Jesus Never Claimed to be God

[@CosmicSkeptic]

Get Bart Ehrman's course, "Did Jesus Call Himself God?": www.bartehrman.com/godman See all of Bart Ehrman's courses: www.bartehrman.com/alex

[@micahhenley589]

If the bible isn't true and is mere mythology then it doesn't really matter whether or not Jesus claimed to be God. But Bart and Alex both know deep down that the bible(God's word) is completely true and authoritative. Thus if they can show us that it doesn't support Jesus's divinity then we must accept it for God's word must be accepted. Sadly, this is just a hateful attack on the Son of God. But no one ever had a reason to hate the perfect Christ. As He Himself said "They hated Me without reason." John 15:25

[@tommyrotton9468]

I see no reason why Jesus would not call himself god as going by the verses of the Old Testament the only difference between Adam and god was eternal life, so are we not gods, yes you are (Psalms) and so was Jesus. I think the current fixation for Jesus being god in the church is just theocracy making him the most important sacrifice. So they had to make the trinity etc etc

[@hubertagamasu6283]

EHRMAN DENIEES JESUS’ CLAIM TO BE THE SON OF MAN BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT IS A CLAIM TO B GOD By Ehrman’s criterion of DISSIMILARITY, not only is Mark a reliable Gospel but the verses quoted from here are valid because Jesus refers to the son of man in the third person [see Ehrman, “How Jesus became God”, p59, pdf version] Premise 1: The Messiah sits at the right hand of God [Mark 12:35-37] Premise 2: The son of man who comes on the clouds, sits at the right hand of God [Mark 14:62] Conclusion 1: The messiah is the Son of Man who comes with the clouds. Premise 3 (from conclusion 1): The Messiah is Son of man who comes with the clouds. Premise 4: Jesus identifies himself as the Messiah [Mark 14:61-63] Conclusion 2: Jesus, claims to be the Messiah, son of Man, who comes with the clouds. Premise 5: The Son of Man is given worship that is due to only God! [Daniel 7:13-14, the word for worship here is פְלַח [pelach, Strong's number 6399 ] and is used in Daniel ONLY for deity, not persons [compare Daniel 3:14, 3:17] Premise 6: Coming on the clouds is an Old Testament motif applied to only God! [Isaiah 19:1, Psalm 104:3] Premise 7: The son of MAN IN Ezekiel, shares God’s glory [Ezekiel 1:26-28] Premise 8: Ehrman agrees, noting in his book that the Son of Man sits on the throne of God and shares His power! [Ehrman, How Jesus became God, read from p39] Premise 9: God shares His glory with no other being [Isaiah 42:8] Conclusion 3: The Son of Man Equal to God in nature. Premise 10 (from conclusion 3): The son of man is God. Premise 11 (from conclusion 2): Jesus claims to be the Son of man COCLUSION 4: JESUS CLAIMS TO BE GOD!

[@hubertagamasu6283]

​@@tommyrotton9468Did you hear Enrmann admit that the he calls himself God in the book of John, at least?

[@shassett79]

​@@micahhenley589 Is this the "atheists don't exist" argument that's trendy lately? What about me? Do I also secretly know Jesus is real?

[@tensecondbuickgn]

"Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise." Sam Pascoe

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@tensecondbuickgn]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I would imagine you're the only person that gave a thumbs up on your comment.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@tensecondbuickgn People underestimate hell, it is bad because it is separation from God. In a vision I was shown a person who claimed to be Christian but started fornication (premarital sex), He died relatively young and went to hell forever (1 Cor 6:9). God’s holiness means He will not coexist with sinners forever therefore Repent (Luke 13:3) and have a relationship with Jesus.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT Make sure as a you are a repentant Christian. Read the Bible daily and pray often throughout the day, the devil is trying to make lukewarm Christians everywhere (Rev 3:16). Join us in spreading the good news of Jesus Christ. If you tell everyone that you are a mechanic but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a mechanic? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian.

[@MegaChickpeas]

This is pretty easy to debunk without the Gospel of John: - Matthew 12:27- "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one know the Father except the son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him" - Jesus's apostles & disciples worshipped Jesus in Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Matthew 28:17, and Luke 24:52...and Jesus does not reject them at any time. - Jesus repeatedly states that he is the Son of Man in with the authority to forgive sins in Mark 2:10-11, Matthew 9:6, Luke 5:24. In Mark 8:31, Jesus predicts his death & resurrection "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." which is also referenced in Luke 9:22. Jesus also states in Mark 14:62 “you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” which is referenced again in Matthew 26:64 and Luke 22:69. This Son of Man is a reference to the prophecy in Daniel 7:13- "And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." - Isaiah 40:3 makes the prophecy that "A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God."...meaning one who prepares the way for God himself. In Luke 3:2-4, this prophecy is fulfilled when "the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness. He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: “A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.". Jesus himself directly speaks to a crowd and says about John the Baptist in Matthew 11:9 "Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is the one about whom it is written: “‘I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you."

[@_ben_miller]

it's sad your comment, which actually gives biblical claim evidence, only has 3 upvotes at this time.

[@DylanSchafer935]

@@_ben_miller people want to see their own truth brother

[@_ben_miller]

@@DylanSchafer935 , what is "own truth"

[@DylanSchafer935]

@@_ben_miller people want to follow what they want to believe even if its false

[@DylanSchafer935]

@@_ben_miller basically they are blinded by themselves and are being intellectually dishonest of the evidence laid before them

[@taisirghazi2963]

"BY MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING;I JUDGE ONLY AS I HEAR, AND MY JUDGEMENT IS JUST, FOR I SEEK NOT TO PLEASE MYSELF BUT HIM WHO SENT ME" JOHN 5:30-47

[@stinger4712]

Thanks. Just went to read that stuff. It sounds more like a messenger just trying his best to convince the people. not like a diety that has all power over all things.

[@servantofthetruth8203]

Facts 💯

[@superepicness1554]

What exactly is proven by this verse? In Verse 40, which you included in scripture listed, Jesus says that the people 'Refuse to come to me to have life'. What do you think that verse means?

[@superepicness1554]

​@@stinger4712 If Jesus was simply a messenger why in this exact passage in verse 40 would he state that people 'refuse to come to him to have life'? Can eternal life be found in a messenger from God?

[@pynx5585]

Trinity issue not a is Jesus God issue Jesus is submitting to father the authority here.

[@kadenzelmer]

10:30 "I and the father are one" John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I am"

[@SmalltimR]

GOD has no GOD - it's just that simple

[@ethannnn1227]

@@SmalltimR Why place a limitation on God, who said God cant have God? Book of malachi mentions God sending God to save us

[@SmalltimR]

@@ethannnn1227 Since when is the most High GOD a limitation? You need to get your head checked if you think that's going to entice anyone with a capacity to reason into a rational debate... Common sense and reason, is a GOD given gift Contradictions and lies, are the kind of gifts one gets from Satan the devil ... As for GOD sending GOD in the Old Testament, it is obvious that these were not literal conditions, but moreso, that these were manors of speech used by the writers to identify GOD's will being done - taking note, of the obvious distinction between no man seeing GOD's face and living, and those standing before GOD's agents(or messengers).

[@NoahSteckley]

This is a big one no one’s listing lol

[@threetoonee]

@@ethannnn1227The definition of God is that he is limitless. Giving him another god is restrictive on its own.

[@uzer4935]

john 9:17 "He is a prophet"

[@smalltimer4370]

Yes, Jesus is/was a prophet of GOD on earth. That said, the scriptures also reveal, that Jesus was far more than a prophet, in-that He is the only begotten son and rightful heir to the throne of David

[@EminaHazic]

No hes not

[@TruthSeeker.John8.32]

Prophet is someone that proclaim and spread God's word. Yes, Jesus is indeed a Prophet, but not just a Prophet, He is more than that.

[@uzer4935]

@HalleluYAH7 Matthew 21:11 And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee" John 4:19 The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet the most references to deity come from john, who was not eyewitness of

[@boreoff9803]

@@smalltimer4370 melchezedek the king of jerusalem was on the same level as jesus according to you. he had no mother, father, and never died and was there helping abraham.

[@MrWiru]

God does not die.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@MrWiru]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Jesus is not God.

[@adambrownhussein6525]

@@MrWiru Jesus(pbuh) is a man and a messenger of God(Allah).

[@Muhammed_Furqan]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,but the Father only.” (Matthew 24:36) *So according to this bible verse, Jesus cannot be god because he didn’t know the hour. And as u know that god knows everything. Be consistent and cohesive that Jesus didn’t know everything. Therefore he is not god*

[@Oldmoneydan]

Exactly. Which is why he is risen!

[@o.k.8531]

Jesus never claimed the existence of a religion called Christianity.

[@samersalim659]

@@faubourglincolnthat’s incorrect. The Quran and the hadiths define Islam as the religion for man kind extremely clearly!

[@faubourglincoln]

@@samersalim659 Wrong. It was suppose to be a reform but still the same religion. Islam wasn’t even mentioned in the Quran.

[@tatsunada]

@@faubourglincoln Wrong. Last few words of Surah Al-Ma’idah, Quran 5:3 “This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.”

[@sonofzahid]

@@tatsunadaYou cooked him. If he is looking for the truth, he will be satisfied with your answer. If he is not, then he will start yapping.

[@UncannyTale]

@@sonofzahid Exactly.

[@yknows3158]

Jesus wasn’t a “christian” he worshipped his creator

[@SmalltimR]

As the term Christian, literally means, follower of Christ, the notion that Jesus would be His own follower does not make any sense whatsoever. That being said, and while it is certainly true that Jesus worshipped His Father as GOD, of whom He called His GOD and our GOD, this would have no bearing whatsoever with Jesus being a Christian - of which, is very silly if you think about it. PS, contrary to what many believe today, Christianity is not defined by the trinity or the fact that Jesus is GOD at all - as these are the products of the false teachings of men rather than GOD's written truth - follow Jesus, not men!

[@loba7373]

Youre a disgusting heretic, Jesus claimrd to be God many times! You cannot follow Jesus without following the Bible ​@SmalltimR

[@MJ511KW]

@@SmalltimR stop believing in the lies of paul he never even met Jesus

[@master13fox]

@@SmalltimRdon’t claim such ridiculous things. Jesus was prophet. Who told you that he is god? Paul? Church? Roman Empire? So blind

[@master13fox]

@@MJ511KWexactly! Ameen to that. They are blind. I was Christian for 20 years And Alhamdulillah I left this joke

[@MGold00]

If He is God, Why be scared to be stoned? Why would God be afriad of his own Creation?

[@BoosterShotss]

Not only that if this human god is GOD how did he allow other humans to kill him?

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@BoosterShotss In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@BoosterShotss]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 lol I love Jesus he’s my messenger & prophet, But he’s a Human & Humans can’t & will never be GOD!

[@Fringe4]

1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"

[@Lulu_8999]

@@coyotedesert4199it’s the English translation obviously

[@kamj1969]

The view that Jesus never claim to be God is very Islamic. Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet and messenger of God sent to the children of Israel. He is also the messiah who will return in the end of times to kill the anti christ and rule based on God’s law. So who made him appear as if he’s God - Paul

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@ysntad9914]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Your god is weak and unjust. Weak because he cannot forgive your sins no matter how big they are, and unjust because he wronged his son whom he sent to die to atone for your sins, even though it is unclear how his death relates to your sins, and even though your religion tells you that no one bears the sin of another. He is also unjust because he burdened you with the sin of an original sin you did not commit. My god, however, is just and tells me that if you do good, you will be rewarded for it, and if you do evil, you will be held accountable for it. The original sin does not exist in my religion because when Adam disobeyed his Lord, his Lord taught him how to repent, and he did, so He forgave him. In my religion, there is a scientific method that explains how Adam was chosen and why he was chosen. When God created the earth, He wanted to offer it as a trust to one of His creations to either build it up or fail to maintain it. This is what we do with the earth today: some try to develop and preserve it while others try to corrupt and destroy its environment. So, God chose humans and informed the angels of this, who were astonished and questioned why He would give this trust (the earth) to creatures who are savage and kill each other. This refers to the primitive humans before Adam, whose existence has been proven by science. God told them that He knew why He chose Adam. He taught Adam things and put him to a test in front of the angels. When God asked the angels questions, they could not answer and admitted that they only knew what God had taught them. But when God asked Adam, he answered everything and even advanced his knowledge. This demonstrated why God chose Adam: because humans are beings capable of learning. We all know this is true. One thing remained: is this being free in his actions, unlike the angels who were created to obey God's commands only? Or an unthinking animal that only follows its instincts? So, God put Adam to the test with the tree and the apple. The Quran depicts God seeking any test for Adam, choosing the tree because if it were important, He would have placed angels with flaming swords to guard it. The devil tempted Adam, who, being a thinking being, had to use his mind to choose between obeying God or following the devil's temptation. Adam chose the latter and ate from the apple. This being was now ready to live in an environment (the earth) that required understanding and making choices. God spoke to him as if speaking to a child, because Adam was newly created and had not yet learned from life's experiences. God said to him, "When you commit a sin, call upon Me and I will forgive you." Adam called upon God, and He forgave him and informed him that he would descend to earth to live there. What Adam did was not a great sin; there are far worse sins, like murder, as when Moses killed. As Muslims, we believe in what Jesus Christ said: "And this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." Christ is merely a great messenger.

[@gangsterkami1]

Buddy. Did you watch the video?​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

[@tatsunada]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 that sounds like fan fiction

[@sheeesh2237]

go watch blogging theology, he proved how the 'divinity of jesus"' was added later on.

[@فهدالسليم-ت9ج]

1- We, as Muslims, believe that God Almighty gives authority to the prophets, peace be upon them, to judge people. There is no problem in our belief when Jesus, peace be upon him, tells a man that his sin has been forgiven, because all prophets receive revelation from God Almighty. We have a hadith from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, when a man who committed a sin came to him and wanted to atone for it. The Prophet said to him, “Didn’t you pray with us?” The man answered yes, and the Prophet said to him, “God has forgiven your sin.” 2- We believe in all the books that God Almighty revealed to His prophets, peace be upon them, including the Torah and the Gospel, but they are marred by corruption with remnants of the truth. As Dr. Bart Ehrman explained, there is an attempt to impose a certain doctrine in the Gospel of John regarding the divinity of Christ that is different from the Synoptic Gospels, all of which were written decades later. From the departure of Christ, peace be upon him 3- To learn more about the Islamic doctrine regarding Jesus, peace be upon him, I recommend the book “Jesus the Man, the Messenger, and the Messiah” by the writer Abu Zakaria.

[@123lowp]

Have you heard Alan Watts's view on Jesus? It can be found on KZbin and is interesting.

[@MegaChickpeas]

- Matthew 12:27- "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one know the Father except the son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him" - Jesus's apostles & disciples worshipped Jesus in Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Matthew 28:17, and Luke 24:52...and Jesus does not reject them at any time. - Jesus repeatedly states that he is the Son of Man in with the authority to forgive sins in Mark 2:10-11, Matthew 9:6, Luke 5:24. In Mark 8:31, Jesus predicts his death & resurrection "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." which is also referenced in Luke 9:22. Jesus also states in Mark 14:62 “you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” which is referenced again in Matthew 26:64 and Luke 22:69. This Son of Man is a reference to the prophecy in Daniel 7:13- "And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." - Isaiah 40:3 makes the prophecy that "A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God."...meaning one who prepares the way for God himself. In Luke 3:2-4, this prophecy is fulfilled when "the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness. He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: “A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.". Jesus himself directly speaks to a crowd and says about John the Baptist in Matthew 11:9 "Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is the one about whom it is written: “‘I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you."

[@ItsOnPaper]

Jesus never once claimed to be a prophet.

[@thewholefnjt]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said "whoever has seen me has seen the Father"

[@theprestige3974]

​@@ItsOnPaperI like your comment. This is a reverse argument. If they said he NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD, because he never said specifically:" I am God!" He also never said specifically, :"I am a prophet."

[@chadspinnox566]

I'm going to become Muslim now because this is exactly what Islam is saying about Jesus and God. In Islam, God doesn't have kids and parents and wives and has no human characteristics and that Jesus is only a prophet and messenger not God and not the Son of God. Looks like Islam is the corrective original Christianity of Jesus himself.

[@DragovianMythiX]

Correct, had the Jews (not the Gentiles, because Jesus didn't preach to the Gentiles!!!) not strayed from Jesus' commands, then Islam probably would not have existed now. Unfortunately, (most) Jews ended up rejecting him (the Jews had this habit of rejecting prophets), while the Gentiles turned Jesus into something so vastly different by injecting polytheistic thoughts and theories (not unsurprising since the Romans and Greeks were polytheistic and had the biggest influence back in the day), hence Islam restoring the message. It makes sense if you look at it objectively.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@DragovianMythiX All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@dxedit001]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Free will at it's finest

[@AntonioCunningham-jr2oj]

Well you do know islam favors slavery so don't forget about that right there

[@AntonioCunningham-jr2oj]

​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 No sir no humans need to repent period because can also allow certain groups of people to be wiped off the faced of the earth

[@corinnebrixton6577]

"He's actually not crucified for calling himself God. His divine claims actually have no relation to any of the crucifixion narratives." Sorry? 'Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” (Mark 14:61-64) I'm sure Bart Ehrman knows these verses from Mark's gospel (which he acknowledges is probably the earliest gospel). What is Jesus saying here? Here's using the self-designation he most often uses for himself and taking it right back to where it comes from - Daniel 7:13-14. The one who (remarkably in the Jewish Scriptures) is described as 'like a son of man' and yet comes as God does (on the clouds of heavens), to whom God gives authority and glory (and God does not give his glory "to another") and who is worshipped (despite God being the only one who is to be worshipped). And Jesus before the high priest not only admits to being 'the Son of the Blessed One' but takes up the language of Daniel which speaks of him being worshipped alongside God. What's the high priest's response? - 'You have heard the blasphemy.' The High Priest understands exactly the claim that Jesus is making - and denounces it as blasphemy. It's a claim to divinity and that's exactly how it's understood by the listeners. (And it's there in very similar terms in both Matthew and Luke - with the same reaction from the Jewish leaders). Now, Bart Erhman IS right that the charge that Pontius Pilate is considering it that Jesus is the King of the Jews. It's there in all three synoptics but made most explicit in Luke - who records what the Jews say when they take Jesus to Pilate: "We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be Messiah, a king." (LUke 23:2). Why's that? Because Pilate won't care about their Jewish scruples about blasphemy, but he will care if someone is setting himself up as a king in opposition to Caesar - that's what will get you killed under a Roman governor (and the Jews know it!). That's why the Jews play the system and change the charge from blasphemy to sedition. That's what will get you crucified. Actually, Bart Ehrman is wrong again saying that Pilate kills him for claiming to be king of the Jews (though he is right in saying that's a political claim). PIlate can see through it all - all four gospels tell us the same thing: that Pilate can see Jesus' innocence and doesn't consider him guilty of any crime. He knows the Jews have handed Jesus over because of envy, but eventually caves in to the crowd. (It may well be that his own political situation was precarious at this time due to the political situation in Rome with his supporter Sejanus having recently fallen out of favour with Tiberius - and he therefore wanted to avoid open conflict with the Jews.). So it was precisely Jesus' claim to be God that got him killed. Bart also doesn't really seem to have fully addressed the fact that in Mark 2 the religious leaders DO clearly see Jesus' claims as blasphemous - and Jesus doesn't tell them, 'no, no - I wasn't really claiming to be God there' Just the opposite in fact. Oh, and Mark also tells us in the same narrative, "Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts." And what would Mark, a good Jew, know? "Yahweh knows the thoughts of man." (Psalm 94:11) Oh, and a couple of chapters later, Mark records Jesus calming a storm with his words. And his disciples (in the boat with him at the time): "They were terrified and asked each other, 'Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!" (4:41) - Actually, they know who stills storms - Yahweh again (Psalm 107:29). I could go on (has power over death, calls himself Lord of the Sabbath, creates matter, is called 'my Son' by a voice from heaven, calls himself the son of the vineyard owner (ie God) - and this is all in Mark's gospel, not John's).

[@landonbarretto4933]

You know this because you read it in a book? Really?

[@corinnebrixton6577]

@@landonbarretto4933 Just commenting on the book that Bart Ehrman is commenting on... And don't we only tend to know ANYTHING about history because people have made records? I'm sure most of the exams that most of us have taken have been on stuff that we've read in books. I'd love to understand more about what point you're making.

[@nichobee]

​@@landonbarretto4933 yes...the exact same book that Bart read

[@nichobee]

Bart is essentially referring that this is just one giant misunderstanding running for 2,000 years. My own common sense finds this highly unlikely. If Jesus didn't even implicitly claim to be God, then the New Testament would read much more like Life of Brian.

[@corinnebrixton6577]

@@nichobee Exactly. This would have either been the one of the greatest misunderstandings or the greatest conspiracies in human history, one that has managed to keep going despite many of its earliest proponents being put to death for doggedly adhering to it. I just don't think Bart Ehrman's claim is credible when you consider all the texts. The idea that Mark's gospel (as the earliest) didn't really claim that Jesus was God and that these were legends or embellishments that somehow suddenly evolved in the small number of decades before the gospel of John (with its more overt claims to divinity) seems sligtly ridiculous when you consider that Mark's gospel points to Jesus being the son of God... in the first verse. I suppose that Prof Ehrman will claim that's really not a claim to divinity, but it's funny that the religious leaders of Jesus' day seemed to know with great clarity that Jesus was making claims to divinity... in the second chapter of Mark. And then just a couple of chapters on, Jesus is demonstrating the sort of power over nature that the Jewish Scriptures spoke of as being the power that was wielded by God himself. (I could go on...!!)

[@FatimaBarkatulla]

This is what the Qur’an says. He never claimed to be God, he was the Messiah and Messenger of God.

[@MegaChickpeas]

Quran literally says Jesus is the Word of God sent down via His Spirit...and then taken back to Allah himself.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MegaChickpeas God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi]

@@MegaChickpeasyes the Quran says Jesus as. is the word of god, but why? Quran 3:59 Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! Jesus as. is called the word of god because aside from the first human he was the only one created directly by gods word/command. That he was sent down by the "holy spirit" of god is simply wrong, I dare you to show me where the Quran says this. The Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel in Islam, not a person of god.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen ,sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi]

@ no that’s not how judgement works, if you steal from someone they can make the decision to not sue you that’s perfectly fine with our justice system. Neither is it a thing that god punishes infinitely for smaller sins, no if god doesn’t forgive you you pay for it in hell but not eternally (the only eternal punishment you get is for disbelieving in god).What doesn’t work is if you commited a crime and the judge decides that you are guilty, but he doesn’t sent you to prison but his own son. That’s ridiculous

[@mike9512]

This to me is a perfect representation of what freedom of speech is supposed to be. It's an open discussion about sensitive topics but it's not mean spirited, derogatory or condemning a group of people. You can agree or disagree, but it's just too guys having a discussion. Love it.

[@spol1622]

@@WillofGodwhosoever as long as you do not shove your beliefs down my throat I do not care.

[@mike9512]

@@WillofGodwhosoever I went to church for 4 years and have either read or heard most of the New Testament. I have nothing but positive things to say about Jesus. If Christians actually did what he asked them to do and lived by his example this world would be a better place. But sadly they don't. And in my experience Christians are more likely to mock Jesus than anyone else, especially with their actions. And the various Church's, for so much of their lifetime, have been the worst offender. And really it's not your place to know where I go when I die. It's just your opinion. And I'm grateful we live in a society where I can agree or disagree. But either way, whatever is in store for me, it's not up for you to know that. But you're kind of presuming if I don't say, believe or think X then God will do Y. But your faith is for you and your soul, not mine. You presume to know my path when you say you have mercy but that's not for you to decide. You can ask God for mercy for yourself but it's not your job to dispense it to others. That is God's. You're supposed to treat others as you would anyone else.

[@meandonlymeandher5747]

you are deluded pls, stay away

[@cygnusprime6728]

This isn't even particularly remarkable in terms of the flow of the discussion. This is simply what two adults with an ounce of respect & education look when having a talk/debate. We're just so used to people interrupting and yelling that whenever people talk this way it seems fascinating.

[@mike9512]

@cygnusprime6728 yes, %100 agree.

[@MBTechSearch]

We are saying the exact thing for 1400 centuries, that a messager of God comes to tell people to worship God alone and not to worship the Messenger himself

[@BadgerWolf-19]

Jesus had been saying he is God for 2000. Got you beat😂😂😂😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@BadgerWolf-19 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@meab12]

For 140,000 years??? Really????

[@Mo_Hamd72]

@@meab12 He meant 14 centuries

[@Mo_Hamd72]

@@BadgerWolf-19 That lie has been told to you for 2000 years.

[@ezo3346]

Thanks for opening my Eyes, He is prophet, God is one. ❤

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@mot9769]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You beleive we will be judged for Evil thoughts?!

[@treebusettt]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Why is there a ritual of confession in the church, if all sins have been atoned for by Jesus?? such CONTRADICTION If Jesus was God, why did he have to die to atone for sins?? just say all sins are erased. finished. he is the almighty god btw.. such CONTRADICTION

[@high.vibrational.collective]

​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Is it so unbelievable that God could forgive us for our sins without killing anyone. That He is capable of forgiving is, being gracious with those who believe and repent? What are the origins of your faith in Jesus being god? Parents? Mystical experience? A feeling? Im genuinely curious 🙏🏼

[@hellerart]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I hope they have good showers at entrance

[@josephlerz6889]

There's a verse in the Bible Matthew 24:36 saying " No one knows when that day and hour will come - neither the angels in heaven and the Son ( the father alone knows ) "

[@StingrayAkbar]

But all knowing guy is ignorant. He never showed up and saved people's arse

[@raulmaarcheco5099]

That’s one of the many verses that proves Jesus is not God. Satan offers Jesus the world , how is that possible. God created Satan and the world makes no sense unless Jesus is not God

[@josephlerz6889]

@@raulmaarcheco5099 Yeah and Jesus died at 33 but he only was given his purpose I believe when he was aged 12 and before that he didn't know.

[@Dfw_hoodlums]

@@raulmaarcheco5099 you are so wrong because since Jesus is God he doesn’t need it cause he’s the one who created and he’s the one who can destroy it and if you just read when Jesus is talking to the Jews that he says he is God and I can give you one that no one can argue John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” He literally saying he’s God and if you actually read the Bible you will found more evidence then that, that say he’s God.

[@AmbitiousSpartan_10]

In Acts 1:7 Jesus said “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority". Jesus used the word YOU and not US even though he was present with them, he was implying that he knows the hour, but he did not want the apostles to know the specific time. Jesus said these words after his resurrection, after defeating death.

[@rabahben-k9v]

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Bible, in the book of John, chapter 14, verse 6. Even John testifies that Jesus is the way to God, not God Himself.

[@Kman566]

Think about it..... It's saying that Jesus is the transportation BUT God is the destination.

[@taisirghazi2963]

Prophet Jesus peace and blessing of Allah be upon him is the way because he was sent by The Creator as a PROPHET.

[@ScottRyan-Akhi23]

Thank you! My recent interpretation of that exact same verse. Jesus(PBUH)was a prophet. Alhamdulillah.

[@dr.wealth5990]

All prophets were the way the truth and the life.. when the prophets came.there was no other way

[@tspfab7309]

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me" Why do you guys think the jews said he was blaspheming? Because he claimed equality with the father.

[@irisf.5575]

He did. This video is proof of why it's important to read the Bible for yourself and not rely on such narratives.

[@batssama]

First Show me a single verse where he said "worship me", only this 2 words Second god doesn't need to suffer and die to forgive our sins, he is the almighty Third, god is one with no equals and no sons and Jesus is his prophet like Moses and Muhammed peace be upon them

[@Philmoscowitz]

Well if you say so, then it must be true. Lol.

[@irisf.5575]

@@batssama if you have read your Bible, and you cannot understand that Christ is God. Then there are no amount of words I can say, to make you see it.

[@irisf.5575]

@@Philmoscowitz I am not here to try and convince anyone. I am simply stating facts. Those who know, know.

[@karimisrael9407]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@MAHMED-s6h]

Jesus was a human being.

[@TR13400]

Do tou think Christians deny that? Lol

[@MAHMED-s6h]

@@TR13400 What is the trinity make up?

[@TR13400]

@@MAHMED-s6h I don't understand the question.

[@MAHMED-s6h]

@@TR13400 What is trinity that the Christians falsely believe in.?

[@TR13400]

@@MAHMED-s6h The trinity is God.

[@waystrings1590]

Quran( 9:30).....The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is but a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the Truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him! (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)"

[@tspfab7309]

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me" Why do you guys think the jews said he was blaspheming? Because he claimed equality with the father.

[@waystrings1590]

@@tspfab7309 in quran...jews rejected jesus (pbuh) as the prophet ...jesus(pbuh) performed many miracles infront of them but still jews said "you are not Allah's messenger, your just a magician"

[@mbarnabeus]

​@@tspfab7309He also said according to the bible that the disciples should also be one with them so now do you worship them too?! polytheists Propaganda

[@eugene307]

@@waystrings1590 jews never called Uzar son of God in the Bible. The word Uzar not mentioned even once.

[@waystrings1590]

@@eugene307 quran nevers says all the jews...quran says there are some jews called uzair son of Allah...similar to christians...and also there are some jew worshipped the cow instead of Allah...after they repent to Allah , Allah forgave them

[@samfelton5009]

Love that you had William Lane Craig and Bart Ehrman on to talk about the different positions on the historical Christ, would love to see this done with more theological takes!

[@Mar-dk3mp]

Let's repeat to those godless and souless alone hipocrite, which you does not neet respect for the follow reasons: When you see people talking contantly about something they do not even believe in you should already know that is a cult that have nothing to offer to you, but you are a western godless idiot and hipocrite how can you get it??? Real No respect for you... Real those godless alone people are that stupids and do not deserve any kind of respects... They are all here to kiss some godless ass... they should get from the point those godless people who they like to kiss their ass, that they talk always, and are obsessed with something they did not even believe that Atheism is a fraud and a cult... (no respect for their dishonesty to get it). why they do not get it???) But I guess you are a western, always the worst... and now even in Godenier version. No respect for you.... Now, Let's repeat for those godless hipocrite who always spend so much time to talk about the nothing they think they will be once death, and run to kiss someone godless ass, because that is what their new no sense cult "called Atheism" lead those people to do... See those godless rats do the only thing they an do run once they see a godless videos, that what you rats can do when you are lone godless idiot, you have no God and no Community. So many reasons to do not have any respect for you rat Goddenier idiot Here other more enjoy to see how more disgusting and idiot you modern godless idiot are: They are not called atheists but western godless and soulless modern idiots: who is a western godless and soulless idiot a) someone who fallows this new bullshit almost never existed before b) someone who does really believe God to exist cares about his or her opinion c) someone that will believe from now constantly that he will be Nothing once death, poor cursed idiot... D) someone that does not have any kind of Spiritually, (how can can someone without God or soul have any kind of spirituality??? No go no soul no spirituality (why do you even live???) E) someone who will pay afterlife infront God F) someone if he is right mostly he will Be NOTHING once death but if there is God and we are right and his or her heart will stop he will not know what to do once God will ask "why you did not believe in me" (what would you say?) (What a fool) G) someone who will feel strong now to deny God but hopefully he will not need, because if he will get down, depressed, older, alone and closer to death God is only things he get, but he is so stupid to do not get now H) someone who doesn't not even have an actual community I) someone who see atheist on Internet the term atheist and go writing some shit because he got no community... L) someone who deny his creator which we called lier m) a goddenier so a lier by definition... M) is someone who decide to do not have by purpose a sacred things as God and for free (what a poor person!) N) we got what you do not and give us much force and for free. O) someone who have very much few things to believe in. Let's say that if you do not believe in God, what do you believe humans (I believe in Humanity as well, however: wars, genocide, cheating, bad talking, and so on) what hell is left? P) someone that does not God R) therefore if you do not know God or have in your miserable life how can you deny what you do not know?? How to pity those fools and their miserable life to be so???? (No questions as you godless and soulless hipocrite, but actually answer)... Anyway. No respect for you at all. You may not believe now, but you do not know if you will pay this modern idiocy to deny God in future... Wait and see, wait and see, you fool. (So think next time to write certain things or to be a godless and souless idiot, because there is very few things you can lean on)... if we die nothing will happen to us, as wewill nothin as you think we will be, but when your heart will stop, well infront God, when he will ask you why you did not believe in me what would you say??? You are playing with the fire, your problem Godless Fool! Why n yuo want follow only you instincts as f** animals but they change all the time and you as human can get crazy and think killing is God... How to pity your miserable life, you Godless idiot, for real? Only a godless idiot can call God, which is all an imaginary friend, for real you are disgusting. Modernity and its idiots. (by the way this channel is getting more and more ridiculous talking about and be obsessed with something that they do not even believe... Only godless and soulless idiot do not get it, why?)... Hope you will no need God in your life because otherwise you will be fuck* up searching for the nothing you are and you believe in. No respect for you and your family, your mom and father who rise up such godless idiot. Be ready to cry because of God is real you will be fu**d up, and all this for not believe for free and in a simple way. What poor person you are.... Np hope for you and respect for this godless generation hope for the next one to be better then you. (you sand on Nothing, the nothing you think you will be and now cursed to think so constantly, even if you will not admit it). You are just fool yourself, how to pity your miserable godless life? laugh and enjoy the life now, because in the future you will be scared for denying God, your creator... They are alone... Poor modern godless idiot. No pity for them... Their really need to kiss godless people ass .. disgusting human being. that does not make any sense dude. God is all-mighity and all powerful he can see you and can even stop your heart in any moment, so. So think twice before be a godless and souless idiot because the world and God does not go around you and what you think about him. But you want just fool yourself just trust none expet you that are a disgusting godless idiot No respect for you. They really deserve to die alone without God. How can anyone can pity your miserable and godless alone life? No respect for you modern godenier, you do not deserve it... The are fighting against something they can never win, God.... What fool people! The what is so positive to do not have God, Soul (as a freaking robots), an actually community, live and die alone as a godless fool? And why do you always talk about something you do not even believe in (God)? Are you a godless and soulless modern idiot, then live like that, right? You are into a cult where you are alone and you do not even get it. Are you that smart you godless alone idiot? I just have enough with those people and the cult they belong to and the obsession for what they do not even believe, what hipocrites! Their just pathetich alone human being. No pity for them. Of course God made it, who alse your mother made it??? Anyway as always you godless and soulless alone idiots, have nothing to offer to us, to yourself, and to the world. No respect for this godless alone pathetic generation. That how this new Cult "atheism" makes you alone idiot, and with nothing actually to say, because you are based on the nothing you think you will be once death. (but they love to kiss godless ass, they run for it, Disgusting) No respect for you and the family who raised you so stupid and alone... Reallly they have nothing to offer to us, to the world and to themesleves, that stupidity and lonlyness. (this channel is getting more and more ridicolous and who said the opposite is a godless alone hipocrite). we godless and souless modern alone people are obsessed with someone who get riched be obsessed and talking constatlly about somethin he and you do not even believe. You are ridicolous. Another reason to not be like you. Atheism leads to Nothing. No God No Spirituality Not an actually Community Only Loneliness and Obsession for God and what you do not even believe anymore. But yes be disgusting Godless ass kisser... Let me ask some questions (be honest to answer): the first question will be... how does you feel to have less sacred things in your miserable alone godless life then us? And then why are you into a cult that leads to nothing? And why you are a part on something that have nothing to offer to us believers, but loneliness?? and finally how can you deny what you do not know or have in your alone godless life? and why God should care about what you think to exist? Go and be honest once in your life you Goddenier. (Do not write to this message if you actually have nothing to say, as you always godless people do... What waste of lives yours, for real). If you had some dignity you must be ashemed to deny God... But you do not have any, right???

[@matswessling6600]

why? theology is just fantasy.

[@Nitroade24]

@@matswessling6600 It's really interesting

[@matswessling6600]

@@Nitroade24 no. its like discussing the material in bat mans mask... useless.

[@emilsundbaum5221]

@@matswessling6600You could make that case for anything if you stretch it far enough. If you don’t find it interesting don’t study it then.

[@bedd444]

Here is another one ,The word trinity is not even mentioned in the bible.

[@thesahm]

That’s correct but the concept is: genesis 1:26 is the earliest verse that implies a multi-person God. As you continue through the Scriptures the concept of the Trinity unfolds. Jesus did in fact claim to be God.

[@jonathansulbaran6238]

⁠@@thesahmGenesis 1:26 doesn’t necessarily imply a multi-person God. It only implies that God was not alone which is true because the angels were also alive and existent at the time of Genesis 1:26. The angels are also referred to as sons of God in Genesis chapter 6, and Job chapter 1,2 and 38.

[@thesahm]

@@jonathansulbaran6238 Gen 1:26 says let us make man in our image. We are not made in the image of angels. We are only made in the image of God. Yes angels are referred to as sons of God, but that has nothing to do with Gen. 1:26

[@Anjel99-i8o]

These are the emanations of God as they're mentioned in the Kabbalah. Trinity is a completely fabricated concept. ​@@thesahm

[@_ben_miller]

revelation 22:17, "REV. 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost." john 10:30 ," “I and the Father are one.” the capitalization choices of "Father" and "Spirit" are meant to convey the author/translator believed those nouns are divine beings.

[@markwhite116]

Son of Man is a reference to a specific prophecy in Daniel. It's like some people have blinders on while reading the Bible.

[@jimstultz3345]

Many have tragically.

[@saberswordsmen1]

Son of Man is used throughout the old testament, not just Daniel. Over a hundred times.

[@markwhite116]

@@saberswordsmen1 The Son of Man is a title when it's stated as "the Son of Man." That title is referring to the Daniel prophecy. Try again.

[@saberswordsmen1]

@@markwhite116 "The use of the definite article in "the Son of man" in the Koine Greek of the Christian gospels is original, and before its use there, no records of its use in any of the surviving Greek documents of antiquity exist.[3] Geza Vermes has stated that the use of "the Son of man" in the Christian gospels is unrelated to Hebrew Torah usages.[5]"

[@markwhite116]

it's actually what the first century Jew thought, which is who Jesus was talking to.

[@jesusbrickfreaklego9388]

Ehrman does think through this a lot (I didn't realize that the major instances of Jesus explicitly saying "I'm God" are all (or most) in John for example). However, there is one thing he talks about here that I don't agree with his logic: forgiving the paralytic's sins. When Ehrman is explaining the story, at 8:42, he states that Jesus's enemies are the ones that point out "Only God can forgive sin." Ehrman and then Alex use this later when they bring up John 20:23 when Jesus says "if you forgive then they are forgiven." This story helps their point because they say that priests would say "your sins were forgiven" too, and they were not claiming to be God. Therefore, Jesus is only saying he has more authority than the Pharisees. As it stands, I don't find anything wrong with that argument (I think it's pretty compelling actually). However, there is a detail in that story that both of them leave out: the Pharisees never said "Only God can forgive sin." If you look up the story in all the synoptic gospels (Matthew 9:1-8, Mark 2:1-12, and Luke 5:17-26), they all word this as not something the Pharisees were saying, but something that they were thinking internally. It's something we only know about because the gospels claim that Jesus knew their internal thoughts, and they don't record him telling the crowd what the Pharisees were thinking (Jesus not telling everything to the crowd isn't out of character for him either since the gospels are filled with stories of him explaining stuff to just the disciples after he preached, which leads me to conclude that this detail was something that Jesus explained afterwards to the disciples). If that was the line of thinking of his accusers that led him to do the miracle that shows his authority, I would expect Jesus to make some sort of correction to their logic if they were incorrect; which is absent in the story. If their thought was referring to authority given to priests as representatives of God himself forgiving sin, wouldn't a more direct thought be something along the lines of "doesn't this guy know only people given authority by God can forgive sin?" and not "doesn't this guy know only God himself can forgive sin." This dichotomy, just like with the famous "before Abraham was, I AM", story leads me to think that the Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus was trying to communicate when he told the man "Your sins are forgiven"; that he was in fact God himself, not only just someone with more authority than the Pharisees. To sum it up, to conclude that that story is not Jesus making a claim to divinity is an interpretation that is not supported by the story itself (and, if I may add, Jesus's statement of giving the disciples authority is found in John, the book that Ehrman argues is not reliable to learn about Jesus; I only see room for doubt of the interpretation that its a story of Jesus's claim to divinity if you use that saying in John, but according to Ehrman, we can't use that book).

[@VictorMainaKinuthia]

This is quite compelling, but couldn't one just say that the Pharisees were wrong about who could or couldn't forgive sins?

[@jesusbrickfreaklego9388]

@@VictorMainaKinuthia That's certainly possible, but one would have to look elsewhere to make that claim that the Pharisees were wrong. If you were to use the rest of the Bible to make that claim, I would argue that the rest of it would support their thought, that only God can forgive sins. At least from the internal source of the religion itself, there is nothing to disprove their thought, but instead, agrees with their sentiment. I'll even go one step further; lets go with the option that Matthew, Mark, and Luke were in fact made up; which means that that authors' are creating Jesus and using stories to describe who this made-up person was supposed to be. This still doesn't change what the most obvious (or at least what I argued above) interpretation would be; it's a story that claims his divinity. If they had free-reign to write whatever they wanted (because we are assuming it's a fictional story) and the point of the story was just to show that Jesus had more authority than the Pharisees without also being God, I would argue it would make more sense to write that the Pharisees' internal (or even something they said out-loud since that probably seems more believable if they were trying to create a lie, at least to me) thought was focused on their authority to forgive sins (or what kind of people were given that authority by God) rather God's authority itself. The fact that the story not only has Jesus not correct or challenge their belief that only God can forgive sins but that these writers would have decided to make that the statement that the Pharisees were thinking of in the first place still leads me to believe that their intention of the story was to show that Jesus was making a claim of divinity. Basically, I'm saying that if this was made up or not, the interpretation that aligns most with the story as it is written is a claim to divinity. (P.S. I know this wasn't necessarily what you were asking/saying, but your question got me thinking more, and I wanted to share)

[@VictorMainaKinuthia]

​@@jesusbrickfreaklego9388 You make a good point, but we can still support this claim using the content from the Bible. If we're taking Jesus' lack of correction as a metric, we need to remember that the same story is retold in Matthew 9. In verse 8, the crowd is recorded as saying that the authority to forgive sins has been given to human beings. "When the crowds saw it, they were filled with awe, and they glorified God, who had given such authority to human beings." Matthew 9:8 (NRSVUE) By your logic, Jesus' lack of correction for the crowd implies that God isn't the only one who can forgive sins, but He has also granted that authority to mankind including "The Son of Man".

[@PC-vg8vn]

Ehrman contradicts himself left, right and centre. Only chooses those parts of the New Testament which he thinks support his views and dismisses the rest, conveniently.

[@getasimbe]

I would argue that there's an important difference between being divine (in the sense of being above man) and being the same entity essentially as God

[@johannmatthee5727]

4:30 Didn't Pontius Pilate want to release Jesus, claiming that he found no blame in Him. He went further and offered the people 2 options of who to release, Jesus or Barabbas and the people all shouted to crucify Him? Also he, Pontius Pilate wrote a sign saying King of The Jews, in Hebrew, Greek and Latin so that all could see, and the Jewish authorities told him to remove it. It does not sound to me like Pilate wanted to kill Jesus. I might be mistaken though... so open for a conversation

[@InShadowsLinger]

In which gospel? If you watch the rest of the video you will find that he talked about Pontius Pilate and how the gospels progressively absolve him of the blame. Just a brief search seems to point to John.

[@Colthrone]

You are absolutely correct. Jesus was no threat to Rome. Pilate and Herod sent him back and forth to each other because neither one had any idea what to do with him. It was the angry mob that caused his crucifixion.

[@diegog1853]

If you watch the whole thing he actually speaks about it. And how Pilate becomes less and less guilty for the later sources. The idea being that the "civilized" greeks and romans actually writing the gospels (that were not jews) wanted to blame the uncivilized jews for the death of the son of God, and not the romans, remember that the early spread of christianity focused a lot in spreading to rome and their provinces, which included a lot of the letters in the new testament. Historically, there is no reason to believe Pilate will care at all about not killing jesus. the romans crucified people in the hundreds. They also spoke about some reasons to believe for why Jesus did see himself as the future king of the jews once god came and bring the apocalipse. And at the very least, some people believed he would be the king of the jews. Which gives plenty of reasons for Pilate to kill him. I really recomend watching the whole thing, is very interesting.

[@johannmatthee5727]

@@InShadowsLinger missed that part, sorry XD, so what extra biblical sources or reasons does he give for saying that the Bible absolves him of blame, and what would their motive be for absolving him of it? To make the Jews look bad, but they were the very people to whom the disciples preached and tried to convert?

[@johannmatthee5727]

@@diegog1853 Mark 14:60-65, the accuse Jesus of blasphemy, and that in Jewish culture in Leviticus is punished by death. You are right it is interesting, and unfortunately I am guilty of not watching the whole thing through. My mistake on that part.

[@leroy2158]

John 1: 1-14 John 10:30 John 14:61-64 John 8:58 Mark 2:5-7 Jesus' approach was to reveal His divinity through His actions and teachings rather than explicitly saying "I am God" because such a direct statement would have been immediately rejected as blasphemy by many of His contemporaries. Instead, by performing miracles, forgiving sins, and speaking with divine authority, He showed that He was truly God in a way that was undeniable to those who were open to the truth.His statement "I and the Father are one" is indeed a profound claim of unity with God, and many understood it as such, which is why it led to such strong reactions from the religious leaders of the time. Through these actions and words, Jesus revealed the truth of His divine nature in a way that allowed those who were ready to see and believe to recognize Him for who He truly was.

[@bastar46-l5z]

He prayed to god bro

[@leroy2158]

@@bastar46-l5z The holy Trinity bro

[@cyborg3780]

Moses, Noah and other Prophets performed miracles too, were they God too then?

[@leroy2158]

@@cyborg3780 Great question. If you read the bible Jesus gave his deciples the ability to perform miracles and gave them power to cast out unclean spirits.

[@leroy2158]

@@cyborg3780 Matthew 10:1: "And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. "Mark 3:14-15: "Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach, and to have power to heal sicknesses and to cast out demons. "Luke 9:1-2: "Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases. He sent them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. "Mark 16:17-18: "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

[@californiaction]

The child cried out: "Verily I am Allah's servant. He has granted me the Book and has made me a Prophet, and has blessed me wherever I might be and has enjoined upon me Prayer and Zakah (purifying alms) as long as I live; and has made me dutiful to my mother. He has not made me oppressive, nor bereft of God's blessings. Peace be upon me the day I was born and the day I will die, and the day I will be raised up alive. This is Jesus, the son of Mary; and this is the truth about him concerning which they are in doubt. It does not befit Allah to take for Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing He only says: "Be" and it is. (Jesus had said): "Indeed Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him alone. This is the Straight Way."

[@monsieur.emmanuel]

Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’” (John 20:17)

[@eugene307]

@@californiaction you are a lier the word "allah " never existed before 610AD. And Jesus never said I am sarvent of God . He said I am the Son of God. After copy 70% from the Bible , quran still struggling. Now the present quran you have is made by Cairo in 1924. Go get it checked.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@monsieur.emmanuel As a Man He is talking God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@monsieur.emmanuel]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Please do.

[@_ben_miller]

allah is the best liar, even accoring to the quran. what you are saying is another lie.

[@wagsman9999]

One of the issues with Christianity is events were interpreted by subsequent humans, like Paul or the gospel writers, and we have way of knowing if they got it right. They did not know Jesus, they did not witness his ministry.

[@wagsman9999]

@herbivoremd2592 No. We have no idea who wrote the Gospels. This is standard modern biblical scholarship. These books were written anonymously, many decades after the facts they describe. The names Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John were affixed sometime late second century. The authors never tell us who they are, and they never tell us their sources. The stories are written in high-level Greek, the followers of Jesus would have uneducated fishermen, ... illiterate, and would have spoken Aramaic. The NT captures a circulating tradition, part oral, part written. How much is fact vs. fiction is unknowable, it is underdetermined. We have limited access to the historical Jesus.

[@landonbarretto4933]

@herbivoremd2592 You're so deluded.

[@landonbarretto4933]

@@wagsman9999 We have no access to the historical Jesus. It's all fabricated.

[@dulls8475]

@@wagsman9999 Your evidence that they were illiterate and uneducated?

[@DrinkTeaAndBreathe]

@@wagsman9999 True. Well said.

[@japexican007]

1. Every single time Jesus called Himself the “Son of Man.” The Pharisees sentenced Jesus to death for blasphemy due to Him using this title. Why? Because it’s a reference to the divine figure seen in the book of Daniel, chapter 7. We know this vision is exactly what Jesus intended to bring to mind when He used that title because at his trial he referenced this vision. “Again the high priest questioned Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”At this, the high priest tore his clothes and declared, “Why do we need any more witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy. What is your verdict?” “And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Jesus is claiming to be the son of man who sits at the right hand of power The son of man is given dominion(everlasting), glory, kingdom(shall not be destroyed), “that all people, nations, language, should serve him” “But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬ The “saints of the most high”, who is the most “high”? “until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭22‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Judgement was given to the saints of the most high” "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" "Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. " I WILL RAISE IT UP" “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live. Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die” why would God allow this even knowing that it would lead to confusion amongst the church and even scholars and atheists is God not powerful enough to put on human flesh and reveal himself by coming down to his own construct? Since God is spirit therefore unseen what is illogical about Jesus being "the image of the invisible God"

[@usponsvijestiuzisusakrista8185]

Amen

[@japexican007]

@@ConcedoNulli i watched the whole video, did you?

[@S_L__]

Also Matthew 3:17 - "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." and Luke 9:35 - "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him." I think that's a confirmation of Jesus' Divinity.

[@ruinzz.]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@ruinzz. In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@Lermer07]

Matthew 28:9 King James Version is a verse that isn't talked about enough. After Jesus rises from the dead, he says "Hail" and his followers worship at his feet.

[@qqqalo]

14:55 That's literally what they do. The verse after Jesus says "I am", it says "So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." (John 8:59).

[@r.a5765]

Exactly. It's crazy how baseless his claims are. Same thing with Mark 14:62-64. After Jesus affirms that he is the Messiah, the high priest literally condemns this as blasphemy. The verse goes on to say that they all condemned him as worth of death. Let us pray for Bart. That He would one day acknowledge the truth and reverse the damage he is doing in convincing people of this great lie that Jesus wasn't who He said He was.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@r.a5765 People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@pstbukkie]

43. He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says, 44 “ ‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.” ’ 45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?”

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@yohanebergerkouokamkuisu4238]

@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT You said it all. For those who have eyes, let them read.

[@Backswell]

THE LORD (God Almighty) said to my Lord (Jesus, the one who would sit on David’s throne forever, that God himself revealed to David in prophecy)

[@vhawk1951kl]

Lord is just another word for boss, or master, do there is no magic in the word'lord'.

[@JCMcGee]

There's a couple of times here when he talks about Pilate wanting to kill Jesus......didn't Pilate want to release him and was he not a bit surprised when the crowd decided to release Barabus?

[@deductivereasoning4257]

As soon as he acknowledges Luke, he's been duped...

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament. This guy is wrong. The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God. These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Jesus did say many times He is God. He also PROVED He was God by doing: miracles to prove He was God. Healing all sicknesses and diseases Raising the dead Walking on water Controlling the wind and the sea Turn water into wine Casting out demons Talking about the future what would happen He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once Telling people about their hidden past Forgiving sins While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance Rising from the dead after three days Luke 2:7 And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist). The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

[@xaviervelascosuarez]

Yes. But that's probably one of the parts where the Gospels aren't reliable. Do you know that there are parts of the Gospels that aren't reliable? "How can you tell the difference?" You'd ask... Simple: you ask Bart Ehrman. And don't go asking for contradicting evidence or any kind of proofs! The fact that Ehrman says it should be proof enough!

[@JCMcGee]

@@deductivereasoning4257 explain please...

[@deductivereasoning4257]

@@JCMcGee Luke and Paul were clearly grifters - if they were even real. Luke, who was most likely Greek, is known as the physician. Well, what medicine was he handing out? How was any medicine not ritual based? Why is it not common knowledge as to what he was handing out as medicine? Luke said to trust doctors because their knowledge was given to them by God. Uh, how is that not proof he was grifting? And then, the Catholics, who push Luke more than anyone, created the 1st hospitals. And why are those 2 the most pushed apostles when there are like 50 others? I mean, they didn't even run with Jesus, so why are they the most relevant? Makes no sense other than a grift. Paul claiming to be blinded and healed is the easiest ailment to fake. And then, was his name Saul or Paul? If he is was so relevant, why any confusion?

[@doomfathertm8771]

Jesus never said he was God.... Mathew 1:23, Colossians 1:15-20, Philippians 2:5-8, Hebrews 1:3, Proverbs 8:22-36, Colossians 2:9, John 10:30.

[@SmalltimR]

None of those are Jesus saying He was GOD lol If you want to see what GOD declaring Himself as GOD looks like, then look no further than the GOD of Jesus Christ - ie, I AM GOD, I AM GOD ALMIGHTY, WORSHIP ME, ETC. ETC, ETC That said and quite obviously, those claims you're citing, prove to be nothing more than the feeble fabrications of human conspiracies. GOD has no GOD - never did, never will.. no man has ever seen GOD, and so this Jesus was GOD conspiracy, is nothing but hogwash. - follow Jesus, not men!

[@jamessanders145]

I remember as a kid being very confused about the passage of the sin forgiveness precisely because he didn't directly reply with "I'm forgiving your sins".

[@billgreen576]

Sin is a word the religious use to keep you toeing the line. It is not a real thing.

[@jamessanders145]

@@billgreen576 I'm not talking about present views and I was referencing the passage that was mentioned during the discussion. Certainly there's a lot of control motivating the creation of all organized religion.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@pawoon]

No matter if he SAID it ir not, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE CANNOT DIE

[@vhawk1951kl]

Calm down dear, those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser but also declare to all the world that they are raving lunatics.

[@XnonTheGod]

Creators! last i asked Zues said he was partying with Thor and Odin to do some lightings on earth...

[@alexantollin564]

@pawoon, your mouth is the creator of the creator of the universe out of nothing but saliva with atoms

[@JesusLord_of_lords]

He gave up the ghost then resurrected. The tomb is empty..

[@redafx2527]

true

[@dogzdigital]

Great conversation. I always appreciate thoughtful conversation that takes a logical and thoughtful approach and not blind obedience to tradition.

[@joewhite4357]

They lie in the conversation though because Jesus claims to be son of the blessed one in Mark (the first gospel) so I don’t know what Alex and this guy are on about here. Mark 14: 60-62. Believe what you will but they lied here

[@bbb11110]

What's the logic behind saying such a shameful, disgracefull LIE? The Bible clarly mentions dozens of times when Jesus said HE IS GOD. (Ex John 14: 6-11). Maybe the Satan in this guy didn't let him read those parts...means all the Bible. How would this person teach his children not to lie when he lies as he breathes. Such a disgrace

[@dogzdigital]

@@bbb11110 I don't know which version of the Bible you are reading but Jesus does not say he is God in the Verses you mentioned.

[@bbb11110]

@@dogzdigital Any version

[@SamikMak]

Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Clearly if Jesus was considered to be the Messiah, which he did claim to be, he had to have supported this claim, that the messiah will be called Might God.

[@SmalltimR]

The title of God given onto those in subjection to YHWH GOD, does not make them equal-to or God themselves

[@theunapologeticjew]

11:37 I’m surprised Mr Ehrman has never pointed out that “I am” doesn’t work in Hebrew or Aramaic, only Greek and very few people in the Galilee spoke Greek

[@vhawk1951kl]

the romans spoke Greek because Greek was the lingua franca of the roman empire supposedly but nothing can be known of the past. There is simply no way of knowing who spoke what when and where nor how many. You may guess and believe but not know - directly immediately personally experience anything about the past, because the past cannot be verified. What is called history is and can only possibly be, belief, supposition or guesswork because the past cannot be directly immediate personally experienced or known, and that only leaves belief.

[@theunapologeticjew]

@@vhawk1951kl thanks for your comment. I disagree that history is simply belief. What I quoted is directly from a well known and respected historian. The not working part is a fact, the Tetragrammaton does not mean I am. Neither Hebrew nor Aramaic have a present tense being verb. I agree with Mr Ehrman though, Jesus never said it. It was added in Greek to his sayings much later. John’s writing is circa 100 CE

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@theunapologeticjew Belief is belief is belief whether it is is the belief of an historian or your or my belief or shit is shit and there is no non-shit shit, or slightly less shitty shit. There is simply no way of knowing what language whoever is being called Jesus spoke. Almost everything about whoever he was is third fourth fifth etc hearsay, and self evidently if Christianity was ever a living tradition it has now died out as such, or if I am wrong about that, it is being kept a very closely guarded secret. It occurs to me that what matters is whatever it was that he taught, not the language in which he taught, about which I have to confess I am more than a little hazy, but I would bet he tried to avoid the god word for obvious reasons.

[@forgivenessseeker2023]

Almighty God said: Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew); ho on (in Greek). Jesus Christ said: Ego eimi (in Greek). Ho on is not ego eimi. How can "ho ōn" even be confused with “ego eimi” on Greek? I believe that Jesus is not claiming to be God, he is claiming to be the Christ or Messiah.

[@theunapologeticjew]

@@forgivenessseeker2023 my Greek is not so good. So you are saying that even in Greek there is a difference between the verbs? Would not have Greek speakers known this? Why is the “I am” utterance in John taken as gospel then? Jesus would have spoken Aramaic. My historian states very little Greek in the Galilee

[@Iman-b6p]

When Jesus was supposedly crucified, who resurrected him? Who gave him life after death?

[@bonbondurjdr6553]

Death is the consequence of sin. He has not sin, the laws of death do not apply to him.

[@Iman-b6p]

@@bonbondurjdr6553 if he did not die then there was no resurrection.

[@JesusIsWithYouNowPrayToHim]

Read the Gospel of John, Jesus says l take my life and raise it up again!!!! ​@@Iman-b6p

[@vhawk1951kl]

There is just no curing you fcuk-the-commandments anthropomorphic idolaters of your idolatry is there? You cling onto your wretched totem fetish, image or idol like grim death, don’t you?

[@jasonmwaniki159]

Matt 16: 16-17 ... remember He has never denied when He was called God

[@EvilXtianity]

Jesus claimed to be God: John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“ Paul created Christianity in 48 AD and he stated that Jesus is God: Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.” John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God." John 20:28 Thomas declared, “My Lord and my God”. Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 "...the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:1 "...by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." John 8:58 "I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!" John 1:1, 14 "The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh". Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping him.

[@jasonmwaniki159]

He always knew who He was...there's 4 gospels all different in their own way, draw it from that context.. all these titles he was given and never denied them once... See what these titles reference in the OT what they mean...Son of man, Son of God, King of the jews... question you should be asking is not whether Jesus claimed to be God but why He came in the flesh... and when you say that the jews of the time were sceptical of him of course they were.. that is why the gospels were written.. I guess you also need to understand who God is and the trinity...UNDERSTAND. Why He came in the flesh. Understand why they called Him blasphemer. Understand why the pharisees were angry with him when he said He forgives sins and wanted to arrest him. Understand why He was forced to leave early after He healed him. UNDERSTAND why they crucified him. when his disciples called him God, he never denied it. He knew who He was. UNDERSTAND the full context...

[@PrinceofDisks534]

⁠@@EvilXtianityyour post shows you didn’t watch the video.

[@jasonmwaniki159]

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[@EvilXtianity]

@@jasonmwaniki159 _"....there's 4 gospels all different in their own way..."_ None of the Gospel authors witnessed Jesus.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

John 10:26-28 (NKJV) 26_But you do not believe, because you are NOT of MY SHEEP, as I said to you. 27_MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I KNOW THEM, and THEY FOLLOW ME. 28_And I GIVE them ETERNAL LIFE, and they SHALL NEVER PERISH; neither shall anyone snatch them out of MY HAND.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Micah 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting."

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@RichieB40444]

And always stated he was sent by the Father to do the Father's will. He even stated the the Father who sent him is greater than him so I don't understand how people think he is equal to the Father when he himself said the Father is greater than him who is sent.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

JOHN 3:16-20 (READ IT ALL) . 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God [g]is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

[@nad0862]

What’s your point you can believe in Jesus, follow his teachings and still not think he is a God but a messiah.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@nad0862 Nah if you don't believe He us God you will go to hell for your sins John 3: 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

[@nad0862]

It’s so funny cause your response just made my point thanks, just reread what you wrote !! If you believe in him you are saved it’s not written He who believes he is the son of God . Sons of God and children of God are all over the Bible, that does not mean they are literally his children ( and apparently you are not one of them with your foul mouth and ways (« Blessed are the peacemakers for they’ll be called children of God ») m. Lastly you don’t get to say who goes to Hell or not, who do you think you are to claim that, it’s pure blasphemy only God gets to decide.

[@Mrwick97]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 John 3:16 is a fabrication and interpolation

[@vladtepes9614]

The "anointing of kings" was a regional custom (Ancient Near East) that began long before the Israelites existed. It's spoken of in Hittite and Akkadian texts.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Who told you that "the "anointing of kings" was a regional custom (Ancient Near East) that began long before the Israelites existed. It's spoken of in Hittite and Akkadian texts", and why do you believe them? Reply

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@vhawk1951kl When God met Moses in the burning bush He referred to Himself as I AM. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” There you go Jesus called Himself God right there and the Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 There's just no curing you idolaters of your idolatry is there? Is there nothing you won't drag down into your anthropomorphic gutter? Chatty little thing your image, idol or fetish what? Just... like... you.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Is there*Nothing* that you will *not* drag down into your anthropomorphic idolater? gutter?

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@colinmurphy4403]

Jhn 14:1 Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God]; believe also in me. Jhn 14:2My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? Jhn 14:3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. Jhn 14:4You know the way to the place where I am going." Jhn 14:5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" Jhn 14:6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Jhn 14:7If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." Jhn 14:8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." Jhn 14:9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Jhn 14:10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Jhn 14:11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. Jhn 14:12Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. Jhn 14:13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

[@htxhallitronix1569]

Of myself, i can do nothing..

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@drilonkrasniqi9928]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Who was Jesus prayed to and why he learned and didn't know the season and hour

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@drilonkrasniqi9928 He never sinned, He becameman so He could die a sacrifice Receive the love of God or the Hate of the devil. Be Holy or be sinful. Choose light or stay in the darkness. Be selfless or selfish. Life or death. Right or wrong. Win or lose. Sins forgiven or spend eternity paying for your sins. Heaven or Hell. Choose life, choose Jesus today.

[@LuxuryBaybar]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 ignorance and rejection of truth also can lead to everlasting hellfire human are being blessed 🙌 out of many creatures by their creator to think not to be fed a senseless believe there's only 2 communities on this planet that believes in Jesus came and go and will surely return and the written is on the wall it's up to use God given knowledge and find out with sincerity and he will surely show you the way

[@CHRISTBRO]

@@drilonkrasniqi9928Because he was fully human. He’s also fully God. Everyone in this comments section just found out about day 1 reddit tier arguments smh

[@antonyvibe]

As if Revelation 22:13 is not enough "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

[@savepalestiniansnow]

Wrong doctrine 😅

[@Darit-zk4pl]

Your dedication to studying the Bible with thoughtfulness and logic is admirable. I suggest you further this journey by delving into the Quran. There, you'll discover intriguing chapters about Mary and Jesus, especially where Jesus explains his teachings on worship. Such study could broaden your perspective and deepen your understanding. Remember to approach this exploration with an open and humble heart. In seeking truth, guidance is invaluable. Should you choose not to engage with the Quran, it's important to reflect on the broader implications of rejecting different perspectives, much like some historical instances where new teachings were dismissed. May God, or Allah as He is known in Islam, guide us all towards the right path. Amin.

[@Junaid_277]

Trinity is the basic of Christianity, he is denying it.

[@Mike-qt7jp]

Hebrews 1:1-8 says, " God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they... But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him." And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.” But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;" Jesus doesn't need to call Himself God, the Father does.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Matthew 28:18 (NKJV) And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "ALL AUTHORITY has been given to ME in HEAVEN and on EARTH.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

@vhawk1951kl sorry for that if you feel abused. That wasn't my intention, I come from a country where we don't consider the use of cap letters as an abuse. Sorry for that!

[@grayintheuk8021]

Thanks Alex and Bart. Excellent video. :)

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@grayintheuk8021]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Thanks for the bunch of claims. Do you have any good and sufficient evidence for these stories that you were once convinced were true please? Without that someone could quote the Quran or Vedas back at you with exactly the same authority. Happy to hear what you have.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@grayintheuk8021 Thanks grey for your open mindness God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@wsmc14]

The fact that Jesus always refers to his “father”, that tells me there is some distinction in both role and power

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

That is heresy of aroism nothing new

[@wsmc14]

@@gabrielgabriel5177 ah I just call it common sense

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

@@wsmc14 well you did not understand the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. There is distinction between The father, the son and the holy spirit. Meaning that they are different hypostates. Son is not father and father is not the holy spirit byt the are all one. All of these hypostates have same divinity. There cannot be three gods becouse only one God can be allmaighty. These three are one God. Hypostate of Son speaks to hypostotate of Father.

[@wsmc14]

@@gabrielgabriel5177 lol.... please continue to tell me what I don't understand....

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

@@wsmc14 our Lord denied us throwing our treasures to dogs. So go and study the scriptures, fathers and teaching of the Church and ask guidance of the Holy Spirit. Maybe he will have mercy.

[@fadeitluie9356]

14:30 😂😂😂😂😂 they did KILL him, they held a trial with the romans cause they knew it was illegal to just kill him

[@omargaber3122]

38 Bible Reasons Why Jesus is Not God 1- God Doesn’t Change His Nature (Malachi 3:6 2- GOD Almighty is Greater than Jesus. (John 14:28 3- No one is “Good” including Jesus. Only GOD is” Good” (Luke 18:19 4- Jesus said he doesn’t know when the Hour will come. Only GOD Knows. (Mark 13:32 5- Jesus said that” OUR God is One GOD (Mark 12:29 6- Jesus also said “My GOD and your GOD” (John 20:17 7- Jesus bowed his face down to the ground to GOD Almighty. (Matthew 26:39 8- Jesus was tempted by satan for 40 days (Mat1:4 9- Jesus said he is a man (John 8:40 10- God is neither a man nor a son of a man (Numbers 23:19 11- No one can see God (1 John 4:20 12- God is the living and everlasting (Habakkuk 1:12 13- Jesus always confessed he is just a prophet sent by God (Matthew 21:10-11 14- God Declared Himself to be God, Jesus didn’t (Ezekiel 20:20 15- Jesus told his real mission was to preach not sacrifice Mark 1:38 16- Jesus desired Mercy not Sacrifice (Matthew 9:13) 17- Jesus referred to himself as Servant: Matthew 10:24, 24:45, 12:18 John 13:16 18- Jesus referred to himself as Prophet: Matthew 8:20 13:16,21:11, Mark 6:15, 6;4, 9;37, Luke 7:16, 9:8, 9:19, John 13:17, 7:16, 6:14, 7:40 19- Jesus referred to himself as Son of Man: Matthew 5:9, 17:22, 8:20, 18:11, 26:2, Luke 9:22, John 5:27 20- Jesus referred to himself as a Slave: John 13:16, Matthew 10:24 21- Jesus referred to himself as a Student: Matthew 10:24 22- Father is Greater than Jesus (John 14:28). How can someone be greater than God? 23- Jesus was taught by the Father (John 8:28) 24- Jesus can do nothing by himself (John 5:19, John 5:30) 25- Jesus does not even have his own doctrine (John 7:16) 26- Jesus ascended to his God (John 20:17) 27- According to Christians, Jesus died as recorded in Matthew 27:27-56 but Bible says that God is infinite Psalm 102:27-27 28- Jesus needed to Pray, Eat, Drink and Was Helped by Woman, as stated in Luke 8:1-3 but God in Bible is self-sufficient Psalm 50:12 29- The God remain the same in nature (Hebrews 1:12) 30- Jesus is the same human today, yesterday and forever (Hebrew 13:8) 31- Jesus could not saved anyone as he was even not able to save himself (Hebrews 5:1-8) 32- Jesus said he was sent to lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24) 33- God can not be born and perhaps form his own creation 34- Jesus never asked people to worship him 35- Jesus did not Teach Trinity 36- God is the essence of the worship. He is the object of worship. Had Jesus been God, he would have told people to worship him. Truly, he did the exact opposite as in Matthew 15:9 37- Jesus never call his followers Christians, Paul did 38- Jesus as a servant of God (Matthew 12:18)...

[@SmalltimR]

Most excellent - thanks!

[@fitness6681]

I’ve never understood Bart’s argument here. In Mathew it says, "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. Added to this The religious leaders of the time push for Jesus death continually accusing him of blasphemy. They hate him healing on a Sabbath but Jesus makes it clear he has the right as He is Lord of the Sabbath. He makes the same claim in Mark 14. Then read about John the Baptist’s response to Jesus. He was preparing the way for him. I just don’t get this argument

[@Engy-vz7fp]

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[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[@GolfnMoreclips]

Just truthful scriptural understanding. In the (9 ch) The prophet Isaiah writes prophetically concerning the Messianic Kingdom and its King, THAT* Almighty God Yahweh Annionted.. 💯 This Yeshua Hamashiach. Where he is mentioned as a [ "Mighty God"..Or "Mighty One" (hebrew Strong's 410 ) Reference verse -Psalm 45:3] and also "Prince of Peace" -Almighty God is NO one's SERVANT, OR PRINCE, EVER.... 💯 The IMPORTANT PART....Without the very NEXT verse, THIS IS taken out of context.. (Isaiah 9:7b) -The zeal of "Yahweh of Armies will perform this."] 💯 Almighty God Yahweh Will do this for his servant the Son. 💯 (Acts 3:13) NKJV [The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified* His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go] (The Glorified Christ, IS Yahweh's beloved servant) 💯 If you have learned the Bible from the churches of Christiandom ✝️ (false Christianity) you NEED to start reading the CONTEXT before and after the verse you are going to quote trying to prop up paganism the Polytheism of the Trinity Doctrine. ( Triune deities). The truth is simple. Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah you people

[@9hoot789]

@@GolfnMoreclips Praying for you ❤

[@GolfnMoreclips]

@9hoot789 I mean, thanks. But do you agree with all the truth found in my comments? If not, what scripture from God's Word do you reject? Thanks for your honesty and concise responses in advance. Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah, you people.

[@PC-vg8vn]

From the very first words of Mark's gospel, Jesus is portrayed as God. Mark, which Ehrman accepts is likely the earliest Gospel, appropriates verses from 2 Old Testament prophets which referred to God/Yahweh and applies them directly to Jesus. Funny that.

[@benjaminwhitley1986]

@PC-vg8vn Just to reiterate Ehrman’s point in reply to your comment here that “Jesus is portrayed as God” is definitely not the same thing as “Jesus claimed to be God” because in the gospel according to Mark or any of the synoptic gospels, Jesus never does. Alluding to or implying that another person is God is not the same as that person claiming to be God. Even in the gospel according to John where Jesus makes allusions to his being divine he also states in John 10 that “those listening to him are gods “elohim”. So, one could deduce or argue from his statement here is that what Jesus thought or claimed about himself was also true of those around him. 🤔

[@hasannawaz228]

​@benjaminwhitley5679 especially when he himself has stated they were messengers before him and they will be messengers after him, all the religious books have been tampered with by anonymous people

[@bigol9223]

@@benjaminwhitley1986 if it wasn't explicitly clear to their audience that the books they wrote documenting Jesus' ministry and crucifixion are framed all throughout by the context of the old testament, they could have just put words in His mouth if the point was to paint a false image.

[@nikostheater]

@@benjaminwhitley1986in Mark, Jesus claimed to be the Lord of the Sabbath, to the Pharisees he was arguing with about the observance of the Sabbath. Who’s the Lord of the Sabbath and why?

[@cujosandlot8233]

Matthew 9:2-6: Jesus forgives the sins of a paralyzed man, and when the religious leaders question it, he proves his authority by healing the man. Only God could forgive sins, so this implied divine authority. Matthew 11:27: Jesus says, “All things have been handed over to me by my Father,” and describes his unique relationship with God, showing an authority and intimacy that only God could have. Matthew 14:33: After Jesus walks on water and calms the storm, his disciples worship him and say, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Accepting worship, something reserved for God, shows he’s more than just a teacher. Matthew 16:16-17: When Peter declares Jesus as the “Christ, the Son of the living God,” Jesus confirms Peter’s statement as revealed by God, supporting his divine identity. Mark 2:5-12: Jesus again forgives a man’s sins, which the religious leaders call blasphemy since only God can forgive sins. Jesus heals the man, showing his authority as God. Mark 14:61-62: During his trial, when asked if he’s the “Christ, the Son of the Blessed,” Jesus says, “I am,” and speaks of himself as the “Son of Man” who will sit at the right hand of God. This is a clear claim to divinity, which leads to accusations of blasphemy. Luke 5:20-24: Similar to Mark, Jesus forgives sins and heals a paralyzed man, showing his authority over both physical and spiritual realms. Luke 22:70-71: When asked if he’s the Son of God, Jesus replies, “You say that I am.” This leads the council to charge him with blasphemy, as they understood this as a claim to equality with God. Luke 10:22: Jesus says, “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son,” which shows a unique, divine relationship with God.

[@ArthurWahoowa]

Ehrman's right that only the Gospel of John has Jesus claiming himself to be God, but the other sources do have him claiming some divinity (though not on full equality with God). Jesus notes himself as the "Son of God", which is either taken literally (as with most Christians) or taken just as a symbol of praise. If we accept the second thesis, then Peter, Mark, and Matthew should also be called "Sons of God", but obviously the title's meaning for Jesus is distinguished from the title's meaning for anyone else. Jesus explicitly claims Godhood in John, but claims some loosely-construed form of divinity in the other Gospels while even submitting to God in the personhood of the Father. Since Christians are not polytheists and affirm the existence of only one God, there cannot be some "lesser" form of divinity in Christian doctrine but only a single divinity, so it makes sense to simply state Jesus was "God", which Paul elaborates on in Philippians 2:6. The understanding of Jesus as completely equal to the Father is a misrepresentation of Trinitarian dogma. Trinitarians believe that Jesus had divinity, the Father had divinity, and the Holy Spirit had divinity. There only exists one divinity since God is one, so Jesus' divinity is equal to the Father's divinity. Yet Jesus still submits himself to the Father on basis of his human nature, so Jesus is also subordinate to the Father. Trinitarians don't claim to know how specifically this subordination happens, but it's logical to call Jesus God if he claims any form of divinity at all, even if it isn't direct Godhood, otherwise Trinitarians would be polytheistic.

[@MathewThomasFET]

Read the epistles. Php. 2; Titus. Etc. Jesus before the Sanhedrin in the gospels. Mk. 2 - Being Lord of the Sabbath. Lk. 7 - forgiving sins. (The reaction of those present - who can forgive sins except God). Try to understand that Jesus was accused of claiming to be God which His accussers said is blasphemy. They, in His time, understood what He was saying. Why don't you ❓

[@osman7900]

Since the original of bible is not English, it is quite possible that “son” and “father” were incorrect translations.

[@ArthurWahoowa]

​@@osman7900 If I recall correctly, terms like "Son of Man" are best understood in their meaning when cross-referenced with other parts of the Bible, specifically, the Old Testament, which talk about these terms in a bit more detail. It does not simply imply prophethood or being the messiah, it implies something deeper in the Old Testament.

[@osman7900]

@@ArthurWahoowa even within the Old Testament, the word that is translated as “son” may actually have different meanings in different contexts. In addition, considering that the original languages of the Old Testament and the New Testament are different, I am not sure how reliable cross-referencing those terms can be. I am kind of pre-opinionated regarding this issue. No offence intended.

[@ArthurWahoowa]

@@osman7900 No worries about offence, we are all trying to reach the truth in the best way we can. Thanks for the conversation. While the languages used was different (Hebrew vs Aramaic and Koine Greek), the authors of the New Testament were intentional about cross-referencing what they referred to as the scriptures in their revelations. So even though there is a language barrier, in my view it is reasonable to assume that cross-references mean a similar thing.

[@chriscross5188]

In the Gospel of Mark, second chapter, Jesus claims the authority to forgive sins (in a salvation sense, he is not forgiving the man he heals for sins he committed personally against him), which is also mentioned to be something only God can do.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@RhondaFranklin-s1b]

Why do people even have a question? The word FATHER indicates a superior position over a Son. Why make it like it’s complicated.

[@p13579a]

correct but they are both the same kind. Just like an ordinary father and son are both fully human. You are arguing that Jesus was fully God and I agree with you.

[@Shotzeethegamer]

Jesus explicitly said this several times. The trinity is throughout the old testament. The word of God was walking in the garden in genesis...

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Trinity was made up and voted by a ruling council of influential elders giving political and financial kickbacks to one another. It was a money and power grab.

[@weavehole]

The channel name may have changed to Alex O Connor but you'll always be Genetically Modified Skeptic to me.

[@keksteig387]

Lol. On a side note: Alex > Drew for me. Drew has this smarmy 🤓 energy that I can't dig

[@OldMotherLogo]

Alex was not Genetically Modified Skeptic, he was Cosmic Skeptic. GMS is Drew.

[@SinbadAkina]

​@keksteig387 I prefer cosmic too but that doesn't mean to say genetically doesn't offer a lot of good things he does got something about gum though you ain't lying

[@keksteig387]

@@OldMotherLogo the joke your head

[@ShowMeYoBoob]

he shouldnt change his name. CosmicSkeptic can attract new people to the channel, while Alex O Connor not so much as it doesn't give any context

[@basseliskandarani3137]

It does not matter what Jesus called himself ... what matters is what Paul called Jesus

[@mikepanable]

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[@solearesoul]

Jesus left his brother James to carry on the tradition that he had started. Paul took what he understood of the tradition, changed it a bit and ran with it. Paul and James did not agree on how Paul was teaching.

[@illerredshirt1]

Who is Paul? Did he die for your sins? Did he know Jesus personally? Did he walk with the apostles and Jesus? What Paul wrote is Paul's opinion. Would you base your faith on someone's opinion?

[@illerredshirt1]

​@@mikepanable Paul and James really didn't agree with each other. I think James was on better way.

[@Cotronixco]

And both Jesus and Paul agreed. Jesus is not God. Neither taught that myth.

[@GLeee14]

"Before Abraham was, I am" "Follow me and I will make you fishers of men" "I am the Good Sheperd" Jesus states He is God, not verbatim, but with basic reading comprehension. "My Lord, My God" Jesus affirming that He is God. "I and the Father are one" Jesus verbatim states that He is God.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@nuttybloc4321]

Gentile confounded

[@peeledbanana311]

Yeah I was about to quote the, "Before Abraham was, I am". He was obviously claiming to be eternal in that moment. No I'm not a Christian, just a fact that Jesus for sure claimed it.

[@Cats13]

Husband and wife are as one yet not the same

[@talhahabdullah8980]

​@@peeledbanana311well Lucifer demon Fallen angels also can claim this.

[@mamajan99]

The Father is greater than I" Jn 14:28

[@bestkrystal1349]

"Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." - Matthew 11:29-30 "Truly my SOUL FINDS REST IN GOD; my salvation comes from him. Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken." - Psalm 62:1-2 Jesus here quotes a phrase from Psalms 62:1, pointing out a relationship between him and God!

[@simonskinner1450]

When Jesus forgave or did miracles it was not a witness to himself, it was not he, it was God who entered in him by the Holy Spirit. The same happened to the apostles.

[@sulongenjop7436]

So good, God's spirit possesses a man and can do what God can do!!!😂

[@simonskinner1450]

@@sulongenjop7436 Well the amount of Spirit we have is only enough for communion, Jesus and the apostles were fully possessed. Although there seems to be a congregational Spirit enough to heal.

[@sulongenjop7436]

@@simonskinner1450 The spirit gives divine power to man so a man is not God. If God entered Jesus as Spirit, Jesus is still a man like you and me. God created Adam with a soul and God gave him the spirit so Adam can have the spiritual/divine power of God, however, Adam is still a man like us.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@sulongenjop7436 Indeed Jesus necessarily was a man so that he could be the Messiah. Jesus was the only prophet who qualified with Deuteronomy 18:18. He was born in the line of Abraham and David. My latest Ytube video in the series 'Myths in so-called Christianity', deals with John 3:13 which is not Jesus coming down from heaven.

[@buztur1064]

moses spliting the sea means what the? is he also God? Miracles doesn't make you God. It was done by the power of God.

[@dastanabilev]

Alex talking about theology while holding his cup of tea is so british. Love the series, Alex!

[@vhawk1951kl]

Would it still be whatever you mean by 'British' if the cup were empty or contained juice, gin, or beer?If you really wish to annoy an Englishman, tell him he is 'British'

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament. This guy is wrong. The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God. These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Jesus did say many times He is God. He also PROVED He was God by doing: miracles to prove He was God. Healing all sicknesses and diseases Raising the dead Walking on water Controlling the wind and the sea Turn water into wine Casting out demons Talking about the future what would happen He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once Telling people about their hidden past Forgiving sins While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance Rising from the dead after three days Luke 2:7 And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist). The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@a.b.b35]

@@vhawk1951kl O'Connor sounds very english to me

[@ANewCreation408]

How many time did in the book of John did Jesus refer to as the "I Am" - the same I AM in the burning bush that came to Moses.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@bennieboi99]

ehrman's point is that the author of john is painting jesus in this way, and that jesus probably did not make these statements.

[@Nahin-iy4cy]

And they follow nothing but assumptions ~Quran

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@bennieboi99 In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Nahin-iy4cy In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@The_Ark_Ministry]

Bart Ehrman’s claims overlook the multiple instances where Jesus clearly, if sometimes indirectly, claimed divinity in the Gospels. For example, in John 8:58, Jesus states, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” This phrase, “I AM” (Greek: Ego Eimi), directly echoes God’s self-revelation in Exodus 3:14: “I AM WHO I AM.” Jesus’ Jewish audience immediately understood this as a claim to divinity because they picked up stones to kill Him for blasphemy. Their reaction shows they recognized His statement as a divine claim, underscoring that Jesus was not using ambiguous language but was making a clear claim to be God. If Jesus was not claiming the divine name, why did His Jewish opponents try to stone Him immediately afterward? Wouldn’t they have ignored a mere teacher’s words rather than responding with accusations of blasphemy? How do you account for the repeated “I am” statements in John that align Jesus with qualities attributed to God-such as “I am the bread of life” and “I am the light of the world”? Isn’t this an intentional claim to the same name God uses, which His audience understood as a direct assertion of divinity? Another instance is found in Mark 2:5-7, where Jesus forgives the sins of a paralytic. The scribes react by saying, “Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Jesus does not correct them; instead, He affirms His authority by healing the man, thereby confirming His divine right to forgive sins. This was not merely a prophet’s authority; it was a claim to a uniquely divine prerogative, as forgiving sins was seen as something only God could do. If only God can forgive sins, why does Jesus declare forgiveness independently of the temple, sacrifices, or priestly rituals? Isn’t it significant that He bypasses the traditional Jewish system, indicating He possesses direct authority like God? If Jesus forgiving sins in Mark 2 isn’t a divine claim, why do the religious leaders accuse Him of blasphemy-something punishable by death? Wouldn't they have dismissed Him as another prophet rather than a blasphemer? Ehrman downplays the significance of the titles Jesus uses in the synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke). Titles like “Son of Man,” which Jesus often used to describe Himself, carry profound theological weight. In Daniel 7:13-14, the “Son of Man” is depicted as a divine figure with God’s authority and power, establishing an everlasting kingdom. By using this title, Jesus identified Himself with a figure understood to be both divine and messianic. This claim wasn’t added later; it aligns with the understanding of Jesus’ divinity in the synoptic Gospels and Paul’s letters. How would you explain Jesus referencing Daniel 7’s “Son of Man,” who is given eternal dominion and authority by God, while simultaneously identifying Himself with that figure? Isn’t this an undeniable claim of divine status? If Jesus wasn’t claiming divinity, why does the high priest in Matthew 26 tear his robes and accuse Him of blasphemy for affirming He is the “Son of Man” who will come on the clouds? Wouldn't this reaction seem overblown if Jesus was merely calling Himself a human prophet? Moreover, when asked directly if He was the Christ, the Son of God, Jesus affirms it and speaks of Himself as seated at the “right hand of Power” (Matthew 26:63-64, Mark 14:61-62). The high priest’s reaction-tearing his robes-shows that he understood Jesus’ response as a divine claim. Jesus was not vague; He identified Himself with the divine figure from Daniel 7, reinforcing His identity as God. In Matthew 12:8, Jesus says, “I am the Lord of the Sabbath.” By claiming to be “Lord of the Sabbath,” Jesus assumes a role reserved for God. The Sabbath was established by God, and the statement implies an authority over it that only the Creator could claim. Since the Sabbath was established by God as a covenant with Israel, what human could justly claim lordship over it? Isn’t Jesus, by claiming to be “Lord of the Sabbath,” implying a status equal to the One who created it? Ehrman suggests that because John’s Gospel was written later, it is the only one that explicitly portrays Jesus claiming divinity. But dismissing John’s account on the basis of its later composition overlooks its coherence with earlier traditions. John emphasizes Jesus’ divinity more explicitly, but this doesn’t contradict the synoptic Gospels; it complements them by highlighting themes that are implicitly present there as well. Given that Paul’s letters predate John and affirm Jesus’ divinity, how can it be argued that belief in Jesus’ divinity was a late addition? If Paul recognized Jesus’ divine nature, doesn’t this suggest that His followers believed in His divinity from the beginning? How would you interpret Philippians 2:6, which says that Jesus, “being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped”? Doesn’t this verse confirm that early Christians viewed Jesus as inherently divine, even before the Gospel of John was written? If the belief in Jesus’ divinity were a gradual development, why do we see explicit statements of His divine nature in early Christian writings like Philippians 2 and Colossians 2? John’s Gospel reflects the firsthand experiences of Jesus’ disciples, and the early church widely accepted it as written by one of Jesus’ closest followers. The unified message across all four Gospels-emphasizing Jesus’ unique authority, divine identity, and mission-offers a compelling cumulative case for His divinity. To claim otherwise is to ignore the harmony among the Gospels and the complementary perspectives they provide. Ehrman’s argument is largely one from silence-he assumes that because explicit statements like those in John do not appear identically in the synoptics, they must have been a later invention. However, the absence of direct language does not imply absence of belief. The synoptic Gospels contain numerous indirect claims and actions that imply divinity, as already noted. Ehrman’s claim downplays evidence in the synoptics while focusing narrowly on John. But the Gospels were written as part of a coherent narrative; their agreement on key elements, like Jesus’ divine authority and the worship He received, provides a consistent picture of Jesus’ identity. Jewish expectations for the Messiah were complex; many Jews expected a political deliverer, not a divine Savior. Jesus often communicated His identity through actions and indirect statements to challenge these preconceptions gradually. If Jesus had openly claimed to be God in a straightforward way, it would likely have led to premature opposition and hindered His mission. Instead, He revealed His identity progressively, allowing His followers to come to a fuller understanding over time. Peter’s confession of Jesus as the “Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:16) shows that this understanding did develop among His followers. If Jesus never claimed to be God, why did His closest followers-those who lived, ate, and traveled with Him-so firmly proclaim His divinity, even at the cost of their lives? Could it be that their testimonies are trustworthy and that Jesus’ words, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), were indeed a revelation of His true nature? If Jesus truly performed miracles, forgave sins, received worship, and identified Himself with divine authority, could it be that He was indeed revealing His divinity in a way that would challenge and transform the world? Perhaps the real question is not whether Jesus claimed to be God, but whether we are willing to recognize the evidence of who He is.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

John 11:25 (NKJV) Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

[@sokary8606]

Do you know the term: ''paraphrase '' ?

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

@@sokary8606 what for bro?

[@HowardHolloman]

God, who created everything, raised the dead, parted a sea, healed lepors, wasn't able to say the words, "I am God, and you are to worship Me." Make it make sense.

[@awecballwin77]

Because the word God didn’t exist then. God introduced himself in genesis “I am who I am” God is “to be, to be” forget the word god. You are trying to categorize something that is beyond space and time. Your question you’re looking for an answer for doesn’t exist. Don’t think of the word god and a category. God is “to be.” When you understand that. You will see the answer to your question is all throughout the Bible

[@avibhagan]

you are suffering from a bad translation , he never said that.

[@avibhagan]

@HalleluYAH7 revelations is the words of John , to the Asians: To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father-to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. 7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”[b] and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”[c] So shall it be! Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father - Jesuss clearly says that he frres us to serve HIS FATHER, HIS GOD. When Jesus says " “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God ", he is clearly speaking for his Father, and His God. Jesus was not saying that HE is God. And this is the words of Jesus, according to John. So no Jesus did not claim to be God in Revalation 1;8 , Jeusu was CLEARLY saying that , the lord god, his father (Jesus's father, and Jesus's god) said : " I am the Alpha and the Omega"

[@__sw__1]

​@HalleluYAH7notice how all the verses come from John The same exact gospel writer that pushed a burdening tradition of father and son unlike the first three gospels

[@Amin-y6v2r]

The word God was used by Jesus himself in John 17 3" this is eternal life that they may know you the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom YOU SENT"​@@awecballwin77

[@charlesrae3793]

The other option is that even if he did say " I am the way the life and the truth", this could be the equivalent of Al-Hallaj the Sufi saying " Ana Al-Haqq", in other words he perceived himself to be in communion with God. Similar comments have been made throughout Christian history as can be shown from quotations from Evelyn Underhill's classic work on mysticism. Incidentally, this was Florence Nightingale's understanding of such verses.

[@alhernandezsantana212]

Very strong point. Thank you

[@ShadowFungus]

John 10:30 “i and my father are one”

[@lebronbrady6638]

“Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I am'” (John 8:58)

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Philippians 2:6-8 (NKJV) 6_who, being in the FORM of GOD, did not consider it robbery to be EQUAL with GOD, 7_but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8_And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

[@johnrangi4830]

I could never figure out why people think anyone who is reasonable thinking would call themselves a god. Obviously if anybody did believe they were a god they would have to be cautious. Especially if they're going to say it out loud. people would consider it blasphemy. People would pick stones and be ready to kill him in that period of history. I believe some people would consider it to be justified by God in modern times, I have heard some Christian talking about how people could be stoned to death for blasphemy. that's one of the reasons I have always thought about it and asked why would he do that, but no one had a good answer or silenced me as a child. I didn't doubt that God exist when I was growing up because I was forced to believe otherwise I would receive a beating, We were slaves at their command. Why would anybody think that is a decent way of treating any human? Does that not sound like indoctrination, I think it's very similar. what do you think?

[@JP-sm4cs]

Buddy your trauma is really obscuring your thought process here

[@johnrangi4830]

@@JP-sm4cs how?

[@jacobalexander4167]

​@@johnrangi4830you really aren't thinking straight, maybe due to pasy experience or so, but I you suggesting we throw away all records of early fathers of the church and even the testimony of roman officials that weren't even Christians too just to buy what you're selling

[@johnrangi4830]

@@jacobalexander4167 I think there is nothing wrong with my critical thinking thank you. I noticed you are busy trying to hunt for excuses. Here's an idea don't pretend you know something about a person when you don't. My state of mind is my business and you don't have access to it so don't pretend you know anything because obviously you can't read someone else's mind.

[@johnrangi4830]

@@jacobalexander4167 perhaps you should stop relying on church fathers and worry about if there is any truth to what the Bible says in the first place. There is no point agreeing with a bunch of humans until evidence can be provided. No evidence no reason to believe.

[@TheRealCSD6]

Thomas called Jesus "My Lord, and my God," and Jesus replied "Now you believe? Blessed are those who believe without seeing." If he wasn't God he would have said not to call Him that. He refers to Himself as the 'I AM' multiple times which led to the jews to wanting to stone him all the time. Multiple times it's said his followers worshipped him and Jesus never stops them. And he claims oneness with God multiple times. This argument that he wasn't atleast implying that he's God is ridiculous.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@Daniel_Deen]

What about the God that jesus prayed to? If we repent to God (the spirit) who jesus prayed to, do you think jesus will condem you for that? The father is greater than man right? It was God the spirit that brought jesus back after 3 days. In my opinion, you cant go wrong when you worship God in spirit and not the man. Im on a spiritual journey and asking as many questions as i can on subjects im not familiar with. ​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

[@TheRealCSD6]

@Nasir.Ali33 Actually God as the Holy Spirit helps you repent and pray and guides you to Jesus. Jesus is the one who reconciles us with the Father.

[@Daniel_Deen]

@@TheRealCSD6 why does he guide you to Jesus?

[@TheRealCSD6]

@Nasir.Ali33 Because that was what Jesus said The Spirit was being sent for. Jesus was the one who was sacrificed and died for our sins. He said no one comes to father except through Him and He is the way, the truth, and the life. The Holy Spirit is God like the Father and the Son but each has a different role in your salvation. One cannot truly live by the Holy Spirit if one denies the Father or the Son and vice versa. For example one can say they have Jesus as their lord but if they reject the Holy Spirit then they are committing a sin. And if one Rejects Jesus then he says they reject thr Father as well.

[@zebra301]

4:08 "it'd be a mistake to say that he was covering it up so that they wouldn't kill him because he isn't crucified for claiming divinity" ... 14:55 "he would have been stoned to death (if he claimed divinity)." how didn't alex catch this contradiction?

[@Stabsdagoblin]

Note the difference in execution between stoning and crucifixion. But even ignoring that it's still not a contradiction. None of the accounts of Jesus's Death say it was because of him claiming divinity. This is a solid indicator the Roman's did not believe he was claiming divinity as otherwise they would have killed him for that specifically. They wouldn't wait for some other reason.

[@andrewbryce2707]

The idea that God could be killed is totally ridiculous. All powerful God nailed to a cross and humiliated. I went to a CoE school and since I was 13 I was questioning the trinity and contradictions I was seeing in the bible. Nobody could give me a clear answer and was the reason I could never accept the Christianity faith.

[@voxpopuli8132]

1) In The Parable of the Wicked Husbandmen, also known as the Parable of the Bad Tenants, Jesus very clearly refers to himself as the Son of God. 2) Also, when he said: "Before Abraham was, I am" - they grabbed stones to stone him, for the punishment of Blasphemy. 3) He admitted to the question of Caiaphas: Tell us, are you the Christ, the Son of God?” Jesus answered, “Yes, I am." So, YES, Jesus DID claim he is God.

[@johnzuma4688]

Alex is not interested in any contradictions or beliefs Ehrman holds.

[@johnzuma4688]

@@Stabsdagoblin The difference is that stoning could be done by the Jews and crucifixion only by the Romans. And the Romans could not have cared if someone called himself God, that is why the Jesus leadership changed the reason for getting Jesus executed from blasphemy to being the king of the Jews. We read in Mark 14:61-64 English Standard Version >> 61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” 63 And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? 64 You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Colossians 1:13-19 (NKJV) 13_He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14_in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. 15_He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16_For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17_And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18_And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. 19_For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Revelation 7:10 (NKJV) and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

[@vhawk1951kl]

Hmmm Revelation having been written by someone who was either very drunk or doing some very heavy drugs indeed.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@vhawk1951kl People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@Jefff72]

I was raised Lutheran and started questioning this over 20 years ago.

[@nationalguard226]

Islam answer that.

[@federicobiondi431]

check catholic church faters

[@Jamie-mx6ic]

With what? Muhammad fucking a 9 year old named aisha? Get out of here, terrorist​@@nationalguard226

[@johndavolta3124]

​​@@nationalguard226 Islam answers nothing. Is just a convoluted evil cult. Weren't they the ones that crashed four airplanes and killed 2000+ people because they believed the would get 72 virgins?

[@NikolaTesla_369]

​@@nationalguard226answers what? That you get multiple wives in Heaven 😂😂😂😂😂

[@robinsajani8763]

Correct me if i am wrong in any of what i say. At 9.12, Alex says Jesus sent the disciples in his name before his ascension. That's in John, but they are explicitly referring to the synoptics, so this doesn't make sense. Besides that, Jesus calls them to forgive others the same way he does on the sermon on the mount, so there isn't that same level of authority given to forgive sins, thus not giving them divine status. In Matthew 26:64-66, as many people refer to, the priests tore their robes off at his blasphemy. I couldn't find any other meaning of blasphemy, both greek and english, that didn't refer to misuse of language when coming to God. The 1st century Sanhedrin knew exactly what that meant (he did not deny the title 'Son of God' rather He said they were right in saying this) and so accused him of this. To refer to why he was killed, Bart I'm sure is right. His plaque by the cross read 'King of the Jews'. But the Jews who did not believe in Jesus twisted it to make it sound like He was claiming to be above Caesar, which resulted in death. The Jews still knew exactly what He claimed to be and wanted him dead for that, but couldn't charge him legally (again not 100% sure). Finally, if Jesus was not God, his sacrifice means nothing for the forgivness of sins. If Jesus was a man highly inspired by God (yet still only a man), this means that there was a way to live free of sin. Jesus came because, as Paul said, "All have fallen short" and "the wages of sin is death". Therefore humans simply cannot live the life we are expected, but Jesus came - fully God and fully human - to live a perfect life we cannot attain, and produce a better covanent as Hebrews talks of. Thus before God we stand pure and clean because of Jesus' death and resurrection, and whoever would believe this may have eternal life.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@SIFAMANGANI]

Name the verse where Jesus is claiming to be God

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@SIFAMANGANI There are many, here is one When God met Moses in the burning bush He referred to Himself as I AM. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” There you go Jesus called Himself God right there and the Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God

[@johna-h2m]

John 10:30-36 “I and the Father are one.”, Mark 2:5-7 When Peter confesses Jesus as “the Messiah, the Son of the living God,”, John 8:58:, Jesus says, “Before Abraham was, I am.”, John 20:28: When Thomas calls him “My Lord and my God,”, John 14:9-11: Jesus tells his disciples, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father,” suggesting that he reveals God directly and completely. John 17:21. Jesus frequently refers to himself as the “Son of Man,” a term rooted in the Book of Daniel (7:13-14)

[@marvross3928]

excellent video... great questions, clear answers... wonderful production standards

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament. This guy is wrong. The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God. These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Jesus did say many times He is God. He also PROVED He was God by doing: miracles to prove He was God. Healing all sicknesses and diseases Raising the dead Walking on water Controlling the wind and the sea Turn water into wine Casting out demons Talking about the future what would happen He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once Telling people about their hidden past Forgiving sins While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance Rising from the dead after three days Luke 2:7 And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist). The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

[@Mar-dk3mp]

That another reason why I can not be a godless alone person: well I am not jelous and desperate because other people have God in their life and trust him, while you have not 8but you can not admit)... The reason behind thos godless alone people talk always about God and Christianity is that there is nothing much to talk about Aheims... it is just an empty Cult, plus it does not lead to anywhere and leads to nothing.. . then atheism lead only to the lonlynes (as you do not have God in your miserable Life, we have what you do not, you Idiot)... And you run to kiss godless ass for that... You just worth as your cult, so : 0... No respect for you... But let's hope for a better generation, this one is so lost... They left God for nothing. Let's really Hope in a better generation. (and keep remember God is what you do not know, and as any Goddenier you are a lier). (Do not write me, you are not wroth of my time) They are realy pathetic as their cult called Atheism... and can not pity for that... and mostly kiss godless ass that talks contantly and more then we believers about Christianity and God, you can not be that stupid and alone to do not get there is something broken and wrong in atheims and its BS. No respect for you!

[@johnzuma4688]

Now look at what the critics say so that you can get a balanced view.

[@chrisburright9854]

Highly educated men straining at gnats.

[@Mar-dk3mp]

@@chrisburright9854 LET’S REPEAT THO THOSE GODLESS ALONE PEOPLE TRAPPED INTO THIS EMPTY CULT THAT DOES NOT LEAD TO ANYWHERE BUT OBSESSION AND LONLYNESS…. POOR FOOLS AND LIERS AS ANY GODENIERS (By the way this godless alone people who you leak his ass is just ridicolopus like you and your atheism) Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone. And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite. This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves. They have less sacred things then us... what an idiots they are for that too. Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost. You are into an empty cult that leads you nowhere... No respect for you, godless ass kisser.... You really left God to put BS and emptiness in your miserable Life. No Pity for you. (God is always you do not know)..... We need to move to a better generation, and Hope godless alone people like you will not exist anymore in the future (you are worthless your cult called atheism). What you realised that Etheism is just an empty cult? That Have nothing to offer to you, or to the humanity? It leads to nowhere? To the Obsession for God? For Christianity? That there is not comfort on it??? We have what you do not have (God) and more and precious things in your life that in your godless alone miserable life. Poor fool And that live and die as an alone godless person is not the best you can have? Just as have the idea that once you die you will be Nothing (and Nothing you are now, as you become what you think you will be once death) is not the best for your mental and psychological stability? Or have sacred things (as other people have) and you do not (such God) is so idiot that you are rething about everything and start to believe that Atheism is not but a BS, and a trap you are in????? Those are just pathetic people just as their empty cult called atheism... Let's hope in a better generation and forget about this godless one......

[@danx3504]

This bloke is 100% right. Jesus never EVER claimed to be God. True that 100%

[@SmalltimR]

He is right about that, and a few other things - though he is wrong on many other things as well That said, Jesus Himself said it - I am the son of GOD

[@danx3504]

@SmalltimR what u talking about young fella. Jesus never claimed EXPLICITLY being the son of god. He always refer to himself as the Son of Man

[@SmalltimR]

​@@danx3504 While it is true that Jesus mainly identified Himself as the son of man on earth, it is also notable that Jesus did in-fact identify Himself as the son of GOD both directly and indirectly on multiple occasions. That said, it is also worth noting that scripture testifies to Jesus' unique genealogy in-that He was both a son of man(born of the line of David), as well as a son of GOD(born of Holy Spirit). As for the aspect of Jesus being as son of GOD, we can conclude the following in accordance with scripture; _'...the Good News of Jesus Christ, the _*_son of GOD'_* - Mark 1.1 _'...therefore also the holy one who is born from you will be _*_called the son of GOD'_* - Luke 1.35 _'I have seen and have testified that _*_this is the Son of GOD'_* - John 1.34 _'Nathanael answered him; Rabbi, _*_you are the son of GOD,_*_ you are King of Israel'_ - John 1.49 _'...I have come to believe that _*_you are the Christ, GOD's son,_*_ He who comes into the world'_ - John 11.27 _'when the centurion and those watching saw... saying; _*_truly this was the son of GOD'_* - Matthew 27.54 _'...Jesus said ...for the glory of GOD, _*_that GOD's son_*_ may be glorified by it'_ - John 11.4 _'...what do we have to do with you, _*_Jesus, son of GOD...'_* - Matthew 8.29 *_'...you are the Christ, the son of GOD...'_* - Luke 4.41 _'...the unclean spirits... fell down and cried - _*_you are the son of GOD'_* - Mark 3.11 _'they said, He trusts in GOD - let GOD deliver Him, if He wants Him; _*_for he said - 'I am the Son of GOD'_* - Matthew 27.43 _'the Jews answered him - 'we have a law, and by our law He ought to die, _*_because He made Himself the son of GOD'_* - John 19.7 _'they all said - _*_'are you then the son of GOD?',_*_ Jesus said to them; you say it, _*_because I am'_* - Luke 22.70 _'it is written that you may believe that _*_Jesus is the Christ, the son of GOD,_*_ and that believing you may have life in His name'_ - John 20.31 _'...Jesus answered; 'blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, _*_but my Father who is in heaven'_* - Matthew 16.15-17 _'most certainly I tell you... _*_the dead will hear the son of GOD's voice..._*_ for as the Father has life in Himself, even so, He gave to the son to have life in Himself. He also gave Him authority to execute judgment, because _*_He is a son of man'_* - John 5.25-27 _'...when Jesus heard it, He said; this sickness is not to death, but for the glory of GOD, _*_that GOD’s son_*_ may be glorified by it'_ - John 11.4 _'...the high priest asked Him; _*_are you the Christ, the son of the blessed one?_*_ Jesus answered; _*_I am,_*_ and you will see the son of man seated at the right hand of power, and coming with the clouds of the sky'_ - Mark 14.61-62 And least but not last, in response to accusations that He was making Himself GOD, Jesus said; *_'...because I said, ‘I am the son of GOD?’_* - John 10.36 And finally and if we needed anymore written testimony toward matters - we can look to the words of Jesus' own GOD and Father; _'behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is my beloved son, with whom I am well pleased'_ - Matthew 3.17 _'I will tell of the decree: YHWH said to me; you are my son - today I have become your Father'_ - Psalm 2.7 _'...behold, a voice came out of the cloud, saying; 'this is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased - listen to Him'_ - Matthew 17.5 _'...a voice came out of the sky saying; you are my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased'_ - Mark 1.11 _'...the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of the sky, saying; 'you are my beloved Son. In you I am well pleased'_ - Like 3.22

[@Uwu-fn1js]

Did you even read the Bible in context or even bothered to... Ofc not!!!

[@danx3504]

@Uwu-fn1js young man I'm a former Christian I can tell u Jesus is not God or the Son of God. He will never be. U blokes back it up with I AND THE FATHER ARE 1 or IF YOU'VE SEEN ME YOU'VE SEEN THE FATHER blah blah blah etc. There's not a single EXPLICIT verse Jesus said he is God. Not one. Jesus instead said EXPLICITLY Luke 4:8 "For it is WRITTEN, worship the lord your God and ONLY HIM u shall serve" Jesus also EXPLICIT said Mark 12:29 "This is the most IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT "O Hear O Israel the lord your God is ONE" Jesus also said EXPLICITLY John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know u the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom u have sent"

[@michaelsommers2356]

"I am what I am, and that's all that I am." -- Popeye the Sailor Man. Was Popeye claiming to be god?

[@stroshow5]

Yes

[@ParanormanActivityCenterCD-ROM]

Look at those arms dude...

[@gloriaf6971]

😂😂😂

[@vhawk1951kl]

Are you claiming to be an adult? No, I rather thought not

[@michaelsommers2356]

@@vhawk1951kl I merely claim that I am what I am, and that's all that I am.

[@pedroappa7]

It's a very simple question to me. Jesus doesn't say "I am God" with this exact words because He is the Son of God and He wants the people to differentiate them. They have the same divine essence, but the Son in fact came in a role of obedience to save all the people and reconnect them to God the Father. Jesus in fact made several claims that He is God, having the same essence of Him, but He did that in a manner that people would believe in his divine essence but differentiate, because they are two different people with different roles. He was made of flesh, bones and blood after all, He was human and God the Father is not human. In many passages of Matthew, one of the books that Bart mentioned that He doesn't claims, He accepts worship, says about His authority in heaven and earth, promise to be continually present, puts himself in the same level of God and the Holy Spirit, Walks on water and more. The only question I ask everyone is this: Could He who is only a prophet do all this?

[@SmalltimR]

Nowhere is it written that Jesus has the same essence as His own GOD and Father - revealing suyh claims to be that of human fabrications That said, and quite obviously, Jesus does not have equality with His own GOD and Father, as He has a source and cause, and in contrast with His Father, who is without source and cause. That is why there is only one will being done in creation, and that is the the will and creation of Jesus' own GOD and Father alone. - follow Jesus, not men!

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

That is interesting. That seems like one of those talking points us atheist types would know about and argue but I've never heard it before. Not until John. That's significant. John used language that modern evangelicals are very comfortable with. That's why they tell you to start with John and print up little pamphlets of the book of John. John has none of those little uncomfortable passages that would make a skeptic go "WTF?!?!". "Let us make man in OUR image." or "Iron chariots." etc.

[@hubertagamasu6283]

How about Mark 1 calling Jesus God?

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

@@hubertagamasu6283 What? So, you're saying Bart Ehrman is wrong and in Mark Jesus says he's God? I don't really know what you're saying.

[@Arexion5293]

@@hubertagamasu6283 The "Son of God" is only in later Manuscripts, not earlier. It is a later addition. More modern translations even point this out. Mark 1 doesn't call Jesus as God anywhere regardless, as even Son of God is more of a title that isn't exclusive to Jesus.

[@hubertagamasu6283]

@@Arexion5293 I'm not sure I spoke about "Son of God" in my article but "Son of Man". Please, read my article well.

[@Arexion5293]

@@hubertagamasu6283 Son of Man is irrelevant to the claim of being a god. It is not a title with such a meaning back when these oral traditions existed. So only "Son of God" would be somewhat related, but even that is more of a role bestowed upon an earthly representative of god like King David was once.

[@acesius393]

The gospels call him "Lord". In the septuagint (that the synoptic gospel authors are using as source material), Yahweh is translated as Lord (Kyrios). That is a word consistently used throughout the septuagint to refer to God and only God. Therefore, when they write "Jesus is Lord" all over the place, they are saying he is Yahweh or God.

[@Aws1962]

There is no word Yehweh (YHWH) in any of the 27 books in the NT. Jesus and his disciples were jews and they spoke Aramaic. Neither Jesus nor his disciples could have conversed in a foreign language, Greek and we don't know how they address Jesus and God in Aramaic.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@Aws1962]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You don't need to read whole bible to findout that the bible books are contradicting each other. For instance Exodus 6:4 says God is known to Abraham, Issac and Jacob as El-Shadai (Almighty). God did not reveal them as Yehweh. But in Genesis (22:14) says Abraham namer the mountain as Yehweh -Yirah. How Abraham knew the word Yehweh before God reveal him as Yehweh?

[@TyroneKozlowski]

There is only one way to Heaven, and that’s through Jesus Christ.

[@Chinesemapper403]

😂😂😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Chinesemapper403 All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@Puketapu]

True. Luckily I don’t believe in either of those things

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Puketapu I’m for you not against you. Jesus is not some bad Person to Believe nor is He made up (look at all the attention He gets). He is not a hypocrite either. He practiced what He preached. He is Loving but also Just; So, He will punish sinners like any just judge would. But followers of Jesus are exempt because the precious Blood of Jesus atones for their sins.

[@thefaithfulchristian2035]

John 14: 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us. John 14:9 Jesus replied, "Philip, Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father?

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

I have had both Heaven and Hell experiences I can go on for a long time so here is the short form. Heaven: I was taken on an helicopter ride and I was observing building and I was saying wow, wow on repeat. Another time I was near a big building and there was a radio singing worship songs to Jesus (it sounded so good). Once the Holy Spirit told me “do you want me to take you to Heaven” I answered “No” then He said “Just know we are preparing a banquet” Jesus is awesome, do not miss out om being with Him forever.

[@LukasBarcz]

I encourage everyone--especially atheists--to read the synoptic gospels just so you can realise how ridiculous a claim this man is making. It is especially damaging to atheist talking points as it is probably the easiest false claim to knock down. Jesus does claim to be God multiple times in the synoptic gospels. Two straightforward examples are: Matthew 16:16 -- You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Mark -- I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. (Note that "I am" is the most direct claim to Godship in the bible as it is how Yahweh identifies. Even so, the claim only works because Bart ignores the rest of the New Testament. St. Paul's letters for instant predate all the gospels yet they all claim that Jesus is God. Titus 2:13 -- waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ. Philippians 2:6 -- Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage. His argument that John comes after the synoptic gospels and therefore is invalidated is absurd. By the same logic those very same gospels would be invalidated by the fact that St. Paul's letters predate them. St. Paul's letters claim that Jesus is God.

[@LukasBarcz]

I can only assume Bart Ehrman's hatred for Christianity has led him to make such absurd claims. The fact that he's selling a course on the subject also leads me to believe he's being deliberately obtuse for nefarious reasons. Please--as a message to Christians and atheists alike--don't take the words and lectures of anyone as fact when you can read the sources for yourselves.

[@alexanderfloyd5099]

Most atheists were once Christians. Unlike most Christians they actually read the Bible. That’s a common way for a Christian to become an atheist. Ehrman’s claims really aren’t too different than the traditional Christian point of view. If the Bible said Jesus was god then the Council of Nicaea wouldn’t have been needed to proclaim Jesus god. That’s 300 years into Christianity.

[@EnglishMike]

In Matthew 16, at best, Jesus agrees with Peter's statement that he is "the Messiah, the Son of the living God". He does not outright say he's God incarnate. Bart's thesis is that believing he was the Messiah or the Son of Man, or the Son of God is not the same as Jesus (or his followers) believing he was God himself, in the flesh. He claims that was a later development as the faith evolved over the first few decades. He might be wrong, but it's certainly not as ridiculous as you claim if you don't look at it through Christian eyes.

[@EnglishMike]

@@LukasBarcz If there's one thing I know about Bart Ehrman having read a couple of his books and watched a bunch of his lectures and debates, it's that he doesn't hate Christianity or Christians. Far from it, in fact. The fact that you would slander him in this way shows that you are too blinded by you faith to think straight, or perhaps it is you who has the nefarious intent to deliberately denigrate the character of someone just because he dares to have a different opinion of what happened two thousand years ago. Having been a New Testament scholar for four decades, he clearly knows far more about the New Testament that you will ever know. If this is how you behave as a Christian, then why should anyone take your comments seriously?

[@LukasBarcz]

@@alexanderfloyd5099 I disagree with the line of argument that the Council of Nicea wouldn't have needed to proclaim Jesus God. To this day different sects are made constantly which reject the idea that Jesus is God. It is a constant struggle which needs constant affirmation. However both St. Peter and St. Paul believed Jesus was God as made evident in their letters. St. Peter especially is the authority as he was placed in charge by Christ after his death. The "traditional Christian point of view" was St. Peter's view. Gnostics and such arose too but they go directly against scripture. Heresy has always and will always be a problem in the church. The point I was making is that Jesus did claim to be God according to the scriptures, the testimonies of St. Peter and St. Paul, and the early church fathers.

[@Roguescout7]

Is no one going to address the fact that it's never mentioned that Jesus rebuked anybody claiming His Lordship?

[@jgoeg8922]

Lord vs God at that time were very different. Many many people were called lord.

[@Roguescout7]

@jgoeg8922 anything about being God in general, is what I mean.

[@mutamirmukhzani1240]

Maybe because they didn't know how to CAPS or SHIFT yet? It's probable

[@vytah]

He did, although indirectly: Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. (Luke 18:19) My Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

[@jaromsmiss]

@@vytahLmao no he didn’t, this is such a weak argument

[@mnoorbhai]

My father is greater than I

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@mnoorbhai]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 And what for him to spank the adulterous people who made him ,God, son of god , worshipped him as a dirty , when he never claimed divinity ..JC will clearly state I cannot do anything with the Lord,s will .and never claimed I am God , worship me .Read your Bible properly without the corrupted trinity concept .

[@Arctic5fox]

I can see you keep cutting and paste the same sentence all over​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

[@tspfab7309]

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me" Why do you guys think the jews said he was blaspheming? Because he claimed equality with the father.

[@mnoorbhai]

@@tspfab7309 JC pbuh never claimed divinity or said I am God .. He always glorified God as higher power thriu whom he could do things WITH HIS ( GOD's)will and leave .

[@matthewlockhart6159]

"I am" is a statement of identity and is often translated "I am he", "I am the man", "it is I" in the NT. Saying _ego eimi_ isn't a claim to be God, as the blind man said it too (John 9:9). In context, Jesus was saying Abraham foresaw the Day of Christ and was glad and declared "Before Abraham was, I am he (who Abraham saw)." Of course because Jesus 'existed' as part of God's plan for redemption (not literally existed, until he was born).

[@SmalltimR]

As He was in heaven prior-to earth, it would make perfect sense that Jesus was claiming to have been in existence at the time Abraham was alive on earth - hens, the conversation, in-that they were asking Him if he was 'greater' than their forefather, and moreso, where Jesus' claim was in-effect claiming to be just that, as GOD's firstborn son, of whom we read, would be established(on a throne) by GOD from eternity past. And so the problem you see, is that people tend to come into such topics with preconceived views or beliefs, that would otherwise govern their interpretations, though it isn't until we approach matters with an open heart and open mind, that we find all of the pieces fitting together perfectly - that is to say, that Jesus is, was, and always will be, GOD's firstborn son, and who was with GOD prior-to the beginning of creation, and who is now leading GOD's fallen children back to where they belong.

[@matthewlockhart6159]

@@SmalltimR Except he didn't. He 'existed' in the 'mind' of God, as the solution to man's eventual fall (and need for redemption), but let's not forget the fact that historical figure of Jesus of Nazareth was physically born out of a woman's womb at a point in time (~2,000 years ago). Just as "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" does not mean literally mean Jesus was executed prior to human history lol, so too does "Before Abraham was, I am (he)". Jesus was talking about being the one whom Abraham foresaw, as his coming day was God's plan. Of course the Jews misunderstood him. Even a member of the Sanhedrin thought 'born again' meant reentering a woman's womb lol.

[@smalltimer4370]

​@@matthewlockhart6159 As there is no such thing as Jesus existing in the mind of GOD written anywhere in scripture - such claims, prove to be the product of human imaginations rather than written truth. Likewise, the claim that the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, also proves to be problematic, and as this proves to be a translation issue rather than a contextual one, as we find the parent texts do not convey such a thing, here again, revealing man-made beliefs rather than written truth - and moreso, that the moment we approach matters with an open heart and mind, that of the pieces come together perfectly, and without the for adding or removing anything to the texts. NB, you should really consider testifying to the truth without manmade doctrines and beliefs, as we are warned against such things, and where the truth will always prove itself by way of GOD's written word, rather than men

[@matthewlockhart6159]

@@smalltimer4370 False. The universe itself is a product of God’s ‘Logos’ (meaning reason, plan, word). Similar to how one, who wants a kid, imagines and plans out what they’ll be like before they’re born. Only once the kid is born does that plan “become flesh” (comes to fruition). The Logos, as Philo said, is “neither uncreated as God, nor yet created as you (humans)” but rather “a hostage, as it were, to both sides.” Paul, another Hellenistic Jew, echoes this in 1 Timothy 2:5, saying “There is one God and one mediator between God and men: the man Christ Jesus.” Notice he does NOT call him “the God-man” or some such trinitarian nonsense. Paul makes a clear distinction between God and Jesus, especially in Ephesians 4:6, where he rightly declares “One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in ALL.” The same cannot be said of Jesus.

[@SmalltimR]

@@matthewlockhart6159 What is false exactly? It would appear that you are now appealing to a straw-man to the reality that there is no such thing as Jesus existing in His Father's mind in scripture. As for the logos being anything other than an abstract for GOD's spoken word carried-out in agency, your proposed explanation outlines the detriment that comes by adding and removing to scripture, and at the cost of the simplicity of the truth - that is to say, that this always leads us away from the simple truth, rather than gaining clarity. NB, I think it's important to outline that we are in agreement that Jesus is neither equal-to nor GOD Himself, and moreso, that the truth cannot come as a reflex to false teachings, but moreso, that it must stands on it's own, without the addition or removal of anything. And moreso, that Jesus' existence prior-to earth is never defined as a figment of GOD's imagination, but rather, that His presence in heaven prior-to earth, is defined in the form(outward shape) of GOD, and who was then revered for exercising obedience(ie, action), by 'not seeking' equality with GOD, while in said form - see That is why we find Jesus identified before all things, and that all things were made through(or by) Him - here again, not as a figment of GOD's imagination, quite rather, that He is described as a worker at His Father's side, carrying-out His Father will accordingly. And thus, we read, that when Jesus returned to heaven, and after saying He would return to where He was before, would not prove to be a figment of GOD's imagination, but very literally, to take His place at His Father's side - that is to say, by once again, receiving the glory that He shared with His Father before the world existed, and thus, prior-to being born a man on earth. And so, in-spite of the efforts made to avoid the complete lack of scriptures identifying Jesus in His Father mind, or that such a view proves to be entirely based on the word of men, the fact remains that this is not accordance with GOD's word at all, but a product of human imaginations at work - see - think about it, and more importantly, pray about it.

[@j.d.buchanan4897]

I've heard a lot about Bart Ehrman but this is the first time I've heard him speak at length. He seems like a good-natured, funny guy - and very knowledgeable.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@MichaelLevine-n6y]

Check out his many recorded courses offered by The Teaching Company.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MichaelLevine-n6y Jesus is reaching out to you man using me God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@GrantStraks]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 k now answer why God loves you

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MichaelLevine-n6y God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@Munawar.ahamed]

A great information. How religion and sayings of Phrophets has been distorted along the way by certain people for their advantage.

[@Mohammed-np7mo]

​@@HalleluYAH-b5di am sorry he is not he is the greatest prophet he is the word of god. He was mentioned more than Mohammed In quran

[@Junaid_277]

​@@Mohammed-np7moPeace be upon them both.

[@prostateexamfailure6508]

​@@Mohammed-np7mohe was God and it would be obvious to you if you ever consider reading the bible.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Revelation 5:12 (NKJV) saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!"

[@thirstingknowledge]

So, the Lamb is a creation that dies. God is infallible and IS, always WAS, and always WILL be.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

@@thirstingknowledge what John saw is what he wrote. It doesn't matter whether what John wrote doesn't fit into our commonsense. God is beyond our commonsense.