. James Gandolfini and Denzel Washington??? TALENT beyond TALENT.

[@tomdonahoe3539]

Some of the damn best acting you'll ever see.

[@cashcleaner]

There’s another movie with a similar theme of nuclear warfare called “By Dawn’s Early Light” that expands on this position quite a bit. Even with millions dead from an initial nuclear strike from the Soviets and response from the US, the American protagonists are not trying to win a war, they are trying to prevent its further escalation.

[@Grubnar]

I remember that one. Powers Booth, Rebeca De Monerey, James Earl Jones, Rip Thorn, and many other fine actors. It was a good movie!

[@R4002]

Gene Hackman is a serious force. “The French Connection” is one of my all-time favorite films. Hackman just *becomes* the character. He did it in this film too. Watch “The Conversation”, “Crimson Tide” and “The French Connection” back to back and you’ll see what I mean. Denzel Washington takes it up several levels with “…the true enemy is war itself” - not just what he says but the expression on his face and every other officer in the room as they observe him and Hackman “spar” (in jest, at first). A real turning point in an excellent film. “Crimson Tide” is up there with “Das Boot”, “Run Silent, Run Deep” and “The Hunt For Red October” as far as top shelf submarine films go.

[@camschuster5947]

Never thought we’d be back in this predicament…but damn. Scary times.

[@Vishonov]

Reading what "the chef" had said a couple of days ago, I'd say no one there really wants that any longer.

[@virnan]

China has taken over domination of navy and will have enough ships to take Taiwan by force in 2027. America needs to prioritize the navy.

[@ictpilot]

@camschuster5947 Not even close.

[@christophermusangi5111]

His Brother is a beast but Tony Scott was a damn poet with the shits!!! RIP: A Damn Great Director.❤

[@histman3133]

Lex Luthor, Aragon and Tony Soprano in the Navy together? 🤔

[@briangraham1024]

For such a hypothetical scenario one could refer to Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov, a lieutenant colonel with the Soviet Air Defence Forces in 1983.

[@arbendit4348]

Tony at the mess hall, Gabagool? Over here!

[@MapleSyrupPoet]

Great job by Gene ...commanding performance #sizzling 🎭🎰

[@normanswazo8586]

Well said-in a nuclear world the true enemy is war itself. If only every military man and politician took that to heart…

[@vdjarchitect]

and with the rising conflict we have nowadays with nuclear superpowered nations, this quote is now more relevant than ever.

[@user-co8uy5rb2s]

All nuclear war is coming. It's just a matter of when.

[@Falcrist]

*_"If only every military man and politician took that to heart..."_* You'll never get everyone to believe it, but so far the leadership has taken it to heart. If they hadn't taken it to heart, the period since the second world war wouldn't be known as "The Long Peace".

[@NardoVogt]

I think the reason we are all still here is that most leaders - certainly most nuclear power leaders - took this to heart for decades now.

[@shooter7a]

Most military men do. They know the reality. It is why we are still here.

[@atifcolak]

Gene hackman what a legend

[@vinsanity982]

I really miss Gene Hackman. Every movie I remember him in was a good movie

[@deanmarten]

You've got to be one heck of an actor to act alongside Denzel, one of the all-time greats, and outshine him in the scene.

[@Firebrand55]

Gene Hackman.....whatever he does, say, has at least a hint of uneasiness. When he's around you watch yourself!...one of the greats of cinema.

[@_ArnabGhosh]

And what's the name ?

[@joemckim1183]

Popeye Doyle, Alonzo Harris, Tony Soprano and Aragorn all sitting around and dronking coffee.

[@Alexanderyhwong]

Both of them should have won academy awards for this movie.

[@benjaminpettibone4254]

I have known a couple of intelligent men in life similar to that of Gene Hackman’s CO position. These men knew basic operations plus much more in their professions. My hat went off to their knowledge and experiences. But in a few instances they lacked wisdom in their over-confident decision making skills that cost them dearly in man power, use of resources and longevity of the project purpose. In these instances they failed miserably. I was younger by a generation in age but brought along some new helpful information with a new perspective that I take no credit of my own from some state of the art schooling and new experiences from those learning institutions. My take was to learn from my employer’s knowledge and experiences and combine that with new techniques/technology to improve the total quality of our projects. It was a difficult time, as a younger person, to go through the hardships of these older mentors but did learn a lot from them. I am in debt to them for what I learned. It’s too bad that these guys also suffered in a few ways with lost revenue, resources and lost personal. In fact, both of these men could not keep employees around long term because their egos, arrogance and loud talk was very condescending. As a military guy, I could handle a lot of it for years working for them until they would lose it altogether. Then it was time for me to leave. This is why this film resonates with me so well.

[@ChazySwpon]

This was my first Tony Scott film. After that i became a fan.

[@jedi4049]

rip

[@crunkalac]

I agree with Denzel's final statement IMPLICITLY!

[@renatomihic1675]

Once you have seen Gene Hackman as Capt. Ramsey, you cannot fn unsee it. He is the CAPTAIN. Definitely one of my top 5 actors of all time. Most natural man in front of camera ever. No effort at all… Amazing.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

he is nothing at all like a real sub captain - best example would be Red October and the USS Dallas' captain. Much more believable.

[@mixererunio1757]

I just love how Hackman's attitude changed from when they were discussing war to when Washington said that war itself is the enemy. For his character war wasn't something bad in itself. He studied it and perfected, he wasn't afraid of it - "You win a war, by destroying your opponent". For Washington's character war was something awful, that should be avoided at all costs -"Today it's impossible to destroy your opponent, so you cannot win a war". He knew from the beginning that they were on the opposite sides (that's why he claimed that he's simple and Hunter is complicated). But now he realised that they didn't share a very core of his values.

[@axucaroso]

Hackman's character seems threatened or at least irritated by Washington's character's ideals, while the XO is unintimidated and deftly defends his position without aggression. Each man demonstrates his attitude about war succinctly not just by what they say but how they say it.

[@marcuslong9761]

This is VERY well said.

[@GTTg-kr2xh]

On my top five movies of all time. Love Washington and Hackman’s intensity.

[@Based_IRL]

Damn in that last moment, even without watching the film, when Hunter makes his stance known you can tell its on between these two gentlemen.

[@ercoleborgiano]

1:43 nice seeing Tony Soprano in there :D

[@jdotsalter910]

Amazing scene. We need more movies like this- pondering morality, officers, men, with a deadly mission.

[@romanroque9559]

Bravo hunter...

[@mevsol2447]

Nothing but talent in that room.

[@emet6306]

The Most Dangerous Animal in the World was a 1963 exhibit at the Bronx Zoo in the Bronx, a borough of New York City. It featured a mirror and text describing the dangers humans pose to life on earth.

[@user-bs1qk2ku7b]

Tarantino was hired as an uncredited 'sweetener' of the dialogue.

[@DeepFriedDave]

I didn't know Tony Soprano was in the Navy before he became a crime boss.

[@dorothyspeaks6997]

I didn’t either!!! His father was a saint I’m sure he was proud of him

[@DeepFriedDave]

@@dorothyspeaks6997 He didn't have the makings of a varsity athlete but he was a damn fine sailor.

[@donnysexta5870]

When there were actors in this earth..the best

[@shakthidhasan4544]

Freakin amazing movie...even more freakin amazing cast. ❤

[@njd2342]

Its a pleasant surprise there still is a world with fingers like Hackman's near the nuclear button.

[@larrywest538]

I like the way that Denzel's last answer about War being the real enemy 'stifled' Hackman. It made him think.

[@y2k704]

The quality of actors in this scene is like a masterclass, I am annoyed I never saw this movie

[@Steve_Schiffenhaus]

Great scene - crazy ensemble in this movie with Gandolfini & Mortensen playing small roles

[@jakep1979]

What an All- Star cast!

[@gabrielhuet9370]

Aragon and tony soprano just chilling in the back is kind of disturbing

[@2001kemalcemal]

the tension in the officers mess is high

[@marcuslong9761]

Anyone else feel a chill enter in the room when Denzel said "the true enemy cant be destroyed"?

[@TheFuckinfunkin]

I forget how amazing gene Hackman was at acting andnwish we had more actors like him now

[@torreyintahoe]

One of the best movies ever.

[@talibhassan652]

The whole movie is a pressure chamber. Extremely intense. Timless classic.

[@joespart4782]

Hackman and Washington were absolutely incredible in this film.

[@AB034TX]

Tony soprano had great mentors.

[@magmat0585]

A mafia mob boss, a baltimore cop, and a vigilante all having dinner together, there's something you don't see every day

[@ariplatt8192]

What a great script. Such an intelligent nature debate.

[@saultube44]

1 of the best movies ever made, and Stars that made it possible; not the SFX lamo shows we have today

[@jp92382]

what a cast. only now noticing vigo mortenson and james gandolfini

[@Joseph1NJ]

I never noticed James's facial expressions. I'm impressed.

[@purnanandyadav844]

All great actors and great discussion 👍

[@kokoeteantigha389]

"God the Omnipotent King who ordainest Great winds thy clarions Lightnings thy sword; Show forth thy pity on high Where thou reignest Give to us peace in our time, O Lord!" Henry F. Chorley 1808 - 1872

[@patcollins5433]

Didn't know Tony was making his bones on a nuclear yacht.

[@HeisenMannj]

The way he address him as "Von" LOL

[@criostoirocuinn]

Brilliant film!

[@jonathonletts8972]

Awesome filmmaking and acting all up. The script is still the star here though setting up their conflict in the plot.

[@jasrajsinghbhinder5033]

The diaouge is really good. but what i keep thinking is that in the hands of 'lesser actors' it would have come across as a bit cheesy. Hackman and Washington though. Just knocked it out of the park!

[@snail415]

Some heavy fn hitters at that table. Boy do movies blow today.

[@gatsby456]

Gene Hackman v. Dustin Hoffman in Runaway Jury is a gem also