Cops CAN Be Sued for Excessive Force After Handcuffing 10-Year-Old Girl

[@Chrsly]

Were the cops afraid she'd "draw" a weapon?

[@timduncan6750]

Best comment so far...

[@blargblarg5657]

Sigh ... this comment was far more dangerous than that little girl's drawing.

[@malgf4145]

Knock, knock, is Chrsly in ? We have a warrant.

[@06barcafan10]

Priceless….well done, well done indeed

[@fetchstixRHD]

Damn it, I wanted to make that pun 😂

[@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958]

Honolulu is the department that gives you a DUI if you blow a zero point zero, and they handcuff ten year olds? Who runs that department and why are they still there?

[@terryjohnson3479]

The Hawaiian Supreme Court had to rule that their police can no longer lie to people about the results of their lie detector tests.

[@xenuburger7924]

It might be a native against Haole thing.

[@roadkillavenger1325]

The Left.

[@roy19491]

@@roadkillavenger1325 police brutality is committed by cops who are not only right wing, but far right.....

[@roadkillavenger1325]

@roy19491 So far right that they circled around the globe and became the Left.

[@ianbattles7290]

If you need to handcuff an eight year old girl "for your own safety", you are too much of a coward to wear a badge.

[@kevinvilmont6061]

I think it exposes that often times people are not being handcuffed for officer safety but rather an expression of their power. Or many other cases retaliatory. My point is is that officer uses those handcuffs for reasons other than Officer safety. And where did he learn that? So that means other officers likely do as well.

[@MikeMiasuki-vy3xx]

@@kevinvilmont6061 Bullshit. It might be a rule to handcuff all suspects however an 8 year old would require a supervisor on scene to CYA.

[@mider9996]

It depends on the situation, why, what where. If the kids a large boy who’s violent then yes, if it’s just a girl who’s doing nothing then yes this is dumb

[@MavHunter20XX]

Listen to Leto, they questioned a 8 y/o without her parents. A bunch of adults, questioned her, an 8 y/o. Let that sink that in.

[@AngelaMerici12]

All because of a drawing. They handcuffed the child to teach what??

[@delbancroft9339]

@@AngelaMerici12 teaching hatred and distrust of police.

[@EnlightenedMinarchist]

Okay. It sank in. Now what?

[@kurt1391]

@@EnlightenedMinarchist That part is up to you.

[@My-Pal-Hal]

I don't see a problem. Pretty much seems to be about the average intellect nowadays. ... if that 🤤

[@MrGeneralfischer]

The teacher who called the cops instead of the parents is just as guilty as the cops.

[@alanmcentee9457]

No. The teacher is duty bound to report the student's violent act to the principal. It would have been the principal who called the police. Should the police have arrested her? That is a question both courts tossed as they gave the police qualified immunity on that. There though the question would have been was the drawing a threat or work of art.

[@The1andonlyhbomb]

​@@alanmcentee9457 what was the violent act? Drawing??

[@c-j-p]

From another video he said it was a concerned parent that called. The picture was of a bully. The bully didn't care. A completely different kid was upset after hearing about it and told their parent.

[@yeetube-ghostedMoose]

... my insult cartoons were pure, unabridged, scorched earth. No mercy in ink fer the guilty The statute of limitations in Gothamstate is my friend.

[@georgea5991]

@@alanmcentee9457 "violent act" 🤦🏻‍♂🙄

[@kurtwetzel154]

The cops taught her at a very young age to dislike the cops. I can see why children aren’t suppose to be treated bad by cops.

[@xv6701]

My ex used to threaten her kids with the police all the time. She actually did call them once. All it did was teach the kids to be scared of cops.

[@timkinley1779]

The cops want you scared of them.

[@alli3219]

FTP

[@dvdadaudits7500]

​@xv6701 you should be very afraid of the police in this Police State we live in

[@GregFirehawk]

Grown men being afraid of a prepubescent girl. Classy. And it was for a thought crime, drawing a cartoon. Peak society

[@fs127]

Welcome to the home of the brave.

[@beeenn649]

@@fs127 The home of the brave that won two world wars and liberated dozens of countries. Don't let a stupid cop take away from that.

[@Unknown-qp9ur]

They were not afraid they were inflicting pain and trauma to gain compliance. If the military acted this way it would be a war crime but for cops they get immunity.

[@samsadowitz1724]

Unless you are the IDF​@@Unknown-qp9ur

[@uzlonewolf]

@@fs127 Land of the Fee, Home of the Wage Slave.

[@briandibb1300]

How do schools confuse violation of their internal rules and violations of law? How stupid are the cops who think they can arrest someone for violation of a school rule?

[@opforwarrior]

That's the definition of COLOR OF LAW.

[@olorin3815]

well to be honest i dont mind police being called but really they should have some child counselor or psychologist or something in the school that gonna go and talk to the kid or something of the sort and figure out whats going on as opposed to handcuffing a cooperative child

[@justskip4595]

So things like squatters do not concern police in USA but breaking rules that are not laws are police issues?

[@willdwyer6782]

Believe it or not, some states have laws that make disrupting the operations of a public school a misdemeanor. Texas school districts run their own police departments instead of relying on municipal police services, and school cops can issue citations to disruptive students and haul them into court with their parents for a hearing.

[@ianbelletti6241]

Obviously, these police don't know of the picture war game where a picture gets passed back and forth for different people to add things that trump what's already drawn.

[@CeraSeptem]

I'm going to make a bold claim. If you're scared of 10 year old children and feel the need to handcuff them over everything, you should not be a cop. You are not qualified.

[@brianbickle7395]

Yeah, and if they physically restrained her imagine the screams of outrage and false accusations

[@TheJase8566]

@@brianbickle7395 you drunk?

[@jilbertb]

Or a teacher...

[@tlr-nut7275]

​@@brianbickle7395You can't arrest someone for a drawing you don't like. Why would you be restraining her.

[@VVilde36]

@@brianbickle7395 are you okay?

[@Bob-Lob-Law]

Run for your life. She’s got a cartoon

[@MavHunter20XX]

Aquabats

[@machintelligence]

And she used a pen!

[@wolfsokaya]

@@machintelligence That is mighter than the sword!

[@DrVincentDoom]

@@wolfsokaya I wonder if kids get arrested for drawing swords in school too?

[@elinope4745]

A lot of people out there are in prison for drawing, selling or trading illegal cartoons. It's a strange world that I live in.

[@michaelccopelandsr7120]

Last year, California supreme court ruled their officers can now be held liable for their misconduct.

[@lisaamerson1547]

What California did something sense-able ?

[@Burncsb]

@@lisaamerson1547 it's not sensible when stopping shoplifters is pretty much against the law. Imagine being liable for stopping a robber.

[@jaxsmom8542]

I believe all states will come to this .. citizens are tired of the lawsuits coming from them . With all the spotlight that is on the forces .. and body cams .. they can’t get by with hurting people anymore

[@ninjalectualx]

Shoplifting is not a serious problem. Wage theft is though

[@michaelccopelandsr7120]

@@Burncsb When you fear integrity and accountability, you are NOT the good guys.

[@rationalbushcraft]

Well of course they handcuffed a 10 year girl. She might have beat them up if she was left free. Were these cops trained by Uvalde PD?

[@joehannah1343]

They Absolutely Were not trained by Uvalde! It's apparent, they actually approached the "criminal".

[@Morpheus187]

The Uvalde police would have ran from her. They are cowards.

[@kenhawkins1033]

"SHE WAS BEING SCARY!!!"

[@rationalbushcraft]

@@Morpheus187 maybe but I assume they would say they handcuffed her for officer safety and if so that is pretty cowardly when the perf is a ten year old girl. If they handcuffed her for punishment then that is even worse. Punishment is the courts job not police.

[@Fazzel]

They were probably worried she would shoot them.

[@harrypitts7389]

I'm 79 and I still remember a hostile cop from grade school days. Totally uncalled for behavior.

[@elinope4745]

I'm a little younger but also have four decades of not trusting the police because of how they were when I was young.

[@terryjohnson3479]

I'm 70 and remember a small town cop who was on the job for nearly 50 years and knew everyone and everything and the day he retired the whole town including the schools shut down for a retirement party complete with a parade. However in the 55 years since then all they have done is piss me off.

[@Facetiously.Esoteric]

​@terryjohnson3479 You never had an issue because you are white. Law enforcement was brutal to people of color through our history.

[@mamanoneyall51]

This is how distrust of police and other authorities is instilled in people

[@red---paulvanravenswaay2247]

Jesuit agitation

[@LJHowardPhoto]

The girl was unarmed. But some might argue the crayon is mightier than the sword.

[@jameswest9261]

The girl may have been arrest for refusing to provide ID. You know every ten year old has a drivers license. Bullsh*t.

[@fetchstixRHD]

I mean, she drew a gun... 🥁

[@phantomraven5044]

@@fetchstixRHD😂

[@MalefaxTheBlack]

It a 10yo girl…not John Wick.

[@ClarityDetermination]

​@@fetchstixRHD 🏆

[@Robert_kuchar]

Imagine being that officer and having handcuffed a child and thinking your serving and protecting the community

[@ferragusslackwyrm]

​@THEBEST00GREMLIN Exactly, they know damn well what they're doing.

[@jameswest9261]

@THEBEST00GREMLIN You must remember that courts have ruled that police have no Constitutional duty to Protect and Serve YOU. Protect and Serve applies to fellow officers, not to taxpaying citizens.

[@phat-kid]

imagine that officer being your parent or your spouse

[@ferragusslackwyrm]

@@phat-kid now that my friend, is a frightening thought.

[@MalefaxTheBlack]

They went from “To Protect and Serve” to “To Punish and Enslave.”

[@bartsanders1553]

When I was 10, a classmate and I were caught drawing firearms in class. Instead of calling the police, school officials asked if we would be willing to redirect our artistic focus to help the school paint a mural of popular children's book characters for our school library. We would work during recess time for a few weeks, this was voluntary and not a substitute for punishment, as they made clear. They were actually just looking for help on the project. We accepted, as we thought the idea was very cool. We got to outline and paint an 8 foot tall Clifford, and a family portrait of the Barenstain Bears. Looking back, it's one of the proudest moments of my childhood, not just that we did it, but that the school saw enough talent in us to ask for our help. Growing up, I didn't always have the best teachers and principals. Donxt get me wrong, some of them were truly great. But even the mediocre ones had a sense of how to deal with a situation that produced the best results, not just the freest from liability.

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

@@BobDeGuerre Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy going around calling everyone who shares personal stories a bot?

[@MeRia035]

And that is how schools & their staff should be. That is a great memory. These kinds of outcomes truly help shape a child's outlook & future. Thanks for sharing such a positive & heart warming story 💛

[@Legend869]

it's amazing what happens when positive reinforcement is applied to a situation 🤷 guess the common sense is not so common

[@Self_Evident]

@bartsanders1553 "... had a sense of how to deal with a situation ..." Yea, that would be a welcome response today, compared to what is presented in this video (calling the police and handcuffing a 10 year old over a drawing). However, the opening sentence of your story, "When I was 10, a classmate and I were caught drawing firearms in class." is troubling... that you were considered "caught". Caught for what, exactly? Absent additional context, a drawing of a firearm is as concerning as a drawing of a daisy. Once, in the 2nd or 3rd grade, for "show & tell", I brought a toy *gun* to school! A cap *gun* , which I don't think they make anymore, but was common then. Anyway, you know what happened? Absolutely nothing. Well, other than a bit of yawning from the rest of my class mates...

[@spidalack]

Guess cops need to be told arresting a 10 years old girl and putting her in handcufs (made for adults) for a drawing is wrong. What a world they live in to think this was OK.

[@volvo09]

Unbelievable that this was all over a DRAWRING too...

[@Navigator001]

Bizzaro world.

[@twiztid6977420]

It was unreasonable to arrest her in the first place! What the hell was the probable cause to arrest her for a picture?

[@staugjames9502]

They need to pad their stats to justify the wasted tax dollars. They never publish conviction data, only arrests…

[@aquaprofile]

Cops do not know the law, let alone the constitution. How can you expect them to enforce it?

[@SeanBZA]

Because she showed independent thought, which is not allowed in school, you have to toe the line they give you slavishly, and they also have rules that are non negotiable, despite most of them being in most places illogical and contradictory.

[@nasaboy87]

She drew a picture that was a clear threat of causing violence against multiple other students. So the arrest was credible, but the way the process was handled was not done properly.

[@Hamish_A]

​@@nasaboy87You've never heard of the FIRST AMENDMENT ??? sad

[@RickAshley]

When you are 10, being handcuffed by the police will traumatize you so deeply, that it will change the course of your life.

[@seer1]

"The most dangerous thing in life is an incompetent that has been given a gun and a law enforcement badge." - Steven Magee

[@luck484]

I disagree. The most dangerous course in this life is to attempt to force the King, or any powerful person, to keep his word.

[@mickhardin15]

"For HER safety" yeah, right!

[@LancePoole-wu6hw]

Cowards. She needs protection from them

[@jamiesands3331]

It's sad that we have to have a judge's "permission" to hold publicly funded law enforcement accountable for their actions.

[@HH-ru4bj]

So they handcuffed a kid, over something that should be seen as a cry for help?

[@niyablake]

Lets start with she is 8 and you can not prosecute a person until the age of 10 in Hawaii

[@raymondgordon-c2n]

the police were afraid for their lives

[@squeezeracer]

IF that's what it was. She, apparently, was not the only person involved in the drawing.

[@paulvanallen-lononca]

They didn't want her to draw anything while in their custody.....

[@virginiamoss7045]

That's exactly as I see it. The child is father of the man. Childhood experiences are profound and form the adult to be for good or bad. In this case bad unless this little girl got help with whatever she was struggling with.

[@Aerik]

Drawing a picture is not an imminent threat of harm, the 1A still protects the kid. Talk to the kid maybe, arrest, no.

[@Razmoudah]

According to the 14th Amendment it is a credible threat of harm when the victim(s) in the picture are named and the names match people the person who drew it knows.

[@msromike123]

@@Razmoudah Not sure what amendment you are thinking of here, but it's not the 14th.

[@Razmoudah]

@@msromike123 *blink, blink* Ack! You're right. I was going off another comment on that. I do know there are restrictions on free speech, which do include threats of violence and a few other things. I've ran into it before, though I don't recall right off hand where it's included. It is intrinsic to the difference between a peaceful protest and a violent mob (otherwise the police wouldn't be allowed to do anything to stop the latter because of the 1st Amendment), and does apply here. The curse of several early-ish mornings in a row leaving me half out of it today.

[@nnelg8139]

​@@Razmoudah how is it a credible threat when the girl is *8 years old?!* A gun might even be too heavy for her to hold.

[@robwiljas]

@@Razmoudah False. Where did you come up with that nonsense? Only true threats are unprotected and that was not a true threat.

[@loytaverite2780]

Always love fact that enforcers are only required to know the law if a previous case exists. It seems to put meaning to the saying: Ignorance of the law is no excuse UNLESS one is employed to enforce the law.

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

Even more important than that is that it actively prevents future rectification.

[@loytaverite2780]

@@DKNguyen3.1415 that is something we have said for years. The more bazaar of an illegal activity, something that would lock up any of the rest of us for the rest of our lives, they can simply claim they did not know it was wrong for them to do it. Simply because there had never been a case against an enforcer like it before. It is a crazy world that we live.

[@lindahorton7851]

Isn't this the same police department that was busting people for DUI who were blowing 0.00?

[@jonathanjones3126]

Probably, their seems to be a distinct lack of common sense

[@catskinner3254]

We need to outlaw pencils, then this would never have happened, and words would no longer be misspelled.

[@Shade01982]

John Wick disagrees.

[@johnmunro4952]

When you are a hammer everything looks like a nail.

[@fs_dave]

Shouldn't the cops have known that they were violating her first amendment rights by arresting her for a drawing?

[@m4carbinesdotcom]

yes

[@kento4177]

Call the parents, call a counselor. WTF is a gun going to do to help?

[@Mario-t8b8y]

They dehumanize EVERYONE. The blue line is above all else. How else could anyone with a conscience do what they do.

[@ferragusslackwyrm]

@user-jz6bg1dm1v we can only hope the youth grow up to see police for what they are. Then gain the power to erase that Thin Blue Line.

[@jameswest9261]

Thin Blue Line Gang. Largest organized criminal gang in the country. There has been a court case that you can be too intelligence to be admitted to the police academy.

[@rjkee5157]

How can these "judges" continue to be this stupid. When it is impossible to get an initial case they should decide that this is the initial case.

[@darksaint0124]

They are not "being stupid," they have been stealing the power of the other 2 branches of government for 60 years. They act with impunity because the people that can put them in check allow them to do whatever they want. I still don't understand how every judge and prosecutor that uses qualified immunity isn't instantly arrested and charged for committing fraud and denying rights.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

They would have FREAKED over drawings my son made in elementary school at a catholic school. He was drawing what he saw in church….A cross with a man dripping blood. My Methodist family prayed for him!

[@maddermax74]

i cant wait to see the cop stand up in court and say he was terrified and feared for his life from a 10 year old school girl that had no weapons, this officer should not be on the streets if he scared of a 10 year old school kid

[@ronjohnson9032]

Cops don't really get sued. Their employers actually do.

[@dianayount2122]

and that means it falls back to their communities..

[@jonahhekmatyar]

And the public foots the bill

[@chrisbudesa]

Auditors need to start filing FOIA, or equivalent, requests for police liability insurance payments before and after large payouts.

[@mwo79]

These cops are being sued individually because they aren’t entitled to qualified immunity per the 9th Circuit.

[@karidennis6154]

Hey, people don’t make the rules, they just follow them. If it’s the taxpayers that pay then perhaps the taxpayers should change that.

[@TheCollabCurator]

My 11 yr old was searched and questioned over a mistake the teacher made. Then they called me. They said this was all okay because the cop was just in the room and it was “primarily” the school principal that did the search. As well intended as they were, their actions showed my son that their first thought was to assume the worst about him. A kid that’s never even been sent to the principals office. I don’t think they have a clue as to the damage they caused.

[@robyee3325]

The state doesn’t care about us

[@dmelson7502]

They don't care about the damage they caused.

[@missflowerpower8724]

And, if they had called you FIRST instead of going for an illegal body search, the FACTS may have been revealed before the search was done and any harm was done.

[@Dr.Claw_M.A.D.]

Drawing a picture seems first amendment.

[@vinaypatel8578]

Idiotic zero tolerance policies pretty much destroyed the 1st amendment for students.

[@DaveBigDawg]

It is

[@scottlemiere2024]

Schools are allowed to ignore some of your rights. The first, second, and fourth amendments are among them.

[@kenyattaclay7666]

Yes & no. SCOTUS has ruled several times that students have limited 1st amendment rights. The two that would relate to this case would be Bethel School District No. 403 v. Fraser (1986) where they said that students don't have a right to obscene speech and Morse v. Frederick (2007) where they said a school can ban a students right to free speech if it's something illegal. The students attorney's could've argued it but it wouldn't have gotten very far.

[@ThorpenAlnyr]

@@scottlemiere2024 Yes, and no. I do love me some grey areas.

[@ghijkmnop]

Honolulu twice in a week. Remind me never to never be a designated driver or draw the wrong picture there.

[@ronaldhudson169]

Ya know, I have never really seen the point of vacationing in Hawaii. This and the DUI at 0.00 both really raise the bar of me spending any tourist dollars in the islands.

[@David_Ladd]

Some of these cop news is just crazy. Don’t these cops ever think????

[@coolHandLuke5150]

No

[@howlinwulf]

Cool hand luke and a van halen reference in your name. Best of both worlds lol.​@@coolHandLuke5150

[@25aspooner]

Nope.

[@ElmshornBoy]

No, because police should never have arrested the girl and should have done deescalation techniques ... and then fast leave school to threaten real criminals.

[@inthetrenches7315]

Absolutely not they police by intimidation

[@wintonlee2169]

All American children who point toy guns at each are now endangered of being arrested.

[@EvilGrin]

I'd say you're a bit optimistic. There were multiple incidents where cops shot children playing with toy guns even though it was more then obvious that it was a toy. A teen got his hand shot to pieces not to long ago for playing with an airsoft gun in public. And these were toy guns, better not to think about all the cases where the cops mistook some candy for a deadly weapon (and I wish I was joking)...

[@volvo09]

​@@EvilGrin airsoft guns often look quite realistic. Playing with one in a public space isn't really a smart idea. It's not an obvious "toy" like a nerf gun or a water pistol.

[@rsmith3062]

@@EvilGrin I was given a molded chocolate bar that looked like a 45 cal pistol. If I was biting off the end of the barrel could I be considered to be suicidal? Perhaps shot by passing police to stop me from hurting myself. In all honesty a diabetic fat man such as myself it probably was suicidal eating that much chocolate, the long slow suicide plan. Still working on it by the way! LOL

[@EvilGrin]

@@volvo09 I never said that they cannot look realistic, the point is that even if it's obviously a toy that won't make it any safer. And children aren't really known for being smart. In a country where cops assume everything that looks like a gun to be a lethal threat, I wouldn'd hand a child even a water pistol to begin with, let alone anything that looks like a real gun.

[@conscientiousobserver8772]

Not just toy guns. Cops have intervened on calls of small children pointing fingers and gun-shaped pop-tarts.

[@Lewis82100]

Im 43 years old now a kid that i used to mentor 15 years ago tracked me down. Told me a lot of things I did with him meant a lot. I told him it was nothing just hanging out and helping him out. He told me that it was a Monday for you, but it was a huge thing for me. Its the little things that usually have the biggest impact.

[@opforwarrior]

The constitution and the "reasonable person" standard must be upheld.

[@fs127]

Reason left the chat ages ago, and I believe I saw that constitution thing on the roll in the executive bathroom.

[@C25-150]

⁠@@fs127we as a society are at fault for that as we have become too afraid of each other

[@monicadabney8471]

She needed some counseling and her parents. Not the police. Commonsense and reason. Insanity abounds!

[@longrange9131]

Don't kids have the right to freedom of expression?

[@elinope4745]

For the most part no. Images of their nudity is often considered a felony anymore. Imagine if you took a picture of yourself and if you handed that picture to someone else that it would be a felony for them to accept it. That's the real situation that children live in.

[@davidloseke16]

Steve, I think we now know why you are an attorney!

[@spacespector]

We have the lore now. Thats how he gained the Power of Attorney! 😂

[@Sku11Leader]

Seems like a counselor ought to talk to the girl before police are called.

[@nancismith7705]

And the Government doesn’t want you to homeschool your children!😂

[@davidg3944]

Does homeschooling help when it's "fundamentally" ignorant parents doing the teaching?

[@captainjimolchs]

@@davidg3944 I'll take that chance.

[@davidg3944]

@@captainjimolchs You must be extremely happy. Blissful, even...

[@beekeeper8474]

Let me guess they felt threatened by a 10 year old girl.

[@thecableguy1128]

The principal and the teacher should not be employed in their jobs. This is so ridiculous to me that they called the police for a drawing.

[@desertdara]

This happened to my younger brother back when he was around 10 years old. He had muscular dystrophy and he didn't move or look quite like a normal kid. He was teased unmercifally by kids AND teachers because of how he looked and moved. When this happened he was in class and had written something out of anger. The teacher considered it a threat and they called the police. He was taken to the police station in handcuffs, interviewed, etc. and my dad had to go pick him up. We were shocked that he was treated in this way because he was not a threat. He died from MD when he was 35.

[@jollyandwaylo]

The system is filled with bullies and they support each other because they can relate to the other bullies and see things from the bullies point of view. The victim is the one who is usually punished the most.

[@David_Mash]

Dismissing the probable cause is exactly why there will never be case law, we need to make sure that cases like this do not get dismissed and that they do move through the courts

[@Unus_mundus_]

All courts are corrupted

[@michaelkelleypoetry]

I remember when I was little, I loved the book Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson, and I was obsessed with "the black dot" in the novel. So, in good fun one day, I passed around a picture I had done of a single black dot on a piece of paper. Well, one girl, unbeknownst to me, made the dot an O, and made the note read "Butthole". My mom got a call from her mother who was so upset about it. Before she had the chance to ask me about it, though, the girl's mother called back saying she had confessed to writing it and her mother was absolutely horrified that her daughter would write such a thing.

[@4FlatTires]

Who thinks Steve unknowingly became a lawyer because his inner child was still offended by police intimidation while riding his purple bicycle peacefully with his friend.

[@kempedkemp]

Since when can police arrest ANYBODY for an art work? Not like it's graffiti!

[@ytscksdabig1]

Apparently my sister called the cops on me when I was 9 because felt so threatened as a 16 year old. Elementary school students must be so terrifying.

[@ceothawne]

I can indeed remember all the times I've been stopped and/or talked to by police as a child and then as an adult. This sounds terrible hope the family wins, ideally properly supported and actually in court and not taking a deal to stay quiet on things.

[@muncie1742]

Wow... I remember when Steve originally posted this story... that means I've been listening for over 2 years now. My how time flies.

[@Rontonito]

Qualified incompetence...

[@jayniesgottagun]

What a sad state of affairs we find ourselves in.

[@MinionofNobody]

I am a retired cop. I have been working inside a police station when parents have walked in, told me their young child was misbehaving, and asked me to handcuff their child to teach the child a lesson. My general approach was to talk with the parents and find out what was going on. If there were no allegations of a crime, I declined to get involved. I have had parents curse at me for refusing to handcuff their child. In the decades I worked as a patrol officer and patrol sergeant, I never handcuffed a child that young. I suspect that an average size ten or eleven year old would be able to slip their hands out of the cuffs had I ever done so. Handcuffs are made to restrain adults and generally don’t tighten far enough to restrain a young child. I have cuffed a couple of adult women who were able to slide their hands through the cuffs at their tightest setting. I can imagine circumstances under which it might be necessary to restrain a ten year old but that isn’t what happened here.

[@TimKilcrease]

Retired State LEO here. Regarding a lawful arrest: law enforcement is allowed ONLY that force necessary to effect a “lawful” arrest.

[@kaptainwarp]

LEO... that's an odd way to spell "narcissistic sociopath". You do you.

[@StarterVillian]

justice grinds so slowly that the girl is grown now😢

[@DustinEvans1966]

The city needs to go bankrupt.

[@jean6453]

Thank you Steve, you explain it so well, and you add the perspective of how it might affect a child in a negative way.

[@yaqbulyakkerbat4190]

Cops: If we don't abuse the law, who will?!

[@electriclott]

This should have been nothing more than a referal to a counselor or call to the parents.

[@Cohen.the.Worrier]

Who hires these thugs?

[@lovefortheplant6997]

Their thug buddies. It's a gang.

[@captainjimolchs]

You do!

[@mitchellroberts7954]

@@captainjimolchs yep, we're responsible for them.

[@paulhardman6507]

Steve - I grew up in Detroit and I had an experience with police that I still remember (50 yrs later). My cousin and I were playing around my elementary school and I was showing him my classroom. We were looking through the windows and two police (guns drawn) confronted us and made us sit down and tell them why we were there. As an 8 yr old it was a terrifying situation and gave me nightmares for years.

[@manny2ndamendment246]

Why do people back the blue?

[@SeanHollingsworth]

Sounds like the beginning of a poem. Lol. ;-)

[@GrandMasterLynx]

Because the media lies to them about how they can do nothing wrong

[@howlinwulf]

I used to and still in certain cases. Some are out of control

[@arribaficationwineho32]

They are our enforcers

[@elinope4745]

They are scared little puppets that listen to the lies and scare tactics of major media. In short, it's a consequence of fake news.

[@DaveBigDawg]

I remember you covering the story of the drawing of the girl

[@lindahorton7851]

I remember it too and it didn't seem like it was three years ago!

[@aleksanderphillips8719]

HPD is the worst department I've ever dealt with by far. I was in Kailua and witnessed a crash. This blue truck came flying from a side road, almost hit me, slammed on his brakes, and stopped fully in the middle of the intersection. A motorcycle wasn't able to stop in time and hit the truck, and the rider was seriously hurt. He was a Marine in my unit, he had a fractured pelvis, among other injuries. HPD showed up and initially started investigating the crash, giving myself and my passenger witness statements, but when they found out we were Marines, they took the statements from us unfinished, saying "he's not seriously hurt, we'll let insurance handle it". His bike was totaled too, and there was a good bit of damage to the truck (it was a touring bike, so pretty big).

[@machintelligence]

No weapon? The pen is mightier than the sword, and she had a pen.

[@alli3219]

Crayon 😂 🖍️

[@franklyanogre00000]

There was a time before when police did not use handcuffs on EVERYONE.

[@justskip4595]

"clearly established right" confuses me as a foreigner. I would think that constitution is clearly established?

[@joehannah1343]

So do most non-governmentally employed Americans. Crazy isn't it. 😮

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

Basically uses an officer's ignorance, willing or otherwise, as criteria for immunity.

[@jackkreighbaum783]

Can Out-of-Court settlements be confidential if tax dollars are used?

[@alli3219]

FOIA?

[@halfdeadedlifereturningwit3420]

Sounds like she was being bullied. School faculty needs to get their act together. They always look the other way. Had the same problem through jr high. Then I had a growth spurt..

[@lovefortheplant6997]

It's always the faculty who protect the bullies the most bc the biggest bullies are typically teacher's/principal's fav students (typically driven by sports obsessions by faculty)

[@timothysemple4740]

Going to your chain of custody comment. As a kid growing up in the 70s, I remember Marsha (The Brady Bunch) drawing George Washington but another girl labeled it as the teacher for which Marsha got in trouble.

[@joshuagibson2520]

Steve is getting more vocal about topics and issues. Good on you Steve. Tell it like it is.

[@57WillysCJ]

It use to be a parent was called and they and the child had a sit down with the principle. I know some people find it hard to believe but kids do stupid things. Most of the time they don't realize just how stupid until it is explained. They also test boundries. Handcuffs are not needed to help them understand that. Yeah there are a few wild cards out there but they usually have a track record of activity. It seems ignore things and then go overboard. No middle ground.

[@brianhelm2328]

When I was in gradeschool a police officer came to the school to talk to us about safety, specifically street crossing and stuff like that. At one point in his diatribe he said that one of his responsibilities was to drive down the road, picking up all the dead bodies of kids who had been run down illegally crossing the road and left there dead. As a child, I took that at face value and believed him. Now I know that was just the first time I was lied to by a cop. That is still my strongest memory of police interaction, guess how I feel about them.

[@BenLeitch]

Ben is behind the small tag behind the lawyer dog on Steve's RHS

[@mydor2]

Upside down hiding behind the Quebec plate, behind Lawyer Dog. Makes me question... Why is he upside down? Why is he hiding behind Quebec while upside down?

[@foofyguy]

Officer Safety! Those 10 year old girls can be scary.

[@drewk75]

If a judge were so inclined, could they say "I am dismissing because of qualified immunity, however, let it be known that this behavior clearly violated the plaintiff's rights. This opinion may be referenced in future trials."?

[@mukiex4413]

DISCRETION, DISCRETION, DISCRETION. Steve’s 600% correct here.

[@4362mont]

A cop stopped some kids on bikes to give a lecture... and a lawyer named Lehto was born!

[@Novusid66]

You don’t understand the officer was fearful for his life! He can’t be held liable for such a high pressure situation.

[@B__C]

There’s no way this lawsuit should be allowed to move forward. We need to keep the lying corrupt honor-less tyrannical psychopaths we call cops, safe at all times. This child was obviously a deadly threat to those cowards.

[@cmorris9494]

Didn't you do a video about the Honolulu police yesterday? Must be something in the water at the station.

[@shallowshadow]

Given that HPD hasn’t had its shit together for many years, it doesn’t surprise me. I lived in military housing, and they were always arguing with the federal police over jurisdiction of the housing complex. We stopped having that issue when the navy posted sailors at the entrance to check ID’s.

[@rickdaniels1789]

Honolulu PD needs a fed investigation. They have straight up psychopaths there.

[@theskyizblue2day431]

and you think the feds are... good?

[@marklytle7829]

We had that same bicycle license thing in LA,CA. It was to help victims retrieve bikes but it was used by police to control kids.

[@JanetBullard]

I grew up drawing cowboys and Indians…. Guess now that would be a crime?

[@mjoelnir1899]

One of the big things in the USA justice system is, delayed justice is not justice. That a case concerning a child takes several years is not justice.

[@MGower4465]

So much for the Constitutional guarantee to a speedy trial.

[@treefrogdoogie]

I had a purple Stingray bike! But did yours have a mag rear wheel, a speedometer, and best of all, a Vroom? Now I bet you're jealous, Steve!

[@davidg3944]

My Orange Krate had suspension front and rear, and a small front wheel with a drum brake. Eat my pedaled dust, piker!!

[@Hiker_who_Sews]

Forgot to turn on my bicycle light one night and was detained. I agree, kids never forget every second of that fear.

[@ta-setiwarrior1848]

Steve is it true that qualified immunity is not even a law?

[@jess_o]

That is correct. The courts made it up

[@papaal7014]

SCOTUS invented it p/ Watergate.

[@khrishp]

Watergate is no longer a crime and neither is anything the police do.​@@papaal7014

[@JohnDoe-qz1ql]

Yes!! it's true, it is "judicial doctrine". Laws created by the Supreme Court. A double negative doesn't Always make a positive...

[@mickhardin15]

Wasn't it to protect Nixon's minions?

[@MarkBartholomew-qy6ze]

Good work bro appreciate your show

[@frozencanary4522]

Ben behind Canadian license plate on Steve's righthand side.

[@ScottBunzick-ck6iz]

You know how dangerous a young child with a crayon can be! SMH!

[@TheJakeRobinson]

Maybe that interaction was the Nexus of why you even became an attorney?

[@howlinwulf]

I remember you telling us that story before. I like the way you video man. You seem to be a great guy.