Cosmic Era History Part 1: Pre-Bloody Valentine War

[@Truenofan86]

"War Crimes, War Crimes, Stolen Equipment and look! The people pop like balloons!"-Cosmic Era Abridged.

[@TacComControl]

Pre-SEED Cosmic Era abridged: "Earth is a dick. No, earth is a MAJOR dick. Also the world religions decided to be REALLY dickish."

[@elenorefangirl3389]

You forgot the blatant bigotry.

[@DouglasGoins-tr1cq]

Lol

[@brettwood1351]

@@TacComControl And every time they decide to try being dicks to the coordinators in the plants, it backfires spectacularly.

[@TacComControl]

@@brettwood1351 yep. Though counterpoint, CE during Seed: Zala ruins everything because he tried to make it all about him

[@shadowdarter]

you know why a space colony was dropped on the Oceania union, it was because they saw a spider, and after everything the spider still lived and was slightly annoyed

[@Matanumi]

Ahem....wrong timeline

[@mikegomintong8856]

Rau Le Creuset: "George Glenn was humanity's first Coordinator. Do you have any idea how the chaos he caused spread darkness throughout the world? Do you know what people started doing after that?" "They thirsted for knowledge! They sought to fulfill their desires! And ultimately, they forgot why they were doing it. Even as they proclaimed their reverence for human life, they began toying with it, and then they began destroying it!"

[@shiothesaltch.4327]

Rau the best Char clone ever exist.

[@brettwood1351]

@@shiothesaltch.4327 It's just that rants he had at the end. Unhinged but holy shit, did you see how he ended up with the points he had.

[@leonnewkirk1713]

He belongs to the "X Did Nothing Wrong" club or insert "Rau Le Creuset was right"

[@ashockmizer914]

The knowledge of Genetics evolution was corrupted of Greed and Envy People

[@theswappyguy2809]

As someone who has started a Cosmic Era tabletop campaign, this is a god send

[@suhanhwang9988]

Good luck and have fun on that!

[@Plaprad]

Hope yours goes better than the one we had a couple decades ago. Alcohol was involved, things got weird, Kira missed an important battle because he was trapped in a head when the Archangel took a hit. And we kinda started a war between factions of Blue Cosmos. There was a LOT of alcohol involved.

[@arieltimeshrine8137]

Being part of a Cosmic Era tabletop would be a dream come true for me and I'm really happy for you.

[@MaddJakd]

​@@Plaprad This sounds amazing. I need in 😂

[@Wingalpha]

​@Plaprad ...This is amazing ! I neeed to hear more

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

Blue Cosmos the anti-coordinator group started out as environmental group is probably inspired by something Greenpeace did back in '99; they destroyed a field of gmo corn in Norfolk in . The event made headline and wad a landmark legal case at the time

[@niconicokms1424]

Yknow usually when I say zeon did nothing wrong I mean it as a joke but in gundam seed zaft does honestly seem justified with how horrible the alliance and especially blue cosmos treat them

[@kira516]

Fr they (zaft) almost didn't do anything "bad" (Before seed anyway) They even tried helped them the natural holy shit

[@SoulstrikerV]

They only started being the villains we've known after the nuke wiped out their friends and families, and we, the audience, were seated by the anime on the Alliance's side of the field.

[@brettwood1351]

@@SoulstrikerV Yeah, back when Seed was airing, I remember a lot of "Uh, ZAFT are waaay too good compared to the EF." reactions. Until we got to Genesis and Patrick Zala taking over, and then it was "Well guess we'd better figure out who the CE's AEUG is."

[@ArchusKanzaki]

Yeah, I always says that most of ZAFT's action are kinda on boundary of self-defense or pre-emptive action against actual military threat. Even their N-Jammer deployment which you can argue affect civilians and cause widespread energy shortage, are sorta justified because "they got nuked first. and the enemy is pretty determined to nuke them again". Also compared to Zeon which actually tries to conquer Earth and expand its territories, ZAFT only holds comparatively small territories on Earth.

[@brettwood1351]

@@ArchusKanzaki Yes. Not everyone on Earth was onboard with OMNI and the EF's actions. South America tried to straight up leave and got forced back in at gunpoint. I'm not sure ZAFT could hold too much territory if they wanted though. The PLANTs population was tiny.

[@REmasteredSEED911]

I know that the Bloody Valentine incident is already public knowledge to SEED fans by now, but the way you ended this video actually gave me chills. Can't wait for Part 2 and more. Good stuff, my guy.

[@ashockmizer914]

Please also Do AFTER COLONY History Storytime it would be awesome

[@afelias]

1:40 "Lest such a tragedy would again be repeated" oh no... oh, nooo...

[@macyfloof64]

As someone who hasn't watched SEED (yet?), I'm really rooting for ZAFT at this point. But, I'm sure they'll pull out their own war crimes in the next video. Looking forward to it! This is a really good resource, thanks for this and all the Mobile Suit development history videos! I really really love the in-universe perspective you use, as if these are actual mini-documentaries from the CE.

[@MaddJakd]

It gets crazy is all I'll say

[@brettwood1351]

@@MaddJakd There's a reason I was glad the leads in Seed went "Screw both of you, you are crazy, 3rd faction time!"

[@noahsterben5666]

Man if you ever want to pick up another what if series after “Whar if amuro got the Alex” I’d love to see you tackle “what if Kira joined athrun in joining zaft”

[@federationprime]

That would be cool. Might even have a situation similar to that game where Garma can defect from Zeon, starting a split within ZAFT that allows them to become independent and purge extreme elements from both sides.

[@MaddJakd]

Good god! Kira recieving actual military training! I could imagine a custom painted GINN shows up as security to a meeting, and every nation by default just bends the knee to ZAFT's proposals. Their custom fleet shows up and every soldier just flees in terror, unless they have some enhanced folk on their side.

[@bluedestiny2710]

I actually was conceptualizing a story like this for a while, but I was having trouble with the direction of the story so i ultimately dropped it. I wasnt satisfied where it was going beyond the first few chapters... but i think OMNI would be crying: ZAFT too strong! Please Nerf! Imagine if Kira was part of the Le Creusse team in their assault in Heliopolis and successfully captured the Strike. Sure, the Strike wouldnt have the packs (they would unlikely have the time to look for it in the first raid), but that would set OMNI's MS production WAY back... I think the only things that would keep OMNI in the game is their access to beam weaponry and numerical superiority

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

​@@bluedestiny2710 if you included the astray series then it won't be much of set back cuz EA still have hyperion gundam. Also kira will finally face off against unhinged kira

[@brettwood1351]

@@federationprime Damn it, we really need something like Ghiren's Greed for the CE.

[@vustvaleo8068]

also in C.E. 69 Coordinator adult videos were in high demand by Naturals because they are fine specimens.

[@aliastheabnormal]

We're in the middle of space. We have no resources. How do you think we get by? Porn! Quality Coordinator porn! Starring Yzak's mom!

[@APRobertsVII]

@@aliastheabnormalI’m just going to ask the question: have we ever seen Yzak’s dad? Perhaps we know why…

[@Apharmed]

*click* Noice

[@REmasteredSEED911]

You horny . . . But I wouldn't disagree on it

[@brettwood1351]

Blue Cosmos leaders confiscate every bit they can, promising to dispose of it personally.

[@cooperchamberlain196]

For the smartest man in the world at time, George Glenn sure was an idiot for not anticipating ANYTHING like this happening.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

Well... even the smartest person in the world wouldn't be able to predict what would happen next

[@leonnewkirk1713]

Probably due to the fact that he accomplished so much, he had an overly optimistic attitude

[@TerminatorGundam300]

Being intelligent isn’t the same as being wise.

[@ashockmizer914]

Should have started a peaceful rights like the pasifist did

[@OwenConcorde]

I don’t remember you making a video on the pre-UC timeline, but I really enjoy learning about pre-CE stuff since CE of Gundam Seed was my second most favorite timeline from my childhood after the UC.

[@briansilva3765]

I don't think there is much source material regarding pre-UC, or even pre-The Origin age, maybe some weird book or lore on some Gunpla. Though if someone was to know that lore, it would probably be Kakarot.

[@Alpha_Digamma]

I wasn't aware of Blue Cosmos' origin as an environmentalist group...so they're basically Green Peace? Neat.

[@Plaprad]

"For a pure and blue world." Or something like that. I don't keep up with terrorist slogans very much.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

​@@Plapradthe irony thing.... they blowing up Alaska with Gamma Radiation burst 😂😂😂

[@Plaprad]

@@ZeroDarkness- You forget, gamma radiation is zero carbon. A very environmentally friendly WMD.

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

Yeah. As I vaguely recall, it was in late-99 or early 2000 Greenpece activists tried to drstroy some big GMO corn field in the US. This event made the headlines world over and was a sort of landmark event. Fukuda is probbly inspire by that.

[@brettwood1351]

@@Plaprad *&%$ The Bears, they don't appreciate being hugged man!

[@AFlyingEwok]

Every Char clone represents a different facet of the original Char's personality. Rau represents CCA Char in that, after seeing humanity squandering it's great many gifts, decides that we deserve extinction.

[@RACH90810]

Rau actually based on bright noa or hathaway noa.

[@Matanumi]

Rau was his own demon who just happened to wear a dove like mask

[@Joshua_N-A]

I often see Rau as the byproduct of mankind's endless ambitious pursuits of progress.

[@leonnewkirk1713]

We can add Rau to the "Did Nothing Wrong" table or the "X character was Right" club.

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

I want a srw game where CCA char meet Rau

[@doomzilla3568]

Ohhhhhhh boy. Talk about the seeds of anger, hatred, jealously, prejudice being planted before it culminated at the bloody valentine incident and it can only go worse from here........

[@johncailao5209]

In the special edition of the ending of GSD, the intro has Rey narrate the Garden of Eden scene in the Bible. This narration makes that analogy on point. The fruit and the fall of man. The coordinator technology and the flames of war.

[@ashockmizer914]

Sin is the Reason and Evil are the Cause of the Wars

[@jaderabbit898]

The Cosmic Era had to be one of the bloodiest alt timelines out there, especially their advances in Mobile Suit technology. I mean it was already starting at F91 levels before escalating further.

[@draochvar9646]

Yeeeee, shit was rough. I'd say it's not quite as bad as the post-Apocalyptic Trio (Turn-A, Double X and IBO) in terms of "man, this place got fucked"-rating but they really are going at eachother.

[@Okada_Caelun]

Honestly, CE is my favorite Gundam setting... in concept. The execution, on the other hand, leaves quite a bit to be desired.

[@omegaproject6497]

So Many Plot gone Rushing and some references are taken from UC story

[@michaelmontgomery6404]

What I love about Gundam is that, other than the usual greedy or fearful real power players, they stories rarely have a true villainous side. You usually see how each side got to their boiling points in detail.

[@draochvar9646]

That, or the truly villainous stuff is so utterly inhuman that calling them villains is just not very helpful. G-Gundam's Devil Gundam and IBO's Mobile Armours come to mind ...

[@HereticalKitsune]

The intro sounds like modern, current times.

[@aliastheabnormal]

Only infinitely less awesome since we don't have Gundams.

[@miragebangbravern]

You be surprised that Coordinators actually exist already.

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

Well... the post-cold war relative peaceful era we used to live in was an aberration in history. Conflict and chaos, with multiple big empires competing and fighting for power is much more common

[@jamalisujang2712]

​@@miragebangbravern I would be surprised USA or China is not playing with designer babies already in their blacksites. 😂😂😂

[@MaddJakd]

​@@jamalisujang2712 already sounds like "super soldier serums" are a thing, so wouldn't be surprised.

[@logicblock8783]

I'm amused by the whole "generic-sounding coalition of nations, generic-sounding coalition of nations, generic-sounding coalition of nations, and ONE INCREDIBLY SPECIFIC SMALL COUNTRY." Gee, I wonder which one of these will be relevant to the overall plot?

[@xnflg3074]

the one that is TOTALLY NOT JAPAN, of course

[@MaddJakd]

​@@xnflg3074 which is interesting because they thought they could misdirect with it being mildly displaced 😂

[@brettwood1351]

@@MaddJakd And yet having sooo much stuff named for things from Japanese mythology and the like.

[@Joshua_N-A]

The Atlantic Federation could've use the United States of North America (USNA) name though, as Latin America is called US of South America. It's the successor state of Canada and the USA after the Reconstruction War. Mexico and Central America could've become the buffer state between the two. Also Cosmic Era could've use some notes from Ghost in The Shell for the worldbuilding.

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

​@@Joshua_N-A Because Atlantic Federation INCLUDE territories in the Atlantic Ocean. Like Iceland or British Isles. USNA kinda skipped over them.

[@nathantobi]

CE will be prevalent in the upcoming years of the gundam franchise after the success of the seed freedom movie and I'm here for it.

[@brettwood1351]

I could use a break from all the UC projects. And hey, maybe they can actually advance their timeline.

[@draochvar9646]

​@@brettwood1351 I'd honestly prefer them to focus on expanding their AU settings instead of making new ones or handing out more UC stuff. GIMME MY CALAMITY WAR SHOW YOU COWARDS!!!

[@DomitorNoxGaming-v23]

Great vid! This needs a part 2. I need to know how Durandal fits behind the scenes in the early Cosmic Era timeline and how Loli Baba, Aura Khyber fits in the events too. I hope there's info out there. 🥹

[@taikobo6943]

Ngl when I was younger, I thought CE setting was trying hard to look dark. Now I realized how realistic a lot of its concepts and themes are yikes

[@Joshua_N-A]

This is why to this day, I often think that CE *GOT* a whole mountain of potential.

[@draochvar9646]

CE is that timeline that is constantly dancing right at the edge of the Apocalypse and it's our protagonits' jobs to prevent the whole thing from tipping over.

[@kevinlockhart4393]

I've absolutely loved your MS breakdown and lore videos so this is just the icing on the cake dude. I hope you continue to do this for all the other timelines. I would eat every video up.

[@leorojas6390]

So ZAFT started devloping GINNs in CE 65? They were definitely prepared for war a couple years before the bloody valentine tragedy aka the incident on Junius Seven.

[@MaddJakd]

Wouldn't you try to be when your "sponsors" start pointing literal warships at you whenever you try to throw on your big boy britches? (and were being quite oppresive to start with) WWIII wasn't that long ago, and the road was bumpy to get to that point. They knew who they were dealing with.

[@Joshua_N-A]

Si Vis Pacem Parabellum

[@satriahendra1394]

Universal century: Yoo we can use space magic here? After Colony: cool, we have illuminati here. After war: Newtype that, Newtype this. you all delusional one!! Correct Century: war, war never change. Cosmic Era: Lets fuck arround with our gene. Anno domimi: "&$*$&$*@*&×*(". holy shit you are right!! (Or you can insert "Orewa gundam daaa") Advance generation: Jojo mecha's legacy adventure. Post disaster: KIBO WO HANA!!! Ad stella: Capitalist on space 🎉

[@shadowdragonlord96]

You Forgot G Gundam/Future Century

[@ZeroDarkness-]

EXA universe (probably same universe as well with SD Gundam Battle Alliance and G Generation specifically Mark Guilder team) People from other timeline: ONORE EXA!! (since EXA basically Gundam version of DECADE)

[@satriahendra1394]

@@shadowdragonlord96 I haven't watch it because the idea of gundam fight with martial art doesnt get me. But I will watch it, if i have time.

[@nazrulaqmar4891]

Future century : Mma but with gundams

[@brettwood1351]

@@shadowdragonlord96 "Space Magic? Newtypes? Genetic Engineering? Guys just train more!"

[@anwenlokier2292]

1:22 which fun fact in my school vr game is the vacation spot of Mika (the Demonic reincarnation of Mikasuki argus as the Gundam Barbatos Lupus Rex looking demon)

[@blitzyeeter5766]

this helps alot lore wise, was confused by the lore for a while

[@Vortexiiixii]

You know its serious when the outro of Meyrin didn't clasp her hands together.

[@whitewing2]

16:28 CE 53 - Lowe Guele was born It has no major significance to the CE History, but might as well mention it

[@diapason89]

Have you ever suffered from so much success that you plunged the world into chaos? Seriously, all this wouldn't have happened if Glenn kept his mouth shut.

[@reginesaguin1191]

How was he supposed to know that this would happen I mean look at history WW1 would not have happened if the Austrian archduke wasn't killed

[@diapason89]

@@reginesaguin1191 I know I'm saying this in hindsight. But if I were Glenn, I wouldn't reveal that I was an artificially enhanced human at all. The propensity of humans for jealousy and hate is extremely high.

[@rickstein3479]

I'm laughing my ass off how Seed introduced Evidence 01, but never talked about it again.

[@koichijenius]

Right? In any other series it would be a prominent background element at minimum but here it's just a way to talk up George Glenn.

[@sharingansasuke5]

And unfortunately we will never know if there was anything further planned for it, since morosawa passed away

[@Xeno-The-Wanderer]

doesn't really feel like it needs anything, maybe if one wants to pull from the side stories and how they expanded George Glenn especially regarding the AI recreation of him maybe but at that point it's encroaching 00 territory in terms of meaning

[@ZeroDarkness-]

Purrgil sub species that native on milky way galaxy Since Fukuda was Star Wars fanboy He would love to make connections to Galaxy far faraway into his series as much as possible

[@afelias]

To be fair, it was a backdrop piece in Siegel and Patrick discussing the nature of Coordinators. If Siegel had survived the assassination, he would probably have brought up that Coordinators weren't the final step on the evolutionary ladder and there was more to learn. Or maybe it's something he would have said in his broadcasts before he died. Sadly, it just wasn't given enough time. I don't think its inclusion is wasted in that way, or in that it is something to consider in projects like Stargazer. It helped build this overall feeling that there was more positive scientific advancements also going on alongside human genetics and war machines.

[@rChadAvis1103]

Thank you for this video, it is very informative regarding pre-Cosmic Era

[@samm.8052]

I’m surprised how realistic this is. I could almost see this as our future, given what has caused modern unrest. History nerds can probably see more references to historic events than I can, but they clearly did their research on how things have played out in history before writing. I’m impressed.

[@aPopcap]

Very off topic.. but i had a realization earlier today and a question. During the destruction of Artemis, Athrun and Le Creuset both went to the plants to deliver info on the G-weapons and destruction of Heliopolis. Prior to the official meeting, on the shuttle to the PLANT that the meeting would happen, they met chairmen Zala, who had eliminated the details on the report that mentioned a Coordinator (Kira) was the pilot of the Strike. Do you think that Zaft may have been more unprepared had they found out? assuming that the coordinator was the only reason the strike was a threat, thus no longer considering future mobile suits a threat and underestimate the Earth Alliance?

[@yukin1990]

Segeal Cylane would know that fact afterwards after Lucus return to PLANT.....

[@Andrew-qg5js]

@@yukin1990 yes, but the fact is the council wasn't told it was a coordinator, and if it was, wouldn't it kinda seem like it's not a big threat. If they underestimated the Earth Alliance ever having mobile suits because "OH thats the strike, its okay its just a coordinator pilot, the naturals will never be able to pilot like we do", but they went forward thinking that the naturals could not pilot as well as they do.

[@yukin1990]

@@Andrew-qg5js well ....may be you wrong but the Earth Alliance alway having Coordinator fight on the EA side......

[@imran_696]

Duuuude that was EPIC! Especially at the with song Anna Ni Issho Datta No Ni

[@shiothesaltch.4327]

After watching this Video there are 2 thing that I get from this is that: 1) How scary CE world setting is so close to our real world or rather how our current human society is moving / developing toward a future that so similar to CE. Let not forget that SEED started in the early 2000. 2) I can now fully understand why Rau Le Creuset become the man he is. IMO Rau is already the best Char clone that ever exist (And I'll fight anyone to defend this) but with this video just prove that everything he said in SEED make so much more sense, the reason why he seek the extinction of human race as a whole. which also scare me how everything he said about humanity can easily reflect to our current real world situation right now.

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

I once thought everyone in CE was too dramatic and cartoonish evil... Now that I am older and can grasp politics and world events better, well... maybe they dont make the most compelling and complex villains, but there is nothing cartoonish about the evils presented in the show, unfortunately.

[@leonnewkirk1713]

@@eight-cloudspurple5871 After seeing this video, now I see why everyone was so extreme and dramatic. They were at the height of a near century worth of tension, coming out of a period of constant war , famine and pandemics. Everyone's done and empathy has ran dry.

[@XTempestBuster]

Rau was once my "man, he's crazy" character... Now i get it... damn

[@draochvar9646]

I like Rau for what he is but when it comes to Char Clones, I gotta give the top spot to my boi Frontal ... the dude is almost a quite literal Clone of Casval, with uploaded memories and all.

[@andrejg4136]

@@draochvar9646 I like how Full Frontal is presented as an argument against people think a clone would be a perfect duplicate; he might have been a copy-paste of Casval but he still wasn't Casval in all respects. (Something crossover games take special care to point out when necessary, like Super Robot Wars)

[@cjv-x10a4]

Poor George Glenn. He had no idea how bad he done GOUFed.😅

[@FOXZILLA5734]

​​@Nix91 He had good intentions thinking announcing his origins would bring a more positive outlook but unfortunately for him he was so naive in that call that instead it brought the worst out of humanity instead.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@FOXZILLA5734 people have long assumed that the political philosophy pessimists were wrong when the reality is... they're closer to the money than we realize.

[@cjv-x10a4]

@Nix91 That makes me wonder what the world would look like if George didn't release the information? I'm thinking it would be an aristocracy, run by coordinator nobles, possibly seeing naturals as lower humans.

[@MaddJakd]

​@Nix91if you see how his AI acts in Astray, na. Man thought he was helping humanity. One of the gems. Sadly, we were all STILL a bunch of prejudice pricks. Just needed something new to hate on. WWIII only tempered that for a moment.

[@cjv-x10a4]

​@@FOXZILLA5734 For a genius, the man clearly doesn't know much on social politics. Even geniuses can be naïve in certain fields.

[@thegreataggron]

Lets go, ive been looking forward to stuff like this

[@MasakiHana]

I wonder what made cloning illegal in the Cosmic Era? Unlike Coordinators, clones are deemed more illegal to the point that no one but the clones themselves talk about it.

[@brettwood1351]

Considering that clones all have the shortened Telemere's issue, and tend to die young, that might be it. Interesting when clones in UC and Ad Stella don't seem to have that problem. I just find it fascinating looking at the various differences in technology across the settings.

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

@@brettwood1351 I kinda assume Hibiki just gave Al a hack job, something that "delivers" the product but obviously was not made with care. The carbon humans in side stories dont seem to have such issue(or atleast its never talked about). That, or Hibiki dont have the right equipment for the job perhaps.

[@trollinoakenshield9822]

Actually al himself ordered his clones to have accelerated growth. There are also socius series (the seed clone trooper) which don't have any defect.

[@SCComega]

​@brettwood1351 which is weird, given the genetic engineering capabilities of the era, you'd think someone cloning would take the step to genefix before implanting the DNA into an egg.

[@RPN_07]

Your voice is so relaxing I want this to continue to other timeline too.

[@Aptarus]

Thanks for the extensive chronological recap. For some details I was wondering where they came from (as I couldn't remember learning about them in Seed, Destiny or Stargazer. Or Freedom) (Astray never came here and I haven't had Seed games between my hands either). What's the list of sources you used?

[@EB01]

Great collection of the historical background / world-building. It might have to be an entire video on its own (if not already done), but lore of the Orb Union (from just the shows) is a bit lacking in some reasons for how Orb came to be. The Orb Union felt like it was "punching above its weight, and then also using a mobile suit" for just how "on steroids" it felt. Orb, as a small nation, had economic and scientific prowess that felt almost impossible. Was it the space port and Heliopolis for the economic strength? Their Coordinator-friendly status for having a very strong basis for making great scientific achievements?

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

It is canon that Orb's success was partly due to coordinators. Oceania is also more lenient on coordinators as a way to improve its economy and industry, according to lore books.

[@draochvar9646]

Orb punching above it's weight is a twofold matter. For one, they heavily leaned on the abilities of Coordibators without the usual hiccups the sponsor nations had. For another, they were an early investor into all things space and held the exclusive rights to one of the earliest full-on colonies.

[@ilkoderez601]

This is really good content. Thanks!

[@ZeroDarkness-]

And when you realize COORDINATOR project is basically almost the same with Star Trek Project Khan that created Augmented human (likely it's inspired from there) The original Augments were designed to be remarkably agile, roughly five times stronger and more durable than an average Human, resistant to sickness and with enhanced senses, possessing heart muscles twice as strong and lung efficiency fifty percent better. Their blood contained platelets capable of regenerating from any disease or toxin, which could be used to cure or revive medical subjects via transfusion The Augments were also intellectually as well as physically enhanced, with their intelligence being double that of normal Humans Where part of curing with blood didn't used in COORDINATOR And Khan Noonien Singh get introduced in Star Trek TOS Space *SEED*

[@Joshua_N-A]

For some reason, Exosquad comes to mind.

[@zgmfx-09a]

Jesus christ finally a good seed video

[@IceSki117]

Yay, background entertainment listening to my favorite Gundam timeline.

[@jamalisujang2712]

Crazy how small ORB is considerimg their impact on the setting. 😂😂😂

[@ZeroDarkness-]

Well.... it's basically 🇨🇭 in real life

[@716_ハディくん]

Switzerland of Seedverse

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

I mean, is it really that crazy? A small collection of islands west of France on e ran the biggest Empire on Earth where the sun never sets.

[@labbit35]

To be fair, UK is pretty small geologically yet made probably the most impact on the establishment of modern countries n stuff

[@draochvar9646]

They also didn't mistreat their Coordinators and invested into space colonization early, so there's reasons why they can pull those stunts.

[@ashockmizer914]

16:40 some of the Leak series in destiny show's that it was kiber Jibril who did the murders Deed on Geroge Glenn and Kira's parents.

[@laynie520]

Been reading about the CE timeline and pre CE! Thanks for the video!!

[@mindwipe8788]

What if Newtypes appeared in the Cosmic era around the same time as creation of Coordinators?

[@MaddJakd]

Good question? They had the Mobius here so "they" were there at least as long.

[@brettwood1351]

@@MaddJakd There's a possibility that there are newtypes. Since the La Flaga family have the hightened spatial awareness. And Kira had the Newtype flash a few times. And let's not forget the SEED factor, and whatever it's deal is.

[@MaddJakd]

@brettwood1351 I thought "Newtypes" were pretty much set in stone as is lol. They just aren't at the center of things. Hence the Mobius fleet, them making things like the Gunbarrel pack and Providence as if they're just accepted them and they noticed those two, at the least, had those abilities (not to mention the Al / Mu clones that are running around. It really is like they've been there for a while and aren't really of note unless their militaries notice and 'exploit' their fighting prowess)

[@ZeroDarkness-]

​@@brettwood1351newtype definitely exist but it's existence foreshadowed by COORDINATOR We already seen few of them like Rau le creuset,Mwu la flaga,Prayer Reverie,Kira yamato and Morgan chevalier

[@ashockmizer914]

Then It would be Canon to the universal Century time line

[@MaddJakd]

Things seem to move quite fast in the Cosmic Era (and leading up to it) Makes sense though when you have genetic super humans working on scientific progress. Now if only the detractors would get that lol

[@JayDay01]

I just started a rewatch of seed just hit episode 3 so this came at the perfect time

[@KudaGeatsune3821]

A history lesson I'll actually enjoy~

[@adin_3360]

And then the first bloody valentine begin

[@ashockmizer914]

By Hateful people

[@heavyarms55]

Was Patrick Zala a first generation coordinator? What did he think of his natural parents? In fact, why wasn't the relationship between natural parents and coordinator children really examined in any depth?

[@sharingansasuke5]

George Glenn the GOAT

[@laynie520]

Can’t wait for Part 2!

[@ashockmizer914]

The Bloody Valentine War would also be a War between the Space noids and Spacenoids and Earthnoids and Earthnoids as the Sphere Noid Civil War's

[@fauxvier8519]

If only they spent a good chunk of the 2nd half of SEED showing glenn's life...

[@Joshua_N-A]

An OVA miniseries could work.

[@sheakone]

Thanks for the education!

[@ashockmizer914]

The Attack on Chicago Labs in the Atlantic Federation was never brought to justice until the war started and Ended.

[@Revenge221]

Just wanted to include that the Atlantic Federation also includes Mexico, the top parts of Latin America, the West Indies, and some islands in the Pacific too. I believe Panama was the borderline between the Atlantic Federation and the USSA. Don't want to exclude half the Federation's people there. :P

[@f.b.l.9813]

i've always thought Orb was Japan.... we never really saw any maps in the Anime, at least none that I remember and the only geographical hint we got was a single line of dialogue from one of Kira's classmates in the earlier episodes saying Orb is near Taiwan or something like that, so I assumed it was Japan since you know.... anime.

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

I am pretty sure it was supposed to be Japan before it was move to somewhere in the South Pacific. After all it was a hot button issue post-9/11 of whether Japan(Orb) should send troops even just in support role to help America(Alliance) fight terrorists(ZAFT) in the Middle East. Bit of a political commentary.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

​@@eight-cloudspurple5871orb actually based on Indonesia situation in 1950s when they didn't joining Allies sides or Soviet sides that remain neutral (even though buying weapons from both sides)

[@TheWarmachine375]

"Stay a while and listen." - Kakarot197 probably

[@morepenguins6247]

oh god the spiders oh god the spiders oh god the spiders oh god the spiders oh god the spiders

[@VRHyoumaru]

You ever get the feeling Seed's setting is a total crapsack of a universe in spite of the pretty anime aesthetic?

[@impreza0109]

UC is the worst offender IMO

[@VRHyoumaru]

​@@impreza0109this is true, but compared to UC Gundam shows, Seed is much "prettier", like Hiraiface really does it no favors as far as getting the intended tone across, unless all coordinators looked like prettyboys and miss universes while Naturals looked straight out of Gundam 0079, which would be pretty jarring.

[@arael3702]

@@VRHyoumaru well because they can modified it lol, most of coordinator is pretty boy and girl

[@pergys6991]

Yeah Seeds world building is utter dogshit. Like the Naturals are made out to be the ultimate bad guys while the Coordinators are either victims of Natural hate crimes or uber good people. Thats not even mentioning the insane tech development where Seed compresses almost 50-60 years of UC tech development into less than 10 years. Seed really from having the Zaku equivalent come out in CE 68 and by CE 71-72, they have beam shields. Where it took UC a good 60 years before they got to that stage. And thats not even mentioning the utter wank that is Orb. Its the equivalent of having Hawaii and its adjacent islands being world powers. UC world building may be confusing but Seed world is acrually horrible.

[@jamalisujang2712]

​@Nix91hair color is just anime trope.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

It would be funny if the first Agamemnon ship was captained by person that had last name "Sheridan" (Would be great reference of Babylon 5 with Agamemnon, Earth Alliance and Sheridan) It would be perfect since in Babylon 5 John Sheridan beat Minbari Sharlin class Black Star with Nuke(Nuclear Mines) Which really fitting if Earth Alliance had Agamemnon Captain named with Sheridan

[@Raso719]

SEED really is a story of how nepotism and rich ass holes with an IRL character make everything that already sucks much, MUCH worse.

[@CHAOS676767]

Wow this sctually was a fun turning point for seed aside from our standard independence cry from UC Era, the one thing that kept gripping at me throughout the video was the Earth's support Nation control on "Food" like everytime i heard it, it infuriated me on how fucking greedy and outrageous they were. At first glance i saw the Zaft as potentially over aggressive because of Paticks Zalas hatred for losing his Wife but after you're more detailed explaination. MAN! Zaft was almost just as justified as Zeon (aside some Zabi's). Rau's speech in the End now hits even harder knowing this little details....

[@El_Hectornauta]

Yes, more lore videos. I need them.

[@AtaeruCDX]

Never watched Seed. But it feels like Zaft/Coordinators are unequivocally the side you're supposed to be rooting for...

[@Plaprad]

Yeah..... About that......

[@AtaeruCDX]

@@Plaprad I figured it would be the case since they're the Zeon proxy. I'm just commenting on what's present here.

[@RACH90810]

​@@AtaeruCDXthey are more EFSF because similar count acronym.

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

Well they definitely are at first... However they start to have their own extremistsbas te conflict and racism intensifies.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

​@@RACH90810true Zaft is look like Zeon but their personality more to EF (like refuse to use nuclear weapons at first) Meanwhile EA is look like EF but in personality they are Titans aka Feddies version of Zeon

[@Nomadic_Gaming]

me hearing how this timeline sounds really familiar to irl timeline “un gets wiped out” oh GOD let us be on this timeline please let us be heading to cosmic era timeline

[@chheinrich8486]

Whoever came up with the hourglass shape colonies, that’s the least efficient use of materials for a space colony in my opinion 😅

[@tomhossain2099]

I never understood why zaft were the bad guys. Zeon, I get, they were co opted by fascists, but zaft doesn’t make much sense as an enemy to me. I do need to *finish* seed though

[@Joshua_N-A]

If anything, SEED showed the dangers of radicalism and extremism. The Zala led radical faction increasingly becoming identical to BC-led Earth Alliance as the series progress. To me, ZAFT won once the EA lunar base is destroyed. Patrick was too blind and can only see enemies and orders the GENESIS to set target on Earth. Even the soldiers in the control room doesn't seem okay with it. The colonies were thought to be the last bastion of safety for the Coordinators, so yeah, Junius 7 was the last straw. Earth's inability to curb Blue Cosmos' influence and radicalism is its biggest failure and thus paid the price.

[@TheGreatPinkPillow27]

The coordinators will always have the sadness back story of all of gundam.😭💔 I just want to give them the hug they deserve.😢❤️💙💗💜

[@dustybunny6716]

Man, makes me wanna support Coordinators.

[@fanusobscurus]

So... did they ever do anything with the alien whale skeleton? Like, did it ever become relevant? Or was it just more reasons for people to wanna murder everything in space?

[@leonnewkirk1713]

Funny enough 00 Gundam did more with Seed material than Seed did

[@crigonalgaming1258]

It's more of a metaphor or symbol of the entire Cosmic Era conflict that looms in the background. It is used as a symbol by the Coordinator upper hierarchy that it is the evolution of the human race. And if you watched the SEED Freedom movie, the metaphor is still there.

[@APRobertsVII]

I think knowing the lore is important in order to fully understand the motivations of the Earth Alliance. Too many people chalk them up to simple racism. Yes, racism and the fear of “other” plays a part, but economics are perhaps the largest factor at play. The PLANTs were expensive investments for the Alliance that return huge profits. By declaring independence, ZAFT is effectively attempting to assume ownership of these investments for free, basically stealing untold sums of invested money and potential profit from the Sponsor Nations. We understand why ZAFT is attempting to do this, but we should also understand and acknowledge the economic disaster granting their request would cause the Sponsor Nations which rely on them. It would be akin to a group of sovereign citizens demanding the USA cede control of California (the world’s fifth largest economy in some years) to them in exchange for effectively nothing. The USA already has California and benefits from its trade, so why would it give it up for free and agree to less favorable trade deals? The Sponsor Nations already have exclusive rights to the PLANTs they paid for, so why would they let the PLANTs declare independence and negotiate non-exclusive, less profitable trade deals with them? Why would they agree to compete for what is theirs? Anyway, sorry for the long rant. I just find the Cosmic Era history pre-SEED much more interesting than most will acknowledge. I think understanding it does a lot for people’s perception of the series.

[@716_ハディくん]

sounds racism to me

[@granmastersword]

good points, but that said the Earth Alliance was practically doing the same thing the Earth Federation did to their space colonies in UC: treating them and the people they basically forced to migrate there as labor workers to exploit for their privileges, all the while not doing anything for them in exchange of making all those products they depended on. One of the big reasons the PLANTs wanted to become independent was that the Earth Alliance did nothing at all to protect the people making all their stuff for trading and consumption from those anti-coordinator terrorist attacks, threatening their live hood. Can't really feel ok working on the manufacturing of goods when you are at a constant fear that some extreme groups would come in and kill you and the people you care brutally simply cuz your parents wanted you to have genetic advantages

[@kira516]

So....... Racism?

[@Joshua_N-A]

​@@granmastersword in 00, the EF wants to deport any unwanted persons to space colonies. It's as if as they wanted to create a space prison colony.

[@calvinstraveldreams]

Economics also play a part in anti-Coordinator resentment, in that when you have a small subset of humanity that is altered to be stronger/faster/smarter/etc. compared to everyone else, said individuals end up monopolizing well-paying jobs, both as employees and entrepreneurs--and because the alterations are based in GENETICS, this means that ONLY these individuals are capable of attaining the highest levels of wealth and success (at least if genetic enhancement is widespread enough). Given that genes are passed down biologically, the presence of genetic enhancement creates bloodlines that are effectively PREDESTINED for wealth and success, and this makes downward mobility (i.e. the 1st generation builds a fortune, the 2nd consolidates it, and the 3rd squanders it and winds up in poverty again) effectively impossible, and (because inequality is inevitable in ANY society regardless of wealth redistribution mechanisms---especially as only a limited percentage of the population can be rich) effectively causes social mobility to collapse. Given that genetic enhancement is likely ONLY available to wealthy families in that universe, this effectively walls off upward mobility to lower and middle-class individuals, and to a FAR worse extent than has occurred in even the most unequal societies in history (because even in say, feudal societies, certain exceptionally talented individuals from poor families have still achieved significant upward mobility on merit). Really what is striking to me about the concept of Coordinators is the extent to which the very idea seems like a way for wealthy families (who can afford the enhancements) to hold onto generational wealth forever, and never have to compete on a level playing field and risk losing their wealth. This is the epitome of Social Darwinism (with the intent to create a permanent ruling class that never has to compete on a level playing field), and as such it makes perfect sense why Blue Cosmos' position on Coordinators is so persuasive to so many in universe, even if the methods Blue Cosmos employs are often amoral and outright evil. I, for one, find Coordinators an inherently unsympathetic faction because of this (while I do not oppose the acquisition of wealth, I do oppose doing so with such dishonest means as purposely walling off upward mobility opportunities for others), and while I disagree with Blue Cosmos' worst actions, I do find that if the Earth Alliance merely shifted its goals to winning the war and putting a stop to ZAFT's Social Darwinist ideologies, I would see them as THE GOOD GUYS (also, this is part of my headcanon on what Fllay Allster ACTUALLY believes (as opposed to what she seemed to believe due to the stress of losing her home, not knowing if her friends Jessica and Misha were still alive, seeing her boyfriend Sai abandon her when she was scared, seeing Lacus act like an airhead who didn't even understand the concept of war, AND THEN seeing her father die)---really Fllay seems like a kind soul trapped in a broken and hostile world, and if Kira, Sai, and Mirialia had just tried to empathize with her all of their stories would have turned out much more positive).

[@TheTrueAdept]

I've been playing with a 'remake' of SEED where the timeline makes more sense... including a PLANTS War of Independence. ... though if my Traveller/Transhuman Space setting shows up, the Earth Alliance is going to have problems... as in 'ok, screw this, time for the Mandate to send the Imperial Army (aka 'people immune to War Crimes' by default, only sent out if the equivalent of the Godzilla Threshold is passed) down their throat and implement a 'denazification' program that makes what we did to Germany look like a picnic'. Oh, and they'll entirely rely on the Mandate to be clothed, fed, and medicated as the local industry and businesses will be dissolved.

[@ebindelgado9660]

Man, I wished this came out when I wrote my Seed review back in January

[@FOXZILLA5734]

Its so crazy one action of good intentions mutated into an ugly world full of absolute hatred that only escalates beyond to the point no one knows why are they fighting in the first place.

[@716_ハディくん]

people's jealousy are scary things

[@granmastersword]

@@716_ハディくん not really just jealousy, but humanity letting their instinctual fear and rejection to things different to them, not matter how arbitrary, get the better of them

[@FOXZILLA5734]

@@granmastersword to quote H.P Lovecraft "The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear and the oldest and strongest fear is fear of the unknown"

[@eight-cloudspurple5871]

I think the tragedy is that... People, or at least a selected few, know exactly what they are fighting for. In the end, the conflict is between the Old Establishment(sponsor Nations) and up-and-coming New Establishment(PLANT and Coordinators) fighting over the same piece of pie; the profit (be it monetary or industrial or strategic) of PLANTs work. Whoever gets hold of that is gonna be very powerful. Its a grim geopolitical game, and no one wants to be the loser. Even without the discrimination, without the kill-em-all extremism, the very fact remains that the 2 are in DIRECT conflict with each other's interest.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

It's basically like in real life Like Atomic bombs intention was good... to ended war quickly But then COLD WAR happen

[@nexo42069]

I am kinda surprised that George Glenn never explained why he distributed coordinators in the astray manga

[@lorzon]

The thing that always bugs me about using genetic engineering as a boogeyman is that, unless you specifically takeeasures to prevent it, eventually EVERYONE will have the mods. It's how humans work.

[@Joshua_N-A]

I knew Cosmic Era had the potential! SEED showed the dangers of radical extremism and how it affects people (like Flay for example) and how the oppressed can become even more brutal that the oppressors themselves.

[@kxarma6444]

Loved the Gundam timeline videos will we get a part 2??

[@DouglasGoins-tr1cq]

Didn't know a lot about the beginning of the cosmic era

[@spikmaster18]

0:43 I thought GB stands for Giga Bytes, but it was for UK lol

[@elliotyourarobot]

Is there a timeline of these fashion decisions?

[@ashockmizer914]

I wonder how did Mental COLONY was shut down at L4. But Also wondering what happened to Dr Hibiki and his wife after that terrible terrorist instint.

[@RedMuramasa]

US joins the chat: did someone say resources?😏 I think freedom is needed in them parks 😎

[@Joshua_N-A]

Meanwhile a US-born and raised Coordinator becomes PLANTs most radical extremist politician and the first Earth target for GENESIS he sets on is none other than WASHINGTON DC, the capital of Atlantic Federation.

[@ashockmizer914]

The First Generation of Coordinator And Natural Spacenoid colonies Friendship was Aokay in CE 40's

[@Vortexiiixii]

I wouldn't be surprised if a Natural join coordinator side.

[@kagephenex]

Seed is basically showing the worst case scenario of extremists controlling the world. Its honestly surprising humanity stayed alive that long in the timeline.

[@Gaarafan007]

Looking forward to part 2

[@SkullArrol]

Part 1 can easily be explained as, George: Wanna see me fuck everything up for everyone? Wanna see me do it again?

[@ashockmizer914]

The First Age of the Cosmic Era Before the Bloody Valentine War

[@datkat2001]

all im saying is if coordicucks didnt want to be nuked they shouldn't have been so nukeable

[@brettwood1351]

Well if you didn't want a giant Gamma Ray Laser aimed at your planet, mabye you shouldn't be asking for it.