Conscripts vs Gi's Deployed - Same Cost - Red Alert 2

[@stefanstoyanov7460]

If the GI's are not dug in, they'll get massacred. Overall conscripts and GI's are well balanced between eachother, something that cannot be said about those accursed initiates.

[@ohlookitisacat7404]

Tbf, Yuri was made to be Overpowered and as accurate to the story mode as possible. Balance wasn't a consideration factor at the time.

[@reaperwithnoname]

I actually disagree. Initiates, like GIs, are inferior to their value in Conscripts when standing. It's only in garrisons that Initiates become better than Conscripts, to say nothing of GIs.

[@DruzaCardonikc]

@@reaperwithnoname 1v1 initiates beat conscripts, but conscripts are are better per dollar.

[@burningsinner1132]

There is one fun point of balance - conscript is JUST strong enough to survive uncharged prism tower shot, which makes it even more useless than it would be.

[@Nukestarmaster]

@@ohlookitisacat7404 Eh, Yuri isn't overpowered, he is just _different._ Yes he has some overperforming units, but the allies and soviets do too. If anything, Yuri's much smaller arsenal is incredibly limiting, and his navy is outright bad.

[@captainfordo2780]

I love how when the conscripts are going to win, the most famous soundtrack of red alert kicks in.

[@Dhamarez_Schnazer]

Yup it was Hell March

[@chenrayen]

pro editing move

[@Marinealver]

Okay, I can now see why they took the cloning vat away from the Soviets.

[@meowistforlife]

No kidding!

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Andngave it to yuri

[@marxLz]

Yeah, cloning vats removes the weaknesses of soviets in their infantry.

[@TheManofthecross]

Only in yuri’s revenge this is the case otherwise the cloning vats is a must for them.

[@BinhTran-lh8zz]

Lol 🤣🤣 Soviet conscripts are useless.

[@drunkenqueen3077]

3:21 I love how the first gunfire sync with the rock music kicks in.

[@Hassan_The_ivth]

True

[@beey8334]

This music is 🔥🔥🔥🔥, make my adrenaline rush

[@anshuldwivedi1919]

Surprised that people (including myself) love this game even after 2 decades+ and no gaming firm has tried to launch a refurbised version of it with current day graphics

[@rowaystarco]

it's not that long ago that they did a remaster of CnC and Red Alert 1. So people are speculating that remasters of Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 might come as well.

[@szechungmui]

The graphics hold up remarkably well; the maps and units are colourful with little clutter

[@z.albasha]

Man. This game is nostalgia incarnated

[@OathofthePeachGarden]

We play mental omega

[@defaulted9485]

I dont think the graphics need a remake. I dont play RA3 because it isnt made out of voxels so it feels claustrophobic to play. Unlike RA2 amd Mental Omega.

[@branaden]

For every conscript who dies on our glorious quest. There are a thousand more eager to replace them.

[@agielagielando4593]

also cloning vats doesn't included, so the result would be even better.

[@rovinharleyjavier5260]

Hail hydraa

[@icer1249]

cut off 1 head. 2 more shall take its place

[@belgianheskey]

You're right comrade general

[@DarkKnight52365]

@@rovinharleyjavier5260 CUT OFF ONE HEAD TWO MORE SHALL TAKE ITS PLACE HAIL HYDRA

[@marxLz]

conscripts may have slight advantage on open terrain, as shown in this video, but will only be effective when you train too many of them. Still having to spend your resources for a lot of conscripts is risky, but not to the point of becoming useless.

[@sys3248]

It's nearly useless. They're just meat. It's good that they can be used to Garrison buildings.

[@Rawkit_Surgeon]

Paratrooper spam is underrated. It's basically free units.

[@Cyb3rn3tic]

If mixed with tanks, conscripts work better than GI due to their mobility and flak armour... but dogs are still the best

[@ClamMan1989]

How many is too many?

[@youravghuman5231]

Conscript is better for overall while gi is only good when delployed otherwise it's useless. I would say conscript is offensive and gi is defensive

[@andrewboyer7544]

To be fair veteran conscripts are rare and veteran GI are pretty common. So the GI is a good value.

[@SinfullyHera]

If deployed*

[@sarahd2623]

These vids have taught me to fear conscripts more than anything else in the game, omg..

[@Nemophilist850]

>lost all but one engagement

[@МихаилРозов-ю9п]

@@Nemophilist850 From the point of view of modern military theory, they had no chance to achieve anything. So they did the impossible.

[@tonnytn3094]

I passed RA2 for Soviets using conscripts and sometimes mixed with dogs and flack troopers... Almost all missions... on Hard Difficulty... Just making waves of conscripts and send them to enemy postion through attack move. For Aliance same... but it needs not less than 2 barracks because GI training longer... Each time you reach enemy position deploy GIs and they destroy everything around in a blink of eye... but send them not less than 90-100 units

[@tonnytn3094]

Economicaly it is effective... Conscripts 30 units = 3000 its cheaper than 2 Appocalypsises but 30 cons kill 2 Appocs easily. With clone device its 60 cons that is more dangerous

[@0xVENx0]

i love you my son, you dont have to fear anything anymore

[@GJ_DM]

I think it becomes a less fair test of strength when the conscripts start amassing while the GI's have to stay spaced out. It's just a classic example of force concentration. This would be even more one sided if you actually concentrated the GI's effectively rather than nerfing them by keeping them spread.

[@RenegadeVile]

Exactly what I was going to comment. Yo ucan see the wave of conscripts slowly bunch together, meaning more of them are coming into range than before, whereas the GI's just stay stationary and the amount of GIs able to shoot remains unchanged. As soon as the Conscripts reach critical mass, they overwhelm them.

[@madensmith7014]

@@RenegadeVile The GI's still have a lot of initial advantage due to their range. Mowing them down before they can mass up, though when the conscripts do start to bunch up and don't have to run as much, they start snowballing.

[@Lazorlink]

This is kind of exactly the point of wave attacks though. A defensive setup, like the GIs have, would not be able to bunch up effectively. This was a good test of strength vs strength

[@itzaleaf405]

@@madensmith7014 They have the advantage of being dug in and greater range. (Unit to unit, GIs are better in this case) However the conscripts have the "penalty" of attacking but it also means they have the chance to mass up as well... Makes me wonder how this test would go if it was inverted. (Conscripts stand around, while GIs push them instead)

[@youravghuman5231]

@@itzaleaf405 if gi push without deployed then it's useless

[@nottoday3817]

Hmm. Interestin. However, it would have been nice to issue constant commands to the conscripts in the back ranks. The GIs have the obvious advantage of being stationary, thus they condense their firepower much better, and that density of firepower holds throughout the battle. Meanwhile, the conscripts get scattered around and focused down as they advance. It would be interesting to see what would happen if you can bring all of them to the frontline

[@GreenElf]

good point of view, i can increase their range like in the towers batttle

[@wellendowedplatypus9024]

@@GreenElf Seems a bit pointless, they would win handily if the only variable you change is increasing their range. The GIs won solely because of their superior range and the initial ranks of conscripts blocking the ones behind them because of their poor range. Though I guess it would be interesting to see how little of a numerical advantage the conscripts would need to win it if both sides had infinite range. I'm guessing around 25%.

[@reaperwithnoname]

The thing is, that disadvantage comes naturally with large numbers. If you remove it, it's no longer a valid test. Same reason the ability to be promoted mid-fight is important.

[@Skyblade12]

Actually incorrect. The conscripts get the advantage of getting to bunch up, bringing more of their firepower to bear at one point at a time. That’s why they could eventually overpower. If the GIs were as tightly grouped, they’d win even more.

[@chickendrawsdogs3343]

I never understood the thought process behind GIs' death screams 🤣

[@Anonymous-ld7je]

They tried to make them sound comically American, like how the conscripts sound comically "Russian"

[@ReviveHF]

Who needs Guardian GI and Apocalypse Tank when you have deployed GI .

[@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207]

Russia: “Attempts to present the decision as containing an element of ‘self-restraint’ are useless." "The fact that the United States, at the head of a group of states, is engaged in a purposeful pumping of weapons into the Kyiv regime is an obvious thing.” - Sergei Ryabkov Better to make a from Soviet (and Yuri) to Allied gameplay even when I would play as the first two themselves...

[@e-satan9032]

Against infantry

[@lemonacidrounds7293]

Those attacked by Kirov Airship, Siege Chopper, Nighthawk Transport, Floating Disk, Harrier, Black Eagle, Dreadnought, Aircraft Carrier, Boomer or Rockeeter!

[@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207]

@@lemonacidrounds7293 Plus Cosmonaut aka Lunar Infantry after infiltrating barracks of any factions...

[@Marinealver]

Who need anything when you have conscripts and cloning vats?

[@TheValentineEnemy]

Dayum I expected these to go differently....I wonder how a 10 vs. 20 would go as in, only 1 line of deployed GIs, their range played a key role here I feel like. Well until the heroic horde was unleashed...haha.

[@reaperwithnoname]

2 Conscripts vs 1 deployed GI is conscript win. It's in massed formations like this that GIs win. This is what GIs are for (well, this and outranging base defenses when elite).

[@phatxity9948]

U play heroes 4

[@frag2k12]

If I remember my rules.ini file correctly Conscripts also have flak armour as standard so have a little extra defence which certainly seems to come into play more at higher veterancies, of course GIs get wiped when note deployed.

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

I loved modifying that ini file for specific maps. I ended making tanks super weak to troll some online players who played my maps. It was hilarious. The good old days.

[@cruelangel7737]

Conscript takes two hits from one prism tower to die.

[@friendlyinternetman5271]

Deployed vanilla GI’s are my favorite unit in the game since I was a kid. Was waiting for this video forever lol

[@nathancook8903]

If you have the clone building, you get twice the conscripts. The actual price equivalent would be 500 GIs to 2,000 conscripts. Not 500 to 1,000

[@cityofbhat7722]

Soviets don’t have cloning vats in YR.

[@dukenukem5592]

@@cityofbhat7722 nobody play in YR.

[@patahgaming]

​@@cityofbhat7722the tittle literally say red Alert 2 and not yuri Reverange

[@28-r8b]

WW2 Eastern Front summarsed in 4:28 minues

[@edwardr5793]

fighting against Capitalism better

[@Basta11]

Simplistic and not entirely accurate. What happens was that in the beginning of the German invasion, the Soviets were caught off guard. It was a surprise after all. In these first battles the Germans overwhelmed the Soviets in numbers as the Soviets were scattered, scrambling for leadership, trying to fall back East. After Stalingrad, the Soviet were now on the offensive. When taking a fortified position, the attack force really needs to be 3x the defenders. Casualties will be expected to be larger on the attackers. The Germans of course knew they were coming and dug in.

[@edwardr5793]

@@Basta11 take a look on real history even Deutsch are superior tech, most of their veteran pass into another lyfe, during Orsha Bobruisk offensive Soviet only get little casualties coz they bring superior tech and strategem. B-4 203mm push closer to the front n let em besiege surrounded Deutsch. Air power also play key extremely important role here. Soviet bring 305mm new Andryusha deadlier than BM-13 Katiowa 132mm RBS SAP. Special demolition charge PPSh-41 semi avto SVT 40 rifles. best trained battleharden Gvard rifles rgt very adaptable almost all situation, new T-34-85(1944) 5 crew w better turret armor and in more larger numbers all these make Deutsch completely lack ammo lack food lack manpower. already heavily drained prolonged war is unsuitable after just 3.5y dive into WWII. Italy has fall half year earlier before summer 1944 massif Soviet offensive operations

[@hossainabeer]

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in mass quantity

[@robertstan298]

What a idiotic comment

[@octapusxft]

Human History seems to agree with that statement

[@johnremcastro]

@@octapusxft You don't have to look back at history. Just watch the news.

[@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207]

@@johnremcastro 🇯🇵💩🤮👎🏻 🇰🇵🇰🇷🇨🇳🇷🇺🙂👍🏻

[@ShinkinNoMakai]

1:08 The last three conscripts could wipe all those G.I if we manually control them, could be a good movie material too lol

[@miruuuuuuuu]

NEVER. My GIs kick ass.

[@iaminpain8407]

@@miruuuuuuuu *laughs in rhino tank blitzkireg*

[@user-cv8xu2yk7m]

@@iaminpain8407 *Laughs in 8 Black Eagles*

[@user-cv8xu2yk7m]

@@iaminpain8407 *With Mirage tanks*

[@miruuuuuuuu]

@@iaminpain8407 *sobs in unfair crushes*

[@darthhodges]

The GIs have a significantly longer range with no promotions but it looks like the conscripts get promoted faster and improve more as they get promoted which is why they won at higher promotion levels.

[@pagnakaze]

I still remember during the alliance final mission, I put 5 GI deployed to defend a place and they are still alive till the end.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

A showcase of quality vs quantity - quality winning out in most circumstances.

[@Rowrin]

“Quantity has a quality all its own.” ~ Stalin.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

Unfortunately, this video also comes with the conclusion that quantity will beat quality in large scale and whenever conscripts fight it's ALWAYS a large scale fight and they will ALWAYS come in large number.

[@KasumiRINA]

@@Rowrin said the guy who lost mot people of any war in human history, forever impoverishing his country to the point it never recovered and collapsed losing a war to Afghanistan... and now his followers and sacrificing their entire male population to take like one street in Marinka.

[@woofkaf7724]

Т.е. окпавшиеся считаются более качественным юнитом? Давай наоборот проверим. Черные бегут на красных. Даже тут видно, что красные имеют меньше радиус стрельбы. Видимо идёт подавление и они ложатся на землю из-за чего им приходится подползать. В это время они не наносят урон. И черные скорее всего ещё имеют какой-нибудь бонус к защите из-за укреплённой позиции.

[@wamenslot]

I love how those westwood classic rts games always handled so damm good the pathfinding and also a lot units in game. If you look to other games in the era, they all had either bad path finding or limited build cap.

[@octapusxft]

the final battle was an accurate depiction of the Soviet push towards Germany in WW2. Numbers can be a really scary thing

[@CrazySovietIngeneere]

learn history before write

[@tixoxodka708]

The losses of the USSR against fascist Europe were 4 to 3. The myth of cannon fodder was created by Goebbels to cheer up the Wehrmacht and later adopted by NATO during the Cold War

[@FlushedRVA]

I love you Green Elf. Your videos help depression for real.

[@gungir2295]

I'm not certain, but I think they're being attacked!

[@jurgenronaaz4695]

They might also be pinned down, not certain

[@gureguru4694]

this is why 3/3/3 upgrades for zergs in SC/2 is VERY important lol

[@MechWarrior894]

I guess what makes GIs good is they deal more damage to vehicles before getting run over

[@hell_march6652]

I always edited the ini so troops will move when about to get run over. I always thought it was dumb how they would just stand there in the direct path of the tank and NOT move. I dunno about you. But if I seen any vehicle trying to run me over I am damn well going to try my hardest to get out of the way!!!!!!!!!

[@llSuperSnivyll]

Conclusion: Elite Reserves would be broken in base game.

[@MoMo-wj8jq]

Should we increase the fire range two of them to compare the fire power?

[@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207]

ДА!

[@GreenElf]

like in the towers battle, yes

[@fernandodiaz9064]

I'd like a remake of this video with different attacking strategies like flanking the G.I's, etc.

[@dba6097]

I think when a unit is promoted, its value is changed too. If conscript is elite, the value is like $700 compare to Elite GI $1400

[@danielross489]

Good video. Now let's see the GI's make the charge!

[@andrewsills8963]

would love to see allied aircraft carriers vs soviet dreadnoughts

[@akpellablok]

Dreadnoughts will win

[@lemonacidrounds7293]

@@akpellablok The hornets are a bit slow to go back and reload but Dreadnought's missiles do less damage than hornets bombs (talking about normal not promoted ships or hornets). It depends which ship they're targeting, are they targeting them separately or all ships targeting one ship cause that matters!

[@Marinealver]

Depends, Dreadnoughts win the damage race but you can dodge their missiles easier than you can dodge the hornets.

[@scaleworksRC]

Yeah but those 7% will be scarred for life after witnessing all that death.

[@jankus5133]

Nice WW1 simulation.

[@edwardr5793]

nope, see American Conquest, Boxing insurrection, average Colonialism musket against natives

[@guerrilla118]

Im absolutely hooked on these videos

[@tatilla933]

Level 3 conscripts : A force of nature.

[@skyacaniadev2229]

conscript is used a lot in pro games (not as often as the basic tanks still), GI is rarely used in pro games unless you are playing America (free GI paratrooper).

[@MagpieMew]

As it is quite hard to micro

[@lukemorgan6166]

Who cares about those sweat Lords

[@bobcostas6272]

It makes sense that “elite”/veteran conscripts would be much better than veteran GIs with the 2:1 ratio. Think of it this way, an American GI’s base training is way better than the Soviet Conscripts. The American GI starts as a 1 and develops into a 2 as a veteran. The Conscript starts as a .5 and becomes a 1.5. You can see this clearly in the vet on vet fights.

[@David-iy1zt]

That if the GIs only bunker down after receiving a bullet?

[@acktiongaming698]

I’ve always had this question. If they’re shooting ppsh weapons. Why do they sound like AKs?

[@PrinceM3R0]

I guess you have to try flame thrower 😂😂

[@mactavish2401]

Conscript: for home country, Urraaa!!!! G.I: light em up boys.

[@nguyenduythang7598]

conscripts is tough and cheap but got outperformed by other troops but for their low training cost you can train more of them to deal with that disadvantage

[@sonofsanguinius176]

Dude you should make it more balanced, like how the GIs march and THEN change to bunker mode because this is kinda unfair how they are just hunkered down and the concripts come in

[@richardgaldos6901]

But that would ruin the test. The strength of the GI is their boosted stats while in bunker mode. If you deprive them of that stat its not a fair test. I guess he could have done a "Control test" of the GIs attacking and not using their bunker at all but really the question people would be interested is this version.

[@gianlozano102]

Back in the day I used to spam a lot of conscripts, charge them and then play the USSR anthem

[@re4ct956]

its all about how stack and shooting range. Deployed were more range if they low rank, and if they high rank conscripts were more walking speed so more stack during battle.

[@hadinapokalix7329]

i didnt know i needed to see this so badly in my life

[@Romanov117]

GI’s are defensive Units. Hence their “Dug-in” skill increases their Defense and Offensive Stats than a Conscript.

[@MrBannystar]

If I were a conscript (or a GI) I'd be hanging around at the back thinking "Fck this sht".

[@Fallen2536]

And what if GI's attack Conscrips? And they garrison themselves just as they are in range?

[@drekson23]

I dont fight conscript like power to power. I use tanks to step them. Theres another way to win efficiently.

[@NotceDragon]

Was hoping to see the gis take the attack to the conscripts. With the GIs bunkered down they'll win the majority if the fight

[@evolve117]

Shouldn't the GI move towards the soviet conscripts because to me these tests were a little rigged, with it being more favoured towards the Gi being dug in.

[@joash480]

Thats because the gi deployed are closely together thus they fite sooner and together wheres the conscripts do not

[@GhostChild808]

Feels like watching the battle of Stalingrad in COD or sumthin. XD

[@smokingcrab2290]

Was not expecting that at the very end

[@pandaprewmaster325]

In vanilla ra2 the balance was quite different the GI in deployment state won barely with 1 health left in YR the GI was buffed so that in a 1v1 against a conscript his health reaches something around Orange health I think 25% percent what I mean to say is conscripts had much better performance against GIs in vanilla RA2 the thing with the GIs is could you deploy them in the right time as GIs need a bit more care than conscripts overall the allies infantry rules supreme but the soviet infantry have some perks that gives them a chance such as conscripts being better armored than GIs and initiates allowing them to survive 1 extra hit from most things like MG defenses a pill box needs 4 shots to kill a conscript but needs 3 for a GI or an initiate.

[@VC_JohnCarloElijahPCasis]

Anyone know the song used in this vid? Thanks!

[@caleb9231]

What is the song name?

[@omarmohamedfarouk3306]

Why you making the gi's sitting?

[@jrdsm]

Rip to those poor conscript, thank you for your service

[@ZloyDivan]

Как сказал 17 король Рохана Теоден: на смеееерть!

[@ДмитрийЕвдоченко-у8с]

СМЕЕЕЕРТЬ!!!

[@gus_abreu]

Hell Yeah the conscripts win!

[@JaeleaL]

Максимально эпично!

[@MortSalazar]

That's a nice balance you've got there Would be a shame if someone added an expansion with third faction to off balance both previous ones

[@macdjord]

Charging conscripts vs. sandbagged machine guns? I think WWI resolved that question pretty definitively.

[@hector_campus]

Aahhh dang, the ending could be more epic if conscript make victory pose..

[@pilgrimwFMJ]

You should never underestimate deployed GIs!

[@wednesdaygaming1]

nope when you facing Yuri with the Gen Mutator

[@dieuwtjin]

Do conscripts just get higher stat bonuses than the GI's with experience?

[@pinkafboi2525]

Imagine playing this video on speakers beside your grandpa who was a veteran.

[@sweetcandysugaarmy8480]

An American or Soviet Veteran? 😜

[@TheYohan1989]

how to test units like these? what software do u use?

[@lorelei9884]

It's the game itself. He just used custom map

[@TheYohan1989]

@@lorelei9884 do you know how to use custom map? .

[@MrNone-d5s]

Human wave tactics! At some point the cheaper unit will catch up

[@marcuscarana9240]

I know this is because it's a video game. But it's kinda funny they just vanish out of existence after being shot. Like imagine if that's what actually happens in real life. Where people suddenly vanish after being shot.

[@lordvader4089]

The conscripts whole "thing"is success through numbers.

[@niki8280]

Korean War. Colorised. Circa 1952

[@TheWonderer888]

Чего еще ожидать, если советская собака стоит как 2 призывника.

[@cat-.-]

a wise elite conscript once said: beware of old men in a line of work where men usually die young

[@del9896]

Довольнотоки интересно, удачи тебе

[@acefreak9561]

I completed the entire allied campaign basically with GI spam whenever I could it was the Soviet campaign the really made me think army comps

[@ddoublejentertainment6415]

We serve Glorious Union 🍹😏💯😎🥃 I could play this hold day 😁

[@xfineas]

how can i play the game? where can I find it?

[@ilikepiedontu]

Those promotions matter 😂

[@hallyuotaku2777]

when I play RA2 back then I always play as allied, mostly America just because of GI. they are OP if stack and put side by side together. 2 airborne units can destroy a whole AI base

[@TannerWilliam07]

That's interesting, more soviets, more chance of survival and winning

[@kaizen-_]

Böyle bir video çekmek kimin aklına geldi? Mükemmel 👍

[@tentcimapich3462]

นี่มันสงครามทหารราบระหว่างAlliedกับSoviet

[@karlk7070]

Any not dugged version?

[@liammeech3702]

Why does the conscript look like a scarecrow

[@viscourtroy]

Formation is the factor to affect the rate of survive.

[@黄辰旭]

Soviet has Cloning Vats, you should double the conscripts amount.

[@Nox_Lunatera]

honestly though, dug in GIs are REALLY STRONG

[@ReapingRose115]

While mediocre in terms of overall damage output, there's only so many conscripts you can kill in the swarm...

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

Conscript reporting for duty.

[@firdaushusin4909]

This video show us why the 1st Soviet mission in RA2 you only need conscripts to win the war. You need a lot of them. Unit you were given Rhinos later... then you dont care about the conscripts.

[@ФомаФиллипов-я5б]

Whoa footage of Bakhmut, very nice

[@emmanuelquerol]

The smell of gunpowder all over the place.

[@daveharris5914]

so basically, you throw a massive wave of veteran soldiers just like in world war 2 and you'll win

[@KasumiRINA]

That's a myth. WW2 was won with US logistics and British intelligence helping Soviet army which was mostly Ukrainian Front with some Belarusian units and other Soviet peoples in the mix. It's impossible to defeat Ukraine armed with American lend-lease. Hitler made a fatal mistake of invading it.