Learning to Gunfight in VR

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[@destrierofdark_]

The magazine toss at the eight minute mark is _probably_ not a good idea in real world situations, or against other players that can see an empty mag being flung, and recognize a window of opportunity. Just a thought.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Yeah but it's sick

[@destrierofdark_]

Trying to be the cool kid in a war is gonna kill you tho.

[@destrierofdark_]

Oh, and just remember, lads and ladies: If you wanna repeat after this guy, there are two rules: 1: Toss for distance 2: If it's not into the crossfire, it doesn't count. Bonus points if you hit your enemy, double if you hit their exposed face. You better break their nose.

[@kadan_gustafson6609]

@@destrierofdark_ He's playing a video game...

[@destrierofdark_]

@@kadan_gustafson6609 I know he is, but mind that this still becomes important in multiplayer. And if there is anything offering that point of realism, clips are not tossed in the real world, but instead belted once empty.

[@minnow94]

All i could think of at 8:42 was the buddy cover training during the grenade portion of BCT. "Battle buddy, cover me while I throw my grenade!" "I got you covered battle buddy!" xD

[@rich-tp2dx]

TELL ME WHEN TO THROW MY GRENADE BATTLE BUDDY

[@dayghjfnnakninjui9909]

sarge I, I dropped my grenade...somewhere over there

[@TheLonelyViper]

There are a lot of competitive players that could learn from this

[@MrAdrien914]

Not really, competitive players use the game mechanics in the most effective ways to win, they don't care about playing realistically

[@figo3554]

I mean learning effective communication is super useful to learn at all skill levels.

[@FacelessMF]

@@MrAdrien914 in most competitive shooters, the fundamentals still apply, if your whole team has no idea how to cover eachother's flanks or blind spots, you need to have a huge skill gap to compensate for that. It happens all the time, everyone gets in a room all barrels are looking front and no one checks the corner with shotgun dude. IMO room clearing and moving together still apply in competitive shooters, they just give them fancy names like entry fragger and all that jazz.

[@AdamPoniatowski]

would love a vs match, with you against actual marines/soldiers in onward... deadpool crazy vs soldiers ;)

[@Tw33ty271]

@@MrAdrien914 pretty sure he knows that lol. He's on the #5 team in the world

[@finnpalm9951]

At 0:08 I thought you said "I'm controlled pairs and I play the most immersive tactical shooters and combat sims in the world. This is awkward."

[@figo3554]

Me: Wow! I can't wait to put these to use! Also me, 5 seconds later: Wow! I have no friends!

[@stopsign4395]

That reloading segment gave me a fond memory I’m going to gloat about. I play paintball all the time, and usually I run a mag fed mg-100 as opposed to faster shooting electrics with hoppers. Despite the name the gun I use has 10-20 rounds depending on the mag, electric players and even other mag fed players learn to listen to when a mag is out of ammo since it’s the best time to push. This concept however is so much fun to exploit. One time I was in an around 15 ft fight with someone Dumping paint at me, to the point where it didn’t matter where I peaked out if it was for a second I’d be out, after a minute of this standoff and my team winning on the opposite side of the field I assumed he was getting impatient so I decided to peak once and shoot with my mag out of my gun, yell “damn” and throw a dummy mag out of the bunker where it was just visible. Instantly I hear him spray the wall and i knew he was moving with it, I waited i tiny bit so I knew he was out of cover and sent 3 to his mask when I peaked out the opposite side, andddddddd one to his balls so I had to help him up and walk off the field to make sure he was fine. So many great non-fatal war-stories in the world of paintball XD

[@raccoonbender984]

Imagine being restricted to only 20 rounds per magazine. This post was made by the Airsoft Gang. In all seriousness though it does not matter what style you play, that is an honorable war story. Good job.

[@stopsign4395]

@@raccoonbender984 XD, thanks I’m sure you guys got some amazing stories as well. Oh wait I’m a paintballer and your an air-softer, we legally can’t respect each other. So what I meant to say was “how’s the airsoft you tubers doing? Did they get to ‘catching a cheater EP:1000”. XD, there is such a fun feud between these sports

[@raccoonbender984]

@@stopsign4395 Damn bro, why did you have to do my like that. To be honest any self respecting airsoft player refuses to watch that kind of stuff.

[@stopsign4395]

@@raccoonbender984 XD it’s the same on our side, we only watch videos by friends, maintenance videos, etc. sry for the low blow lol

[@Fluffehhamster]

Makes me want to make some onward friends

[@MourningShark5Gaming]

Makes me want to have some friends in general. Hyukin ain't that the truth.

[@mcgoozles93]

CPG discord has channels where you can meet people to squad up

[@Fluffehhamster]

@@mcgoozles93 haha yeah ive been on there for a while

[@Jeremy_M_]

Would love to see some IRL tactics videos, I think that would be really interesting to see some 1 or 2 man house clearing and some other cool similar stuff. You have a unique and easy way of explaining doctrine that's easy to digest and understand. Just joined the channel, keep up the good work pairs!

[@raccoonbender984]

Man. You out here teaching me how to play Airsoft. Definitely gonna bring this up when I go to my first local milsim next month.

[@nyoobstew1501]

0:12 "This is akward"

[@maskyboy2653]

I don’t have friends to do this with. I don’t have onward. But In Pavlov and similar games I automatically try my best to be there for team mates and give information to aid any type of battle. Especially in WWII Pavlov.

[@amsgamingandmusic]

In playing onward, I have been putting on actual gear- web gear, side arm and knife, a backpack with full weighting inside, ect. It's been super fun! I want to take time with teammates and just practice walking. Half of the team will be pushing fast, the other gets left behind, it's a mess most times. But still, those moments when we are all in sync, silently communicating while crawling through the subway rails, are magical.

[@NovaCamellia936]

Not an *actual* sidearm, right? You mean like a fake one?

[@ahandgrenade3640]

@@NovaCamellia936 if its unloaded it's fine.

[@jklappenbach]

Only thing I wish they improved on Onward: muzzle flash. I really don't ever see muzzle flashes, and only a percentage of rifles have cans. Muzzle flashes are a major reason why cover is broken and the source of a threat can be identified. But in this sim, it just doesn't stand out like it should.

[@CaptainChuck15]

That was a great video, I learned a bunch and the content was awesome.

[@rileyosborne9939]

I love your tactical approach on everything

[@TyeRan]

thank you man im start using this more often

[@cooperutley2502]

Controlled pairs is the T Rex arms of immersive combat shooters. Tactics to take gamers and move them to get real world firearms training.

[@yourlocalweebfriend3537]

Man, this is such a great video, learned a lot from you bro, thanks for the informations

[@UselessFodder]

Well thought out and delivered, as always. Great work dude!

[@brysonhinesdesigns]

Always down for more onward content, good video!

[@Gorlami14]

Awesome video dude! Just in time for VR setup to get here on Friday. Onward is definitely going to be my first purchase!

[@zacharyread5303]

I just got Onward over the weekend. This video couldn't be more perfectly timed! I love it so far! Not knowing the maps has been a hard point so far

[@lemonz6662]

Yooo u have taught me so much thank you

[@CombatMedic00]

Good stuff, Pairs. Can't wait to get home and shoot a little. Changing the configuration on one rifle and have a new one to optimize.

[@satnoanix9283]

I just bought a Valve Index which I have been wanting for so long now and it'll arrive in the coming days. Now I just found your channel and will binge watch it till I can play myself haha :D Thanks for the videos!

[@carsonquigley3658]

I love this game I’m in the league for it. Thanks for making a good video for it like this

[@gr1m375]

Excellent tips

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Thanks. Saw them in Soldier of Fortune magazine!

[@thedigitaldemon8010]

Very informative

[@GroverRover]

It honestly has made me a better shot. I don’t personally own any firearms (working on that) and historically I was so-so with rifles and abysmal with sidearms. After playing Onward for a year and going back shooting, hit 96% accuracy with rifle at 30m and 92% on at 10m with sidearms on a 4” circular plate. VR works.

[@TheButterAnvil]

That seems odd to me. The mechanics of vr shooting and regular shooting are so different. If it works for you I guess 🤷

[@ENVOY451]

@@TheButterAnvil Fundamentals of sight alignment and target acquisition are pretty similar, and while recoil isnt felt, it is simulated to a degree visually needing you to able to reacquire and place accurate follow up shots. Also depending on your playspace some body mechanics are pretty transferable as well.

[@TheButterAnvil]

@@ENVOY451 for me I feel like sight picture is a lot more precise in real life. If it works for other people, sweet. I want more people good at shooting. I just don't think it has done the same for me

[@natconn2088]

I swear no matter what kind of video controlled pairs posts it’s entertaining

[@fabianvences6004]

#5 Method and Discipline (Delegation) Excellent information you are giving to the gaming community. You might have realized this but these fundamentals/foundations are going to change video games as technology continues to improve. By seeking and implementing high standards of gunfights, you are attracting like-minded players to display unprecedented levels of play that can apply to most multiplayer games. When done correctly, it is the same essence as orchestrating a symphony. Only with a different energy. Showing players these advanced fundamentals (with practice) greatly enhance their chances of victory. I believe the REAL magic will unfold when the OPFOR displays the same high standard fundamentals all are familiar with. Great work you’re doing here, CPG.

[@TANGO-x-DOWN]

This is by far the best Onward video I have seen. There are a lot of people who could learn a a great deal from this. Was great to see you covering your angles. Much harder to do in VR. Keep it up buddy, new sub incoming. 😎👍

[@Archangelm127]

Great content! We're trying to up our CQB game (and our game generally) in Arma 3, so my unit leader is pointing us all to this vid. :)

[@chevyro9816]

So cool to see you playing Onward! For me this is the best shooter in terms of realism and just straight up tension, fear and excitement. I dont know if you have ever been into combat yourself but maybe you can share your experiences of that compared to playing this game?

[@mozz60fps2]

I would like to have a group to play with tactically because I know a little bit about CQB but every time I get in a game with people who know what they're doing I get really nervous because I'm quite young and I feel like they won't take me seriously, so I join another lobby and get paired with screaming 6 year olds (I'm on quest 2 so the little kids are abundant)

[@RinkieGeintie]

onward is crossplay so it doesnt really matter that you are on quest, still i get what you mean

[@grotteratte3247]

Yeah, I'm playing Ground Branch with some friends and we're trying to do indications and code words in breaching so that whenever we're against other players, we try to keep as much surprise as possible

[@zonkedtrippy]

I'd love to get into a squad like that where it's realistic teamplay/teamwork. I'd need to buy onward first... :(

[@g1llifer]

Onward you needs to keep coming out with different maps/modes, improved AI. Its such an amazing game that could be greatly improved with some tweaks here and there.

[@europa012]

I mainly play Valorant. I sometimes play Insurgency and other fps. Discovered CPG through DoorKickers2. I've learned a lot since. And I know Valorant is nowhere near realistic (really, it's out of the question), but I'm just saying, most of the principles that I've learned in this channel (security, communication, dynamic entry vs fighting from thresholds, proper use of utilities/handhelds, sectors of fire and a lot lot lot more) helped me climb the ranks. So thank you CPG nad community (some commenters did put some good info too)

[@tnt65822]

The title of this made me imagine Modern Warfare's gunfight mode in VR 🤤

[@marciomaia4020]

Hay bro love your style of play. I've learned alot from your videos. Any chance I can join your unit?

[@pags1231]

I hate it when I'm firing and teammates will walk in front of me instead of behind me and they end up getting shot.

[@kadan_gustafson6609]

btw the link you have for the VR rifle stock takes you to the oculus rift s amazon store page

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Dang. I'll fix it thanks.

[@egg9434]

You should try the 1.7 version of onward it has better visuals and audio and in my opinion the ai in hunt is better use 1.8 for pvp tho because you won’t find any servers on 1.7

[@davidoftheforest3822]

or a squeeze on the inside of the leg

[@DratchGarou]

Does anyone with Onward know how it handles with lag? I live in Australia and I'd be very surprised if anyone in my country was playing this, let alone enough people to get together for a match.

[@dylansvlogs6885]

If you don't mind me asking, how did you get the white glock sights on the glock?

[@mindlessmyriad]

Imagine this game with modding capability

[@ericfleming5522]

We'll all become super knowledgeable about how to assault and clear building that coincidentally look like genitals.

[@NovaCamellia936]

Obligatory algorithm comment. Love the vid!

[@BrandonApplefield]

@pairs the link for the vr rifle stock is the same as the headset...got the right link for us?

[@RedSailbeer]

What maps were you using in this? Some look custom.

[@max-cs4pz]

Was the birds eye view also from onward?

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Door Kickers 2

[@Gdonutjam]

i sent you an email, would love to connect about this exact topic for a quick convo @Controlled Pairs Gaming :)

[@stuffhappens5357]

What button do you push to automatically rack a bullet without physically pulling the slide?

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

It's the "A" button underneath the right thumb. Only possible if the bolt is locked open.

[@stuffhappens5357]

@@ControlledPairsGaming is this the button you would use on the quest? Because that’s the headset I use

[@RinkieGeintie]

@@stuffhappens5357 its a or b just try it in the shooting range

[@TipSheikh]

What game or program is used when it goes from onward to like a mobile game looking overhead game?

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

That's not a thing

[@TipSheikh]

Like at the 1minute mark?

[@Nagger666]

What's the most affordable way to get into onward/ vr in general?

[@MrAdrien914]

Oculus quest 2, 300€, if you don't have a pc you can play the quest 2 version of the game, if you have a good pc you can play pcvr wirelessly with Air Link ( free, better for Oculus games ) or virtual desktop ( 20€ but it's better for steamVR games ) or play wired with a usb-c to usb 3.0 cable ( but it's worse than wireless in every way ). The visuals for pcvr are as good as a valve index ( 1200 € )

[@TheButterAnvil]

Definitely oculus quest. Or a cv1 if you already have a gaming PC. Quest 2 is a great value though

[@MrAdrien914]

@@TheButterAnvil the quest is so much better than the cv1 for pcvr though

[@RinkieGeintie]

quest 2, but if you connect it to a pc the performance and graphics get way better

[@amsgamingandmusic]

INSTANT CLICK

[@TipSheikh]

what is at the 1:00 mark what game or program is it

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Door Kickers 2 Task Force North

[@ericfleming5522]

I still don't really like VR shooters because I'm not really moving and because I'm not really holding anything that replicates the inertia of a real weapon (which makes trying to control it feel super weird, at least to me). But on the topic of using VR to improve real-world performance, have you seen this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIvcmYSQiLl8fbM

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

I have! Most of the stuff out now is super janky. I want to change that.

[@FacelessMF]

inertia wise you might want to look into a VR gunstock, you can put some weights on it and get close to a weapon feeling it changed the whole experience for me

[@ericfleming5522]

@@FacelessMF I keep thinking I should try making one, I could even front-load some extra weight towards the "muzzle" so I'm getting a little bit of a work out at the same time. But then I'm going to look like the guy who is 3D printing a gun one piece at a time at my local library....

[@FacelessMF]

@@ericfleming5522 you might be able to retro fit a wii gun and add more weight or even destroy an airsoft

[@DNH17]

Thanks for all this vocabulary. Maybe you could have shortened to around 7 minutes, it's a suggestion. Great job there, and tahnks again.