Controversial END of Nissa and Chandra’s Relationship (Gruulfriends)

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

"Grullfriends" is such a perfect name

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

Did my comment just got pinned??? (Sorry for my sh tty english btw)

[@foyoGames]

Perfect English

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

@@foyoGames it was?

[@foyoGames]

@@Liliana_the_ghost_cat yes

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

@@foyoGames it looked kinda weird so i did that disclaimer just in case (also, i'm brazilian btw; my first language is portuguese)

[@spiritwaker9595]

So the Zendikar Rising story actually touched upon this with Nissa, with her lamenting what happened between her and Chandra, so it's implied Nissa actually still has feelings for Chandra. Meanwhile, we've had Chandra return in the comics post-War and Tibalt noting how distracted she was by guilt and hurt, so we know she is still reeling from everything herself and maybe regrets what happened. Either way, just how it went down in Forsaken was damning enough to the romantic pair Also, MTG seems to go the "Superheroes can't date" route, since Jace and Vraska also were broken up as well

[@christopherb501]

As per usual, I can trace _so_ much damage in fiction back to Didio.

[@juliahenriques210]

Wow. I never read the novel, so I had no idea that the writing was THAT bad... And I've worked for Mills & Boon, so believe me, I know a thing or two about bad writing...

[@Hakapiks42]

They were adorable together =(

[@AetherHub]

Maybe one day they’ll return

[@justiceavenger275]

@@AetherHub 1 year later... Still no sign... 😫

[@Indeside]

Yeah, not likely happening buddy

[@matthewbibby8921]

@@Indeside funny you should say that...

[@Indeside]

​@@matthewbibby8921 yeah, I didn't expect it to happen given the example above. I'm not sure it's going to lead anywhere, but at the very least they followed through. Edit: I forgot to mention Nissa's completion. That kinda put a damper on things

[@DuskSunDawn]

I thought JacexLiliana was the most controversial pair (you know, the toxic aspect of their relationship). I don't know how much famous this pair was but, in the internet I still see some people talking about NissaxChandra (fanart, fanfic, etc).

[@ethanmacleod1721]

Why would it be controversial? You hear from both their perspectives that in hindsight they knew it was toxic, so where does the controversy come in?

[@JohnDoe-vc5qb]

@@ethanmacleod1721 cus everything is controversial to basement-dwelling Twitter users.

[@mapthemultiverse]

@@ethanmacleod1721 It's because the whole thing is an abusive relationship. Lilianna toys with Jace, who (at the time) doesn't realize it's toxic. He only understands how badly Lilianna has treated him after he pairs up with Vraska who shows him kindness and respect.

[@simenbo7788]

Chandras getting a Netflix show so let’s just hope that strictly platonic shit gets retconned

[@tylerrusnak7736]

I still stand by the mostly accepted theory that this storyline was dropped to make mtg more marketable to the Chinese market, who frowns on these relationships.

[@AetherHub]

Ouchies

[@tylerrusnak7736]

@@AetherHub Indeed. Though I guess we will never know the truth. Much like the buried Theros story.

[@vaivs7903]

It's not a theory, it's fact.

[@MrTyrantSparda]

Yeah, I believe that is probably the reason they did it…

[@mothmanthe9th601]

@@vaivs7903 I heard that the publicly apologized for that so hey maybe there's still hope for the couple

[@FlorelaFTW]

Wotc: Lets ban "destroy all black creatures" card because racism. Also wotc: Chineese don't like gay people, so Chandra and Nissa no longer gay lol.

[@cosmicentitydragon2946]

Woke companies at their finest

[@Bladezeromus]

Honestly, they just need to reset Nissa again. Don't know when they decided she was gay just like I dont know when she stopped being a racist. Never cared for their relationship anyway.

[@cosmicentitydragon2946]

@@Bladezeromus she stopped hating humans during the retcons of magic origins

[@Bladezeromus]

@@cosmicentitydragon2946 Figured it was then. Guess the writers weren't good enough to figure out a good story arc.

[@Kokonutzlz]

16:55 The most plausible theory that I heard is that, with the recent push of MTG products into foreign markets (remember Jianggu and Mu Yanling?), there was a fear of having non-straight high-profile characters putting off those markets

[@Kokonutzlz]

@Doom Posterior The only confirmation would be WotC saying this themselves, which of course, nobody would admit to. This is just speculation.

[@pyredynasty]

I don't ship except for Fblthp/Wanderer.

[@AetherHub]

😍 the love story we DESERVE

[@professorokori2926]

Lol, lost together.

[@Daile0303]

Jace/Vraska: “ if you say so... ”

[@AetherHub]

Lol they could be in the running. They were such a weird ship

[@Daile0303]

@@AetherHub i mean, just because he is the living guildpact he can't get some love in his life?

[@christopherb501]

@@Daile0303 I thought that was Mizzet now.

[@ethanmacleod1721]

@@christopherb501 it is, but at the time he was with/ broke up with Liliana he was the guildpact

[@victorvaldez8869]

Gruulfriends has to be the most MtG pun I've seen in years.

[@brotquel1592]

Chandra: I'm more into the "muscle-y" type. Chandra on Dominaria, meeting Radha for the first time: O.O

[@AetherHub]

Now THERES a match lol

[@susano-ko4079]

If she likes muscles, she needs to meet up with Arlin Kord

[@brotquel1592]

@@susano-ko4079 agreed, but I'm afraid that would cross too much into furry territory... Plus, I ship Arlinn & Tolsimir... Let the wolf boi meet big wolf mama!

[@susano-ko4079]

@@brotquel1592 You say that like werewolf romance isn't a huge genre in it's own right. And since she doesn't have a hybrid form, I think it sidesteps that

[@brotquel1592]

@@susano-ko4079 fair enough

[@warlock1080]

The handling of the relationship really is odd, especially when you consider the relationship between Ral Zarek and Tomik Vrona featured in War of the Spark

[@Kokonutzlz]

Yeah... maybe it's something about Tomik being a minor character and Ral not being major himself...they're not front-and-center like Nissa or especially Chandra

[@starknight2262]

I was really hyped for war of the spark after seeing the the official trailer for it but after getting the novel and reading it i was very disappointed. The war of the spark novel was terrible in so many ways for example the characters didn't seem like themselves based on previous lore and the writing was terrible. It was Such a let down in my opinion.

[@christopherb501]

Endgame meets the GoT finale.

[@ethanmacleod1721]

I don’t know if we have vastly different standards or you just read the wrong book, because I loved that thing so much that I’ve read it thrice

[@susano-ko4079]

The War of the Spark book was good, the atftermath one should never have been released

[@ethanmacleod1721]

@@susano-ko4079 I feel some parts could have been handled better, but in all honesty I loved that one to 😅

[@EclipseWarlord]

As a standalone book, it's fine. The problem is that the characters don't act or respond properly based on established lore and how they've been portrayed previously. Kind of like Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi, but not as badly done.

[@milohobo9186]

Channel and Fireball may be an exciting start to a relationship, but you can't do it everytime things are starting to get dull in your romances.

[@geinerelizondo2019]

I don't think Chassa/Nidra are that controversial. Is much worst, by far Jace "Bad relations" Beleren! (Emmara, Liliana, Vraska.)

[@AetherHub]

Controversial in the way the relationship was handled. It caused a lot of controversy in the community

[@christopherb501]

Ooh...considering how much I don't care about Jace, and how much I _really_ hate Lukka, maybe THEY should hook up!

[@jozzyalthefool9273]

@@christopherb501 your way of thinking scares me, but the fact I like the idea scares me even more

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

In Jace’s defense, he was never “shipped” with Emmara, that was a very one sided schoolboy crush that was never going to be reciprocated. Liliana…. She found him when he was barely 19 and made herself into his dream girl to get what she wanted from him. Vraska actually taught him something about wanting to be free and being respected for himself, but their relationship was like a summer fling, which falls apart when vacation is over and everyone gets back to their lives. The fact she chose to betray him and plunge Ravnica into war is hard to overlook. Jace is a guy who really needs to be on his own for a while. Ironically enough, the telepath is the one who is clueless about relationships, and keeps winding up being used and discarded by the more forceful personalities around him. He doesn’t know the difference between a good relationship and a bad one.

[@chocolatetheeevee]

I mean the Vraska relationship wasn’t that bad

[@hollow7776]

This was honestly one of your most interesting videos (mainly because I didn’t know they were ever a thing) so keep it up!

[@mapthemultiverse]

I feel like Jace and Vraska is more controversial, simply because WOTC acts like it never happened. At least in ZR Nissa confirms that she still likes Chandra.

[@blucrustt_]

The new comics acknowledge and make Jace and Vraska's relationship a very important part in Vraska's characterization :p. She very much cares about him still and him with her.

[@AetherHub]

Sadly Chandra just only likes big muscles now

[@mapthemultiverse]

@@blucrustt_ Make no mistake- the Ixalan stories were beautiful and the Jace and Vraska relationship was a crucial part of it. It was WOTS that really ruined it, and now Wizards acts as though the whole thing hasn’t happened.

[@InkClarity]

What gets me is no, it couldn't be that Chandra was romantically attracted to Gideon's strong yet kind resolve and perseverance in the face of danger and evil. No, it was that she was ONLY ATTRACTED TO SUPER MANLY MAN MEN WITH MUSCLES AND BEARDS AND MAN THINGS AND MAN MANNESS, NOT NISSA, NOT LILIANA, NOT WOMEN, CHANDRA CAN'T BE PANSEXUAL - said whoever made that decision, tears running down their face as they furiously typed away at their keyboard between clutching their pearls

[@AS-kx5jt]

If they axed the relationship to appease the Chinese market then maybe they can revisit now. The Kaldheim story wasn't available in some parts of the world because a character is non-binary. Wizards published an article basically saying "we will write what we want now so suck it". So maybe now they can take another look at LGBTQ relationships as prominent parts of the story.

[@KnightsofGaming2016]

I'm neutral about this relationship, but I just feel that it is not presented in its best

[@AetherHub]

Hopefully if they choose to return to this relationship, the writing in general will be better

[@jogo2107]

"..while love might be able to survive a war, it can't survive retconning and terrible writing..." that cracked me up hahaha

[@SylviaMoonbeam1127]

The especially BS part is that it's implied that all the negative emotions surrounding Gideon's death and the break with Chandra is why Nissa uses black mana in Zendikar Rising. She had experimented with black mana on Lorwyn, but never formally used it in the open until ZNR. The "emo Nissa" jokes were pretty rampant for a while in my group

[@raiseer]

Also bad: The re-retconning plus re-breaking up of them during Aftermath based on the ridiculous: "Whae, you never have time for me while we're literally occupied with saving the multiverse." instead of "Now that we saved the world, let's have dinner together."

[@SlavkosTell]

I am only one to never see anything relationship material in story? If any, through every story I find them as family but never lovers.

[@matthewwasser5621]

I do remember reading somewhere that Wizards was going to explore Chandra's sexuality more in the future. Though I do not remember them saying if it will be with Nissa

[@TheHalomanification2]

Ah so thats why. Nissa felt betrayed by not only her fellow walkers but Chandra. I have had a similar situation in real life, friends were enabling another "friend" to continue to make bad choices so I left those friends because I couldn't stand for it.

[@AetherHub]

Sorry my friend :(

[@TheHalomanification2]

@@AetherHub it was long ago so its alright

[@CosmicErrata]

They sank the cutest ship with volleys of cannonballs. Such atrocity...!!

[@alfredvonfleisch]

Chandra can't be in a relationship with Nissa if you want to sell books in China.

[@sandrocamborda1086]

:(

[@danielkubicek1323]

Well I see an easy solution there! Don't sell books in a country run by an oppressive dictatorship, or more accurately, get as many copies of your book into the oppressive dictatorship and give them the finger while you're at it.

[@KitKatWiffleBallBat]

@@danielkubicek1323 I like you. 😁

[@danielkubicek1323]

@@KitKatWiffleBallBat Thanks, but it's relatively easy for me to say from a country away behind a screen. Still, every word of defiance helps I hope!

[@KitKatWiffleBallBat]

@@danielkubicek1323 Your heart is in the right place, and you clearly aren't swayed by government deceit. There is a time to speak aloud and a time to withhold information too. As far as LGBTQ+ stuff is concerned, I'm slightly more worried for those in the middle east than I am worried for those in other Asian countries. I don't believe that everyone will come around, but little by little, people surprise me. In a good way, as far as this stuff is concerned anyway.

[@crowdaddy5179]

Honestly I don’t ship in MTG but these two would be cute and I think it’s been set up well enough threw the writing

[@JimJimTheMonkey]

It feels like Chandra is attracted to power and strength. She was attracted to Nissa's worldwaking power. She was interested in Lilliana's powerful confidence. She could have been attracted to Gideon's immense strength of character. If it was explained like that in the book, it may not have been hated as much. Who knows.

[@cameronpearce5943]

I was already planning to introduce the MTG worlds to my D&D home game, and now I'm gonna be doubly sure to include these two being in lesbians with eachother.

[@Marxi-ju3et]

SAME

[@HAMPaintball]

Another great video. Curious if you have ever done one about Dihada and Dakkon?

[@russellwilliams9437]

i have only just got in to mtg and the lore with strixhaven. and this relationship sounded cool and should not have been axed like this.

[@VISUtaku]

Thanks a lot for wrapping this up 😢 I really hope wotc lore teams will do better in future lore

[@fernandobarrientos8326]

The Oblivion background music got me

[@hydraman246]

Dang mtg, where are my healthy straight ships? JacexLiliana? No, too toxic SorinxNahiri? NO! Even worse Jace x Varaska? Hmmmm, (mentally scarred human + mentally scared gorgon) f#$& it, ill try it

[@christopherb501]

Um...Raksha and Lyese? Girard and Hanna? Pia and Kiran? ...Barrin and Rayne, assuming he theorized wrong and they _didn't_ come to hook up due to Urza's meddling with the Bloodlines Project? ...I _want_ to say Serra/Feroz...?

[@hydraman246]

@@christopherb501 thank you, I've only been into mtg since There's Idk many characters

[@JohnDoe-vc5qb]

The real controversial thing is that Chandra likes Nissa to begin with. Nissa is a Garbo character, let’s never forget she’s basically a elf-eugenicist so why would she like a normal human? I still can’t believe she didn’t get clapped by Nahiri.

[@boonsaplenty3924]

Nissa pre-Origins and post-Origins are two wildly different characters. Nissa post-Origins is an awkward, somewhat antisocial, spiritual environmentalist. She's curious about planes' world souls and how life on the different planes takes form. The elf supremacy stuff is non existent now

[@ROMANTIKILLER2]

While I did not particularly cared about their relationship, just in terms of pure writing it was an embarrassing way to end it: they could have at least tried to focus more on the nature of Chandra's feelings to find a reasonable justification for her change of heart and deeper connection to Gideon, instead of that brutal "nope, liked bulky manly men all along". Oh well, I guess WotC market research showed that the Chinese market was more profitable than the woke and lgbt audience.

[@Itachi45481]

Greg wiseman is a jerk for ruining it that and the bro chad ajani moment and other characters he clearly didn't read the other material he was earning a paycheck which ruined alot of the story for me as a vorthos the timely investment was wasted now i am hesitant to read the story now and that sucks

[@susano-ko4079]

Didn't he also send a non planeswalker through the blind eternities? (I didn't read the book, returned my audible version before I started) Like, no Weatherlight, no gate, no Lazurite, just wanted to send his OC out to be in the next story

[@Sephirothstrife-yk8en]

@@susano-ko4079 rat was a character from ravnica and kaya made her ghostform extend to rat and she brought her with them and it was still very difficult

[@boonsaplenty3924]

@@susano-ko4079 To build on the other commenter's point, Greg seemed to imply this ability was a very specific interaction of Kaya's Ghostform and Rat's seemingly magical ability to go unnoticed, which was further implied to be like a "disappear" ability. Kaya can go ghost over or through Rat, who I guess "disappears" into Kaya so the Blind Eternities don't rip her apart in transit. It's not very clear, and definitely feels "convenient", but I don't 100% hate the idea of Rat so long as she actually gets a personality other than "kid" next time she shows up in the story (if ever).

Wait...wasn't Chandra in love with Gideon and his death devastated her? Not really following the story anymore since the desaster that was the war of the spark.

[@supercannonball1236]

No Chandra had a crush on Gideon at one point

okay, finished the video. didn't know the previous story bits about chandra and nissa.

[@overgrowndwarf1628]

For over a decade, Chandra was straight and all the lore and continuity was Gideon and Chandra getting together. The "big muscly men" sentiment was the oft-repeated mantra of Chandra. For about a decade she would rate and judge male level of attractiveness on how they compare to Gideon. The "Chandra is gay now" is the out-of-place piece. The "Chandra likes big, muscle-bound Men" is the in-cannon lore-accurate writing.

[@hydraman246]

I was kinda hoping since Kaladesh that Gideon would become Chandras’ Boros-friend….. 🤣 I’ll see myself out

[@hydraman246]

Seriously though, it must be because Im mostly straight cause i did not pick up on those signals at all

[@christopherb501]

What _is_ the schema for the nomenclature of MtG-ships, anyway? I suppose with "Gruulfriends" you could assume deck-type with the colors - and with yours too - but others? Even going canonically, Serra/Feroz, Taysir/Kristina, Tomik/Ral, Barrin/Rayne, Jarad/Fonn...not a lot of deck archetypes I can think of that would fit their respective ship names.

[@Nobody-xe9fc]

In the end, after New Phyrexia was phased away from the other planes, Nissa became something much more scintillating and stimulating in Chandra's life: a vegetable. :^)

[@namisue7293]

I'm brewing an Omnath locus of rage deck right now, I'm calling it Gruulfriends and dedicating to them, as a giant middle finger to wizards that I'll cherish forever

[@KnowingisHalftheBattle]

The war the spark novels need to be thrown in the garbage and disregarded as non-cannon dribble.

[@sandrocamborda1086]

Im genuinely sad this was handled so strange. I really like this relationship.

[@raydelmartinez2905]

Hopefully wizards gets the story right in the future.

[@grimtrix]

Depends on how badly then want to sell in China...

[@WizWiteKnight]

Gruulfriends is genius!

[@AetherHub]

😎

[@sortiapricefield]

If they don’t retcon the retcon with something along the lines of Chandra just saying that because she thinks Nissa deserves someone better, which would actually be totally in character, I’m going to be upset.

[@SenryW]

I had actually missed that wizards "apologized" for the poor writing. Say what you will about the NissaXChandra writing, the war of the spark writing was... honestly too bad for me to come up with a way to describe

[@juanramonalmazanrosas9158]

The red field with the yellow stars approves.

[@aedrict81]

☹️☹️☹️ Well let's hope we get a new couple then.

[@robbyjones9813]

To be honest I was not a fan of the relationship. Regardless, I don't think the writing of it was that great especially given they were building toward war of the spark which was around the corner. I also think that various outside forces is what "convinced" wizards to put it in there and others to take it out. If they do rekindle the relationship I hope they do a better job of it as while I am not a fan of it I have nothing against it either, especially if it is written well.

[@maguc7121]

I hope Wizards fixes this and makes them a couple again...

[@briannunez8041]

This pissed me off how the writing fucked up the possibility of a beautiful relationship.

[@FioreCiliegia]

Man as a writer who doesn’t play the game and hasn’t read the books… why do i feel like i could do better?

[@gothic22d]

Thanks for the lore.

[@Bunnycraft-li4os]

Them being in a relationship ruins the fantastical stories with a philosophical debate anyway.

[@Methus3lah]

They axed this relationship, but not the one between Ral and Tomik. “Mmm yes, homosexuals. You may be represented. But only in unimportant characters.”

[@TheArcSet]

Thanks for this video.

[@emanym]

Why? You know why. The changed it for the sake of the Chinese and Russian markets.

[@kingjalon7591]

And that's how the forest fire started

[@UltimateXorn]

Insert “And they were Roommates” Joke here.

[@christopherb501]

I do wish there were more queer relationships in MtG. It should *not* feel weird to discuss one.

[@gabrielragsdale180]

How about no. kids play the game. They should just tell a story without any sexuality.

[@AetherHub]

I have no issues discussing these topics and luckily there are other same sex relationships out there in MTG. Check Tomin and Ral Zarek

[@christopherb501]

@@AetherHub I was already aware of them; it's still very few. And by "weird" I mean just as a point of a discussion in an typically heteronormative franchise (as so many sadly are).

[@christopherb501]

@@gabrielragsdale180 One response: Oh, so you approve of absolutely no discussion of romance or aesthetic flair of any kind affirming gender/romance in public then, including from the straights? Not something _I'd_ particularly approve of, but good to know you're openly romance-negative.[/s] Other response: How about stfu. The game's rated 13+, and regardless, people of all ages should know that feelings you may have for others are perfectly valid, provided they are not followed on without consent. Orientation != sexuality; if anyone's assuming "sex!!!" with a f/f pairing, that's on _you._

[@SykoSilver]

Yes! I'm totally on board for more queer relationships in MtG 🏳️‍🌈 Representation matters and MtG has more work to do. There's some but it's indeed mostly been heteronormative. And yeah, it need not be sexual, but of course we're subjected to some hypocritical bs implying MtG has not been sexual in a heteronormative way 😒

[@lucaslima33]

The moment i read those lines, my thoughts were "Wizards, do grow some guts for once"

[@girlyknight8817]

As long as it doesn't feel force I'm kool with it

[@Battleguild]

The most toxic relationship is Garruk x Liliana.

[@AetherHub]

Is that even considered a relationship? Or are they just enemies lmfao

[@christopherb501]

@@AetherHub _Someone_ ships it. Heck, with the kind of madness shippers have, there's doubtlessly those that pine for Urza/Yawgmoth, Urza/Mishra, Karn/the Mirari _(not_ Memnarch; _specifically_ the Mirari), Bolas/Ugin, khan-Narset/dragon-Narset, Jodah/Mairsil, the whole Gatewatch, _ALL_ Kenriths, Jaeger/Adira/Hazezon, Mairsil/Lim-Dûl/Jaya, Liliana making a harem of her demons...you get the idea.

[@Battleguild]

@@AetherHub Of course, why else couldn't Garruk be on Strixhaven. Liliana must've had a restraining order on him.

[@rainyatsu4588]

Due to the abrupt way the ship was shut down and the very juvenile wording Greg Weisman utilized in the books. I can’t help but get the sense he went down that route from a place of resentment or passionate ill intentions. I can’t help but get the feeling that shutting down the ship was due to homophobia.

[@praelorn]

I don’t know enough about it and I’m certainly not trying to inflame the comments, but I had heard something about the rights somewhere to her character changing hands in the middle of this story arc. I had heard a rumour saying something about because of whatever nationality the rights owner was, lesbian relationships we’re not on agenda they wanted to push anymore so they abruptly ended it and instead gave her heterosexual interests. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@mimito6037]

They did my girls dirty...

[@bloodbarage]

Are there people who actually care that the people in their games are gay? I can relate to a rock if I need to. I feel like most humans today can’t even relate to humans because our society has twisted what humanity is so much.

[@AUZZYNAPALM]

god, the writing in the books feels like a conservative parent deciding how the story ended. "no no, jesus wouldnt allow that, you read it wrong, she likes men. as manly as they can be."

[@drdomvondoom9265]

I understand the bad writing but at the end of the day WOTC is the gate keepers of the lore someone at Wizards must have read this right? This is that disconnect Wizards has with their departments. The books have never really been that great. Where are their lore keepers to scour the published works before it’s put out? They seem more concerned with pushing out a set for every month of the year than cohesion

[@dafishboi6979]

first time I've heard of it.

[@jayemdaewarehouse9027]

Only couple that matters is Jace and Lili. Can’t wait to find out what happens after Jace discovers she’s still alive.

[@Underworlddream]

I though Nissa was a racist that hate human? Why would she like a Human, was this like a Twitter/Tumblr shipper thing that had all the shipper campaigning for them to hook up?

[@AetherHub]

They reconned her… ideologies a lot lol

[@hunterapena]

Oh bro you're yeeeeeears out of date. They made her into a generic hippie to not scare off people.

[@geinerelizondo2019]

One Word: Retcon!

[@Bladezeromus]

Yeah, I'm not to happy about that retcon. Guess it was too hard to give her a real story arc. Couldnt get that fire bush if she hates humans.

[@hunterapena]

@@Bladezeromus more like couldn't get that lgbtq+ money if she was seen as a bigot.

[@aceundead4750]

The writing can inly get better. As long as they bother writing a story unlike with Theros Beyond Death

[@michaelgibson4663]

I'm hoping WOTC will buck up in the future and give the ladies their well deserved (and hopefully well written) relationship arc. On another note I am wondering if Wizards will start fleshing out our new mtg lore in the D&D supplements?

[@nexobuilder0967]

What was this book? I never knew there was a lore script! Where can I get it and laugh at the lazy writing and NOT plagarise it in my homebrew d&d campaign?

[@nexobuilder0967]

Wait I just looked it up and I ain't paying $30 for that s***.

[@theone9132]

The writer just doesn't like elves. Chandra is totally into girls, as we can see in Midnight Hunt and Crimson Vow

[@eternalfinality154]

*looks at Aether Revolt where Chandra had a Bi-panic moment* Yeah….this break up shit was dumb

[@doublestarships646]

I didn't know they were lesbians?! Honestly I don't keep up with the lore seeing as how there's no novels anymore. The universe could be as big as Warhammer 40k if they wanted it to be. They could always just do ebooks if they're worried about physical copies not selling.

[@julienleynaud6898]

I genuinely don't recall any hint in the storyline that they were in love, it looks more like something the community wants than a real story point.

[@doublestarships646]

@@julienleynaud6898 Like the weirdos that want Deku and Bakugo to be a thing?

[@julienleynaud6898]

@@doublestarships646 I don't know who Deku and Bakudo are ^^

[@doublestarships646]

@@julienleynaud6898 They're two manga/anime characters from My Hero Academia that gay shippers desperately want to be a thing even though it's obvious that they're not.

[@ChrisFactor]

Remove all the words from the thumbnail and that's the playmat I want

[@michaelalexander7139]

Is there any artwork displaying their love making? I'd like to see

[@DefinitelyNotReal627]

I'd have to give this relationship a pass tbh. I don't care for either of them as characters, and generally I feel we can do better for representation than pushing it on two of the three worst modern magic protagonists.

[@JoshyuaGorgon]

Oooooo spicy 🥵

[@grimtrix]

I dont think the relationship or the ending of it is controversial at all... What is controversial is that this was CLEARLY ended because Wizards wants to be in the Chinese market.

[@manuelchaparro4073]

I wanna know

[@DMBLaan]

I prefer the ship of Liliana x Chandra personally

[@cassiemoyles4177]

Can we just all ignore the official announcement and just claim that book as non Canon? Please????

[@pyrotecgames92]

Have to love Wizards fake progress.

[@Odd_Magus]

wasn't it confirmed at one point the author is homophobic? seems like I remember some one talking about the things he said regarding why he wrote the relationship out, and how WotC forced ral X tomic so he didn't get a choice

[@CMAzeriah]

Gideon is dead, Jace is still there though! Lmao

[@obadijahparks]

Not my ship. But algorithm comment here.

[@stevenbland4035]

The Oblivion music made me kek.

[@jozzyalthefool9273]

Aand it is all the fault of Greg Weismann honestly

[@Kardel_VA]

"The Gay Watch" lol

[@acrolein1870]

Their pairing seems forced to me

[@billberndtson]

I guess corporate homophobia exists.