CONSPIRACIES of The Elder Scrolls | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #92

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[@thorsday121]

"THEY'RE PUTTING POTIONS IN THE WATER TO TURN THE FREAKIN' GUARS GAY!!!!!" - Alexios Jonesius

[@RealUlrichLeland]

@@davidurban7346 If only you were Thane they might have let you off lol. Jk I hope you have a chill time in jail, Bethesda games sound like a good way to spend your time in there.

[@big_sk4ian424]

Thou art mad

[@wickedcrayon6022]

😂

[@Dan-B]

There needs to be a random encounter in the wild, with a conspiracy theorist by that name in ES6

[@just_addd_water_to_your_ramen]

@@Dan-B conspiracy theorist? Alex Jones? In my opinion he was far too mild because in reality there was a study done in the US where they were making the frogs trans

[@badluck5647]

Conspiracy: The Underforge is the orginal forge built by Hircine to support Lorkh (Lorkhan) and the wandering Ehlnofey during the war against Auri-El and the Old Ehlnofey. Kyne (The Hawk) and her followers build a monument, the Skyforge, over this structure to cover up Hircine and his followers' contributions to the war.

[@damyenhockman5440]

Hermaeus Mora the mudcrab was not a serious theory, I was trying to think of the most absurd thing I could that still had evidence. Glad you guys got a laugh from it.

[@badluck5647]

It was still better than 90% of the nonsensical theories that people suggest -- especially the dwemer theories.

[@HHLucifer666]

I like the idea that Hermaeus Mora was actually a Dreg before he was Hermaeus Mora. Rather than a mudcrab, a dreg actually makes sense because I'm pretty sure you meet them (the dregs) in Morrowind, and they have a sort of octopoidal/crustacean appearance. I've never actually played morrowind so I can't say for sure on anything

[@RealUlrichLeland]

Theory: The first human settlers of tamriel didn't sail from atmora, they walked. The thawed out mammoth carcass in Winterhold shows that the province is going through a period of warming, and in previous games the entirety of Skyrim was said to be snowy but now it is only year round in the north. It's not unreasonable to assume that once the sea of ghosts was entirely frozen over, and this may have only ended due to seismic activity or heat from the red mountain over thousands of years but at an accelerated pace since the red year. The reason the cliffs of winterhold eroded so fast during the great collapse was probably because the permafrost and glacier had been thawing for centuries. Or perhaps tamriel and atmora were only linked by seasonal sea ice like the Arctic, that bridged the gap between atmora-roscrea and solstheim-skyrim peninsulas that have since eroded into islands. This may have been why the Kamal invaded Skyrim, because very long ago Akavir had links to Skyrim via a giant ice sheet. Also, the reason the skaal religion likely became so culturally distinct from the other Nordic religions was because when the ice sheet retreated they would have been isolated for millennia, until new waves of atmorans arrived by ship. Maybe something similar was the case for the Nedes.

[@frankly9054]

This also tracks with my theory that Solstheim was connected to the Tamrielic mainland (only to be severed by Miraak and Vahlok) by an ice bridge

[@HickoryDickory86]

Plus, it has been over 200 years since the previous games. A climate can and will change in that amount of time, sometimes many times over depending on weather patterns and other factors.

[@andrewcody2181]

The accounts of yskemor says they sailed

[@ShadowMage]

@@andrewcody2181 That could be another case of an unreliable narrator as has occurred in the game before through various in game books.

[@RealUlrichLeland]

@@andrewcody2181 Yeah, but my idea is that humans first walked over long before ysgramor arrived. There's quite a lot of precedent for that idea. Fuxgemuppet did a video on how the Nedes may have always lived on tamriel before anyone came from atmora, maybe instead they did come from atmora but much earlier than ysgramor. Also, ysgramor only arrived after the city of Sarthal was destroyed by the falmer, so they obviously weren't the first to arrive.

[@Ara-mz3nt]

"So Adam West Is a Shezarrine." Best quote ever.

[@badluck5647]

Conspiracy: During the goblin podcast, Drew promised that he would do a goblin freestyle rap in the future, but I believe he never actually planned to keep that promise. kzbin.info/www/bejne/inS3l2V-rbJ4b9U

[@garrettfilip4108]

BOOM!!! 💥🤯💥

[@JerichoJulius0]

Man, you are relentless, I appreciate it. 😂

[@badluck5647]

@@JerichoJulius0 Promises should be kept!

[@Mahmas]

YES YES YES

[@trevinwhiteley2730]

I was thinking the same thing when he said that, at first I was disappointed but then I thought: maybe we should keep some mysteries unsolved

[@krabe1629]

Theory, konarik belonged to ysgramor. When he migrated, nords were still under the dragons, and as powerful and influential a figure he was, it stands to reason he’d get the recognition of the dragons. As well as this, Konarik means destroyer, and ysgramor destroyed the snow elves

[@RealUlrichLeland]

Conspiracy: Delphine is working with the thalmor. She forces you to kill paarthurnax, because he is the stone of the snow tower, and thereby she makes the dragonborn deactivate the throat of the world. While Esbern has been hiding in a bunker in the sewers for decades and has barely escaped detection by the thalmor (until the diplomatic immunity quest), Delphine has apparently managed to hide from them just by owning a pub in a quiet village. The thalmor dossier on her would seem to prove her innocence, except Delphine orders you to break in and look for the dossiers. That quest is fairly pointless for the plot, unless you consider that she was trying to earn your trust by having you find the dossier she got the thalmor to write on herself. The thalmor knew from the book of the dragonborn prophesy that a dragonborn was due, and they knew that only they could reach the throat of the world and kill paarthurnax. Delphine was an ex-blade turned thalmor informant who was assigned to recruit you after she sees you killed Mirmulnir. Any thalmor soldiers you kill in the main quest are seen as expendable by the thalmor leadership as they can't risk sharing the plan with them. Elenwen is likely one of the only people in Skyrim who know this plan, maybe Ancano but he decides to kill you after getting the eye of magnus. The reason I think paarhturnax is the stone of the snow tower is that has been at the apex of that mountain for thousands of years disseminating power and weather, so it makes much more sense that he's the stone than the commonly accepted idea that it's a magical cave.

[@nigelthornberry3568]

Always thought delphine was shady, her cover was terrible, Caius was a literal skooma addict as cover.

[@vivecthepoet36]

@@nigelthornberry3568 Caius was basically just Rust Cohle from True Detective, change my mind

[@nigelthornberry3568]

@@vivecthepoet36 Morrowind came out in 2002, True Detective in 2014...maybe Rust was just Caius after he got off the hooch

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

I don't even care about any hole this theory might present, I like the idea and will incorporate it as a possibility into my ES theory crafting. She's terrible from start to finish, pushy and disobedient, manipulative and inconsistent in her goals vs. action, obviously willful and contrary to the Blades' ethos. She's either a _terrible_ Blades agent, telling you, the literal person she's supposed to protect above all else, or has a goal outside of the Blades. I fully think if Delphine wasn't there, Esbern would willingly accept your resistance to killing Party Snacks as law.

[@georgemurdock7670]

You kill thalmor together with delphine, or on order of her. If the whole thing in the embassy and sewer would have been staged, all thalmor agents would have been kajiit or bosmer, not altmer.

[@thalmoragent9344]

*"Ah yes, another Podcast gifted to us by the mighty Fudgemuppet Tribunal. Admittedly, we here at the Embassy had begun to worry something tragic had happened. Understandably, Dwemeri Tonal mechanisms can be difficult at times to properly moderate"*

[@benjaminhoover8524]

This

[@dpolanski4143]

Conspiracy: Thalmor Agent is actually a member of Fudgemuppet Tribunal in disguise.

[@sheogoraththedaedricprince9675]

All they needed was some fine cheese 🧀 to properly motivate them.

[@futurewario9591]

Don't you mean The Powerpuff Muppets 😂😂😂?

[@sheogoraththedaedricprince9675]

@@futurewario9591 I hear the power puffs had a sister. I suppose in the fudge version that would be camel 🐪.

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

"But Todd Howard accidentally added a secret ingredient to the mixture.....Chemical F! And the FudgeMuppet Boys were born!! Blossom, Bubbles, and Michael!!"

[@CainTheMain]

The Fudgy Mupp Boyz

[@cyrenanorris5397]

In the end of the Powerpuff Girls series, Mojo Jojo creates the Rowdyruff Boys as evil counterparts to the Powerpuff Girls, which just makes what you just said even funnier.

[@AnnoMizuki]

I’m done😂😂😂

[@Wired_User]

Blossom, Bubbles, and Michael? Why’d you gotta do Michael like that XD

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

@@Wired_User Because he seems like the one that would refuse to go by the powerpuff name. "Naw. Im not gunna call myself Buttercup. Fuck that."

[@humbleherald2163]

Nothing brightens a Morndas morning like the Holy Tribunal dropping a theory podcast.

[@emilydefrances5981]

Scott’s tangents were both fascinating AND relevant! I don’t mind tangents!!!

[@badluck5647]

Conspiracy: When Astrid tells you to guess who in the room has a hit on them, none of the blindfolded prisoners are the right choice . Astrid is the only one in the room that had the Black Sacrament used to request their death. She confirms you made the right choice by saying "Well done" when you kill her.

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

Yup, I was so offended the first time she kidnapped me, I killed her, lol!

[@JerichoJulius0]

I think her 'well done' is just a form of respect. Murder, even killing a dark brethren, appeases Sithis.

[@NPazable]

Or it's you seeing as before joining you can encounter an assassin with a contract on you at any given moment

[@_peepee_]

yeah thats a fudgemuppet video

[@SirDankleberry]

Nah I think they're all guilty.

[@fresh2182]

You guys HAVE to bring Drew back! The three of you are AMAZING together, and I miss your podcasts a ton!!!

[@toeray5864]

Addendum to the Night Mother theory: The Champion of Cyrodiil becomes Listener and never "dies" since they end up mantling Sheogoroth at the end of their story. The Night Mother finds it inappropriate to contact a new Listener while the current one lives. She either chooses a new one because the guild is in such dire straits or (if the NM is Mephala) she recognizes the CoC as Sheo and is no longer able to do the job.

[@RealUlrichLeland]

Incomplete theory: I'd just like to point out the suspicious overlap in the dates of the disappearance of the dwemer (≈1E700) and the extinction of the left-handed elves (pre 1E792). Knowing that the dwarves settled at least as far west as stros mkai and had airships, who's to say they didn't travel to/come from yokuda and maybe the two events could be linked. The disappearance of the Dwarves is known to have taken place in roughly 1E700. The the continent of Yokuda is known to have largely finished sinking by 1E792 which is the absolute latest that the sinistral elves could have survived as they are said to have been made extinct by the redguards in the wars that ultimately destroyed the continent. These dates are very close, even closer if you assume an error in the historical dates, and perhaps identical if you consider that the disappearance of the dwemer could have taken decades as said by Calcelmo below. "There is simply no proof to dispute the theory that perhaps the dwarves disappeared from Tamriel gradually over the course of several years or indeed several decades." Dwarves v3.

[@funny5678910]

Following from the idea about the dwemer and the falmer, I think that the idea was not to defy the gods, but to test a theory they had. The snow elves worship the gods, in elder scrolls we know that belief shapes the gods. The dwemer mutated the snow elves into falmer to find out what the transformation of their worshippers would do to a god, or to attempt(maybe succesfully) to alter the gods the falmer used to worship in some way. What they were testing or trying to do I can't say, but this seems more in line with what we know of the dwemer.

[@breathofdifferentair1950]

Interesting! I like this idea. Hopefully the truth is as Interesting as this comment

[@JoeyKane7]

This makes good sense. With how belief works in TES, they were probably trying to prove that gods were just beings to aspire towards and not actually divine/special inherently. If a god loses its worship and effectively dies out, but logic and reason cannot be wiped out, then the Dwemer would have means to justify their philosophy

[@breathofdifferentair1950]

@@JoeyKane7 hey quick question. The dwarves were logic driven and not interested in the gods. Why did they not support jigillag (spelling? Sorry he the logical God, the opposite of sheogorath). Is it possible that their disappearing occurs in relation, or vice versa. Did jygillag dissappear bc the dwarves who loved him are gone? So many possibilities.

[@JoeyKane7]

@@breathofdifferentair1950 This is never explicitly mentioned, to my knowledge, but it also makes sense. Could be that when the Dwemer disappeared, Jyggalag was weakened enough that the other Daedra were able to curse him into Sheo effectively. Or it could be completely unrelated and the Dwemer may have viewed Jyggalag as a smart being, but never worshipped him as they didn’t believe in divinity

[@funny5678910]

@@breathofdifferentair1950 they were interested in the gods but didn't believe they were worthy of worship, they believed the gods were just powerful spirits, not really gods at all. So worshipping any God wouldn't be consistent, even if it aligns with their ideals somewhat.

[@Mooinator3000]

Conspiracy: Nerevar's death was an inside job, the tribunal were the ones that killed him so that they could become gods. Not sure if this one has been really brought up before, but there's some stuff in Morrowind as well as some messages in the 36 lessons of vivec that make me think that I'm really onto something big here

[@XenohGG]

Careful outlander, ALMSIVI has agents in these comments

[@badluck5647]

This is *The* Elder Scrolls conspiracy --along with the The Arcturian Heresy.

[@ryanmoran8787]

Isn’t this straight up implied by an in-game book? I forget which one, but I was reading through a bunch of the red mountain related books a few weeks ago. It turns Dagoth into a really tragic figure too.

[@AnnoMizuki]

IRL History constantly repeats itself, so the predictably possible parallels between Oblivion & reality are truly a double-edged sword 🥲

[@leobaron9417]

This is basically the official lore, the tribunal did in fact betray nerevar

[@RealUlrichLeland]

Conspiracy: The stormcloaks were the ones who attempted to reanimate Potema in Skyrim, lead by the Windhelm court wizard Wuunfurth the unliving. As the last "surviving" direct descendent of Tiber Septim, Potema has the strongest claim to the throne of the empire. In the pocket guide to the empire third edition it states that "There is a strong underground movement called the Horme that believes Potema and her deposed son of Uriel III to be the last of Tiber Septim's true blood and under that principle lead raids against Imperial interests in the province." In the fourth era this group must be even more dissatisfied with the Mede dynasty of emperors that have no relation to Tiber Septim. Being so devoted to Talos this group almost certainly aligned with the stormcloaks. This would also explain why Ulfric has a court wizard when he has a disdain for magic, and why his name is Wuunfurth the unliving. Wuunfurth is obviously a necromancer as he recognises the necromancer amulet in the blood on the ice quest. Wuunfurth is likely the leader of the Horne and orchestrated the plot to revive Potema, and Ulfric keeps him around as an uneasy ally. I just thought of this myself but I can't remember if someone's already mentioned something similar, sorry if so, I'm not trying to steal credit.

[@badluck5647]

I find it unlikely that Ulfric would be involved in the plot because it could stand in the way of his personal ambition to be High King of Skyrim.

[@ollyjones9153]

@@badluck5647 he does allow the moot to decide who will be the next ruler at the end of the Stormcloack questlike, so I do think his main aspiration is truly independence and legal talos worship, not just leadership.

[@badluck5647]

@@ollyjones9153 Ulfric only allows the moot *after* crushing the opposition. If there was a chance he would lose, then he would have not have called one.

[@soarvivalist]

@@badluck5647 The only people Ulfric crushed are the imperials, the moot can still choose any jarl.

[@badluck5647]

@@soarvivalist He replaced all the pro-Imperial Jarls with his allies. He rigged the vote. Plus, any rival will be challenged to a duel and murdered with his Thu'um.

[@patrickfields1640]

Conspiracy #1: Nazeem is annoying on purpose so the Dragonborn will get angry in public and embarrass himself, thus eliminating Nazeem’s competition.

[@elgatto3133]

Unfortunately for nazeem murder only costs 1000g

[@blarfroer8066]

did anyone leave Nazeem alive? I usually hit him with Soul Tear.

[@clockwork8968]

Also eliminating Nazeem in the process.

[@the_corvid97]

So the Draco Malfoy approach? I can see that.

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

WABBAJACK

[@evanthompson7494]

Theory: Blackreach extends far beyond Skyrim into Morrowind and Hammerfell and all the lands the Dwemer lived. That's why the Dwemer were able to spread over such a wide area without influencing Tamrielic history. They constructed their cities underground and built them up to the surface. That would also explain how the Rourkan Clan were able to travel across the continent unmolested by the Elf hating Alessians or Nords. They were literally traveling under their noses. This includes the Dwemer ruins in the Wrothgar Mountains from ESO and might explain why Gortwog gro-Nagorm the King of Orsinium in the 3rd Era held the title Warlord of the Subterranean Realms (hmm another Orc-Dwemer connection?)

[@Sinuev1]

Huh, I always figured that the reason why the Dwemer blinded the Falmer was because they were doing experiments on them that had to do with Tonal Architecture. Something about being blind heightens the other senses, and so blinding a race and then experimenting on them might yield different results as they're more capable of subtle tuning that creatures who were primarily still vision based wouldn't pick up on as easily. They wouldn't want to experiment on members of their own race if at all possible, surely, and having an unlimited supply of test subjects would be worth the effort of enslaving their entire race.

[@GeorgiannaMiller5]

One of my favorite Falmer theories is that they went blind because they were used to read Elder Scrolls

[@McTwistyFlop1]

CONSPIRACY: the entirety of the dwarven race ascended into a collective conscience of Zenithar. A god of craftsman, logic and trade with incredibly mysterious origins.

[@kgraves119]

Ooo!

[@smuggrog9821]

Hircine played a role in the creation of minotaurs and is the father of Morihaus. Hircine is the Father of Manbeasts which probably includes minotaurs and centaurs and not just lycanthropes. We also see a lot Hircine veneration among the minotaurs with Domihaus being the only minotaur we see that has the same attributes Morihaus is described having, was a champion of Hircine. Also we see two minotaurs in the Markarth dlc with one residing in the Hunters Groto which is in the Hunting Grounds and the other is a guardian of one of the Totems of Hircine. So yeah, Hircine was Kyne's rebound when Lorkh was slain by Trinimac. Which would be funny if true, since we know how much the Nords and Reachmen hate each other.

[@badluck5647]

Kyne granting Morihaus wings fits her sphere, but sending a man-beast as a champion seems out of place. A Hircine connection does make sense. However, does Hircine have to be the creator of the man-bulls to be the patron of minotaurs? Malacath is the patron of goblins without creating them. Also, what is the conspiracy?

[@smuggrog9821]

@@badluck5647 Hircine could definitely just be a patron of minotaurs with out having created them, like Malacath being a patron of Goblin-kin. The one thing that gives a little more credence to my theory though is the minotaurs race supposed decent from et'Eda, while we don't really see any divine connections with ogres or goblins. For example, Domihaus who states that "his line is unbroken" is referred to as a "favored son of the Horned Lord" which to be fair does come from a Reachmen warchief and not Domihaus himself. But him bringing up his linage, being able to create flaming wings like his winged progenitor, and him knowing the ritual to find the Blood Root Forge that was created by Hircine is pretty sus, imo. But with the connection between Kyne and Morihaus already being established in lore, it doesn't seem like a stretch to add another et'Eda to the puzzle and Hircine explains the hybrid nature of Morihaus and minotaurs, as well as there reverence for Hircine.

[@megspradlin7345]

@@badluck5647 Why are Minotaurs associated with Alessia then? I'm curious and am trying to figure out why Minotaurs=Hircine when my brain keeps trying to link them to Alessia for some reason. I may be a little too much into the skooma; but, now I want to know if it was something I imagined while stoned or if it was an actual thing. lolol

[@badluck5647]

@@megspradlin7345 The story is that Kyne sent her "son" Morihaus, the first man-bull, to assist Alessia in her rebellion. After the war, Alessia had a son with Morihaus. The son, Emperor Belharza is a minotaur and he is also likely the ancestor to the majority of minotaurs on Tamriel. Minotaurs seem to be connected to Hircine for unexplained reasons. One possible explanation is that the origin of Morihaus isn't purely a creation of Kyne, but instead his creation had contributions from Hircine. Maybe Kyne is the mother, while Hircine is the father.

[@megspradlin7345]

@@badluck5647 ...That would honestly explain alot, re: Morihaus' parentage. Thanks for the clarification!

[@achristiananarchist2509]

So reading the full story on this "Foxes lead you to treasure" thing, it's pretty interesting, and while it's possible that you could get led to treasure by a fox, being led into a dangerous combat encounter is actually just as likely. Basically it comes down to the "navmesh" that they overlay on top of the map to tell the AI where to go and where not to go. The fox wants to run some specific number of triangles away, and will seek out areas with higher numbers of smaller triangles in order to make it easier to close that distance. Since big, open spaces don't require a lot of navmesh detail, and so have small numbers of very big triangles, and more cluttered spaces like treasure hoards and enemy encampments need to have lots of detail, and so lots of little navmesh triangles, foxes will hightail it toward these locations if you get too close. So yeah, a fox might lead you to loot, or into the middle of a Hagraven coven. If I were to try to headcanon this into some sort of behavior for Skyrim's foxes, I'd say all it wants to do is get out of the open so it will go to anywhere "crowded". Edit: So, thinking about it, I think I have a cooler headcanon for this. So the fox is basically fleeing from wide open spaces into, well, anything, caves, treasure hoards, camps containing dangerous monsters, whatever, just to get out of these wide open spaces. So the fox is not only really, really scared of you, more than the hagravens or trolls or giants or whatever it is going to lead you into, but it's also acting sort of like you are an areal predator, like it needs to get out of the open and into clutter to escape you. Maybe the fox is sensing your dragonborneness and instinctively responding to you as if you are dragon. Fun way to interpret a pathfinding glitch. I also wonder how many other animals do this. Like, if it's just a glitch in the way fleeing works, then, theoretically, any skittish, non-aggressive animal that flees from you should be able to do the same thing. I wonder if deer also lead you to treasure if you follow them...

[@SwooshJush83]

Ghost of Tsushima took that to another level lmao

[@achristiananarchist2509]

@@SwooshJush83 Haha yeah I think in Ghost of Tsushima it was something the foxes were actually programmed to do. Here it's just a glitch that arose from unforseen interactions in pathfinding mechanics. All they wanted the fox to do was run away from you, but because of the way they programmed the fox to judge distance (number of triangles rather than real distance) it basically thinks it "runs faster" in crowded areas. Same basic effect, but one is an intended mechanic whereas the other is just a fortunate glitch, or, as Todd Howard would say, a feature...so I guess they are the same. 🤔

[@aceundead4750]

From my experience deer and goats dont lead to treasure, especially the goats. More often than not a goat will lead you off a cliff ledge. I spent a lot of time slaughtering the animals to get hides to work on my smithing and armorer skills.

[@graylyhen9490]

The foxes helping you is real

[@oaktree149]

I Think the Entire Province of Black Marsh is a Defense System Put in Place by the Hist Via Some Bizarre Terraforming Process. Adding to that I Also Think the Hist is Tamriel’s Biggest Security Risk, because it’s been Shown that if they Feel Threatened they can Produce the Single Strongest Military of all of Tamriel. So if those Trees Feel Antsy and Feel Like the Other Provinces are Getting Ballsy, I Don’t Think the Thalmor and the Empire Combined Could Realistically Stop them

[@superheriber27]

First Podcast I've ever watched on its entirety, you guys are fun

[@cakammanable]

The foxes do not lead you to treasure, they run around randomly and happen to stumble onto things while running from the player😂😂😂

[@davidjenkins7525]

I also listen to these at work, I’m overnight so I can listen you you guys for literally my full shift lol

[@heckpeanuts]

I always thought that the Dwemer just jumped on the opportunity to take out the falmer! Could be based on some pre-human beef

[@TheGabrielryu]

Conspiracy: Divayth Fyr wants to create an immortal community In morrowind when we get corprus and go talk to Fyr, he says multiple times how interested he's about the divine disease, saying that it could be a great blessing, if only he could take out the negative effects, the funny thing is, at no time he tries to create a real cure to corprus (that being possible or not, isn't strange how he doesn't even try?) he's really just trying to take out the negatives like he did with the player, Fyr being the immortal guy who created daughters out of his own flesh just to have some company, it would make sense that his corprisarium is just a way for him to test his ""cure"", with the true intent to make his patients sane and immortal like the nerevarine, including yargrum of course, and then running a immortal community, something like most telvanni towns we see in morrowind, but with only immortal residents, thus freeing Fyr from his implied loneliness, if he succeeds or not is unknown, but he's had more than 200 years by the time of Skyrim (and yes, the ""cure"" is only supposed to work with the nerevarine, but already having something that works with one person, is a great start to a continuous research, even more when you and all your patients live forever, so you really don't have any time constraints)

[@derskalde4973]

1:01:47 min That's actually a thing, you know. Back in the day, they actually just dug up really deep cellars and stored big chunks of ice in there. Due to being underground, it was isolated enough, that it pretty much was a big freezing chamber. If i remember correctly, you can have a look into such an ice cellar in the Baroque Castle in Ludwigsburg, Germany, through a ceiling window. Of course they don't store ice in there any more, but I think they said, that this cellar was only refilled with ice during winter, and would then be enough for the entire year. I think they even had a guard stationed at this cellar, so the ice wouldn't be stolen.

[@darthtitteous1215]

The fox thing is so weird. It always worked for me, but like they’d lead me to quest markers and stuff. It is REAL.

[@connorbarton4308]

Theory - arngeir got kicked out while the silver hand was still part of the companions

[@dawnbun]

I do feel like it is important to incorporate the events of The Elder Scrolls Legends when talking about the fall of the Dark Brotherhood

[@divozo4424]

42:02 Michael, It is widely considered that Sun Tzu was not one man, but many generals and warlords sharing intelligence

[@vanitysfire]

Mikolath, Scottrath, and Mehrunes Drewgon: The Ruffian Lore Boys.

[@DanteFahr]

I could honestly believe that Dark Brotherhood theory, not that the Night Mother orchestrated the downfall of the Brotherhood but that she silently watched it decline as it became more of a guild of assassins more interested in money than a cult of assassins devoted to Sithis.

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

To build on the "This was the Night Mother's Will" theory to make it a bit stronger: If we accept that the Night Mother and Maphala are one and the same, it actually makes more sense she would begin to par down the Dark Brotherhood. It relates to the Morag Tong's decline. For every arm that was cut off the Morag Tong, she would have taken one from the Dark Brotherhood. And in turn, the Morag Tong was in equal parts restricted. She needs them to be equal to sustain her web of influences over these groups. If one actually gets the upper hand, she can no longer have control over how she is perceived- either she is Maphala or she is the Night Mother and she is changed to that specific belief. The point wasn't to maintain a powerful presence, she already has that, the point was to have _control_ of herself. All of the manipulation she lords over suggests she's after image control. Every killing she accepts, every order she gives is in service to crafting her persona via her servants, and less about reveling in the forces she governs over.

[@jasonnikolauk4204]

Restoration is looked down upon as a game mechanic because if it were fully developed its potential is game breaking. That being said it would be cool if in future games you could heal/repair amputations with associated debuffs prior to healing. (And attach the lore on the associated spell to Collette as a type of vindication)

[@Just_Shadai]

is there anywhere to find the list of mods you guys use? i'd love to use the ones specifically for the deathweaver play through it all looks clean and amazing!

[@BoldCaster]

That feel when you get TWO conspiracies featured in one podcast 🤙😎

[@frankthatank4900]

Based.

[@itsgiorno2311]

LMAO!!! Love the response Michael! you mentioning my comment hit me like a truck! Love you dude! been watching you guys for a few years now so that was really awesome to hear from my favorite channel, you guys are the best!

[@christopherdukett4158]

In regards to restoration, Camelworks did a video on the Augur of Dunlain, where he delves into who the Augur is and was. What ties restoration in, is how he describes that school as being secretly the most powerful school as the Augur was a reachman who got his resto skill up so high that he was able to transcend the mortal life. Interesting stuff if you have the time to watch it.

[@maxrander0101]

what the elder scrolls have as restoration is just what is holy magic in other fantasy worlds like healing is a form of holy magic in D&D but can be learned by a few of the classes but is mainly seen with clerics

[@neckbeardedmorlock9258]

Conspirecy: aldmeri fire cant melt Nordic icebergs because of how cold and dense they are so the thalmor can't invade over water it would have to be on land.

[@eyesack6845]

That doesn't really make any sense. There are plenty of ports and docks that you don't have to carve through an iceberg to get to.

[@connorbarton4308]

I remember my first og character and I used the ohgma infinium to max him and then I somehow lost the save upon legendary skills was gutted

[@djillinc]

The orcs were mistaken for left handed elves because they dual wield. Meaning a weapon in the left hand.

[@riel7387]

My conspiracy theory is that Mora was trying to make you achieve CHIM or Zero-sum so he could witness how it works since gods can't achieve CHIM. Basically the conflict between Miraak and the Dragonborn is a enantiomorph which is one of the ways CHIM can be achieved. Usually when it happens there are 3 beings involved The King (Miraak) The Rebel (TLD) and The observer (Mora). The observer is the one who decides who wins they're often maimed or blinded but it's not a requirement. Then at the end the king and the rebel become a single entity which happens since you absorbed Miraak's soul as well.

[@MisterVarro]

My theory is that Ulfric got caught up in the imperial ambush at the beginning of the game on purpose. As it would have been faster and safter to go from Solitude to Windhelm by boat, it doesn't make sense to run south, unless you have a man with you that is surefooted swift and knows the woods around a small out of the way imperial outpost like Helgan. That's where Rolof comes in. The idea being they ran to Falkreath forest just fast enough for Tullius to keep up but too quick for the entire legion to move, get caught and then while everyone has eyes on Ulfric a contingent of men jump out and kill Tullius and save Ulfric. The guy who shouts at the priest was buying time for the soldiers to get in place and the stormcloaks were really quick to run to that tower. I think if Alduin hadn't come back there was a good chance for Ulfric to have won the civil war on that day and since Elenwen had to show up he would have pushed the Thalmor out of Skyrim as well. Although I admit it's a bit too big brain for Ulfric to think up and Rolof would have been sent with the rescue squad so he could guide them to the hidden cave enterance to the fort.

[@formosaetc.8024]

I actually enjoyed the tangents in this video, you three talking about elder scrolls lore or real world lore is always great.

[@hansgerman3437]

The Dawnguard of Skyrims time is actually founded by former Vigilante of Stendarr. Isran was one, as are plenty others, that simply had a falling out, with the Vigil.

[@alexsoule131]

Considering how packed Skyrim is with random chests and loot, odds are if you follow a fox long enough you will find treasure

[@timothym2011]

Its explained in Skyrim anniversary edition that the silver hand where a part of the vigilantes of stendar

[@momsaid]

My conspiracy is that Drew left the channel cause Michael wouldn’t stop blowing industrial strength cleaning solution and going on 20 minute lecture on Breton superiority

[@potandpoliticswithmr.broph1420]

Theory: The Falmer weren't blinded and rendered dumb by eating fungus, the Dwemer used them to read Elder Scrolls in their experiments that eventually create the technological means to read Elder Scrolls without sacrificing their own people. As stated with their automatons they have no need of slave labor and they easily could have created farms for beasts of the proper spirit sizes to create the necessary soul gems to power them. Not enough of a lore buff to know if there's anything tangible to this in any of the games but it struck me learning the Moth priests go blind and you'd have to have people to read an elder scrolls before you could try to create a machine to mimic it.

[@EL-sj8fh]

In the future it would be cool to have a podcast on warfare in the Elder Scrolls. Maybe not the popular battles like those covered in the Wizard and Warriors Channel, but the obscure stuff like magics, tactics, and weapons used by the races and cultures in the Elder Scrolls

[@maxrander0101]

the fox thing in skyrim is true as i was intending to hunt one kept missing due to the way the dam ranged kill cam works and had to keep chasing it and it led me straight to a random chest and a crap ton of loot i have never come across any other time while playing and in the one part of the map that nothing else is so i would of had no reason to go to the area

[@cxx23]

I'm late but: It is true that it happens but not true that it's intentional. I'll try to make this quick. Basically, foxes are coded to run away from the Dragonborn. In their code are two sort of rules that I'll sum up with example numbers to make it simple. Here they are, altered to make it less confusing: When startled 1. Run 100 polygons(the shapes that make up all 3D aspects of the game) away from the player character. 2. Do the above in as little time as possible. Now here's why they often lead you to interesting locations: Put simply, the developers use more polygons in less space in places that are meant to be explored in depth. This is because the more detail you want, the more polygons are used. So if the fox is anywhere near a place of interest, it will choose that direction because it is the quickest way to travel 100 polygons as fast as possible.

[@TheGreatAngel]

I know I mentioned this in the M'aiq is Rajhin video but I actually like that idea that instead M'aiq is actually an aspect of the godhead, like an avatar, maybe not like the godhead itself but something similar to a Shezarrine, because of how when he talks about dreams, etc. He knows about the past and the future, the fact that he knows out of universe information too and I mean the big standout point is that he's "technically" been around for thousands of years. When you think about it and I mean if you created the whole world wouldn't you want to explore it? That's really all he does

[@tt_dynomite]

Conspiracy: Sybille Stentor being a vampire isn't just a rumor to Queen the other Thanes of Solitude. They just know and cover it up for political reasons. She is actually the court wizard, her actual role goes beyond that as she helps the hold protect from lesser vampire tribes, and she also likely acts as a go-between for them and whatever vampire clan she is a part of. There is just no other way I see her being in the position she is with none of the others telling the Vigilants or the Dawnguard about her unless she is there for a greater purpose, especially since it's not really a secret that she stalks the dungeons of solitude and the other rumors that float around about her.

[@cv799]

Hey drew thats a pretty *cool* shirt you got on

[@TorvusVae]

Okay, but how much cooler would Skyrim's MQ have been if Uriel V/Tosh Raka/Alduin was the main villain? This ancient emperor who mantled the World-Eater and returns to claim his birthright and begin the new Kalpa?

[@lucasluu1919]

this podcast is great for the dept that you guys give into these elders scrools topics, like talking about real history, making that kind of connection

[@simontheblind8417]

If a dragon is a quasi-divine piece of leftover creatia shaped into living form to fill a purpose, and the dragons became too much "their own guys" and took over the joint instead of incinerating it, it kind of makes sense (in my head) that a dead or dying mortal, clinging to Mundus in the same way that a mortal can cling to a sense of identity in the face of nonexistence and become a god, might become a dragon. It could be a less potent version of the same process, or even something unintended (the same way that Dagoth Ur was unintended). The dragons that fell beneath their purpose are pretty close to what most people would recognize as demons in real-world mythology. It also bears an odd similarity to the Witch-King of Angmar in Tolkien's Middle-Earth, who -- upon being invested with too much independence by Sauron -- became both (somewhat) free-willed and vulnerable.

[@darrellmerculieffjr.9518]

Thanks!

[@FudgeMuppet]

Just saw this! Thank you!

[@maxrander0101]

the falmer being used as a source of souls works in a way if we thing of it as a constant drain of the soul over time as we know from other writings that the power source of their constructs stops if only using the original core of the construct but with the ones with soul gems not only can they be active in places far from the source of the overall power but the gems acting as a battery to boost or replace this power source is not used up like the gems are in other things thus i think they were using a really strange way of slowly draining their souls over time and this would explain why in the later eras they are like we see them in game but also why they can still craft basic weapons and armor and also use some magic as parts if their former selves are still there but due to the constant draining of their souls most are just dumb beasts that follow the others of their kind

[@MiiMagus93]

The thing is ysgramor wasn't crazed he was a father that didn't get to grieve so he instead he turned it into fury. Still shouldn't have gone overkill on the snow elves maybe just the ones responsible but here we are anyways. Lore will be lore regardless lol

[@e1123581321345589144]

42:00 Ragnar Lothbrok is such a historic legendary figure. If you look a the sources, and everyone who claims to be his son, the man should have lives almost 200 years. Also, the legend of king Artur actually originates in pre Christian Celtic mythology. I's been later adapted first by the French and later the English to better fit the realities of the medieval world.

[@caseychambers9049]

Theory Alduin was created by the gods to go start the new kalpa more or less, but his secondary duty was to go to sovngarde which is the realm where their enemy lorkhan resides to devour the mortal souls hed been collecting to form his army it could be why he feeds on their souls there, kodlak talks of gathering an army to invade the hunting grounds to rescue past harbingers maybe that's shors end goal

[@silverkleptofox]

Do we have evidence of the snow elves being fully twisted into the falmer before 711 CE? Perhaps the mystery of their twisting and the mystery of the disappearance of the Dwemer are related

[@swipestripe]

My conspiracy theory is that Drew is going to drop an ES OF account 👌👌👌

[@iradiltheskygazer7253]

Drew seems like he'd give the best hugs

[@Dinoenthusiastguy]

Scott the Podcast Eater, whose job it is to end the Kalpic Cycle

[@poknberry5795]

I thought everyone believed the Night Mother theory, it's what I always believed Astrid did not accept obedience to the Night Mother so at that point the Dark Brotherhood isn't even the Dark Brotherhood anymore, they're traitors and must be killed. That's why Astrid's death is so meaningful and cinematic compared to the others I always thought that was what the writers were trying to convey. I mean isn't this the woman who murdered her own children? Seems perfectly in character for the Night Mother to murder the guild

[@badunius_code]

59:15 That is what rituals are for

[@SmokeConsciousHipHop]

That Lygg Mah joke was fantastic

[@breathofdifferentair1950]

Can we get a theory vid on the towers? I read a comment about how other lands might have towers that haven't been discussed in game, so what if lyg has one of the towers, or akavir, or any other land I didn't mention. It seems pertinent even if not specifically mentioned in the games/books

[@tonyanthony5105]

Why am I at work on a Sunday?

[@badluck5647]

Sounds like a conspiracy

[@cxx23]

Blossom, Bubbles, and Buttercup. I'm a 30 year old man and I used to watch the fuck out of the Powerpuff Girls back in the early 2ks. It's way better than you'd think.

[@XyerDark]

Conspiracy: We all know that Talos (the god) is canonically considered a nord/atmoran, this however is a lie and even factoring in the "heretical" theory that he was a multitude of historical real people fused into one deity, the Tiber Septim aspect was in reality an Imperial. We can tell this is the case because in spite of the fact that the Septim dynasty follows for the most part his brother's descendants, and the fact that the race is always that of the mother in the Elder Scrolls universe, all the Septims depicted in the games have always been Imperial, but also shared features present in Tiber itself which was described of medium stature (unlike nords which are the tallest race of man), of dark hair (again, unlike most nords which have lighter hair), and blue eyes (which so far is the only nordic attribute), something which is present also in Uriel Septim VII and Martin Septim, which were said to be direct descendants of Talos rather than Tiber's brother. On top of that we also have the Septim (coin) and official Elder Scrolls artwork which confirm Tiber's look, and on top of that when Talos in Morrowind sends his avatar to the Nerevarine, he does so through an Imperial named Wulf. The reason he is described as Atmoran is purely to give validity to his claim as ruler of man, as Atmorans are considered the "progenitor" men in spite of evidence proving Nedic tribes being present long before the first atmorans came to cyrodiil, but it also makes the most sense when we consider that Alessia was Nedic (one of the races progenitors of Imperials) and Reman and his dynasty were also Imperial.

[@chriswilder9719]

How do you account for Bretons saying he was one of them? Or the accounts he was a Breton living near falkreath, which has been both a Nordic and imperial city, before he became a general? I agree he wasn't Nordic or Atmoran but I don't think he was imperial. Imperials don't have the same reverence for him as they do for Alessia. Him living so close to Skyrim and a lot of nords would explain why the nords identify him as one of them. It would also give them a Nordic emperor finally as all others have been imperials and a couple of reachmen. Also as a side note to the whole gender of the mother how do you explain minotaurs? That's a legit question I'm wondering if you know the answer to. I know Alessia is the mother of the first minotaur which was her son but how was he not imperial and how did he have minotaur kids if the mothers determine the race?

[@XyerDark]

@@chriswilder9719 Let me rephrase it, the god Talos was multiple people like Hjalti Early-Beard, Zurin Arctus, Wulfharth and so on, but the actual emperor was Imperial. As to why we have Bretons and Minotaurs, my guess would be that progenitor races had this ability to create mixed offspring, but this ability was somehow lost down the line or exclusive to only some races, this though is just my belief and I have nothing to prove it, as it's likely just Bethesda never implementing the feature because it'd be a nightmare. Alternatively, Alessia was able to generate a minotaur specifically because the father was a Demi-God.

[@chriswilder9719]

@@XyerDark I was trying to say that I don't believe the actual emperor was Imperial. I remember reading a book in game and it said all emperor's from him to when a dark elf was empress were Breton. I could be misremembering the book and be completely wrong I am just saying what I remember. I know the god Talos is a mixture of multiple people and the result of a dragon break. Yeah that always bothered me that they say the mothers determine the race yet have half elves and minotaurs

[@thalmoragent9344]

Yeah I have to agree. Hell, even if the Atmorans/Nords aren't progenitors of Man, it fits with the Imperial's and the Anti-Elven sentiment, since Nords came to Tamriel and.... went to war with literally every race of Mer, whether provoked or not. And since Kyne herself had either made/placed the Nords into existence, for the sole purpose of killing Old Ehlnofey/Elves, and were a race of Man that prides itself as Lorkhan's greatest followers/people. So having an Atmoran/Nord on the Throne only helps to make the whole "Empire of Man" hit harder, a race of Man that hadn't been underneath Elven kind's rule like the Nedes mostly gave been (even though the Nords had to ask the Snow Elves for refuge, but....)

[@jeremypedigo9802]

Buttercup bubbles that all I know lol

[@glassplanet5624]

Yo where’s the thumbnail from?

[@alexkibbe2792]

The fox treasure thing at 18:00 I can elaborate. The world is divided into polygons called a navmesh that AI uses to move around. This lets the ai move without needing to get to a coordinate perfect point to have 'arrived' they just get to within a given polygon on the mesh. The meshes get smaller in areas of interest for more precise ai movement. The Foxes aren't trying to get a certain distance from you they are trying to put as many meshes between you and them as they can so running to areas with smaller meshes is a faster way to 'get away' by their logic, since they can cover more meshes faster. This leads foxes to run away towards areas with smaller meshes, hence areas of interest.

[@adityanadgauda]

I remember reading about this when i was trying to learn to create mods. Literally the definition of it's not a bug it's a feature.

[@davidpurkis3067]

Fun theory what if uriel v had a whole life on akavir and his descendants built an empire there which eventually will turn up expecting to find their distant family on the ruby throne and will restore the septimus dynasty after wrecking the dominion

[@kgraves119]

I think the Falmer became as they were because they were so dependent on the light of Auriel. The Dwemer had been down there for a long time, but they could go outside if they needed to. The Falmer couldn’t for fear they’d be hunted. So! When all the Dwemer disappeared, the Falmer, in whatever state they were in at that point, took over the ruins of the Dwemer, never seeing the light again, still for fear of the Atmorans. That is fear is why they are the way they are. A punishment from Auriel for not believing

[@kgraves119]

Woof. I was very tired when I wrote this. Sorry about that.

[@yosquiggly]

I love y'alls podcasts. The videos are great and what Drew me to the channel originally. But the podcast are definitely my favorite now.

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

I would be different if the thieving natives tried to trade for the boat but no they just took off in it and they know that that food wasn't worth that boat

[@SHDUStudios]

I’m a simple man, I see a hot Bosmer and I click.

[@jessedarby2243]

hm. conspiracy theory: the dwemer and jyggalag are deeply tied together in ways that the elves were unaware of or refuse to recognize. there is no cannon evidence as far as i am aware but the dwemer worship logic and reason. what does the crystal knight represent? perhaps the dwemer worshiped jyggalag but he was then turned into sheogorath by the other deadra. thus, the dwemer losing respect for the gods as theirs had turned and been manipulated into his antithesis.

[@grilledleeks6514]

The dwemer were openly atheist were they not? They would have seen jyg as just another pretender god.

[@futurewario9591]

They do both represent a Lawful Evil.

[@lazilycatharticone4191]

This is interesting. Although while there's no direct link or evidence, there is a Dwemer temple, dedicated to a Xrib. Who could this Xrib be? Well one could say its the Falmers attempt at religious beliefs, taking over a Dwemer factory and using it as a hall of worship for their long forgotten gods. However, I believe that it may actually be a reference to the Elven god Xarxes, scribe to Auriel and loyal servant to Hermaus Mora. That is, if you take the phrase "preferred their gods of logic and reasoning" literally, instead of just taking it as an insult to their scientific endeavor. While Xarxes started out as a scribe for Auriel, documenting the Aldmer and their achievement's, the Daedric Lord Hermaeus Mora claims that he became his loyal servant, and the knowledge contained within his wife, the Ohgma Infinium, was in fact his knowledge. Perhaps the Dwemer worshipped several heretical gods of logic, such as Jyggalag, Xarxes, and Hermaeus Mora. After all they were once apart of the Great Houses of Morrowind, surely they would be no stranger to Daedra worship. This may require additional research, maybe give a reason for to make a Bard playthrough to investigate (Bard by the Morrowind class description, which is basically an adventurous historian). Perhaps another dive into Morrowind to really get a better look at the culture.

[@grilledleeks6514]

@@lazilycatharticone4191 there is several sources stating that the dwemer did not see ANY daedra as gods, not sure why you guys are pretending this isn't the case xD

[@whisperuser7323]

@@grilledleeks6514 then what were they, atheists? Also what about volundrung and spellbreaker?

[@vibjbaha]

Love these podcasts. Always play them before bed

[@domonicshackleford3908]

Don't know if this fan theory has been talked about before or not but assuming ES6 is going to be in hammerfell and 2 years after the defeat of Alduin what if you're supposed to be the Ebony warrior trying to take on the the dragonborn since skyrim is the ultimate power fantasy not even the player character in the next game as strong as they are is no match for the dragonborn

[@McHobotheBobo]

This is not, the greatest podcast in the world, no, this is a Tribute!

[@infra_r3d133]

“Be you Ayelids?!” And we said “NAY!” “We are but NORDS, (FUS-RO) DAH!”

[@nathanisamazing54]

Conspiracy: Volkihar vampires have been in charge of skyrim through Sybil stentor for the best part of a hundred years

[@deddosbizarreadventure3571]

I love the philosophical approaches and real world connections/similarities. Will always be tuning in for some lore and mind fodder!

[@Brunhaam]

52:31 Got em 😏

[@ChristmasLore]

There's one thing everyone seems to (willingly) forget: the world of the Elder Scrolls, all planes: they're not Earth. Magic exists, gods are real, they have godly powers, you meet them, sometimes they even lend you the player some of their power. So the need for "retellings" at the origins of the different myths is nothing like our history, there's no comparison valid or necessary. At all. You can compare how the gods varied through Tamriel history in their names, through the different cultures, how it all cross politnated. But the origins, opposite to Earth, are real, however they're told in the tales, through different lenses.

[@lazulenoc6863]

Here's a theory: the last Dragonborn, despite what everyone tells them, actually has no status. This is because the godhead remembers all the things that it dreamt the other dragonborns doing and, for a sick joke, thought about what if it were ridiculously high rank in every group, restoring them to their former glories and yet still taking orders unquestioningly from the leaders like a hopeless henchman. In essence, the godhead is conspiring against the dovahkiin by manipulating the NPCs of it's dream world just for kicks and giggles.

[@torreydunn2170]

Been listening for a long time, cool to get to see the faces behind some of my fave Bethesda related builds vids etc

[@christopherwichman7968]

Great War podcast?