History of the Uralic Languages

[@stagbeetle1050]

"Aight imma head out" -Hungarian

[@roufamagga4453]

If you are interested in Ural languages and culture, I suggest you take a look at this Sami music. :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqq1kqFtpLqIh5I

[@gungnir3926]

most interestingly it was only some of them, the rest seems to stay behind. maybe it was a adventoruous branch of the tribe.

[@KT-ib1oe]

@@gungnir3926 Maybe it was a more nomadic society at the time.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

​@@gungnir3926or outcasted...

[@konstantinbush295]

Hungarian: Sorry guys, I need Catholicism, hussars, baths and goulash

[@hazuusan]

I'm Finnish, and I feel sad that the other Finno-ugric languages are slowly disappearing. It hits the hardest when I see them written or hear them spoken because they are so similar to Finnish. It's like finding out you have a distant relative somewhere who's slowly dying and you can't do anything to save them. I wish they could be preserved.

[@Alonoda]

I'm fascinated by your language and I wish the field of history will do better with such interesting age old cultures

[@jackholloway1]

Take back Karelia

[@hazuusan]

@@jackholloway1 As glorious as that sounds, it would be pointless. The infrastructure there is in shit condition and fixing everything up to Finland's standards would cost billions. The actual Karelian speakers are a very small minority as more and more Russians have migrated there.

[@jackholloway1]

@@hazuusan I was being tongue in cheek mate, it is a shame that your sister languages are fading away though

[@SaturnineXTS]

@@jackholloway1 I suppose Estonian and Võro are safe for now, that also goes for some lects that are classified as dialects of Finnish proper, such as Savonian. Karelian has a small number of speakers within Finnish borders too I think. So basically, in countries where the languages are national, they're safe. Russia couldn't care less about preserving minority languages though, and in fact quite on the contrary.

[@ristusnotta1653]

Finally a video that shows the seperation of Hungarian, always wondered how the hell its so far away and so different compared to Finnish, Karelian, Estonian and Saami languages. Thumbs up

[@sectorgovernor]

Also, Hungarian is an early separation, that's why it is distant from every Uralic languages

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

Its far because Huns were far

[@user-ce6iy2nw5o]

@@anotherhumanbeing3923 hungarian has nothing to do with the hunns

[@sectorgovernor]

Hungarians were the southest Uralics, they became influenced by steppe peoples and they adopted a horse nomadic culture. Hunnic invasion in the 5th century started a migration wave on the Eurasian steppe. Hungarians started their migration because of other nomadic peoples attacks who also fled from the Huns. At first Hungarians just moved to the Caspian Sea-Aral Sea region, they became part of the Khazar Khaganate, but later they left it. A Pecheneg (Turkic nomads) attack led the Hungarians to Central Europe.

[@Hy-jg8ow]

@@sectorgovernor A small correction regarding "A Pecheneg (Turkic nomads) attack led the Hungarians to Central Europe." It was not a simple attack that "led" them into Central Europe, but after a combined destructive campaign by Bulgaria and the Pechenegs together on Etelkoz, as part of a war where the Hungarians were allied with the Byzantine Empire, and their main force was still fighting down in Bulgaria, the rebuilding and defense of Etelkoz was not strategically wise anymore. Following the war in the course of several decades the Hungarians decided to move to a more defensible geographical area, and by destroying Great Moravia, they entered Central Europe to gain a more defensible position against the continuous pressure of the neighboring Turkic tribes. Funnily not too much later the Hungarians allied with the Pechenegs against the Bulgarians and won a victory at the Battle of W.l.n.d.r - it was a real Game of Thrones mess which led the Hungarians from Etelkoz into the Carpathian basin, not just "an attack".

[@kundbalint4091]

Hungarians:*Living with their Uralic brothers* Some funny looking deer: Yo catch me b*tch Hungarians:*Ight imma head to Europe*

[@roufamagga4453]

If you are interested in Ural languages and culture, I suggest you take a look at this Sami music. :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqq1kqFtpLqIh5I

[@BOBofGH]

[All the other languages slowly fading away] Hungary: I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

Well the Hunnic language is slowly becoming slavic too...

[@servantofaeie1569]

@@anotherhumanbeing3923 what Hunnic language? thats extinct. you mean Hungarian?

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

@@servantofaeie1569 yes

[@sectorgovernor]

@@anotherhumanbeing3923 Hungarian is not becoming Slavic.

[@oleksander]

Because Russia is shy of being Finni-Ugric for some reason :(

[@JoeSanHUN]

Fun fact, in Hungary there is a historical story, when the separated Hungarians met again: A priest, Friar Julian (Hungarian: “Julian's friend”) was one of a group of Hungarian Dominican friars / priests who, in 1235, left the kindom in order to find those Magyars who - according to the chronicles and the old Hungarian myths - remained in the eastern homeland. After traveling a great distance, Friar Julian reached the capital of Volga Bulgaria, where he was notified by a women that the Magyars whom he wants to find lived only two days' travel away. Julian found them, and despite the gap of at least 300-400 years since the split between the Magyars (Hungarian tribes) that settled in Pannonia (Central-Eastern EU) and those that were found near at the Ural hills. Their language remained mutually intelligent, and they were able to communicate. Julian named the old country Magna Hungaria (Great Hungary). He became aware of stories about the Tatars, who were the enemies of the eastern Magyars and Volga Bulgars. Two years after the original journey, Julian returned to Magna Hungaria, only to find it had been devastated by the Mongol Tatars. He returned to his kingdom with news of mortal danger and a Mongol ultimatum to Hungary. The significance of Julian’s travels is he was the first one to bring real, valid and well documented information about Hungarians / Hungarian speakers living in “Magna Hungary".

[@asadforat3734]

In any book I can find his story/journy?

[@JoeSanHUN]

@@asadforat3734 I think historically in: Archives of the Dominican Order History Collection but I only found hungarian languaged website regarding this, and the wiki page and references: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friar_Julian

[@exposingreality6391]

Which Finno-Ugric tribe did he describe? Was it Khanty people? Did they look different back in 1200?

[@JoeSanHUN]

@@exposingreality6391 It wasn't any description or tribe name in the Dominican documents. He definetly found the Volga-Bulgars and most likely he found people from the remained hungarians (magyars) as they were able to communicate. Because not all the hungarians went to Central Europe, some of them remained there according to the chronics. I think Mari ppl were the closest to the Volga-Bulgars, but after Mansi ppl were the closest language relatives so maybe he found them.

[@jgc4818]

Wow, that’s amazing! Thanks for that story.

[@sectorgovernor]

Hungarian language is really a survivor. It would have been disappeared in the Indo-European sea, but it didn't

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

Yes,since Hunnic Empire was totally gone,its a miracle that their language is alive

[@sectorgovernor]

@@anotherhumanbeing3923 Hunnic Empire wasn't hungarian

[@sectorgovernor]

@@anotherhumanbeing3923 Hun language was possibly a Turkic language

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

@@sectorgovernor umm...then how did they come here

[@sectorgovernor]

@@anotherhumanbeing3923 It was a different migration.

[@CostasMelas]

Ingrian is noted in the map with dark blue. It has been forgotten in the caption.

[@EnesCagrTonyal]

Hello costas. Can you do Turkic peoples? By the way do you look at my channel? I'm doing a map too.

[@alexangelo1998]

You didn't show Kven language and Merya language

[@arth423]

Turkic languages please 🙏🙏🙏

[@nicolasvelasquez3595]

The story of spread of christianity in the world please 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@perseusofmacedon6918]

Can you tell me what app you use

[@jpbcollins]

That's an absolutely brilliant visualisation -- makes the connection between Hungarian and Finnish obvious and reminds us that there were other major language besides proto Indo-European. Subscribed. :)

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@timurmurzabekov3821]

Тюркские языки.

[@wallhackful]

Ну уж нет, индоевропейцы и индоевропейские языки не имеют в финно-уграми ничего общего

[@Илья-щ9щ5л]

​@@wallhackful имеют много общего из за этого даже есть теория, что ещё раньше праиндоевропейский, прауральский, праалтайский языки произошли из одного языка

[@Милен-б9л]

Но это сложно объяснить, если не зональное родство, да и генетически они не близки

[@adamharangozo3979]

Everybody: Hungary where are you going? Hungary: Brb just a sec.

[@thepickle5214]

na bro Hungary is the dad that went the get some milk

[@JoeSanHUN]

@@thepickle5214 *beer

[@kundbalint4091]

Last online: 1000 years ago.

[@kundbalint4091]

@attila kovács Hiába, hogy a nyelveken hallatszik, hogy van rokonság közöttük, hiába, hogy több száz történész támasztja alá, hiába, hogy a finn-ugor törzsek az Urálnál éltek és a Hunor és Magor legendában is pont az van leírva, valakit tényleg nem lehet meggyőzni. A linken is írja, hogy az új tankönyv tartalma vita tárgya. Nem azt mondom, hogy nincs közünk a hunokhoz és a türk csoportokhoz, mert a Honfoglalás közben találkoztunk és éltünk velük. Ez viszont nem változtat azon semmit, hogy a gyökereink az uráli törzsekhöz köthetők.

[@kundbalint4091]

@attila kovács Ha labancz propaganda lenne, akkor véget is ért volna az uralmukkal. Ezt nem csak ők állítják, rengeteg külföldi és magyar történész, genetikus ért egyet vele. De nézd meg magadnak, nézd a tényeket és ne hidd el mindazt amit mások mondanak. Hallgasd meg a hanti nyelvet (kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKCbiYiYlrppfpI), leginkább a számokat, ami az egyik legközelebb van a magyarhoz. Nem hasonlít annyira, hiszen több mint ezer éve nem találkoztunk velük, az ő nyelvük is változott, a mienk is, de attól még mindig ez az egyik, ami a legjobban hasonlít.

[@_recipeh]

Me earlier that day: "Maybe he should do finno-ugric languages..." After logging into KZbin: "He has actually done it!"

[@mysteriousDSF]

The movement of tribes most likely used to be far more complicated than that, but with only Hungarian having surviving records of them.

[@user-ce6iy2nw5o]

there's many records but the maker of the video didn't care

[@anuszbizsergetokommentek2171]

Its an oversimplified video. He also left out the volga hungarians

[@MMTT55792]

At least Estonia, Finland and Hungary will be safe

[@wallachia4797]

Russia would like to know your location

[@Deines7]

You're isn't safe! Sub-Sahara Africans, Muslims and Phillipinos already know your locations and every minute they are ready to move in with Brussels parlament help.

[@matheuspinheiro4796]

@@Deines7 EU bad they let brown people in

[@happyfriend341]

For now 😎

[@neanderthal6845]

Hey could u answer me this question. I have searched it for a long time but my English is bad to read those reserches. The question is " Who are the ancestors of Uralic people? Are they European?

[@belartmuse]

Уща уԓа!(Uscha ula!)(Hello in khantylanguage!) It's really painful. I'm khanty and I was born in the north, right there, where it all started in this video. I am sorry that in Russia all the small nationalities speak only Russian, and I hate it, some Politicians in the old days forbade speaking our native language, took the people by force and Christianized them, killed my khanty people. Yes, in Russia they didn’t tell khanty about this at school, but older people remember it. And the new generation does not stady our native language, but Chinese, English and other languages of globalization. I am happy that there are Finno-Ugric countries like Hungary, Estonia and Finland. I would dream that my people would sound and speak their own language and have our separated territory. I try to promote my native language, and I hope there are those who will develop their culture! I'm proud that our roots are the same! I'm stand for our finno-ugric family!

[@Bjerttt4606]

Уральские нации не имеют никаких перспектив уж поверь, это естественный процесс, многие народы исчезают как и языки, никто через 300 лет и знать не будут что на урале жили иные народы. Или думаешь в будущем будут например Великий Китай, Америка, Европа, африканская конференция и среди этих держав будет какая-то финно-угрия? Нет. К сожалению судьба финских народов это полная Асимилия и исчезновение в будущем, особенно учетом количество их населения

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

All my sympathy to those who maintain their native language! Greetings from a distant past relative Hungarian!

[@їжакоднако]

​@@Bjerttt4606через триста лет если человечество будет двигаться тем же путём, то вообще останется каких нибудь с десяток национальностей... Но мы будем держаться до последнего!

[@Crxyzen]

Fins and Estonians will preserve their language. But others...

[@nikich2186]

А есть ли доказательства этих убийств, или это лишь красивые слова? Я вот что-то даже в иностранных источниках ничего не вижу про какие-либо "геноциды" хантов или других финно-угров. Наоборот - славяне всю историю жили бок о бок с финно-уграми и дружили с ними, брали всякие слова и прикольные штуки вроде тундры, пельменей, моржей и т.д. То, что хантыйский язык умирает, это ужасно, но это естественный процесс: все маленькие и слабые языки постепенно умирают, хотя это и невероятно грустно

[@heikkisallinen9012]

Thank you for such a beautiful video 🥰 I'm sure this took a lot of effort to make .We will persevere 🇫🇮🇪🇪🇭🇺+Other remaining Uralics

[@CostasMelas]

You're welcome :)

[@KohaAlbert]

+other I hope there's anything left to preserve ... considered how low the generic street level knowledge, interest, and participation about +other truly seems to be, while we indeed should be the beacon of hope -- I wouldn't brag to loud about preserving anyone Not to mention getting too cocky at times and managing to show mutual disrespect towards oneanother true self-determination

[@gregutdmglaucos3757]

Russia has always sought to make other languages ​​disappear, such as the Ural languages.

[@jubanumidia8460]

@@gregutdmglaucos3757 Russia is better than England or France in term of preserving minority languages

[@gregutdmglaucos3757]

@@jubanumidia8460 go ask the opinion of the Ukrainians on the preservation of minority languages (as well as the Crimean Tatar, Volga German, Kazakh, Finnish, Karelians .......) we do not become the largest empire without crushing our neighbors there linguistically, the border of French in Europe has practically not moved in 1500 years, is it the same for Russian?! and you don't need to look very far for my sources, it's mainly CostasMelas.

[@mrhunknown]

Hungarians just went to buy a milk (amazing video btw)

[@ek3200]

Hey, are you consider yourself as european?

[@mrhunknown]

@@ek3200 Yes, of course

[@sangar._.3908]

@@mrhunknown they just went to buy cigarettes and they never returned lmao

[@barnaerdelyi1]

no, they were sent for wine! :P

[@NafeesBaloch-kt8vm]

Uralic languags is indio European language ❤

[@aryyancarman705]

Hello to uralic people - from your once upon a time neighbour ,an indo iranian

[@xanshen9011]

Interesting how Arya mean noble in indo iranian but is considered slave in uralic.

[@redrose-gd8fu]

​@@xanshen9011Arya mean noble in the Sanskrit, not in the Iranian or farsi.....Aryrn only belongs to the Indo-Aryan

[@yayaya4345]

​​@@xanshen9011Indoeuropean slave comes from slav. Slavic slave: rab

[@kayvonrad3044]

So sad to see the Uralic languages slowly fade away when the Russian Expansion starts

[@eksiarvamus]

Not just Ugric, but all Uralic languages in Russia.

[@marik-qw5uw]

Slavic power

[@eksiarvamus]

@@marik-qw5uw You are a sad person.

[@mashiah1]

Not just Russians, many also switched to Tatar language

[@therandomizer9943]

But the hungarians are the ones that survived by migrating to Europe

[@alex_gaimar]

Just watching my ethnicity, Mari, to form so early

[@sectorgovernor]

I listened Mari speaking, sometimes it sounds similar to Hungarian, but I totally don't understand it.

[@vadimpm1290]

@@sectorgovernor Magyar is Ugric, Mary is Volga-Finnic. Rather distant kinship.

[@sectorgovernor]

@@vadimpm1290 I know we aren't in the same branch, but Mari still sounds closer to Hungarian than Finnish to Hungarian. I think because Mari also has Turkic influence.

[@sectorgovernor]

@@vadimpm1290 Of course Mansi and Khanty language are the closest to Hungarian, but they don't understand Hungarian, and Hungarians don't understand their languages either. Hungarian has too few common words with other Uralic languages. I can't notice common words by hearing, only when I see subtitle or text(with meaning).

[@vadimpm1290]

@@sectorgovernor I 'm not a linguist, but I know that fact. A tremendous gap both in time and in the cultural evolution. As for similarity of sounding between Magyar and Mary maybe You are right about Turcic influence. But can it be due not to loan words, but to close contacts? For me Baltic Finns sound more like "Swedish", and our Permic Finns (Komi, Udmurt) quite different, though common words between these two groups are far more abundant , than that between Hungarian and Mansi, or between Hungarian and Volga Finns.

[@sectorgovernor]

3:46 now I don't wonder Why Mari language sounds sometimes similar to Hungarian and why the second and third closest branches to Hungarian are Mari and the Permic languages(Komi and Udmurt) . Hungarian was surrounded by Ob-Ugric, Mari and Permic language

[@theyoshi202]

Hungari-IN 4:47 Hargari-OUT 5:39

[@JoeSanHUN]

Dear Finn-Ugoric and Uralic brothers and sisters, as it seems we are in the last hour to save our whole language family! :( I collected some old Hungarian word, check it on your own language! víz (water), szarv (horn), szarvas (deer), kéz (arm), szem (eye), száj (mouth), ín (tendon), fej (head), tar (bald), ki (who), mi (what), anya/Eme (mother), fa (tree), vér (blood), kő (stone), tűz (fire), szél (wind), nyíl (arrow), hal (fish), él (live), jég (ice), vén (old), menni (go), alatt (under), fölé (above), rege (old story), yurta (tent-house), lyuk (hole), monya/tojás (egg), puha (soft), van (is), fúr (drill), hó/lom (snow). egy kettő három négy öt hat hét nyolc kilenc tiz (1-10), húsz (20), száz (100)

[@jokemon9547]

In Finnish: vesi (water), sarvi (horn), sarvi (deer), käsi (arm), silmä (eye), suu (mouth), jänne (tendon), pää (head), kalju (bald), kuka (who), mitä/mikä (what), äiti (mother, but older form is emo and it's used for animal mothers in modern Finnish), puu (tree), veri (blood), kivi (stone), tuli (fire), tuuli (wind), nuoli (arrow), kala (fish), elää (live), jää (ice), vanha (old), mennä (go), alla (under), yllä (above), tarina (story), jurtta (tent-house, but obvious loan), reikä (hole), muna (egg), pehmeä (soft), on (is), pora (drill), lumi (snow). Some older words of Uralic origin have been replaced by germanic and slavic(Russian) loans, but a lot of them are still recognisable.

[@danjkeehokage416]

shieeet, im samoyedic

[@kayvonrad3044]

In Persian, 100 is "sad" and it comes from Uralic. Also "who" in Persian, Indo-European, and many Romance languages is "ki" and probably comes from Uralic. Also eye in Persian is "Češm" which comes from Proto-Indo-European, and likely comes from Uralic

[@ann-carolinemorner6405]

Sarv is Sami for reindeer. Edni is mother.

[@chrissadowski8076]

@@kayvonrad3044 'Sad' comes from Indo-European - look up 'Satem' languages (satem = 100).

[@Sammenluola]

I hope that as many Uralic languages as possible will be saved somehow, and thoroughly documented as well. Uralic languages carry the essence of our Uralic cultures and our sense of related identities. With every language lost, we loose bits of ourselves, since words and how we use them are voices of our ancestors. I'm a Finn (of mixed Savo and Tornio River ethnicities), and I've been mourning the violence of russification. Local and regional languages of all indigenous peoples in Russia are fast going extinct, unless something dramatic is done. With every language saved we would preserve a certain view to the world. Our view...

[@Edarnon_Brodie]

Hello from Celts, Uralic "disappearing" languages...

[@tingleblade4274]

In Russia, the study of native languages, schools, etc. is promoted (from ultra hardcore leftist soviet agenda). but the "big party" syndrome (my name) grinds everything. The kids want to go to a big party - Russian culture, with all the memes, problems, contradictions. This is a very humanic condition, unfortunately

[@attilahalmai4590]

It's just crazy how we, hungarians moved thousands of km-s to the west, surviving 1200 years, nations, wars, tatars, turks, Ottoman Empire, german, russian... preserving our dearest language, culture!

[@nikich2186]

Вы крутые

[@1AC01-9-1-min]

"You Hungarians"? If you are not haplogroup N your ancestors never left Magna Hungaria in Western Russia.

[@chernic6278]

Наконец-то я нашел материалы, как распространялась по миру Уральская семья языков.Я живу на Урале.Наблюдая за венграми в интернете, слушая их новости, я заметил ту особенность, что сами венгры внешностью и стилем рассуждений поразительно похожи на окружающих меня родственников-уральцев.

[@nikich2186]

Внешностью они похожи не из-за того, что они с Урала пришли. Урал сейчас почти весь заселён русскими. Венгры же сейчас в большинстве своём это славянские крестьяне, которых покорили и овенгрили те самые боевые венгерские племена, пришедшие с Урала, это подтверждается генетикой венгров, которые почти не отличаются от, к примеру, поляков и русских. Генетические же венгры были ближе к хантам и мансям по внешности, то есть были переходным типом между европеоидами и монголоидами

[@ozyman_dias]

Hungarians around 1000: "Where the fuck are we??" - "Idk"

[@ErmisSouldatos]

Hungarian accounts for something like 60% of all the speakers in the family, but before entering the pannonian basin it was a tiny part of Uralic.

[@Akitlosz]

A live fish swims underwater. Estonian: Elav kala ujub vee all. Finnish: Elävä kala ui veden alla. Hungarian: Eleven hal úszik a víz alatt. or Finnish: Elävä kala uiskentelee veden alla. Hungarian: Eleven hal úszkál a víz alatt.

[@oitakaikille2330]

Moksha: Erek kal ujs’ vedt’ ala

[@oitakaikille2330]

Erzya: Erij kal ui ved’ alo

[@IfYouWantThenYouCanHaveIt]

Interesting....

[@veikkakarvonen831]

"Uiskentelee" feels more like a child-like word to me. Like "to be swimminging". A Finnish perspective.

[@Akitlosz]

@@veikkakarvonen831 Linguists still sweated to create similar-sounding sentences. This is not easy from the perspective of thousands of years.

[@waucktet9162]

Good job, Costas! It was definitely complicated video to make. As an Estonian I think many actual details remain in mystery because lack of written hard evidence. Ancient histories of Greek, Romanic and Germanic languages are therefore understood much better. Uralic history is much based on theories of linguists. Nitpicking on ancient details is pointless.

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you. You 're right. The distant past in this case is reconstructed from linguistic theories comparing common elements between the languages.

[@Thecognoscenti_1]

Do the history of the Sino-Tibetan languages!

[@miliba]

the chinese communist party kindly requests your location

[@Thecognoscenti_1]

@@miliba The free area of Chinese territory unoccupied by Commie barbarians ;)

[@紫衣大食]

This. I would love to see how Sino-Tibetan languages slowly spread over East Asia

[@yacin5590]

@@Thecognoscenti_1 tu veux parler de Taïwan A vrai dire le Guomindang le parti nationaliste qui a lutté contre les communistes a fait des millions de morts en Chine avant de se réfugier a Taïwan (grâce au Japon) en 1949

[@captainch6182]

Je ne sais quoi I don’t think it’s possible to map it because there’s so many languages, that’s like mapping the entire indo European family

[@Szylek]

Hunagry's travel notes: -7th century - Yeah, it's time to go in non-searched lands, so I'm gonna on far West, It'll be awesome travel! -8th century - Ok, so, It's may sea, but in here isn't exisits waves... Hmmm... Maybe a big lake? -9th century - Oh, finally I found real sea. Near these is river, everywhere are steppes, but on south are mountains. -10th Ohhh... I'm tired. I musted pass a very big mountains. Ok, I'm done to create settlement right there. -Little later, but it's still 10th century - Wtf, I found a civilization. They are really progressive! Here is really nice! I'll develop like them people. They Wants to I will christianize himself. Ok, let's christianize! I'm feels so good!

[@KingAtlas761]

It’s so sad to see this unique language getting wiped out overtime. I wish the Russian government could preserve this language. Fantastic video my friend. As for a suggestion could you do a history of the Armenian, Albanian, or the indo-Iranian language

[@vanya1290]

@@prometheus5770 saying thats not right, russia doesnt do anything against or not

[@prometheus5770]

@@vanya1290 miss me with that rt shit. This event below is probably the best illustrator of actuality www.rferl.org/a/man-sets-himself--fire-russia--udmurtia-language-protest-against-language-bill/30156654.html

[@ptero]

@@prometheus5770 The national languages ​​of Udmurtia are Russian and Udmurt. High government does not take special measures to preserve this language - but this does not mean that they stopped studying it in schools. The number of Udmurts is 400,000, and 310,000 speak the language - not so critical result. The reduction in the number of speakers of the Udmurt language occurs mainly because in large cities Russians make up ~ 80% of the population, and in such conditions it is difficult to maintain the stability of the language. Add here more demographic problems due to huge crises and you will get the expected result of the extinction of the language. The government is guilty only because it does not resist crises, not because it supports the assimilation of the population.

[@andreman2767]

In which language we are talking now? And where are the native-american's languages? Or african's? So where situation is worse?

[@ptero]

So it can be said about any large nation - like, they supplanted other nations and cultures by themselves. The Chinese, Spaniards, Arabs, Russians, Poles, Turks, the British themselves. Everyone has a different heritage of culture and history. We just need to accept this and decide on our own tasks, relying on the past only for the sake of experience. But just don't use history as a tool of political manipulation.

[@szabolcseverling5233]

Great video, thanks for creating it. I have just one remark. As far as I know when Hungarians started their migration, the nation split up in two parts, and one part stayed in their original homeland, so not all Hungarians moved away. The group which stayed called "Eastern Hungarians", and they lived there until the middle of the XIII. century. Although I'm not a professional, just an enthusiast, so if you are a professional, please correct me if I'm wrong. Greetings from Hungary!

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you. For that I keep some green stripes in the original Hungarian area but they are gradually disappearing because this area was flooded by Turkic-speaking tribes

[@szabolcseverling5233]

@@CostasMelas Thanks for the explanation.

[@飛流直上三千尺哪個宅]

@@CostasMelas when did they completely disappear?

[@monkeypie8701]

5:00 Hungarians, For you to take the entirety of your nation out of their homeland, lead them through other peoples land in a random direction travelling for 300 years and then settling in a random part of Europe is just crazy!

[@CostasMelas]

States from invading and migrating populations are very common, mainly in the zone of Eurasian Steppe (Bulgars, Khazars, Cumans, Crimean Tatars and in other zones Goths, Saxons, Turks in Anatolia, Arabians in Africa, Thais, Mongols, Manchu etc)

[@tamaszlav]

Yeah, they didn't travel for 300 years. They travelled a short time, settled in a place, moved again in a short time, and then came where they are now.

[@Illes-b]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIjMYqmdfJ1gqas

[@mrtrollnator123]

Apparently I read that the hungarians started migrating to Europe as early as 800 bc. It was not sudden. It was gradual and slow

[@Akitlosz]

This was not random. The Hungarians followed Attila the Hun, because the knew that the pastures of the Carpathian Basin were rich, and there was no need to migrate even with tens of thousands of horses and cattle. The eastern steppes are poor. The Hungarians knew where they were going.

[@FannomacritaireSuomi]

As a linguist from Finland, I can say it would be glorious to compare the Uralic languages (at least the Finnic ones) but due to the low number of speakers/lack of written text it's very hard to review the similarities. I had to opt the Romance languages as my target group (I've also been comparing Germanic and Slavic tongues), the sad thing is that I can't understand any Indo-European language based on my native one, Finnish. It does suck.

[@Hy-jg8ow]

You can go and collect the material, you'd even make history.

[@Shrey_Shrek]

there might be a video of that on ILoveLanguages channel

[@messier8888]

You can try Estonian and Hungarian first, they are the most widely spoken Uralic languages.

[@lexus8018]

Hungaians: Listen, we are gonna go explore a bit then come back, ok? *Last seen 1000 years ago*

[@-mikko-1373]

This is awesome video. Just shows the huge diversity of finno-ugric languages. Sadly most of them have either faded away or are on the verge of dying

[@iwannabeyourdog4195]

I cant believe that all these languages has been connected all the time while Indo-European languages were doing their own thing. I live in the Ural and I wish Uralic languages were more widespread so I could speak them

[@Quarequieus]

You can move to Finland and speak only Finnish there.

[@Joridiy]

Khanty and Mansy: "we'll be besties forever" Hungarian: "nah" *goes away* Khanty and Mansy: *dissolve*

[@kisher5135]

I subscribed. Waiting for Turkic languages. Greetings from the Chuvash Republic.

[@bluestar4324]

Nice to see a Chuvash, not many of you stayed nowadays. Your language is the last Ogur-Bolgar branch. I hope it survives. Salam.

[@translator228]

Chuvashs ar half-finno-ugric and half-turkic, so hi 👋🏻

[@translator228]

@adem sezgi Se on täydellisesti 🇫🇮👍

[@x-error404alphaepicfellsan9]

Are you an ethnic Chuvash? If you are, I have a few questions about Chuvash people. Firstly do Chuvash people consider themselves as Turkic? And how much of Chuvash people do you think want an independent Chuvash Republic? In addition, do you support an independent Chuvash Republic personally?

[@ZOMBIEo07]

​@@x-error404alphaepicfellsan9 I am chuvash and whenever i hear turkic i think of Islam / arabs and i dont want anything to do with it, so no i dont want to be turkic. I never heard anybody here wanting independence, it wouldnt even work because we would be entiarly surrounded by Russia anyway. But it would be nice to have more autonomy and real democracy.

[@anuszbizsergetokommentek2171]

One mistake. Some hungarians stayed in the volga region till the mongol conquests viped them out. So it would have been a good touch to include.

[@boemiobe4t993]

What a beautiful family of languages and culture! It's sad that the majority were slavicized... ;-;

[@nikitanikita5981]

((((

[@vectorofmidnight6387]

Some were first Turkized, and later Slavized. This is if you do not take into account the Indo-Iranian tribes that dominated the Great Steppe before the Turkic tribes.

[@YummYakitori]

Rurik the founder of Russia was actually very likely of Uralic / Finno-Ugric origin, according to the Russian Nobility Project conducted at FTDNA. His paternal haplogroup is N1c which is very typical for Uralic / Finno-Ugric peoples. Many North Russians are also Slavicised Uralic / Finno-Ugric peoples themselves.

[@antoniopaganini5700]

@@YummYakitori if you are talking about the first king then I remember how I read something about how the Russian nobility invited someone from the Baltic or scandinavia

[@airisho1568]

And germanicized in scandinavia

[@danielpetrus9945]

Love Hungary from Slovakia 🇸🇰♥️🇭🇺

[@attilahalmai4590]

💗

[@tasoslts3480]

Very interesting how Hungarian got to Central/Eastern/Southern Europe from Central/Western Asia!!

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

Well,its obvious that hungarians moved there with their empire,Hunnic empire

[@Feon83]

@@anotherhumanbeing3923 by the time Hungarians move to panonia the Huns had been long gone.The Hungarians or Magyars have nothing to do with the Huns.The only relation with Turkic people is that the had some Turkish mix and Turkish elements amongst their people and after they settled in Panonia they let some Cumans settle amongst them as mercenaries for the Magyar army.

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

@@Feon83 umm....did i say they are connected with Turks?

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

@@Feon83 well then ima check from Wikipedia or somethin

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

@@Feon83 well Wikipedia says that hungarians maove there in 1bc and it was easy for Huns to get hungarian populated land

[@jesperperttunen6269]

I'm proud to be Finnish!

[@roufamagga4453]

If you are interested in Ural languages and culture, I suggest you take a look at this Sami music. :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqq1kqFtpLqIh5I

[@finnish5794]

@El Maccho totta

[@heh9392]

Me as a Finn, it really gives me tears watching this ;)

[@Crxyzen]

Have you ever seen another Uralic language speaker? If yes, how did it feel?

[@svetlanaphilipp4868]

Преогромнейшее СПАСИБО!!! Очень хорошо сделано. А музыку подобрали какую (!!!...) -- лучше и не подберёшь, здесь: и -- давность событий, из глубины веков, и -- хронология; и -- трагичность; и -- историческая ценность. В ней -- всё! Спасибо! Отличная работа. Да... финно-угорские языки вымирают. К превеликому сожалению! Сама я -- коми. Меня это лично затрагивает и очень глубоко волнует. И, кажется, что ничего уже не изменить. Страшно становится от этих мыслей. Со своими родными и друзьями свободно и легко говорим по-коми. Но, к сожалению, так не повсюду.

[@messier8888]

Печально, что уральские языки вымирают (кроме эстонского, венгерского и финского) и надо что-то делать, чтобы их спасти.

[@messier8888]

PS: Я не русский и тем более не говорю на уральском языке, я просто аргентинец, который любит языки.

[@Crxyzen]

Finnish and Estonian are still hanging on and will carry the future of Uralic peoples.

[@messier8888]

Здравствуйте, я пришел сообщить вам, что коми и удмуртский языки теперь доступны в Google Translate, это хорошо, так что, возможно, они не исчезнут так легко, и в случае их исчезновения, вот это будет в Интернете.

[@svetlanaphilipp4868]

@@messier8888 Чолöмала Тiянöс! Приветствую Вас! Спасибо за информацию! Я так обрадовалась этой важной новости!.. Значит, появилась гарантия, что (хотя бы), если случится такое, что не будет носителей языка -- всё равно языки останутся в интернете. Никуда не исчезнут. А то ведь, от языков мурома, меря, мещера и других древнейших финно-угорских языков остались всего лишь по паре слов. Так досадно! Но радует тот факт, что в наше время (время "продвинутых технологий") такого не случится. Спасибо за сообщение! Радуюсь.

[@andreaspenner2502]

please make history of the causasian languages

[@dovletskhashokw6455]

Andreas Penner +++

[@a___ab___b9896]

Which of the families? :D

[@rainbowstalin594]

@@a___ab___b9896 All of them.

[@a___ab___b9896]

@@rainbowstalin594 :)

[@rainbowstalin594]

@@a___ab___b9896 It would make more sense to put them together then to make individual videos on each language family.

[@joseinaciosilva3065]

Vi uma reportagem no jornal no inicio dos anos 2000 sobre os últimos falantes nativos da lingua livônia que habitavam a Letônia. Infelizmente a tendência é das línguas minoritárias desaparecem.

[@felixmiles4909]

Hello Magyars. Your ancestors had a very good idea to go west. You left your Asian cousins, and become Central Europeans. Excellent move. :)

[@КурсыиностранныхязыковвМоскве]

They nearly got eliminated by the ottoman empire there

[@bcchiriac4512]

Tell them to go back to Eastern Asia because since they came to Europe, they messed up everything!

[@КурсыиностранныхязыковвМоскве]

@Tg52s the Austrian domination of the 18th century was the result of the Ottoman invasion. If they hadn't defeated Hungary the Austrians wouldn't have taken over Hungary later

[@stonehorse7006]

@@КурсыиностранныхязыковвМоскве by Russian

[@juniorcrusher2245]

@@bcchiriac4512 they're is no reason for them to move back. They speak a foreign language but genetically they have as much asiatic blood as asturias, poles or Germans. Aka less then 1%

[@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns]

4:59 When you've had enough of North Siberian winters.

[@lexus8018]

When you find the pannonian basin: No way I'm going back to the cold edge of the world we are staying boys!

[@presh3681]

Thank you from Hungary!

[@translator228]

Agree, hi from mari to my finno-ugric brother 😉

[@miaow8670]

I love how Hungarian in 5:09 is like "meh, you know what, I'm moving out of here" 😄

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

This is a very moving video, thank you! According to the most recent archaeological studies the Hungarians robably never went south into the grass-steppe zone, but stayed on the boundary between forest and steppe when they travelled to the West, benefitting from both biospheres on the northern fringes of the steppe.

[@zakhawker344]

Hungary ending up in the Pannonian basin seems like such a complicated linguistic shift along a panhandle or something and then you find out they literally just walked there

[@anotherhistoryenthusiast5874]

Rode.

[@Δούρειος_96]

It's very interesting to see the Hungarians travel so far from there ancestral homeland all the way to Europe their end however is very sad thought especially after WW2 Πάντως το βίντεο ήταν φοβερό Κόστα συγχαρητήρια

[@Δούρειος_96]

@European Awakening the blow that ensured the Byzantines would never rise again (as much as they tried to) was the 4th crusade in 1204 the Bulgarians were as much as foe as friend depending on the time as for the Hungarians they were neutral for most of the time with the Byzantines

[@Δούρειος_96]

@European Awakening even if they did this raids didn't affect much the empire as they had to deal with dianastic issues as well as the Arabs in the Anatolian border

[@anotherhumanbeing3923]

Well not that interesting since Hunnic Empire migrated europe and their language moved there

[@codboss7092]

@European Awakening wtf are you on about. hungary became christianized after 1000 ad, it had close relations with the papal states and holy roman empire. it was even the leader during the fifth crusades. in some cases it even helped byzantinum "battle of nicopolis". and yeah i know magyars raided literally anything they had in their path but that was only a brief period of 100 years, while we were the shield of western europe for at least 500.

[@benjaminmoloy7163]

@@anotherhumanbeing3923 we have no idea what the hunnic language was like or if it existed at all.

[@eliasholenhannouch807]

I think Proto-Saamic formed in Finland, and not in northern Scandinavia. This is supported by the evidence of words which are clearly non-Uralic and is theorized to demonstrate a substratum found only in Saami languages. This indicates that Proto-Saamic was formed not in that region but outside and later influenced by the so-called Proto-Laplandic languages.

[@fastum000]

All of the finnic languages developed in Finland or a bit east of Finland.

[@jaymow9329]

The Hungarian migration is probably the most interesting part, IMO

[@iamseamonkey6688]

It's interesting to see him doing an entire family at once instead of just a group

[@servantofaeie1569]

actually this is a group, but of Altaic

[@jokemon9547]

​@@servantofaeie1569 Just stop...

[@servantofaeie1569]

@@jokemon9547 stop what? stop believing in the altaic family? no

[@jokemon9547]

@@servantofaeie1569 Why? Why cant we just keep them separate, Uralic as Uralic and Altaic as Altaic. Both are unique, so cant we just keep them as their own little things instead of bunching them together into some ultra, mega family?

[@servantofaeie1569]

@@jokemon9547 because, they all originated in the same region and it just makes sence for them to be related, especially to Mongolian because of the long vs short vowels. my idea of the Altaic family includes Uralic, Turkic, Mongolo-Khitan, Tungusic, Dene-Yenisei, Chukotko-Kamchatkan, Ainu, Japonic, Koreanic, Nivkh, and Yukaghir as its branches.

[@adamthomas6951]

We MUST preserve these dying cultures and languages

[@robroux5059]

It's all of us.. in Mexico the native Mexican languages are dying..in the US the Native American langauges are extinct. It's really sad, most of this took place during Industrialization(late 1800s-1900s) .. I hear that in England, there were many variants of English but when the government Standardized the language RP(The Queens English) replaced yorkshire,cockney english and that is the one that we hear today. But most of the languages that are replacing these dying languagaes are languages that were from Monarch families. We also see this in China too as the govt is trying to 'reeducate' cantonese or yughir speakers into Mandarin.

[@airisho1568]

We need to preserve all languages of the world but fist the really endangerd ones.

[@geoDB.]

No

[@juniorcrusher2245]

@@robroux5059 those were accents not languages

[@georgiykireev9678]

Here is the thing though, they are being preserved about as well as Russia can manage. Most of them are taught in schools in their respective regions, they have TV channels in those languages. The big ones aren't really going away, but the small ones are kinda beyond saving, because there is no real incentive for kids to speak them. If your village is the only place where that language is spoken, surrounded by other tiny language islands, how do you prevent them from just speaking Russian with each other? Should you prevent it?

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

Great video, can’t wait to see Iranian (including Scythian)

[@rauðaz]

He has already done the Iranian languages

[@schytoyamnaya9015]

We don't know the Scythian language, its just an old-fashioned suspect, that Scythian is iranic.

[@pabslondon]

Proto-indo-Iranians were in contact with the Finno-Uglic speakers. Thats why the Finno-Ugric word for 7 looks Indo-European. It was a loan word from Indo-Iranian

[@KeithR2002]

@@pabslondon similarly many old indo european words are in uralic languages. They have been frozen in time.

[@mrhaci7747]

Scythian is not Iranic

[@maple494]

It's sad seeing them all fade away...

[@Uralicchannel]

i have a few criticism of this video: you portrayed mari way smaller than it actually is, same for udmurt. nenets form a majority in many areas of siberia, even today saamis have majority areas in the north. you deleted kamasins too fast. mansi is larger than that you forgot some south selkup dialects you made karelian die too fast, and put the area of extinction in the wrong places, for example karelians form a majority in the south while minorities in the east. completely forgot tver karelians livonian still exists no mention of ludza, also it still kinda exists mari still form a wast majority in some areas forgot finns in sweden forgot kvens should have put kven and meänkieli as independent languages in 2004 made kildin saami too huge you completely took off south saami, even though it still exists

[@justsomeghostwithinterneta7296]

Kven and meänkieli are Finnish.

[@Uralicchannel]

@@justsomeghostwithinterneta7296 arguably

[@tanultorosz]

Languages gradually die without state sovereignty.

[@Quarequieus]

Languages in Indonesia and Africa?

[@nikich2186]

Языки умирают, когда появляется более влиятельный и крупный язык. Потому в Африке почти все языки живые, т.к. там почти все равны

[@Charlanerc]

hungary be like : 700 ac BYE guys miss you late ........ oh hi guys , 900 ac Romenia : who are you ? hungary : am a new friend :)

[@AD-yq8rl]

That’s so sad.I mean, this unique language group has been wiped out by Russians in only 200 years.Russian government must do something.They have to preserve that unique people. Greetings to all Finno-Ugrics...

[@edmund1999]

The Hungarians and Finns are still here. Plus there is a few Sami

[@justahungarianguy]

@@edmund1999 ...and the Estonians and the Komis

[@МихаилДенисов-т1й]

I see an amazing parallel in the history of Russia and England. What are the Uraliс in Russia, then are the Celts in England. What are the Slavs in Russia, then are the Germans in England. What are the Mongol-Tatars in Russia, then are French-Normans in England. And in both cases Greco-Roman and North German influence are.

[@КастетГлебов]

@@МихаилДенисов-т1й меня чуть не стошнило. Не надо искать параллели с бриташками.

[@МихаилДенисов-т1й]

@@КастетГлебов однако на Яндекс дзене зашло. Лаки посыпались.

[@justahungarianguy]

Thank you ^^

[@CostasMelas]

First comment from Hungary. Thank you. The Hungarians are the most populous group of the Uralic family

[@justahungarianguy]

@@CostasMelas oh really? I didn't know that, thanks for the info :)

[@jokemon9547]

So you're Hungarian? First off, hello from Finland! Second, I've heard and seen myself that there is quite the loud group of Hungarians who oppose the Uralic family and specifically Hungarian being a part of it, I think it is called Hungarian Turanism. Some are even saying the Uralic language family is Austrian propaganda to somehow "bring down the glorious Hungarian people" or something along the lines of that. So I have to ask why it exists and what does just a regular, average Hungarian think of this "movement"?

[@Shunshnura]

@@jokemon9547 well, I am Hungarian, but I don't live in Hungary or any other lands settled by a majority or atleast large community of Hungarians, not anymore that is. Ofcourse I have family in Hungary, and also friends from Hungary, and I never really heard anyone say that the Uralic language family is propaganda. We Hungarians do see ourselves as very unique and different from the rest, wich, I mean it's true, but atleast I never heard anyone say that. I have to be honest, I never even really heard any ultra-extremist Hungarians say that. Ofcourse I'm not implying that all Hungarians, even the extremists are saints or some shit, but atleast I have never heard any Hungarian say it's "Austrian propaganda". I'm sure that there are a lot of Hungarians who disregard the Uralic language family, because Hungarian is also very unique, but again, no one I've heard of was violent or anything about it. Don't quote me on this.

[@jokemon9547]

@@Shunshnura I've just been wondering that topic specifically, since I had a long discussion on the matter with a Hungarian nationalist in the comment section of a Uralic language video. The guy said that the Uralic language family was Austrian propaganda from the 1800s to bring down Hungarians and "their glory" because most if not all Uralic speakers were under the control of the Russian Empire and never had their own nations or "Grand historical accomplishments" compared to Hungarians. Then he went on to say that Hungarians are more glorious than all of these people combined and encompass them all. He also believed in the Uralic Altaic language family and said that the only reason Uralic is a part of that group is because Hungarian is very, very just distantly related to Uralic and that Hungarian is more on the Turkic. I dont really get why Hungarian cant be a part of the Uralic and stay unique, if some Hungarians oppose the language family because of that. Hungarian is unique as hell due to it's long separation from other Uralic languages. Look at Greek or Albanian for example, both are indo-european, but entirely on their own in the family and unique as hell because of that.

[@ChirkunovIvan]

Some adjustments. The language on the territory of Estonia was divided into northern and southern since a very long time, it is a very old division, these are two different languages ​​in fact. Izhorian language and eastern Finnish dialects (North and South Karelia, Savo, the Karelian Isthmus in Russia) are part of the Karelian dialect continuum, and not Western Finnish Karelian (Izhorians) came to the south of the Gulf of Finland to the region of the Votic language relatively late - apparently in the high Middle Ages. The Vodic language did not have such a large range in the Middle Ages; it did not occupy the Pskov and Novgorod regions, which were completely Slavicized from the 8th century, and only the western regions of the Leningrad Region were much smaller than on the map. The Sami lived much south for a considerable time, even in the early Middle Ages, apparently, inhabited most of Republic of Karelia and neighboring territories Karelians, on the contrary, practically didn’t populate the territory east of Lake Onega and on the shores of the White Sea from the 14-15th century, when the Slavs settled there, before the Slavs, apparently, some group related to the Veps lived there for a short time, and before the Veps, apparently - the Sami. Finno-Ugric population in most of the Arkhangelsk and Vologda Oblast as the absolute majority of the population in the 15th centuries is doubtful The center of the Kirov region and the middle course of the Vyatka river were occupied by Slavs for a very long time, even the main hydronymy of the region speaks of it (the name of the region’s main river is Vyatka, purely Slavic, therefore the mass Finno-Ugric presence is absolutely throughout the region, and not only on its southern borders up to the 19th century is simply unrealistic) Also unrealistic is the presence of moksha on the left bank of the Oka River until the 18th century, when this territory was completely Slavicized from the 10-12th centuries, when the Muroma tribe lived there. The territories of Nizhny Novgorod and the central regions of the oblast lost the Finnish-speaking population in the 12-14th centuries, when it was the center of a powerful East Slavic principality, and not in the 17-18th. In the south and south-west of the Nizhny Novgorod region, not Moksha lives, but Erzya, Moksha and Erzya don't divide Mordovia clearly in half, that Moksha on the left and Erzya on the right. It's somewhat more complicated, Erzya lives not only east of Moksha, but also envelops it from the north, remaining in small numbers in the southern regions, the remainder of this Erzya still lives in the west of Mordovia, called Shoksha The ancestors of the Mordovians and Mari were corroded back in the early Middle Ages, Turkic Bulgars lived between them, and now the Chuvash live, whose language is a direct descendant of the Bulgarian. Udmurts did not live throughout the entire territory of Udmurtia initially, mainly only in the south and south-west, they gradually settled north and east from the northern regions of Tatarstan (north and east of Arsk) and the southern regions of the Kirov region (Malmyzh), they settled in large numbers in the north of Udmurtia only in the 16-17th century, before them there lived until the 15th century representatives of the Chepetsk culture, apparently related to the Komi-Permyaks. As for the Udmurts, it was still a bit more complicated, but it took a long time to paint it.

[@user-ce6iy2nw5o]

Izhorians and ingrian finns are different groups

[@ChirkunovIvan]

@@user-ce6iy2nw5o Not really. They differ in religion, but their idioms are very similar.

[@barkasz6066]

This map is pretty inaccurate. To mention just some of the biggest problems: 1. By about 2500 BCE the proto-Finnic and proto-Ugric branchs have already separated from one another. 2. Hungarian lost contact with related languages around 500-600 CE and was already on the Eastern-European steppes, not next to the Mansi and Khanty 3. Finnish was only present in the Southern and Western parts of Finland, until about the 1300's the entire peninsula was dominated by Saami 4. The map shows the Hungarian conquest taking place over 200 years after it actually did. 5. Hungarian presence in the Carpathian Basin was much more prominent than shown both before 1241 and 1541, two periods that did a number on the country. 6. Estonian seems to have too big of a range in 2020

[@Nastya_07]

On 1, I'd say it's more likely that Finno-Ugric and Samoyedic split in 2500 BC and Finno-Permic and Ugric split at around 2000 BC. The 2500 BC date for the split of Late Proto-Uralic correlates with the emergence of Early Proto-Indo-Iranian, since Samoyedic lacks this layer of loanwords and it's unlikely that this split happened way before the first Indo-Iranian contacts with Finno-Ugric. The 2000 BC date correlates with the late stage of the Seima-Turbino phenomenon which is thought to have spread Common Uralic, with Finno-Permic migrating westwards and Ugric remaining in the homeland but also spreading eastwards. Sources: Grünthal, Riho et al. (2022). "Drastic demographic events triggered the Uralic spread". Diachronica. 39 (4): 490-524. Häkkinen, Jaakko (2023). "On Locating Proto-Uralic". Finnisch-Ugrische Forschungen. 68 (68): 43-100.

[@thecandlemaker1329]

Excellent video, and, unlike so many others on KZbin, scientifically up to date. My hat off to the uploader.

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@ladec4539]

I don't fucking understand why turks claim that Hungarians are turkic people, there is no normal reason for it

[@istvankozma2352]

According to the early Hungarian history writers the Hungarian Tribal Federation consisted of 7 tribes. Judging by the names 2 of them perhaps were of turkic origin, the Kabars and the Tarjans. Som people mean that the Turks want to show kinship with a European people in order to get closer to Europe.

[@seethrough_treeshrew]

They are separate language families but they lived along side each other and shared a very similar culture for centuries

[@bbybo]

They say that because hungarian is not similar to finnish and estonian (two FINNIC languages). People seem to forget that hungarian belongs to the ugric branch and separated much earlier than other languages.

[@JonDoeNeace]

Because there is some linguistic overlap between Altaic(Turkic-Mongol), Uralic/Siberian, Japanese, Korean, and Tungusic Chinese languages. It was once theorized they all had a common origin which was a false imposition, but, they all had significant overlap for there to be commonality which is what lead to the Altaic-Uralic hypothesis.

[@msitso]

I’m not Turk🇹🇷 but i'm Turkic-speaking(Chuvash🌞🌱🌞). I also feel annoyed. It’s always imperialistic 🇹🇷 people that trying to claim others cultures, history. They are calling our Chuvash language “an accent of Turkish”. They are even claiming Mongolian, Japanese, Korean and Native American People as a Turkic. Sick dreamers!

[@tonit4233]

Great video, greatings from Bulgaria it was us who pushed the Hungarians to migrate west of the carpathian mountains.

[@justahungarianguy]

Thanks for that, brothers! Now we have good Lands for crops

[@sectorgovernor]

I think, those were Huns(5th century) and Pechenegs(9th century)

[@Umut_9182]

Bulgars and Hungarians are remainings fom European Hunnic Empire

[@Umut_9182]

@nothing new yeah both of them are mostly assimilated but Hungarians still have lots of Turkic names, words, traditions, foods etc. and szekelys (biggest minority(Hungarian) in Romania) have moon, star and blue color in their flag which are symbol of Turks

[@tonit4233]

@Finnic Patriot It was exactly us the descendants of both the Bulgars and the slavs en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Southern_Buh. Infact I have absolutely no idea from where does this pathological assumption - that the inhabitants of the European steppes including the Bulgars were purely turkic or somewhat ethnicly homogeneous, comes from . All anthropological data valiantly disagrees with this purely nationalistic claim. Calling us Bulgarians "mongrels" only further proves your poor knowledge of history. Every single culture is a combination of a large number of different ones or has atleast at some point of its existence encountered some foreign influence.

[@GeneralFalcon3847]

Finnish, Hungarian and Estonian are the most widely spoken Uralic languages.

[@jozsefarpadbalogh8394]

And the mordvin.

[@1h30minsmusic2]

Terveisiä Suomesta! 🇫🇮 Greetings from Finland! 🇫🇮

[@arashbehdad8469]

I am Iranian How sad that a nation of this size is not united I hope that the country of Uralic languages will be formed in the future Peace be upon Uralik languages from Iran

[@kellyfreas]

Thanks for the loads of words! - a Hungarian

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@kellyfreas haha funny because most Uralic languages have several Scythian and some Persian loanwords

[@Crxyzen]

Well, there are several indo-iranian words in Uralic languages, also at least Fins and Estonians will hang on, im sure

[@vadimpm1290]

After departure of Hungarians, from ca. 900 AD to present, the map shows no Uralic population on the left bank of Kama, in Middle Urals & southern Northern Urals. This is a mistake. From IX century this area was inhabited mainly by Mansi, also (in Sylva basin) by Khanty, and, in the North-West, by Komi. Further south, Ugric tribes (remnants of Hungarians and Khanty) were involved in the genesis of Bashkir people, adopting Turkic language.

[@xdgamer2765]

Vadim Pm hungarians and turkics probably knew each other alot, when turkics travelled in siberia when hungarians did the same thing as well.

[@vadimpm1290]

@@xdgamer2765 yes, for sure. But in the Baskirs we have a well known fact of emergence of the new ethnos as a result of turko-ugric synthesis. The same thing had happened to european Hungarians (assimilating some turkic peoples like Pechenegs, Kumans), but their language have remained basically Ugric.

[@lexi55410]

I've always thought that Hungarians are basically turkified Ugric peoples

[@anuszbizsergetokommentek2171]

​​​@@lexi55410hungarians are not ugric, only partly. Its an oversimplification of our history. Genetic and cultural studies shows that hungarians were not a single united ethnic group but an alliance of tribes with different genetical and ethnic origins whom formed a common identity on the steppes. Ugric peoples played a significant role in the formation of the hungarian ethnic group tho.

[@kubajcz]

Hmmm, so this is where *PERKELE* comes from.

[@SuperKamaki]

SAUNA, SISU, JUMALAUTA, KOSKENKORVA PERKELE!

[@markus3355]

Kinda sad watching these languages fade out after being around for so long

[@sch0146]

THANK YOU! I wanted a video like this very bad! Thank you for making this!

[@user-mw7zq2bt5k]

Such a great video! You put so much detail in these!

[@mashiah1]

Not just Russians assimilated Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia, many were also assimilated with Tatars and with other bigger peoples(Bashkirs, Khakas and others)

[@AD-yq8rl]

dima r Don’t simplify the issue, Russians made bad things to both Tatars and Uralics.

[@mashiah1]

@@AD-yq8rl Different nations made bad things to each other, nothing new in it

[@user-ce6iy2nw5o]

that was far longer ago and on a far smaller scale

[@БогданСтоцкий-з6щ]

@@AD-yq8rl what are you talking about?

[@ПетрВрангель-т8п]

@@AD-yq8rl Bad things? Are you mad or just ignorant, school kid?

[@iamseamonkey6688]

How do you gather research for these videos? Especially for a family without a written history?

[@CostasMelas]

The distant past is reconstructed by various scientific works based on the relation and common elements of the modern languages.

[@iamseamonkey6688]

I meant more about the location and spread of each language.

[@iamseamonkey6688]

That seems a little harsh

[@gammamaster1894]

Very sad to see them fade away

[@centralasia186]

In 2022, a group of scholars have presented evidence that the Proto-Uralic Homeland was located somewhere in Western Siberia and spoken by hunter-gatherers, later spreading along rivers into the Volga region, and subsequently expanding westwards and eastwards. The spread of Uralic languages may be in part due to the Seima-Turbino phenomenon, although no direct link between them can be made. Cultural technology of proto-Uralic can be described as "Neolithic", as it included pottery but no vocabulary for food production. They note that Uralic and Indo-European may be distant sister languages (Indo-Uralic), as proposed by Anthony and Ringe (2015), but that "whether based on cognacy or loans the argument from lexical resemblances is flawed". Many cognates may be explained by later contact with the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-European. They also found that the vocabulary of the Samoyedic branch is often quite "un-Uralic" which may point to a substratum among Samoyedic, although they did not found conclusive evidence for borrowings from an unknown language. Lastly they noted that "a number of typological properties are eastern-looking overall, fitting comfortably into northeast Asia, Siberia, or the North Pacific Rim".[35] According to Bjørn Rasmus G., the Proto-Uralic speakers may be associated with the Okunev culture in the Altai region. Proto-Uralic, according to Rasmus G. Bjørn, stood in areal contact with the Proto-Turkic language, and both later with Indo-European languages (specifically Tocharian and Iranian languages).[36]

[@kaioshindelest909]

Great work. You should make a video with the spread of ALL the languagues in Europe in the same time!

[@CostasMelas]

It is a great challenge but firstly I have to work in areas like the Caucasus or ancient languages such as Etruscan, Thracian, Luvic etc

[@user-ce6iy2nw5o]

@@CostasMelas you can just combine your videos somehow

[@Jacob-du9tf]

so Hungarian is created from a fusion mixture of Finno-Ugric and Samoyedic dialects?

[@Nastya_07]

Maybe, some linguists have argued that there are some similarities between Ugric and Samoyedic, though according to the traditional Finno-Ugric/Samoyedic model, Hungarian is Finno-Ugric.

[@mab3900]

So sad to see these languages fade away :( that's history dying at the same time

[@rasmusroasto9992]

Why did hungarians move away to central Europe? If they didn’t move to, what would have happened ? Would they be stateless ethnic group in Russia or independent nation?

[@jokemon9547]

Likely not independent, as for most other Central Asian and Siberian groups after Russian expansion. The Hungarian (or whatever they would be referred to as) population would likely also number in the tens of thousands or a few hundred thousand. But another possibility exists, that they just get completely wiped out. Not by the Russians, but by the expansion of the Mongol Empire. This happened to the eastern Hungarians who actually remained in the areas before the Hungarian migrations west, but it is uncertain if they got wiped out through conquest or assimilation or both.

[@Crxyzen]

There are Turkic words in Proto Samoyed, indicates that proto Turkic is much older than you showed in your video.

[@CabradeMontaña69]

Puede que sean los tofalar o los soyot los pueblos turquicos que han tenido más contacto con los samoyedos

[@thespiritualwanderer2180]

great video. l really love your language family mapping videos. can't wait to see a video about turkic languages

[@Robespierre-lI]

Historian here with a question for any linguists who see this. All the linguistic models your discipline has constructed bring us to small set of proto-languages like Proto-Indo-European. What do linguists think they know about whether or not these proto-languages represent the beginnings of language? Do we imagine that these are all there was, because language itself was relatively new? Or, do we believe that they are only the few that we can reconstruct with many others being extinct and therefore now invisible to us? We all talk quite a bit about how languages tend to diversify and multiply in isolation (i.e. Caucasus mountains) but transport and communication technologies (not to mention empires) decrease language variation. So in the deep past, is it really possible to have to only had this small handful of languages? I would expect to see many, many languages (even if we can't detect what they were anymore.). Am I wrong? Any kind linguists want to help this mildly confused historian understand?

[@miaow8670]

I'm not a linguist, but I did study a fair share of linguistics at the university, of which a small part was historical linguistics - so please forgive my simple language, and I probably won't shed much light on your question. But - as far as I understand: • Most linguists pretty much agree that in a timespan ranging from thousands to tens of thousands of years ago, there gradually came into existence a fairly small number of the most ancient proto-languages (around 40) that later split into many different languages. These most ancient proto-languages, such as Proto-Indo-European (PIE), Proto-Uralic, etc., now serve as a base for categorisation of languages into what we now call "primary" language families - "Indo-European languages", "Uralic" languages, and so on. • However, when it comes to questions like "What was before Proto-Indo-European?" or "Are these supposedly 'original' languages truly 'original'? Might they have been preceded by even older proto-languages?", things get _very_ controversial, speculative, and hazy. Various linguists have various opinions on this. Basically, the best general answer is "who knows", "not sure" or "not enough evidence". There are some radical theorists who support the "Proto-World" theory, saying that all "primary" proto-languages like Proto-Indo-European or Proto-Uralic are descendants of one single super-proto-language called "Proto-World", from which all languages in the world have arisen, but this theory isn't well acknowledged in general. A more plausible theory is that PIE or Proto-Uralic are "more probably than not" indeed the very original languages, or at least descendants of only a rather small number of older proto-languages. • By far not all proto-languages are as well reconstructed as PIE. PIE is the best reconstructed proto-language we have now, but many proto-languages are only partially or even very tentatively reconstructed. However, that doesn't usually prevent linguists to theorise that such a proto-language indeed existed. It's possible to hypothesise there was a proto-language without reconstructing it in depth. • The number of existing languages in the deep past wasn't always necessarily as small as you might think. Yes, the number of proto-languages of the highest rank is about 40, but note that they weren't all unitary languages at the same time, because their age varies. They didn't all come into existence at the same moment. So, while one proto-language was unitary in some area, another proto-language may have already started splitting itself into multiple different descendant languages, or had already split. This means that the overall number of languages in the world at a given moment grew quite quickly over time, as the proto-languages gradually, one after another, began crumbling into independent languages (which may have then themselves developed or further split into more modern languages).

[@TheGreenPig321]

The earth’s curvature really messes with you on this one

[@user-up1hi9jk3h]

i did a dna test and unexpectedly i got 30 percent erzya and i wanted to learn and do little research about their history on google it says erzya is part of uralic language family group and people but they have no representation or mention in any of uralic history videos?? are they not part of that group or they are just uncharted??

[@user-up1hi9jk3h]

@Vér Gyöngy actually im not sure if it's uralic dna or not i did 23andme dna test and 30% of my dna comes from east europe (russia) i had 6 regions and 4-5 of them were from regions that mordovians mokshas and ezyas are native and also i upload my dna to another website called gedmatch they told me im 30% southwest russia or 30% erzya and also i heard that erzya people are actually slavic genetically (mostly) but speaking uralic language but idk what i am so that's why im assuming there is some sort of connection between my ancestors and uralic people but im not sure

[@ramunc2261]

Ahhh my favorite neighbours,greetings from Havasalföld.

[@Ftibor7]

Me too favourite neighbors, Romania and maybe Slovakia.

[@sectorgovernor]

Romanian who likes Hungary?

[@kristoffeher4123]

hi i'm a hungarian language student and i love romanian, its the most interesting latin language:) long live central europe, fuck politics

[@ramunc2261]

@@kristoffeher4123 yessss

[@gheorghitaalsunculitei9146]

@@sectorgovernor Why not?The reality is different from what you see in the media. I'm from Transylvania and i know what I am talking about. My deskmate is Hungarian btw.

[@henrylansing9734]

What happened to the Sami in Sweden in the 1920s - 40s?

[@zarlei6048]

They assimilated

[@henrylansing9734]

@@zarlei6048 ... voluntarily?

[@zarlei6048]

@@henrylansing9734 I'm not sure but this is how it was in Norway: Laws were passed prohibiting schooling in the Sami language, Sami history and Sami culture. Also, Sami families were not allowed to own or purchase land. To circumvent this law, many Sami families adopted a Norwegian last name, leading to the disappearance of many original Sami names. Moreover, Sami children were taken from their parents and sent to mandatory boarding schools in other parts of Norway. As late as the 1950s, these laws and policies were justified by stating that Sami people were mentally handicapped: 'In the folk consensus from 1950, Samis were classified in the same category as the “mentally disabled” and “insane”. Can't imagine it being much different in Sweden. Kinda strange that they went from such hardcore racism to being cucked by islam, in two generations no less.

[@henrylansing9734]

@@zarlei6048 wow I had no idea. Seems like they would've done that earlier than the 1950s but maybe that's just cause I'm thinking from an American perspective. And yeah wtf does no one there care to protect their Christian/secular (and, frankly, white) heritage? Other, way larger countries like France banned the Hijab but those Scandinavians with tiny populations have only encouraged their people's destruction. Which they can't really afford.

[@istvankozma2352]

@@zarlei6048 No, they are not. In Sweden there are 20-40 000 Samis. There are Sami schools, and 3 of the Sami languages can be studied on university level.

[@Feon83]

Unlike the Celtic languages that are almost gone,fortunately Uralic languages will be spoken in Estonia,Finland and Hungary.To bad for Uralians in Russia thow.They were a big part in the history of peoples of Europe.

[@g-rexsaurus794]

>They were a big part in the history of peoples of Europe. No they weren't, they were one of the least significant populations.

[@blacksmith88]

@@g-rexsaurus794 Describe significant.

[@g-rexsaurus794]

@@blacksmith88 Uralic from Russia were the least politically, socially, culturally,demographicslly important group in Europe.

[@blacksmith88]

@@g-rexsaurus794 ..and that's why it was so very very important to destroy, raid, convert and steal their history&wealth? ^_^

[@g-rexsaurus794]

@@blacksmith88 People expanding by conquest and assimilation is normal in history, stop whining about it. Also there is little history or wealth to steal from them anyway.

[@maciejniedzielski7496]

Epique . I think that importance of exchange and influences between Protouralic People and Protoslavic People is still underatted and has lots of important levels linguistic, ethnic etc.

[@hampusboman7143]

you didnt show all the different saami languages, theyre really different actually, was that to make it less crowded or lack of information, much respect

[@jarskil8862]

Tho are they different languages or just dialects? I live in eastern Finland and sometimes I cant understand what people in Helsinki are talking about due they have butchered the language there. But they call it "Dialect"😂

[@hampusboman7143]

@@jarskil8862 nah its totally different languages, if you speak southern saami you cant understand anything someone speaking northen saami says, its like swedish and german, just some words here and there are similar

[@love_x_love6619]

@@hampusboman7143 I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing.

[@avantelvsitania3359]

Excellent video, and in my opinion seriously needed. It would be awesome if one day you could take all these language families maps and put them together. At least for certain regions. Also, while Livonian, not being extinct, hasn't any native speaker left, I think there are yet a handful of Votic speakers in Luga River region. I think that perhaps you precipitated yourself by take them out of the map yet.

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you. Votic has remained with less than 10 speakers, so it is impossible to be appeared in this scale of map

[@mehmetmuslimov559]

There are some mistakes on BalticFinnic and Saami. 1.Saami was in Central Finland and Karelia until 1400-1500-1600.2. First split in the Baltic Finnic was split on Livonian, South Estonian, and the rest. Later the Rest has splitted into NorthernEstonian-Votic and Nothern Baltic Finnic. 3. There was Karelian colonisation of Central and Northern Karelia and some parts of Central Finland. 4.also there was Finnish colonisation of Central Finland and some parts of Ladoga Karelia and Ingria

[@CostasMelas]

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