Cosmic Child Abuse - American Gospel: Christ Crucified (Preview)

[@mcgheebentle1958]

American Gospel crew and producers, I hope you see this. Thank you for your films, so so much. I’m a young person in college and have shared these movies with everyone... my roommates and church friends and non-Christians. It’s caused somewhat of a ripple effect. Other students have shown their families (many of whom are non-believers!) and they have shown others. Many many late-night discussions in the dorms have started because of these films. It’s been a huge part of my college experience actually. I can see the hand of God, sovereign as always, at work here. These films are such blessings, you guys have no idea. Thank you. May the Lord bless you and keep you all.

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@sweetsav11]

Awesome! So glad to hear that! Keep sharing the love!

[@jtmm5070]

Same here it’s awesome

[@savchuktaras]

I loved the part "We’re absorbing the justice the other person deserves” and how that reflects God the Father and the Son. That blew my mind. Never saw it like that.

[@MsBeloved89]

Same! Still wrapping my head around it.

[@ntunger3633]

Me as well! That statement clarified to me how forgiveness works. It’s hard but when we forgive those who hurt us - whether they apologize or not, and regardless of whether they will keep hurting us - we are imitating Christ. How humbling.

[@joshuanadeem8898]

Same first time I've ever saw this line of reasoning before. So grateful that God has blessed us with this documentary American Gospel. To God be praise in the highest for He is truly Holy, Holy, Holy. Hallelujah! Amen.

[@timothytrudgen8881]

It is an amazing insight. But i think it is worth acknowledging that this insight is obscured by penal substitutionary attonement. Because the penal part makes it a transaction based on a legal framework. When we understand it through relationships, the need to legalise it goes away, and so does the need for the penal metaphor.

[@PaDutchRunner]

We can’t accept Penal Substitutionary Atonement because we can’t accept the awful truth about ourselves and our sinful condition. We reject the very nature of sin as rebellion against God, and we thereby diminish or minimize the doctrine of God’s holiness.

[@KS-jm9uo]

The holiness of God is why this makes sense to me.

[@knowledgeispower6732]

Exactly. God gave us his commandments to show us what righteousness is and that none of us are. It's our mission to get as close as we can to achieve it and to work towards it learning the scripture practicing commandments as best as we can and to ask for forgiveness when we can't or relapse. If everyone did this we wouldn't need the penal system but we kicked God out of the classrooms and colleges and restructured the church's to practice lawlessness and to worship men. WE DESERVE WHAT'S COMING AND FOR MOST PEOPLE IT WILL BE TOO LATE TO REPENT WHEN THEY SEE HIM COMING IN A CLOUD.

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@scottgrey2877]

@@knowledgeispower6732 God hates human sacrifice Deuteronomy 12:31 KJV

[@knowledgeispower6732]

@@scottgrey2877 that he does. The Messiah Yahusha was not a human sacrifice. It was a selfless offering to defeat death, by the living example of first sinning and then circumcision, mikveh and offering showing us the way to eternal life. Very few understand because the scripture has been twisted into a false religion and those deceived by it are under a strong delusion. Very few people actually read and research and fewer are willing to even believe or do when they discover it.

[@BrotherWells]

the Bible is so helpful if we just read it - love that quote from Alistair Begg because its true

[@jodimurray6829]

Every time I hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, I’m drawn more into His love; so beautiful is our God🥰

[@timsharpe6652]

Didn't expect to see Mike winger here !!

[@johndouglas4826]

Exactly what I said!

[@cheolkris2691]

Yess... i knowww.

[@SojournerDidimus]

Didn't expect a commentary by Chris Roseborough in there!

[@Rasoa]

I said, "Yay, Mike Winger!"

[@adamslaura768]

We need more thoughtful gracious women apologists. Thank you Alisa Childers💕

[@briendoyle4680]

haha

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@uniqueeasywaystosharethego9517]

I'm so excited that the first film is on Netflix! Thanks for putting that on there! Super excited and trying to share it as much as I can!

[@mlord1591]

It is? I'm going to watch it!

[@uniqueeasywaystosharethego9517]

@@mlord1591 yes make sure you do it's really good! And if you can, share it!

[@CrossStreamNL]

Why would a Christian pay for netflix. Good this doc is on Netflix for the unbelievers.

[@therambler3713]

Only in the USA apparently 😔

[@istandwithgod2011]

It's not n Netflix because it's full of crap!

[@LilacDaisy2]

13:44 - MIND BLOWN. I've seen this before, but this time, it CLICKED. Far out, *that's* why when we forgive we are being like God. My, my, my, I have to never to forget this!

[@ntunger3633]

100% with you.

[@libwondye5581]

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[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@LilacDaisy2]

@@elizabethbabe7513 Why?

[@johnbostic4063]

These people that hate this doctrine, don't under stand scripture have these people not read Isaiah 53 ,2nd corinthians 5:19-20, John 3:16, they don't understand the price Jesus paid ,he freely came to save his elect, thank you Father God for sending Jesus to save me and paying the awful price for my wicked sins , that cost you your life ,thank you for writing my name in the book of life😇😇, and giving me the Holy Spirit

[@Pyroverbs205]

I don't know if Alisa Childers or anyone tackled this in the full documentary, but I would like to add something further to what she said based on that awesome eye-opening point she made. (Spoilers below): She basically talked about the turn the other cheek part and the justice of "return a slap for a slap" and absorbing the "justice owed to that person" (by having them slap your other cheek that was meant for their cheek). So, now with Romans 6:23. "For the wages of sin is death;" -Alisa basically beautifully pointed out, God's not going to give us the punishment we deserve by absorbing the justice owed (on the cross). Jesus paid the penalty. Here, I want to add (again don't know if this was brought up). But He also gives us: "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." -So, not only NOT giving us what evil we deserve (by taking the penalty on our behalf so we don't have to), but giving us what good we don't deserve (from *ALL* the blessings brought forth by HIS perfect righteous sinless life and (sacrifice taking on the *wrath of God and punishment we deserve for our sins)).* So, here it's not simply that the person sinned against bore the "loss"/offense/pain/etc. of the first slap and saying "I'm not slapping you back" (not giving what the offender deserves), but ALSO that the slap of justice meant for the offender be slapped back against the other cheek (OFFENDER gets to slaps the other cheek also). Same with prodigal son. Not only did the son not have to pay anything back, neither did the Father told the son to work for his living now as a hired servant, BUT the Father restored him to being a son and the Father will now have to spend more for his return (as a son and not as a hired servant) and the Father wasn't stingy about that either. The party, ring, etc..that the son didn't deserve..at all. So back to Matthew. ...but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, *turn to HIM the other* also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, *let him have thy cloak also.* And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, *go with him twain.* ... But I say unto you, *Love* your enemies, *bless* them that curse you, *do good* to them that hate you, and *pray* for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.... *It's not simply bearing the loss by not paying back evil for evil (not give what they deserve and bearing loss upon self), but to "bear even more loss" by repaying the evil back with good.* (But in Christ, it's not really "more loss" because of the future gain). All made possible by Christ's perfect life and sacrifice.

[@lea-annepatterson1793]

Please make the full documentaries available in South Africa!

[@shaunkarabo4407]

Lea-Anne Patterson Did you try to buy it on vimeo

[@lea-annepatterson1793]

@@shaunkarabo4407 I have tried renting it. I suppose we can buy it?

[@nicolehoneywill5529]

They are! I’m from SA to!

[@nicolehoneywill5529]

I purchased them off of Vimeo! It’s not too pricey if you consider what it costs to watch a movie in IMAX - although I did buy it when the exchange rate was better!

[@afroteen4647]

Thank you

[@ayushidayal1513]

Oh man i wish this was on KZbin as well. I don’t have amazon prime😕

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@mrweaverface]

11:10 Brian Zahnd leaves out part of the story of the Prodigal Son. There was payment for forgiveness. The father killed the fatted calf. Luke 15:23, 27

[@redfrozenseven]

Ive never heard this before. It’s quite clear that it’s about a celebration. There’s nothing about penalty or sacrifice.

[@reformed-slave]

Hi! Just want to say I agree with one comment here, if a viewer is not familiar with the right doctrine, they will have a hard time knowing who's right and who's wrong due to the alternating cuts of interviews. Well, based on this preview. Btw, great illustrations! God bless you and may this film be watched by many :)

[@LilacDaisy2]

THIS! Even thought I keep abreast of the horrific prosperity doctrine, I was so confused the first time I watched American Gospel, Christ Alone (less confused the second time, but it still wasn't easy). I kept thinking the P.Preachers' statements were supposed to in line with what the other statements were saying, and I was back-tracking in my mind all the time, missing the next thing said. If the "bad guys" had a certain filter over the screen (blurry edges, a boarder of $$$, or all black & white, etc), it would make for SUCH smoother viewing, for the newbie (or slow ones, like me).

[@enzostark]

Thank God for people like you making this kind of material!

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@Jesusbride515]

I love that analogy!!! I’m going to keep it in mind glory to Jesus.

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@standinginthegap7118]

This is the most beautiful thing that has, is, or ever will be.

[@philomenamensah8987]

“Jesus did not die on the cross so that the father will love us. Jesus died on the cross because the father loves us. “That is the plain fact

[@adritrad4818]

Hermanos podrían poner los subtítulos en español. Soy de Buenos Aires, Argentina. American Gospel, Solo Cristo ha sido de mucha bendición. Muchas gracias. El Señor los bendiga

[@ChristOurKing]

I humbly want to suggest you go watch 'The Curse Motif of the Atonement' by R.C. Sproul.

[@AmericanGospel]

Marvin Paredes powerful sermon. We use a clip from it later in the film.

[@LilacDaisy2]

Thank you! Looking it up next

[@briendoyle4680]

haha

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@ChristOurKing]

@@elizabethbabe7513 That's New Age talk essentially.

[@nehasamuel6301]

Yay Pastor Mike Winger!

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@corinneperegrini6003]

I praise God for the way you denounce the errors and false teaching of the prosperity gospel, word of faith, hypercharismatic and N.A.R movement. I agree with you that there are a lot of abuse of all kinds in the church worldwide. I too had my eyes opened to all those errors, I was spitiritual abused when I decided to leave my fellowship due to doctrinal errors and could no longer stay under their teachings. Your documentary confirmed a lot of what I experienced. I was gullible and had no idea about all the various biblical world view... Last year was a big eye opener year while learning about the different biblical world view. What I discover with God's leading is that even the calvinist reformed movement have some errors. I do like their teaching very much but there are not without mistake themselves. So I praise God for guiding me in Spirit and in Truth and putting some humble teachers on my path, those that are not afraid to admit that they don't know everything all of the time but are prepare to learn and search the bible in its context for truth and eventually admit if the were wrong about something. We must be carefull to remain humble at all time and continue to be teachable. God bless you for what you do, Shalom Below are some links that continue to help me grow in my understanding of God's Word: Pastor Mike Winger: BibleThinker Homepage www.biblethinker.org/ And soteriology101.com/ And www.livingwaters.com/ And reasonsforjesus.com/ And www.getalifemedia.com/ And www.warrenbsmith.com/ And www.allenparr.com/ And calvarychapelkaneohe.com/ www.jdfarag.org/

[@19jacinta88]

12:39 mind blown! and 13:44. Wow. I'd never thought of it like that before.

[@robertnunez422]

Subtitles in spanish please. We need this so much here.

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@onlykingforever2839]

fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the JOY set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” John 10:18

[@ShumSolomonVlogs]

Blessings from Pakistan

[@Jesusbride515]

Glory to Jesus

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@eirikhetland3272]

@American Gospel can you make both films available in Norway too?

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@Iffmeister]

Love Mike, dude is one of the most solid people on the atonement

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@PatricksLesson]

Tony Jones now teaches at Fuller Seminary

[@LilacDaisy2]

Me - 11:44 - watch again (how forgiveness works).

[@sakalaath]

Watch again in case you forgot.

[@LilacDaisy2]

@@sakalaath I'm smiling so hard. :D Thank you. I *had* forgotten about this video. Clicking play

[@koketsomokone2975]

God's judgement is soooooo misunderstood one way or the other. And so is the love of God...

[@aliciasantana5471]

It will be nice to see it on Netflix in australia

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@kingstonlucas3412]

can we get the full version on Netflix please? cause i tried and i was not able to get it there

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@Doormat00]

They didn't mention how God literally divorced his people in Jeremiah. Yet he will re-marry his people, however a husband cannot remarry someone he divorced. Unless the husband dies, then the divorced wife is absolved of her sins.

[@theophilusmaimba9111]

Thank you.

[@enzostark]

Is this going to have subtitles in Spanish, here in youtube?

[@AmericanGospel]

Enzo Stark anyone can add their own subtitles on KZbin. We’re still waiting for a Spanish translation of the whole film.

[@enzostark]

@@AmericanGospel I'm going to try to do so!

[@Ashantia35]

When is the whole movie coming out

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@warrendavid826]

American Gospel why don't you guys post part 2 on the channel

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@silversurfer2703]

What's really sad is not everyone is part of the elect. The non elect cannot and has no desire to submit to Christ .

[@underthesun]

I respect Calvinists ministries and erudition but there is such a thing as free will. Romans 1 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

[@jehu5813]

@@underthesun Romans 8:29-30 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

[@jehu5813]

@@underthesun Free Will is not being argued. we have free will to sin.

[@underthesun]

@@jehu5813 And the freedom to accept the atonement. I thank God that He didn't shun me for a select few and I thank God that I'm not an android.

[@pcpxbotendorastermace9948]

@@jehu5813 Just like we have the free will to make comments here or not.

[@Righttv.]

This is correct so why are we charging the Gospel so people can listen to.

[@Sturnburn772]

They don't take donations so how are they supposed to produce content without capital?

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@joewright9879]

Did you watch this 17 minute video? Did you pay to watch it?

[@ReformedCitizen8939]

Please! Does Anyone know if the American gospel is in Portuguese? Or have Portuguese subtitles?

[@AmericanGospel]

Yes, Portuguese subtitles are available on Vimeo and AGTV. vimeo.com/ondemand/gospel1 watchagtv.com

[@musicalgenie480]

Hey there's is a KZbin channel called nathan who posted this entire movie, Christ Crucified, on KZbin. I figured y'all need to know.

[@martinwyatt4852]

Could you kindly share the link, I really need to watch the full film

[@prudyray]

Romans 1:18 Paul starts the gospel with the wrath of God.

[@toddcote4904]

Their can be no good news without the bad news. Otherwise their is no news.

[@prudyray]

@@toddcote4904 I was supposed to comment this in the #MonsterGodDebate video. And yes it's not Gospel if it does not mention the wrath of God.

[@auntpurl5325]

They want to deny their own sin natures. They want to create a different god. God have mercy.

[@koketsomokone2975]

POWERFUL!

[@michaelleong1977]

Excellent

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@ml5394]

Why can I not watch these movies in Canada? Really frustrating. I used to be able to, but now they're banned.

[@AmericanGospel]

Does vimeo work for you? vimeo.com/ondemand/christcrucified

[@AmericanGospel]

Our films are available on Amazon and iTunes in the US, Japan, Germany, and the UK. All other countries are by invitation only (meaning Canada is either blocking it or not interested). But Vimeo should work for you.

[@joewright9879]

@M L this documentary has been banned by the Canadian government? Banned?

[@eddiebrown6035]

Voddie B!!

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@walteryoung2025]

I've always hated that train analogy, it's not the Gospel at all. It's nothing more than emotional clap trap.

[@dakotafrantz4179]

JESUS IS LORD

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@dakotafrantz4179]

ALLISTAIR BEGG!!!!!

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[@theologian1456]

Not available where i am 😫

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@tabletalkwithtavai]

These people are misuing scripture to make their point. Paul said in Galations who has bewitched you. Paul said he who no sin became sin. Philipians 2 is what they are missing. Paul wrote saying even though he was God he humbled himm

[@joeljose6085]

Any idea Who sang the song at 16:46 time , When I Survey the wondrous Cross? That really spoke to me.

[@AmericanGospel]

Joel Jose Alisa Childers

[@denonjoka8848]

Thanks American Gospel *4 This Powerful, Blessed Documentary 4 I Agree One 💯% With Pst. Voddie Baunchman, Pst. Paul Washer & Pst. Steven Lawson Where They Say That Our Great Lord Jesus Christ Volunteered Himself 4 Us Where I Say That If We Read John **3:17** Where Our Great Lord Jesus Christ Says That He Wasn't Sent 2 The World 2 Condemn The World But The World Thru Him Might Saved Where Even Apostle Paul Writes It In Romans 5:8 That Our Great Almighty God Commandeth His Love Towards Us That While We Were Yet Still Sinners, Christ Died 4 Us* 4 Our Great Almighty God Sent His Only Begotten Son Who Is Our Great Lord Jesus Christ That Whoever Believes In Him Should Not Perish But Have Everlasting Life Written In John 3:16 4 I Say That It Wasn't Child Abuse By Our Great Almighty God 4 It Began During The Time of Abraham When He Wanted 2 Sacrifice His Son Isaac That Our Great Almighty God Sent Him The Lamb 2 The Time of Moses When He Sprinkled Doors With Blood 4 The Angel of Light 2 Come As King David Prophesied The Death of Our Great Lord Jesus Christ In Psalms 22 & Prophet Isaiah In Isaiah 53 4 I Can't Wait 4 The Nxt American Gospel Documentary on The Word of Faith Prosperity Gospel While I Say That May Our Great Lord Jesus Christ Bless Yu American Gospel So Very Much 4 Our Great Almighty God Had Let Our Great Lord Jesus Christ Die 4 Our Great Lord Jesus Christ So We May Have Grace By Salvation & Thru His Love 4 Us 4 We Love Him Because He First Loved Us Written In 1st John 4:19.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@juanestopinan3250]

All these human reasonings are missing or denying the crucial fact:Jesus IS GOD!..this death he suffered was to be able to forgive sins done against HIMSELF! They are looking at Jesus as just human. Their foundation is sand

[@palmerthepilgrim3382]

Its a little fishy that this info is being sold for money... Matthew 6:24

[@AmericanGospel]

First, we made the most important part of the film free ^ (Also, see question #2: www.americangospelfilm.com/faq.html )

[@palmerthepilgrim3382]

@@AmericanGospel 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

[@Pyroverbs205]

thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn... Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

[@joewright9879]

@@palmerthepilgrim3382 you sound like a Pharisee. If you don’t want to pay for the entire documentary after having watched 17 minutes for free then don’t rent or buy. Walk away. If you attend a church service and receive the true, unvarnished Word of the Most High God from a humble servant, do you believe that you are under no obligation to give something to show gratitude and obedience to God? Troll.

[@loganbrown3565]

Every Abrahamic religion is based on the story of Abraham being told that child sacrifice, rape and enslavement is strictly an abomination. That's why Judaism, Christianity and Islamism still exists to this day after centuries of warfare. That's why the global 1% continue to make currency the deciding factor of class and trade. That's why all media and government rulers are involved with Central banking. It's why majority shareholders and industry tycoons make obscene profits on child slavery across the world, and why every working class people must go on labor strike to their nations capital and revolt against currency, warfare and slave trafficking.

[@susanhermes3135]

Please warn of the vivid imagery in the dying son clip - my child was almost traumatised by that scene.

[@joewright9879]

Good grief

[@JamesGaoist]

That bridge train illustration is blasphemous and was totally used by those who don’t know God.

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@HearGodsWord]

How?

[@JamesGaoist]

@@HearGodsWord because it’s love. not child abuse.

[@HearGodsWord]

@@JamesGaoist In what way?

[@JamesGaoist]

@@HearGodsWord because God loves the people of the world so Jesus was sent as the atonement, as the Savior. I’m saying it’s through God’s love and not because of cosmic child abuse. That idea is wrong.

[@robertlagennusa5521]

Close but no cigar, so then God is punishing Himself for our sins. The Cosmic Law of Justice is NOT more powerful then God. This justice stuff is from the medieval justice system and Roman justice system. God is All LOVE. Souls can learn their harsh lessons in other ways. We are children of Abraham of the promise. Not children of Moses of the Law. St. Paul said we made an idol of the Law. God is all Love.

[@nikkipislaan7045]

My mind blown moment when reading the book of John. Jesus was created before us. Jesus is before us all. God knows all and sees all. God and Jesus knew all along what was to come and what will be. That IS love now and forever. Thank you Lord and savior!

[@missmarissagmunro]

Jesus is not a created being. Jesus is the eternally existing, self-sufficient God, the second person of the Triune Godhead.

[@nikkipislaan7045]

@@missmarissagmunro that's not what I said.

[@joewright9879]

@@nikkipislaan7045 I’m looking at your comment. You said, “Jesus was created before us.”

[@taylorharbin3948]

God's love, according to the world: "You've sinned, but I'm just going to ignore it because I love you so much." God's love, according to the Bible: "You've sinned, and I cannot tolerate sin. You ought to be severely punished. However, I love you so much I will provide a way for you to be reconciled to me IF you repent."

[@dakotafrantz4179]

MIKE WINGER!!!!!!

[@saulcuello9622]

Free Will is real .... God Wills that all men be saved ... God is not Willing that any should perish .... Whosoever will trust in Jesus Crucified will be Saved from GOD's HOLY WRATH...

[@Fiscacondaniel]

The British people have gone astray

[@LilacDaisy2]

Heartbreaking to read Spurgeon's prayers, where he's crying out for England.

[@georgesiriban9450]

Paul washer!

[@elizabethbabe7513]

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[@timothytrudgen8881]

This would be funny if it wasnt Christian's fighting with Christians. Strawman arguements all around. Why dont you listen to each other instead of fights for your limited view. I understand penal substitution, and it weakness. It does not explain well how the father sacrifices in the death of Christ without strange and complex interpretation of the Trinity. It is a metphor for the mystery of the mechanism of the cross. There are several other metaphors that explain what happen (ransom, atonning lamb). We dont have to accept your metaphors of a God who it trapped by his own laws as judge and government to make payment. Its not about which metaphor is right, its about which helps us understand something we can never fully understand. Time to build unity, not demand all come under one interpretation of scripture.

[@AmericanGospel]

No, it’s Christians correcting the false teaching of non-Christians. Much of the arguments you’re trying to describe are articulated in the full film.

[@timothytrudgen8881]

@AmericanGospel So the people who follow Christ but do not accept your view of atonement are not Christians? That means salvation comes from belief in Christ and right theology. We all accept Christ died for our sins. Why are the writers of this doco so much better at understanding truth? Perhaps neither side can see the multifaceted mystery of God?

[@AmericanGospel]

@@timothytrudgen8881 we accept that there are multiple angles to view the atonement (ransom, penal substitution, victory, moral influence, etc.) but believe that when you reject penal substitution, you reject the core of the gospel. The people in this film reject a God who is just (who will by no means leave the guilty unpunished), yet is compassionate and gracious, and willing to forgive sins (it’s both/and, not either/or). He does this by taking that justice upon Himself in the person of Christ. People who reject this usually don’t understand who God is, or how great their sin is to a Holy God. There is no middle ground position. God isn’t trapped by his own laws, His own laws are a reflection of who He is! We cannot have unity with people who deny essentials of the gospel, and who consider the God we love to be a moral monster.

[@AmericanGospel]

@@timothytrudgen8881 the statement “we all accept that Christ died for our sins” is not true. People have different meanings for that.

[@ReadDaGospel]

Wtf kind of terrible teaching was the train the son and the father.

[@theunknownpreacher9833]

The blasphemy that comes from both sides is monumental and colossal in its stupidity and ignorance. Look at what happened on the cross and try to see the Glory hidden there..

[@knowledgeispower6732]

The Trinity and Paul are not inspired by Yahuah most high.

[@AmericanGospel]

Pagan gods demand that the people appease the deity. The Christian God appeased Himself.

[@SojournerDidimus]

I'm not sure what you refer to by "this". I recognize that in both American Gospel documentaries it's not really clear which speaker is the orthodox and which is the heterodox teacher. In other words, unless you already know what the documentary is wanting to convey, it's hard to know when they are putting forth an argument for our against that message. The orthodox doctrine is in there, but you need to watch carefully, and maybe even watch it a second time to understand what the message really is.

[@knowledgeispower6732]

@@SojournerDidimus WILL DO

[@knowledgeispower6732]

@@AmericanGospel For I witness to everyone hearing the words of the nebuah of this book: If anyone adds to them, YAHUAH shall add to him the plagues that are written in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this nebuah, YAHUAH shall take away his part from the Book of Hai, and out of the qodesh city, which are written in this Book.” (Revelation/Hazon 22:18-19) 666 IS A VIOLATION OF SCRIPTURE: The Scriptures declares over and over the false messiah is not an actual “man” but an IMAGE of a man that is false. This “image” will be a “beast/pig.” The false messiah is an image of the Messiah that isn’t true, it is a false image of a man that never lived or existed in any way but was created by men at the Council of Nicaea and given a name that literally means “Beast/Pig of the Earth” in Latin. That image was given the name IHS - Jesus H. Christ “ΙΗΣΟUΣ”. A pagan g-d composed of 3 pagan g-ds Hesus/Zeus, Horus, and Krishna known today as Jesus H. Christ. IT IS AN IMAGE, NOT A REAL MAN. No exposition of the false messiah would be complete without exposing the name of the beast and the symbol of his name. We are misled by the Christian Church to believe the mark of the beast is 666 when actually it is the spiritual mark of the Trinity. In reality, the numbers 666 has nothing to do with anything at all! John/YAHuchanan didn’t write down a “number,” he wrote down the 3 Greek letters of the symbol for Jesus H. Christ. Below is what Revelation 13:18 looks like in Greek: “Εδω ειναι η σοφια οστις εχει τον νουν, ας λογαριαση τον αριθμον του θηριου, διοτι ειναι αριθμος ανθρωπου και ο αριθμος αυτου ειναι χξς.” (translate) “Here is wisdom whoever has the mind, we figured the number of the beast: for it is man's number and that number is chxs.” (Rev. 13:18) It is not a number, it is a SYMBOL! The number 666 in English is misleading as it only represented the gematria or the associated number of what YAHuchanan actually wrote in Greek letters χ, ξ, ς (Chi, Xi and Sigma). Translators converted the Greek letters χξς into the number 666 because they mistranslated the meaning of the Greek word arithmos in Rev. 13 as “number.” They subtracted χξς and added 666. They should never have changed the SYMBOL to a number! The Translators should have left this ‘symbol’ in English χξς so that at “the time of the end” we would recognize the mark, the monogram, and the pictogram. The number 666 has nothing to do with what YAHuchanan actually wrote as he didn’t write down a number but a SYMBOL. We arrived at our English translation of Revelation 13 by uninspired translators and scribes who did not posses the “wisdom” and spiritual “insight” YAHuchanan said was required, leaving us all subsequently in the dark until now. YAHUCHANAN SAW THE SYMBOL χξς NOT A NUMBER What YAHuchanan was shown in Revelation 13 was a vision of the mark, the symbol of the serpent, the pictogram, and the monogram of Jesus H. Christ. YAHuchanan did not see nor write a number. The symbol YAHuchanan saw was a symbol for Jesus H. Christ which is called a Christogram. A Christogram is a monogram or combination of Greek letters that forms an abbreviation for the name of Jesus Christ, traditionally used as a Christian symbol. Christogram comes from the Latin phrase "Christi Monogramma,” meaning "monogram of Christ.” Different types of Christograms are associated with the various traditions of Christianity. The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that XS is one of the standard Christograms: www.newadvent.org/cathen/07649a.htm IHS A monogram of the name of Jesus Christ. From the third century the names of our Saviour are sometimes shortened, particularly in Christian inscriptions (IH and XP, for Jesus and Christus). In the next century the "sigla" (chi-rho) occurs not only as an abbreviation but also as a symbol. From the beginning, however, in Christian inscriptions the nomina sacra, or names of Jesus Christ, were shortened by contraction, thus IC and XC or IHS and XPS for Iesous Christos. YAHuchanan “saw” in his vision one of those “different types of monograms” or symbols of Jesus Christ. There are many Christograms used throughout history and all of them use different combinations of the Greek letters in Christos ΧΡΙΣΤΟS. The monogram that YAHuchanan wrote down is unique using the Greek letter that symbolizes the serpent ξ. YAHuchanan used the first and last Greek letters in ΧΡΙΣΤΟS (the most commons symbol in history for Jesus Christ) with the letter sigma ξ in the middle: χξς Throughout history, the name Jesus Christ has been represented by symbols not numbers as YAHuchanan demonstrated by writing down the symbol χξς in Revelation Chapter 13:18. As indicated above, the Catholic Encyclopedia admits that these Christograms are symbols not numbers. Throughout history, the Christian Church has used various combinations of Greek letters in Christos ΧΡΙΣΤΟS to represent Jesus Christ as SYMBOLS; it does not and has never used 666 or numbers. Sometimes we see letters in Christos in combination with letters from other titles used as the monogram for “Jesus Christ.” For instance, the famous chi-rho monogram, a symbol which became part of the official standard of the emperor Constantine, was made from the first two letters of Christos ΧΡΙΣΤΟS. Other symbols use the first and last letter ΧΡΙΣΤΟS, or just the first Χ, and so on. Most versions of the Christogram that use letters in the Greek word for Christ (ΧΡΙΣΤΟS), the one YAHuchanan saw too represents the first and last letters in Christos ΧΡΙΣΤΟS or XS. XS is one of the most common Christograms throughout history which in medieval times was written as XC as C was used for the Greek letter Sigma. Anytime we see XC in paintings or murals that is equivalent to XS today as we now use S for the letter Sigma. The letters in a Christogram can be combined with other symbols as well to make the Christogram more meaningful. Like the one Constantine used, which is still being used today on the pagan altar of the Catholic Church and other Christian structures. The Christogram that YAHuchanan used in Revelation portrayed the most famous monogram for Christos (ΧΡΙΣΤΟS) with the Egyptian pagan mystery symbol of the serpent ξ in the middle to give it more meaning. The sea serpent is identified In Revelation 13:1 as the “beast coming out of the sea” or sea serpent and is the source of the power, authority, and throne of the false messiah. So when identifying that beast (the false messiah), YAHuchanan used the first and last letters of Christos (ΧΡΙΣΤΟS) with the symbol of the serpent ξ in the middle. The universal symbol for the serpent throughout the ages and throughout cultures is a serpent in an upright coil. What YAHuchanan was telling us by using the standard monogram for Jesus Christ or ΧS is that the “sea serpent” or the dragon would be the source of the power, great authority and throne of the false messiah by inserting the symbol of the serpent ξ in between them! This is exactly what the Apostle Sha’ul told us: “The coming of THE LAWLESS ONE (the one in whom the Law is abolished: i.e. Jesus Christ) is according to the working of Satan (the spirit behind the false messiah is the serpent), with all power and signs and wonders of falsehood, and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, in order for them to be saved.” (2 Thessalonians 2:9-10)

[@AmericanGospel]

​@@knowledgeispower6732 your knowledge of the anti-Christ and end times isn't worth anything if you think that the true Christ and His penal substitutionary atonement is pagan.

[@briendoyle4680]

Now let's tell you a story about a man named Jesus: A god assaulted, by proxy, inseminated a 'virgin' named Mary, in order to bring his son incarnate into our world. A cowardly action... Mary and her fiance?, ....Joseph, had to travel to Bethlehem to register for the census. There Mary gave birth to a son of a god.? God put a star in the sky to guide people to the baby? In a dream God told Joseph to take his family to Egypt. Then this God stood by and watched as Herod killed thousands and thousands of babies in Israel in an attempt to kill Jesus. (wow!) As a man, God's son claimed that he was God incarnate: "I am the way, the truth and the life," he said. This man performed many 'miracles'. He healed lots of sick people. He turned water into wine. These miracles prove that he is God? Miracles?? But he was eventually given the death sentence and killed by crucifixion. His body was placed in a tomb. But three days later, the tomb was empty. And the man, alive once again but still with his wounds (so anyone who doubted could see them and touch them), appeared to many people in many places. Then he ascended into heaven and now sits at the right hand of his god the father almighty, never to be seen again. Today you can have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus. You can pray to this man and he will answer your prayers. He will cure your diseases, rescue you from emergencies, help you make important business and family decisions, comfort you in times of worry and grief, etc. This man will also give you eternal life, and if you are good he has a place for you in heaven after you die. The reason we know all this is because, after the man died, four people named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote accounts of the man's life. Their written attestations are proof of the veracity of this story. This is the story of a Jesus. "" Do you believe this story? You are Delusional !!~! *However any debate on this is useless - since a god needs to be proven - First. However, .... any debate on this is useless, since a god needs to be proven - First. FIRST !!!

[@briendoyle4680]

@@arqeph.private Silly rants do NOT prove any gods.... and who cares about some dead gay hippy from some lying village tramp...

[@briendoyle4680]

@@arqeph.private Such hypocrisy from the fascists of religious tyranny!! Prove your goddamned god OR shut up the nonsense...

[@briendoyle4680]

@@arqeph.private Prove your goddamned god OR shut up the nonsense rants...