Conn 36H Alto Trombone Review!!!!!

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[@jnejdl95]

I paid $70 for a (lightly) used alto trombone off eBay instead of going to prom...totally worth it!!!!

[@holdencovington151]

What brand? I've been searching for an alto myself

[@joshuathedank9661]

Dang worthy sacrifice 😂

[@hiiexist479]

I feel that lmao

[@a_literal_brick]

a review? are you turning into Trent Hamilton?

[@a_literal_brick]

will a trigger mess up the tubing-to-slide-ratio on a trombone? A compensating valve on a valved horn will change the tubing length, but you can't do that on a slide trombone.

[@hexgleam]

"will a trigger mess up the tubing-to-slide-ratio on a trombone? " It kinda will, but if you think about it a slide is only a way to change pitch besides valves. Valves change the amount of tubing in an instrument, which affects the pitch. A slide changes the amount of tubing air is moving through in a trombone (or a trumpet/tuba/etc in the case of tuning slides). With triggers on modern trombones, it just adds some tubing when you depress the trigger. Another thing to consider is that pitch moves up and down when you buzz at that pitch. A trombone slide is only a way to move from (for example) playing an F to playing a C. When you use a trigger, you're only adding to the range of notes you can play by buzzing at different pitches. You then move around in your current range with the slide. By "mess up the tubing-slide ratio", you're probably thinking that it'll make the slide go though less or more notes as you move it about, right? The easiest answer to give in that case is that a slide always lets you play 7 notes at the range you're buzzing to play, and that you can just play a different range and another seven notes when you use a trigger.

[@a_literal_brick]

Spencer Acreman but there will be more tubing in the bell section, but the slide will be the same length. That is why I think it would mess up the ratio.

[@hexgleam]

"The easiest answer to give in that case is that a slide always lets you play 7 notes at the range you're buzzing to play, and that you can just play a different range and another seven notes when you use a trigger." It changes the note you're currently playing to one of 6 others in the same pitch range or whatever. The trigger gives you a new "pitch/range thing". The ratio of bell tubing : slide tubing doesn't matter. In fact, old bass trombones used to have massive slides that were really hard to use. Triggers were made only so that they could move some of that tubing to the bell section for convenience.

[@a_literal_brick]

Spencer Acreman the contrabass is of course an exception, but I see what you are saying

[@cmw12]

Love that timbre! I wish more people played the alto and more music were written for it.

[@CaptainApathetic]

At least Eb Alto (Tenor in the commonwealth) Horn music can be played on it almost as intended

[@johnminiongamer1991]

I tried to search other videos about this particular instrument, but yours is the only one that I could find.

[@matthewharris065]

Check out the channel "altobone" here on youtube. He doesn't necessarily have videos about the instrument but he plays it in a very different way than the instrument is portrayed. A practical use if you will.

[@NotBroihon]

At 6:29 I first thought you were going to play the Hummel Trumpet Concerto ^^

[@classicaltrombone]

+Kappa haha I was thinking about it!

[@conradcash5103]

+Kappa Spam Kappa in the chat.

[@LowReedExpert1]

They aren't too rare anymore, Wessex started seeling some, basically modified chinese horns, but they're great for a $300 horn, particularly when the only other option is thousands of dollars and in Europe

[@dilworther]

So Chris, when are you gonna play Variations on The Carnival of Venice for slide trombone hehe

[@geekgames5017]

oh wow good sound for Alto trombone. its more difficult than a tenor. I love what you do.

[@CamdenBrown]

I think the S. E. Shires alto trombone has a Bb attachment.

[@rainyjacktheepic]

Camden Brown but it's open wrap. And it has that weird in slide tuning thing.

[@CamdenBrown]

rainyjacktheepic Some people (like myself) prefer open wrap instruments. As for the sliding-tuning, Shires made their alto like that to include a more solid low A and E. Some other altos are notorious for having these notes almost off of the slide, but I'm sure Shires would customize your horn however you want it if you have the money. I suppose it all comes down to a preference thing, so it's great that we have all of these options available.

[@srorasco1]

Rath R11 has an Eb/D or an Eb/Bb

[@recnepseafrom7750]

rainyjacktheepic Putting tuning in the handslide eliminates parallel walls in the bell section and allowing it to be truly conical improving overall tone and reducing turbulence.

[@NickBurnham1]

Excellent overview, I love playing my alto but don't have one with a trigger yet.

[@wwemario12345]

Yamaha also make an alto trombone with a trigger but it puts it in to the key of D instead of Bb.

[@bobcat24]

Very strange.....

[@LowReedExpert1]

That is what is known as a "Trill Rotor"

[@atrombonist]

That ending :D Btw I feel with you I'm also an android user.

[@benwilliams5837]

I'm a trombone player and barbershop singer. Something I've done a bit of is transcribing barbershop charts for trombone quartet. Alto trombone works really well for the highest "tenor" parts, because it is a harmony part that is always above the melody, and is meant to be lighter.

[@CoralPolyps]

Its so true about the emojis :P

[@julianc.torres9857]

I'm waiting for the Saturday vid :((((

[@lvtuba]

Or shires, thein. The Yamaha can be ordered with an optional trill valve which helps with solo literature.

[@austin5920]

Hm...maybe I'll get one of those mini pBones...

[@valorantstellar]

In your loops and arrangements, you play a straight tenor for the main vocals, why do you choose that over an F attachment?

[@bubba_supreme1128]

Probably due to bore size

[@jacobruiz97]

Probably for the sound. An alto trombone is considerably brighter than a tenor trombone. Also most vocal melodies are well within the reasonable range of the tenor trombone (unless it’s an Ariana Grande song lol).

[@pawbiter]

Thank you. I just ordered one online (new) today to add to my instrument collection. I already have a tenor, a bass, a soprano, and a tenor valve so I figured why not get an alto also.

[@redfive2008]

I remember playing parts of the Nutcracker Suite in college orchestra 20 years ago or so. I was 2nd chair bone, using my trusty YSL-356R. My music was in tenor clef rather than bass clef, and my 1st chair was reading alto clef, also playing her tenor bone. I imagine this alto bone would have made things much easier for both of us.

[@esiotrot1018]

It wouldn't have. Unless the score specifically calls for Alto trombone then 1st and 2nd should be played on tenors regardless of the clef. Quite a lot of Stravinsky's and Prokofiev's works place both the 1st and 2nd tenor trombones on a single alto clef staff. And all trombonists should be able to read and be comfortable playing from the 4 main clefs.

[@georgetirebiter4343]

Didjer ever hear that album Cristian Lindberg did with mezzo soprano Monica Groop? Trombone and Voice in the Habsburg Empire. Very pretty stuff.

[@adtheviewer]

What tenor trombone is in Bb? (I'm in England and) I've never seen any tenor trombone in anything other than C...

[@vasukushalnagar4087]

+Adam Carter Well think of a tenor trombone like a trumpet. Both have their base notes (i.e. open) as a Bb progression. As in for first position, it is Bb pedal, Bb, F, Bb, D, F, etc. Transposition was originally made to make it simpler to write for instruments that could only play those kinds of progressions of notes. Trumpets back then (or really bugles) were made in different keys like Bb C and A so that the player did not have to relearn the music if he wanted to play a new type of trumpet, which of course he would have to do if he wanted to play a different song as not all trumpets could play any given note. Trombones, on the other hand always could play every note as they were created with slides originally. So because C is the normal key, tenor trombone players just learned to play in C and played most of their things on their one trombone, unless they had to play alto trombone, in which they transposed themselves. So in truth, although Tenor Trombone is written for C usually (In brass bands it is written for treble clef Bb which is near identical to tenor clef C), they are actually a Bb instrument.

[@wt4629]

I believe talking about non transposing instruments, (trombone, bassoon, flute etc.) they are referred to as "C instruments" because when notated in treble clef, their bottom partial is in first (open for valve players) is C, but when written is bass clef, it's Bb. Correct me if I'm wrong, that part of theory has always confused me.

[@robbaughman6706]

I could have used this horn on the cruise ship gig I had where I had to sight read Tenor Saxophone music! Both tuned in Eb.

[@deadeyenumber2892]

I love it's sound. Beautiful

[@kealohikaluhiwa]

Dude you are pretty cool I play the euphonium and I kinda wish I played the trombone now

[@Hasnep]

The emoji rant was the best bit. At least the animal emoji are WAY cuter on Android!

[@MattEden97]

I believe the Yamaha Alto has a D valve for semitone trills? Could be wrong. Bb valve seems more useful though. :)

[@justachicken6863]

My band teacher loves lake street dive!!!

[@darylynn621]

Can you make a video about the transitional process to a new horn .? . also lump all tutorials under one heading. I am an OLD horn player from 1968, now learning Soprano and Tenor , btw Your Tone and Sound is really excelent. my. Bride of 40 yrs,is a concert Pianist , She said So! so it Is.She also keep the Hair ,cuz it will streak and be way cool.

[@wizeoaldowl]

I do know of a few other Altos with triggers. Shires has a few.

[@alvarocerritos]

No Schiller makes an alto with a B-flat trigger as well!

[@hanj31]

They should make one for a soprano trombone too.

[@godzillapowerpufffan8142]

I love the sound of this instrument it reminds me of a French horn

[@jacobzimmerman9092]

That is a really cool trombone that I did not really know existed, one thing I am curious about which does not really apply to that trombone it self but do you think you will play any jazz pieces soon/ have you played some jazz in the past?

[@kevinhornbuckle]

Fantastic. Thanks for this.

[@carsonstephens2508]

Schiller makes an alto trombone with a Bb trigger

[@ephronium]

it’s like an alto horn but with a 4th valve putting it in the key of Bb

[@mymusicsavvy]

Really nice video, Christopher. Regarding the high end, I think it partly depends on the mouthpiece. What mouthpiece were you using? As someone who plays alto exclusively, I need to sound more like a tenor so that I blend with the other horns in big bands. To accomplish that, I play a Bach 6 1/2 AL on a Yamaha .YSL671 I would say my high range is a LITTLE better than when I played tenor. (Hard to remember that far back.) I just think the alto is a great jazz horn. Quicker and higher overtones for more presence. www.altobone.com

[@tobysimard9638]

Can all alto bones take a 6 1/2 al?

[@titussmith542]

You talked about trills in your video as the one advantage to the trigger, how often do you see those in parts (most likely orchestral) and is it worth it to get the trigger? Also, how practical/useful is an alto outside of orchestra? (I know you are sponsored by Conn Selmer.) Is this your only video today? :p

[@classicaltrombone]

+Tromp Trills are all over solo rep for the alto. Orchestral playing I can't think of one. Outside of orchestra playing, the alto is really good if you're working on an alto solo, but other than that I'm not sure you'd touch it. I do just because I write my own music, so I can write for whatever I want/have. Another guy that does this (way better than me) is Jim Nova. Check out his stuff if you haven't. He utilizes the alto for orchestral playing as well as his own arrangements (which are certainly very orchestral).

[@titussmith542]

+Christopher Bill Thankyou for the reply

[@georgetheodoroulis5574]

Shires has altos with Bb sides

[@stephaniesarahfishman3986]

Thank you, so interesting.

[@German805ful]

Are you going to use the alto trombone in future pieces of music?

[@bulletinboardoflife]

i wonder if older bigger trumpet mouthpieces fit on this.

[@mayadk9476]

Hi I Play trombone to and ive been playing for almost 3 years now. I really want to know how you've gotten such amazing tone. My tone is good, but its nothing compared to yours. Any tips or tricks for getting amazing tone.??PLEASE REPLY xxxooo

[@thebennygaming408]

Hey man I think you should do an duet trombone (tenor or alto) with a euphonium or baritone

[@awildjared1396]

how similar is an Alto trombone to a trumpet? Because I play Bb trumpet and I'm thinking about playing either a Bb Tenor trombone or an Alto trombone, so please let me know which is better.

[@AB-qe6br]

Great review Chris. Did you use a much smaller mouthpiece for the higher range?

[@NoswalGames]

Interesting trombone. I will be getting a bass trombone this week and was wondering if you had any beginner tips. I have been playing on tenor for six years now as i started in sixth grade. Any help would be great.

[@GirthyNuts]

Hilarious ending!!

[@djdavisiscool]

Isn't trombone in the key C and trumpet is in Bb that's why the music is written in different key signatures?

[@classicaltrombone]

It is not. If you play first position, it's a Bb (same as trumpet.) The instrument itself is built in Bb, but we the musicians are concert pitch readers. Alto trombones read in concert pitch as well, but the instrument is in Eb.

[@Nearsightedwaddledee]

One thing I never understood about the alto: is the slide length still the same? It's difficult to tell without the juxtaposition to the tenor trombone.

[@wt4629]

+Brett Tipton it can't be a full 7 otherwise you could use an alto for most tenor parts as long as the alto has a trigger.

[@ericsummers765]

Have you ever tried a piccolo trombone?

[@rhysmorris5338]

Do a setup video!

[@wahoobeans]

Curious to hear what you think of the phone. Ur a fantastic player! Where did you study?

[@tbonetime3568]

I bought a pBone mini

[@nathanielwilliford2589]

This specific instrument’s trigger is not for trills. They do sell alto trombones that have a tiny valve section that is for trills. This is for other reasons such as increased low range or shortcuts for certain notes. And btw hi Christopher

[@edwinedward4543]

What do I need to do (concerning copyright) for taking your music, changing it from trombone quartet to horn, tbone, tbone, and Bari sax quartet, and then performing it? Thanks

[@matthew0757]

Hypothetically if you have a smaller student you could have them using the bb side of it

[@nikhilargade6983]

Is an alto trombone concert pitch

[@NovaThePony]

Beautiful sound. Honestly kind of cute, too, lol. This would be fun to try out!

[@EllieAbbott512]

How did you come up with the name Matilda?

[@martinvegas1327]

What trombone is used in jazz?

[@StephenALS2002]

It’s crazy that the viola and the trombone are the only instruments that read in the middle

[@drlingling6184]

that is a beautiful looking instrument not gonna lie

[@lvtuba]

If they call the alto stuff during the last few rounds when you're not behind a screen, the 36h is fine.

[@rbhmusic98]

what mouthpiece are you using for alto?

[@collinparnell931]

well see now I want an alto

[@creamyfilling102]

you can't just push the trigger and automatically play in b flat like a tenor though, can you? when you increase the length of tubing on the instrument via the trigger, your slide is no longer long enough to give you 7 positions. like with an F trigger on a tenor, you can't play E flat in 3rd and push the trigger to turn it into a B flat. it comes out as a B natural because you have to move the slide out further to compensate for a longer instrument for the same frequency ratio to get a major 4th.

[@pauls5745]

you can, as the tubing length is 1:1 with a tenor bone once the trigger is engaged. more compensation is a norm the farther out the slide is but you'll be so close to Bb positions that you wouldn't notice really.

[@sethcross7192]

So, is the tuning the same? like how D's, C's etc. are all flat. and like F, E, Eb are all sharp? well I guess it would be a fourth up on alto though.

[@classicaltrombone]

+Seth Cross a fourth up, but yes. It's actually the whole partial on either trombone. On tenor, you can't play the Ab in first position because it's too flat (and you can't move up higher than 1st), but if you follow that partial down to G, Gb, F, E, etc. every one of those is also flat. This is just because of the physics of sound and the overtone series, so any brass instrument deals with this. Some have alternate fingerings, trumpets have the 3rd valve slide, and we have a big slide! So yes, on the Eb the same proportional notes are fixed the same way, the 7th note in the overtone series being too flat to play in 1st position.

[@sethcross7192]

+Christopher Bill I may have this wrong, but according to the overtone series, isn't an F considered in tune? when its actually sharp on trombone? I don't really know tuning tendencies of other brass instruments other than trumpet.

[@JingleBop]

So it's the brass version of the alto sax!

[@williamrobinson6059]

+Alex West opposite

[@jelleypeanuts7866]

can you play tuba?

[@lvtuba]

The only problem with the Conn is that it sounds a lot like a small bore tenor at orchestral auditions. Just a heads up. Yamaha, gets a more, alto sound.

[@classicaltrombone]

+Las Vegas Tuba Interesting note. Like I said in the video, I have NO idea comparatively.

[@lvtuba]

+Christopher Bill yeah, I would've never thought that would be an issue except I saw a bunch of people passed on at San Diego principal bone audition. Some notes indicated that the committee believed they were faking it on a small bite tenor. That horn is a very great "working alto". But for blind auditions, it doesn't sound terribly different from a small bore tenor with a 12C

[@lvtuba]

+Las Vegas Tuba small bore tenor. #autocorrectfail

[@rillkaleigh4944]

So if a trombone is in F a C would be in first position?

[@jasonjayalap]

rill kaleigh a brass instrument "in F" would make an F as its lowedt note with the slide NOT extended (and/or no valves pressed)

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

Guess this is a bit late, but, yeah, C would be first position (one harmonic up from F).

[@shawnmmiller984]

💃💃💃💃💃💃💃💃💃

[@LilRAPNIK]

How come all of your triggers and even tenors are all in the key of Bb instead of C? And do you only by trombones in that key on purpose?

[@LowReedExpert1]

+LilRAPNIK Here's the weird thing about low brass, They are Bb horns, that play in the key of C (standard instruments you'll play are all Bb) They only play in C but are named after the notes in the open interval series. (put a trumpet in Bass Clef, and it would be a Bb horn playing in C) Does that make sense? I'm awful at explaining

[@bandnerd0124]

are trombones not in concert pitch?

[@samanthafisher4494]

BandNerd012 bass clef isn't transposing so you read it as though it's concert pitch. If it was in treble but played down an octave it would be like a trumpet/ten sax ect

[@jauch0]

You might have mentioned that just about everything written for alto trombone is written in alto clef. If you can't read alto clef, you might as well not bother with the alto trombone.

[@TheStickyKey]

Why have I watched this like 3 times

[@christophervivestrumpet7565]

really it's related to a trumpet

[@bulletinboardoflife]

heheh B flat side of this horn sounds like a seal urp urp urrrrp :)

[@trombonecoach]

The alto trombone is what classical composers, from Mozart and Beethoven on, had in mind to play their 1st trombone (alto) trombone parts- from Beethoven, Schumann and Mendelssohn through Brahms and even Bruckner- 19th Century 1st trombone parts are written in alto clef because that is the instrument that they intended them to be played on. It’s not a “novelty” to have that sound- there is a characteristic alto trombone sound that (especially 19th century) composers had in mind for their pieces. It’s not a novelty- it’s how they should sound and are intended to be played. It was only “jock” mentality American trombone players who wanted to prove that they could play very high notes on their tenor trombones that made the alto trombone go out of style for the first 3/4 of the 20th Century…sadly.

[@Tbaribone1115]

What does the "H" stand for?

[@classicaltrombone]

+Jacob Carter Each company has a different lettering system. I believe for Conn the H simply means "slide trombone" while a G would mean "valve trombone". For example my bass trombone is a 62HI, H being slide trombone and I being independent bass trombone valve.

[@austin5920]

Yes, correct. Conn had a different letter for each instrument. A was for Cornet, B for Trumpet, C for Alto Horn etc., all the way to T for Violins (Conn made Violins!?).

[@putpongpoon4894]

9:19 wow

[@gtcoolest]

💃

[@thebennygaming408]

Anybody agree

[@jxi2887]

I play trombone

[@prkr3724]

Hello! HIIiiiiIII. Hello!

[@Elemental029]

can/may i have the trombone christopher? (just kidding)

[@Ewumm]

Hello! *HaaaAAaaii.* 𝙃𝙚𝙡𝙡𝙤.

[@anthonyvargas9790]

español

[@zadigolindecifrabileironia5932]

something bad? it's crazy expensive man!

[@bulletinboardoflife]

microtonal! #xen is the new hips

[@lucashedquist8555]

Plays at 4:37

[@drakebrock6820]

I'm mad that I cant click the timestamp

[@TheDerpyPigGamer]

Rip alto. Like if you cry every tiem

[@opasaris]

a good low price alto trombone anyone?

[@Ewumm]

**under breath** tenor is superior

[@javigd96]

In The android Whatsapp we also have the cute one emoji.

[@Theo_Deo_]

a tenour trombone is actually in the key of C

[@classicaltrombone]

+Zach Abraham The tenor trombonists read in C/concert pitch, but the instrument itself is no different than trumpet, bass trombone, euphonium, or tuba. The instruments all sound the same pitches based on fingerings/slide positions (regardless of what the musicians themselves call those notes!)

[@Theo_Deo_]

+Christopher Bill ohhh. My band instructor just doesn't really fo into details

[@robbaughman6706]

Trombones are keyed in C. Trumpets are in the key of Bb. When a trombone plays a Bb its the same as a trumpet playing C. They are a half pitch difference in the music they read. SO if a trombone reads trumpet music they must transpose up a half step and then up an octave.

[@moltrev5786]

Trombones are keyed in Bb, but the bass clef is a nontransposing clef and so trombone players' music is normally is concert pitch (unless you play in a brass band, in which case your music will be in treble clef, and transposed just as it is on a trumpet).

[@trumpetplayerdude9838]

MolTrev you're a hundred percent right dude I'm glad some people actually know about brass bands

[@GirthyNuts]

First!

[@riffraffradicalmarchingban4829]

Alto is hard lol

[@robbaughman6706]

Tenor and Bass Trombones are in the key of C not Bb. Trombones and Trumpets are not keyed the same.

[@sGSdYgsdGA8fSWrRb2uzpMzzt2ys90]

Rob Baughman tenor and bass trombones are in Bb

[@samanthafisher4494]

Rob Baughman bass clef is non transposing

[@altoyhost]

Bass clef is non transposing trombones are in Bb tho we read concert pitch