Could A Flight Of Apaches Prevent The 1941 Siege Of Tobruk? (WarGames 34a) | DCS

[@grimreapers]

Re-run with Radar Missiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b56bdqqLZrisl7c

[@fredericlepeltier3435]

From my old days flying Janes Longbow Apache D : Get in position, swipe your FCR once then set your kill box on the TSD Fire all 16 hellfire in LOAL - they are assigned one target each automaticly - turn the FCR for the hellfire before the TOT read 1sec Go back to FARP, repeat and enjoy! What a fun it was back then.

[@jameshewitt8828]

You can create PFZs (Priority fire zones) and ripple those RF Hellfires off

[@vanguard9067]

Based on your real world experience, would it actually require complete destruction of the convoy to prevent it from continuing their mission? Would the Germans have really moved ahead with the trying to besiege Tobruk after losing 25% (or more) of their soldiers and assets? Is their a point where the instinct for self-preservation takes hold? Thank you for helping me understand. Take care.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@vanguard9067 I do think a morale option would add to this as well.

[@vanguard9067]

@@Thurgosh_OG Absolutely…or at least I would hope so very much. Take care

[@TheGeezzer]

I put a lot of hours in on that game it was awesome for the time. I liked LOBL (lock-on before launch) and pinned each one in my TADS one at a time. But that was with radar-guided hellfires (on the Longbow) these guys in the vid just had laser-guided not as much fun or accuracy!

[@Sophocles13]

I mean what you can't stimulate is how they'd react to all their armor being picked off seemingly from nowhere. A few losses like that and they'd be the hell outta there ;)

[@AidanMillward]

Aw damn, think my grandad would have been there. Durham Light Infantry. We know he was at El Alamein, but then all he ever said was “we chased Rommel to one side of the desert, and when we got there, we chased him all the way back”

[@Phil-D83]

Most modern tech would wipe the floor with ww2 tech. Biggest limitation is running out of ammo, parts, fuel,etc

[@FirstLadyDonald]

Keeping modern aircraft in the air is the big problem

[@codebasher1]

With german armour primarily being Pzkw 2's and Pzkw 38's, the 30mm cannon on the Apache would have carved them up for a light lunch.

[@Gromit801]

Primarily Panzer II, III, and short barreled IV in 1941.

[@stupidburp]

Even HE Hydra rockets could probably take out Pz 2. Especially from above or the rear.

[@genericnamehere7602]

@@stupidburp No probably about it. Those midget panzers, compared to their later cousins, would be turned into lunch meat.

[@joshuaalistair3193]

LOL speaking of "not the prettiest landing, but I'm down", my worst landing was in Afghanistan. We had a target within visual of the FARP with the Task Force on the target. So since we could keep eyes on each other from the FARP we decided to rotate into the FARP so as to provide continuous coverage. Lead FARPed first, once complete we came to the FARP. Around 40-50 feet above the ground Betty went off with a Utility Hydraulic Pressure Low followed by smoke in the cockpit. At this stage we opted to simply land before losing hydraulics and attempting a run-on landing. By the time I touched down the cockpit was completely filled with smoke, each of us ripped open the canopy door as we completely lost the Utility Hydraulics and completed an emergency engine shutdown. Turns out, the wrong hose was installed on the aircraft and had worn through.

[@nigeldepledge3790]

I think the guys' confidence at the start was well-placed. The Hellfire is a brutal piece of ordnance. Also, none of the Afrika Korps would ever have seen a helicopter. In fact, it's plausible that only a few of them had ever even heard of the concept.

[@DFX2KX]

Germany *did* have some early rotorcraft near the end of the war IIRC, but anything like the Apache, with both payload, agility, *and* guided ordnance (which was also only just in it's infancy at the very end of WW2 in the form of remote-control rockets)? Yeah, they'd be completely bewildered.

[@chrisrobinson9178]

@@DFX2KX They had retorcraft before the war as did the british

[@chrisrobinson9178]

Flettner

[@nigeldepledge3790]

@@chrisrobinson9178 - but weren't they top-secret research projects?

[@chrisrobinson9178]

@@nigeldepledge3790 no if i remember they where a version of a Spanish invention the britsh had them as well.Juan de la Cierva's ( Spain ) . a auto giro (but who knows just checking a few facts i saw its follow on was about to be ramped up in production when Hitler canceled because of the Korean war).Nice set of videos

[@andrewstrongman305]

The Ah-64 can potentially reload ammo in 30 seconds, but even if it took 60 seconds, the Apaches IRL would simply OBLITERATE the Afrika Korps assault. The Germans had field AA and a few batteries of 88mm guns, so they would have to be taken out quickly by flanking 'pop-up' attacks - bread and butter for the Apache. German tanks and armoured infantry had only rifle calibre machineguns (possibly with a few mounted 20mm AA-vehicles), so they would pose little threat to attacking Apaches. The FAB would also have been well protected by 3 Australian infantry brigades, and 2 more covering the flanks, plus a British armoured brigade and an AA brigade.

[@jacob476]

This is mostly open desert. Nothing to "pop up" from

[@andrewstrongman305]

@@jacob476 There are low hills and ridges a few kilometres from the city.

[@michbert56]

What happens if an Apache gets "hit" with an 88 if you enter their enevelope ? Max Range for the 88 would be around 14000 meters Operational range 550 to 12,030 yd (0.5 to 11 km) for a Hellfire,

[@andrewstrongman305]

@@michbert56 Obviously an 88' would wreck an Apache if it hit one. On the other hand, the Apaches can 'see' in the dark, where 88's had to rely on searchlights.

[@override367]

the apaches would just attack at night and destroy everything

[@Dave5843-d9m]

During the Second Battle of El Alamein, the British 57mm Six Pounder Anti Tank gun ripped the heart out of Rommel's tanks. Panzer 4, even at maximum range, was toast against these high velocity guns

[@christophero55]

I would like to see this mission tried with Hinds. I don't think the Hind can carry as many Anti-tank missiles as the Apache. Its different tech, different flight characteristics...so it's worth trying. I would get Damp in there if you could if you are going to go Hinds.

[@jugganaut33]

You’d have to consider the cost though. A Mi24 is roughly $4m each. AH64 is $13 million. So realistically, what every number of helicopters you fly as apache’s you could triple logistically for the Hinds. In which case. They can absolutely wreck apaches.

[@macvos]

@@jugganaut33 you also need the pilots and training

[@akaJughead]

@@jugganaut33 The Ukrainian war is showing us the disadvantage of Russia's cheapness. I would much rather have fewer more expensive American helicopters, then three dozen examples of Russian flying garbage.

[@akaJughead]

@StatikTiger okay Vlad, whatever

[@jugganaut33]

@@akaJughead: the Ukrainian war is showing the disadvantage of not bombing a country into rubble before invading. It’s showing the disadvantage of taking on an invasion in the historically hardest landscape to invade in the worst possible time of year. It’s showing the disadvantage of fighting the first modern peer to peer war in history against an entire populous that had 8 years to prepare. It’s not done anything to show the inability of the Mi-24. The only images and videos you’ve seen has been the losses. Of which there is visual evidence of 40 aircraft losses. Out of 1,600 sorties. A 2.5% fatality rate on operations.

[@laryjr1830]

The CE-172P had an issue with the seats unlocking and sliding back during takeoff. An AD had to be issued for a fix on the seat rails to prevent the tippy-toe issue. So yes, every once in a while it's a real plane thing too. Happened to me a few times to be saved by the AD.

[@codebasher1]

My grandfather was in the siege of Tobruk (Cpt C Kendall) 7th Div ANZAC, he would have loved this.

[@FantasyInc.]

Titanium Bollocks is a cracking callsign, i wish id have thought of that first...

[@mikeck4609]

I think it’s time for a good ol’ fashioned single mission; trying out the AH-64. “Escort the armored bluefor convoy north to Aleppo” or something. Add some CAP and SEAD with Redfor opposing in Hinds/Mig/SU’s, etc

[@belit65]

love your videos and enjoy the talk between players you guys are good

[@isaacwest]

29:10 thats not what danger close means or is used for. during a call for fire, whoever is calling for fire states danger close if friendly troops are potentially in the splash zone of the ordenance called in. for CAS with guided weapons, typically danger close would be friendly troops within 600 meters of the target. the larger the ordonance being called in, the larger the radius of danger close becomes with it extending out to even 2.5km's for naval gunfire. it doesn't mean anything in reference to the position of enemy troops though.

[@cayohowells2507]

Fair pint but this is gr not supposed to be the most realistic side of dcs but I understand your point

[@cailewis9089]

I think the gun would have been awesome to use in this mission. Would have mopped up the troop transports

[@GarthKlaus]

I keep thinking: Why waste a Hellfire on a half-track. That canon would cut them in half.

[@Len_M.]

Yup. Should of used Guns too. Waste. A Marine Recon Element out Lazing for the AH-64’s would be badass too.

[@heatblast876]

@@AnthonyCarrierKZbin Sorry to say that, an Apache helicopter M230 chain barrel cannon carries an 30mm warhead of HEI (high explosive incendiary), HEDP (high explosive dual purpose) and HEI-T (high explosive incendiary-tracer) warhead those type of warhead can do great damage to ground attack, it can do more damage than the API rounds (Armor precing incendiary). The Apache helicopter M230 can carry upto 1200 rounds, that an enough round to shoot and neutralize the enemy target, but there is an problem is that you need an sufficient range to aim at the enemy target and accuracy to hit the target. Even that the high explosive has a damage radius, it can blow up an tank armor and HEDP round can give more strong punch than the API rounds. So the HEI rounds is a deadly warhead than the API rounds.

[@drrocketman7794]

@@AnthonyCarrierKZbin I believe the 30mm API with the DU tips is for the A-10 and it's a much larger cartridge.

[@Skrappi09]

I absolutely love your channel and content. Outside of the operational challenges due to the processing it would be interesting to see the psychological impact element added. Not only from modern warfare scenarios but also how WWII era combatants would react to modern warcraft suddenly showing up and decimating them.

[@jamespaladino2784]

Super good Cap and The Boys. True talent, BRAVO

[@atlas4733]

The most intense game of bloons tower defense XD

[@marktisdale7935]

@Grim Reapers the only issue I have with the whole premise of this video is that you are looking at it from in a game prospective rather than if it would be possible in really life. As a guy who was an US Army Apache Armt Dog who worked on the busiest FRAP in Iraq during the Surge. I telling you that a typical FRAP pad crew consists of 2 Armt Dogs(one of which is the pad chief who controls everything happening on the pad) and 2 fuelers. In order to reload and Apache that has run dry while heavy hogging it would take 9 Armt Dogs including the pad chief, this I because it requires two men per hellfire, which would give you 2 pairs per side of the bird. It would still take 10 minutes if you had perfect crews and have a pad pre-staged with enough hellfires that are all of the type that you want loaded. But that would be an issue because you would violate safety restrictions about the amount of ordinance on the pad with one reload, much less being able to handle multiple birds. If you started adding reloading the 30mm into the process it would take even longer, because basically your pad chief would have to do that while directing everything else.

[@BrandoDrum]

You should use guns 100% on those half tracks. far more effective to use hellfire on hard armor only.

[@override367]

I'm fairly certain the apache's autocannon could kill most german tanks of the time

[@kevinskipp2762]

No such thing as hard armour in WW2. Like the other guy said, the Apache gun would go through even a King Tiger imho. Modern light armoured vehicles are probably as tough as the old WW2 heavy tanks - especially in 1941 as they improved hugely over the war

[@AudieHolland]

Great show of learning to fly and fight with the Apache! Now try the same scenario but with Cold War era tanks. *And ZSU-23-4 Shilkas...*

[@SFCret24]

When you have so many missiles, you should call your shots "rifle 1, rifle 2, etc" that way you can keep track of your missile load.

[@grimreapers]

cool

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

I've watched not sure how many hours of DCS Apache footage but only just twigged the Longbow radar isn't simulated yet. There was _something_ off vs the 90s sims I was familiar with!

[@352ndtc]

Were are the key blinds for the AH-64D Apache?

[@billysipe5040]

Love the content, just found your channel. Was wondering if you could do a defense of pearl harbor with modern aircraft?

[@grimreapers]

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[@Galm02]

@@grimreapers if there is an idea for dcs you guys have thought of it alr haven’t you 😭

[@666ingz]

Get stuck in 😂

[@archvizwiz]

After a search for an acceptable international news channel. Seeking data on the Russian military attack on Ukraine. Found your channel and can.t seem to watch anything else. Your military sorties utilizing your simulation software seem to have captivated me. This is very interesting and educational. Thanks and keep u[ the interesting scenarios. Cheers

[@ToolTimeTabor]

In your HUD, there is a "large box" and a "small box" that will be either solid or dashed. Be sure to launch the missile when the box is solid. If dashed, you can "step on the box" by applying pedal to that side which will bring the box more towards the centerline. At some point, it will go solid and you can launch.

[@jamesa.7604]

Well Done, Reapers! Y'all put the big smackdown on that armor assault! Loved seeing the 82nd Airborne insignia on a few of the Apaches. Representing for Fort Bragg, North Carolina! YES!!

[@magnanimus9692]

I hope Cap's Nissan is an Armada. Would be super appropriate :P

[@majorpancake5658]

Saw this pop up on my feed, and said "Oh no, they're at it again!" aloud xD Love you guys

[@artonline01]

It is amazing the British still use the telegraph.

[@joshuaalistair3193]

The Hellfire will not miss based upon any rudder movement, it is laser guided and as long as the seeker locks onto the laser it is going to hit whatever the laser is on. Also, you can get two or three missiles in the air at a time. Simply start with your further target so the smoke doesn't obstruct your laser. Then give yourself several second between missiles. After your first target is destroyed, bring the laser down into the dirt in front of your killed target, walk it to the next target and paint it, wash/rinse/repeat. The missile will create its own trajectory, all you have to do is make sure the seeker is tracking the laser. Also, their is nothing out there in WW2 armor that the Hellfire will not destroy. As for not using the gun, the gun will punch through most armor of that era.

[@TheCaptainbeefylog]

My grandfather was at Tobruk with the 9th. When it was over he was shipped home for R&R. Just in time to be rushed to Kokoda.

[@gerrynightingale9045]

*The answer is 'Yes/No/and 'Maybe'* *Luftwaffe pilots were notorious for 'pressing an attack' and Helos are very vulnerable close-up and ground-fire from an '88' is just as deadly now as it was then* __________ *Main rotors cannot withstand being 'off-balance' for long and neither can the power-train which does not tolerate 'off-center' force vectors without bearings failing from unequal pressures* ___________

[@davidtaylor4975]

Cap gets so stressed!

[@joshuaalistair3193]

WOW, I cannot believe how accurate and detailed the cockpit is!

[@timbaskett6299]

I could imagine what those armored units are thinking. "What kind of demon spawn are these!!!"

[@ricardobornman1698]

Flight of Apaches, beautiful thing.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

This isn't even a question. Unless you factor in the Luftwaffe attacking the Apaches possibly. It's like asking if an Abrams tank battalion could have routed Napoleon at the Battle of the Pyramids.

[@christophero55]

Lol I like how they all picked on Cap at the end lighting him up with those 30 mike mikes. That's just your boys dumping the cooler of Gatorade on you after a win Cap :)

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@mikeck4609]

According to Casmo, the option to fly up and attack down is to allow the missle to pick up laser designation from other sources more easily and to avoid obstructions between the tank and the Apache launching that might detonate or interfere with Hellfire. A Javeline uses top attack because it has a relatively small warhead.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Big smile the whole way! Good going GR!

[@jamesm7624]

I'm brand new to DCS, I barely got in on the spring sale and Just ordered about $250 worth mods, maps ,Jets. I'm in que for WinWing Orion F-16 Combo pckg $649. I know from watching some vids I will love this combat sim. The learning curve is very high for this sim from what I understand, who has the best simply explained training video's??

[@bwoaah_owl]

I wonder if yall could do one of Ed Macy's missions as a british apache pilot?

[@MarkMeadows90]

I think a few A10s with cluster bombs would obliterate that convoy.

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

cluster munitions are illegal, though

[@MarkMeadows90]

@@RoamingAdhocrat how so?

[@grimreapers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5XEiKWcZ7J8etk

[@giant47]

@@TeenTeenFpv The US cries foul when they are dropped on civilians. That is not how the US uses them.

[@MarkMeadows90]

@@grimreapers didn’t know my comment would be pinned. I was just curious what the outcome would be like.

[@monkman911]

I believe this would have been much more effective if George was flying and the GR's were CP/G. George is awesome flying the helo but kind of hit and miss shooting 🙂

[@nadineblachetta3202]

How about a modernized version of this assault? In this Szenario here the Apache had no qualm with AA and SAM, those would make it more interessant than hovering high and shoot turkeys.

[@erikerice9068]

Amazing how fast you can go through 16 Hellfires.

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@jameshewitt8828]

Wait till you get the FCR and RF Hellfires, you'll be rippling them out

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@92HazelMocha]

I came here to say this lol, iirc the longbow can track 16+ targets at once and the 114L's don't require input after launch.

[@WabbitSwayer70]

Almost seems like you forgot that you've got a 30mm cannon at your disposal.

[@RetroAmateur2]

these scenarios don't account for some factors, like morale. What would the Germans think when out of the blue their tanks get destroyed consistently?

[@Carfeu]

They were all high on meth

[@ArmChairPilot.]

Cap try to keep the hellfire targeting box in the center to help George keep that laser on target

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@garethjohnstone8662]

It would be awesome if someone recreated the old Megadrive game, Desert Strike using this game.

[@gregorymaupin6388]

LOL 😂 love this you guys always give me the chuckles Good times

[@albird87]

Well done boys. Good flying and good shooting.

[@GunnerRA155]

I'm getting strong "Final Countdown" vibes..

[@coriespringer9785]

Why not have some of the crew equip hydra pods and split some to hit the APCs and the hellfires to focus on the armor?

[@blakeparry1983]

How would the rockets have been against the APC's? probably still need hellfires for the tanks but could have split load

[@tyho6521]

Cap, do Operation Ten Go, fly as Japanese F15Js as top cover for the Yamato and her escorts as they try to defend Okinawa from the hordes of USN ships and planes.

[@grimreapers]

k

[@MeatVision]

What a tremendous weapon system the AH64 is, dominates the ground combat. Is Apache's DIRCM modeled?

[@92HazelMocha]

Not yet

[@Draksyl]

Did you program some mobile flak / anti air on the German side? Fairly sure they wouldn't be entirely defenceless?

[@Draksyl]

@@TeenTeenFpv - fairly sure it was just HMGs, not something like a Wirbelwind that would have been a significantly greater threat, yet still keep up with the armour?

[@klauslass6766]

@@Draksyl You both are right. Further Luftwaffe would have been called in, which would have seriously disturbed the Apaches from comfortably doing their long distance kills and hindered them from rearming/refuelling. So, combined fire from Wirbelwind and fighter planes should have been programed in to make it realistic. No question modern weaponry will always show its advancement, but not that ridiculously easy.

[@jberg3447]

U guys should try a battle of Kursk but in modern day instead of WW2 equipment

[@jberg3447]

If u haven't tried to make a video like that already

[@grimreapers]

This is the closest so far: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d522c4F9bcSAi7M

[@genericnamehere7602]

The Apache flight would be able to make a massive dent in their number with the 30mm cannon alone. with some trigger discipline, they could rack up a triple digit kill count with ease, provided they stay mobile and not make themselves easy targets for any AA guns, which they are still very vulnerable to.

[@mrlodwick]

Thank you.

[@zipxd_sng]

Remember that winwing technology is your ultimate hardware solution :) 84

[@RogueWraith909]

Could a Westland Lynx do it? They're fast and agile but don't have the armour or weapon loadout that the Apache has...

[@Thurgosh_OG]

Lynx can carry 8 Hellfire missiles, so They would have to RTB more often but would take less time firing off the full load, still possible I think for them to win as long as they use the range advantage.

[@paulhsv1121]

It’s be nice if there was less colorful language - especially GD. But otherwise I really enjoy the videos!

[@Brian-WolfmanJack99]

what does the front seat do besides operating the 20 mm?

[@grimreapers]

Guides missiles and laser.

[@jrlbegay]

Is it REALLY ones and zeros? Or is it zeros and ones? HAHAHAHA, good show! LOL

[@ghostlypiano69]

Apaches for the win cause they know no L's :)

[@cayohowells2507]

I swear u only need two apaches to take out a batalian of tanks because of the 16 hell fires it can carry

[@JamesP33R]

With a good human CP/G you should be able to offload and kill with all 16 missiles in ~

[@Mojje42]

question is which heli would be more efficient: Apache, Ka-50 or Hind?

[@grimreapers]

hmm

[@edtlonsway]

@GrimReapers There isn't a WWII tank that won't be destroyed or rendered combat ineffective by the AGM-114. You may just be talking in game errors. Cap also mentions high trajectory. It is important to note that the Hellfire automatically climbs and impacts so the aircraft altitude has little effect. Employ the weapon systems in the best tactical position and the missile will do the rest. Also, not sure how DCS handles this but your biggest challenge in desert environments while engaging moving armor would be laser backscatter. The dust from the tracks, smoke from burning vehicles would potentially degrade laser spot accuracy. To help with the latter engage the furthest targets first (or highest threat in modern engagements). As someone else mentioned LOAL is always a great tool to use to minimize the effects of laser cross contamination and backscatter. Use 30mm on trucks and soft targets. Save Hellfire for Armor. Does DCS support IAT? That is a nice way to track the target and reduce workload on the CPG when tracking moving targets. Lastly, just a technique thing. If you use LOAL you can have multiple missiles in the air at once. This is more effective in the scenario you are playing where armor is grouped and at a longer range. You would positively ID your targets and launch first missile like normal. You can then send a second missile and move your spot after the first impacts. You obviously need enough time to move the laser spot and have the missile react. If targets are too far apart or too close this obviously doesn't work well. Great video!

[@andrewjohnson6162]

If you've done this with the A10 please add the link here. I love watching these vids. It sounds like so much fun.

[@ronhaukenfrers308]

A bit of a turkey shoot with modern tech against WW2. It would be interesting to see how the Apaches would perform if the Germans were also provisioned with equivalent era equipment.

[@BlokeOnAMotorbike]

couldn't you use a flight of Apaches as gunships and a single Longbow as a laser target designator?

[@AudieHolland]

Should have used hand held Laser Target Designators in the field. That way, you don't even have to show your chopper to the enemy, you could literally all just hide behind a hill and fire your rockets, like fire and forget. The men in the field with the laser target designators would make sure all were hits.

[@donotwantyoutoknowit]

I just got new office chair wheels with brakes on them for some 30 bucks. Game Changer!

[@anthonyyoung6433]

The only new tech that wouldn’t crush old tech is warship’s. Those thick armored hulls are a problem.

[@cmotdibbler4454]

It would be interesting to see this mission done like a "broken arrow" situation using Harriers, AH64s, A10s, f18s, f16s etc, and see how quickly you can wipe the panzers from the map

[@Yata69]

A10s would have been an 3nd all be all mission! Tanks just don't matter!

[@77goanywhere]

50 burning tanks in front of you, with no idea how it happened, but darn it, we're going to push on!! 😂

[@ryanhooper4660]

I would try a mix of rocket and gun strafing on the lighter vehicles with attacks to the rear armor of the tanks using hell fires. I have also seen tanks and artilleries trying to shoot me down in the AH 64... not sure tow behind artilleries could/would try to engage a moving helo.

[@lolmao500]

Apaches need some kind of cluster anti-vehicles missiles to do maximum damages against convoys.

[@user-mn2mw1og8u]

They do, it's the chin mounted 30mm

[@randlebrowne2048]

I'm pretty sure that some of the rocket types they use (against soft-skinned targets) have an air-burst mode with flechettes.

[@joeyj8675]

What program are you using this is way awesome and finally someone actually did this..

[@garykirk1968]

If you're in their gun range, they're in yours.. Use the off bore 30mm guys

[@WyvernFalken]

Would love to but the aim of this situation was to use Hellfires almost exclusively.

[@ProBreakers]

What about german air support? I imagine WW2 fighters would still be a danger to Apaches?

[@Wayoutthere]

From what I've seen the KA50 would destroy MORE then the Apache. So many Hellfire misses...

[@strambino1]

The hellfire can kill anything! I wonder how many hellfires it would take to kill a ship in DCS?

[@grimreapers]

hmmm

[@92HazelMocha]

It's only a 20lb warhead. More than enough to obliterate a tank, but much much smaller than most fixed wing air to ground weapons. So the answer is a lot.

[@stupidburp]

If you poke holes at the waterline, then they should eventually flood but I doubt the game will take that into account.

[@alyarrf]

Ka50s can annihilate much more than this. I see so many hellfires missing the mark.

[@jonshaddox712]

Anyone remember the old Saturday night live skit with Dan Aykroyd talking about if they had a B-52’s with nuclear weapons in the Civil War?

[@youravaragelowtierpilot.8099]

DCS: Lmao ez long range kills with AGM's WT: *OH GOD NOT THE WIRBELWINDS AGAIN*

[@tomriley5790]

Looks like alot of hellfires missed, wonder what caused that.

[@grimreapers]

Not holding chopper still enough maybe??

[@stretchka111]

This would of been much easier with RC lol. Can you do helicopters vs Sams please cap?

[@grimreapers]

It's all been done. 4 vids about half way down: kzbin.info/aero/PL3kOAM2N1YJcR0yJfN82co23MADdkxXp8

[@stretchka111]

@@grimreapers not with the Apache lol

[@guillaumevalli5031]

@@grimreapers HIND rematch please please please :)))

[@aghostofrazgriz5137]

What was the Workaround for Hellfire Lasing? Apparently Everyone is having this issue.

[@grimreapers]

will make a vid on it when RC get back from hols.

[@aghostofrazgriz5137]

I figured it out from this Video, Actually, after rewatching. Another good fix ive found is let the Gunner rearm the Aircraft, in addition with your dif channels works Great. Thanks Cap. Tell Rage and Dove i said Hi.

[@ZackAttack005]

Imagine being Rommel and trying to figure out what the fuck is happening.

[@tomyfamily1]

*Help* Cap I can't figure out the hover and trim of the Apache. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

[@rodneypayne4827]

Trim is bugged. Also the Hellfire are also b in bugged with every second or third shot wobbling all over the place and completely missing. Apparently ED are working on it and will be fixed soon. A number of KZbinrs have noted this.

[@tomyfamily1]

@Rodney Payne Thank you for helping. I have had zero success in getting her to hover or maintain level flight. And transitioning to flight after attempted hover.... forget about it. Lol