Could I Land On A Helipad in Dubai?

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[@redbull]

just dropping in to appreciate the effort and dedication that you've put into recreating this with the tools at your disposal Trent, we believe you could do it 😎

[@MrGuliton]

Mike Patey would build him a cub that would start and land vertically. Easy...🙈

[@lurking0death]

Why risk your life to do something so inconsequential and unimportant?

[@segredosdotiosam9989]

@@lurking0death Why waste your life seating on your couch and eating Cheetos all day?

[@rep001]

Love the fact Trent that Freedom is on MSFS, I've been practicing ever since I saw it done. Awesome

[@travisminneapolis]

Thank you #redbull for advancing aviation, for investing into engineering and experimentation with people like the Pateys and their team.

[@Luke.czepiela]

Hi Trent thanks for posting that. Just some numbers for the viewers. So density altitude in Dubai was around 2500ft at ground level. Helipad was just over 600ft in the air. We could not reply on strong winds due to massive rotors rolling of the building so the wind was only 7kts unlike some of the super short STOL landings on the net. Basically over 12kts of wind and it was almost unflyable.

[@lennartbiermann8153]

Big hunk of respect for pulling that off. I tried to replicate it in FS2020 and could not do it below 12 knots IIRC (I think the turbulences from the building are not really replicated in the sim). To be fair that was with pretty much a default Carbon Cub. Also I loved the background clips from Mike about the aircraft build.

[@GlensHangar]

Even if you can't - It's great to fully investigate / practice with the flight envelope of your aircraft. Know what you as a pilot are capable of, and what your aircraft is capable of. Stay sharp, practice your skills.

[@TheBrennan90]

As long as you do it safely!

[@snoopstp4189]

pack a tail chute just in case..

[@MrToddsCorner]

What they did was great, but seeing Trent take off and land gives much more relevance to just what it took to pull off the stunt. In the Red Bull stunt, they did have a headwind which of course helped. Great job Trent. This is one of many parts of what makes aviation fun.

[@adamc2837]

Heard of Mike Patey? lol

[@henkwallet6756]

When I saw last week the helipad landing I was directly thinking of you Trent. So good to see you doing this in perspective. You may be proud of yourself. Nice vid.....

[@keithheinemann]

Luke has nerves of steel to pull that off. That was cool Trent, thanks for showing us the comparison. Definitely not as easy as Luke made it look.

[@FrozenLionsFan]

Oh for sure. He showed some of his practice runs and I think before he left for Dubai he was making it around 90% of his landings.

[@mcitservices5234]

Good stuff! Luke and all of you guys are great ambassadors for this Sport, Hobbie, and Life. Trent thank you for sharing and great stuff.

[@doncatchpole7370]

Wow, good job. Held my attention. Fun stuff.

[@elvislee7142]

The only complaint I’d have. Is that the density altitude in Dubai would be higher than just standard sea level no? Surly the super high temperatures would make a massive difference? Which makes the whole stunt even more impressive

[@Jandyg]

The Heli pad certainly added, 1000% to the difficulty of the stunt. I felt scared of heights just watching the guy’s walk around on the pad. And I was at my desk at home LOL. Congratulations to Mike and the Red Bull team. Thanks Trent for another great video. Keep them coming. Hope all are well and safe.

[@realulli]

What mostly added to the difficulty was the turbulence rolling off the building...

[@charlesmartin1121]

You should have invited Hal, Steve Henry and Kevin Quinn to participate as well.

[@williamparker917]

Bet Steve Henry with 44 could. Last weekend at Swamp stol his total distance was 35 feet.

[@Jefreeman13]

Just started my flight training earlier this month, thanks for the constant inspiration Trent🤙🏼

[@digiay]

The densityaltitude was around 1900ft during the attempt due to high temperature in dubai. Additionally the tower makes choppy air so they had to land with minimal headwind. That all makes it a lot harder than taking 600ft and get smooth headwind. It is fun to play around and see if you could do it, but some people in the comment section think that this is just another Tuesday.

[@Mike7478F]

The Dubai landing was a crosswind of 7 k starboard to port!!

[@wild_lee_coyote]

One of the things I noticed with Luke’s takeoff from the Helipad, his wheels are off the pad before the lip. His dive was all for show. That RedBull Carbon Cub was a beast of a bush plane.

[@FrozenLionsFan]

100% the plane has nitrous that takeoff was all show and what a show it was

[@GarrettThornburg]

The headwind will help with this as well.

[@MrBlase89]

I have a hard time believing that dive was all just for show as he would have lost ground effect at the end of the pad and the mains left contact just prior to the for end of it, now that's not to say he didn't dramatize the dive a little bit for the excitement of it, but I don't think it was possible to maintain level flight and idk about the rest of you but with o ly 600 feet to spare an accelerated stall doesn't sound like much fun

[@FrozenLionsFan]

@@MrBlase89 maybe but if you watch the video of them making that monster plane they show it’s takeoff and it’s pretty short

[@MrBlase89]

@@FrozenLionsFan I'll check it out

[@propabilityfpv]

TP's got the smoothest sponsor intros in the game 🤣

[@bakerrv]

That was impressive Trent, from what I saw you had the takeoff and the landing within the 118 feet. The bounce you felt would not have been there because the tail hit after what would have been the edge of the heli-pad.👍👍

[@dany_offroads]

We also gotta consider the amount of high wind at those altitudes in which they performed the stunt and could use to an advantage

[@julianandyvonne]

Always your wing man Trent 👍 Another great video 😊

[@opieshomeshop]

*_Sorry but a guy named Bryan landed on the bobs big boy hamburger in a Comanche. You'll have to find some other thing to land on. Maybe try landing on Hooters.. Just a thought. Commenting for a friend._*

[@pittss2c601]

Steve Henry could have probably done it without modifications. Just wrap the plane and Go.

[@colinwallace5286]

Trent, you have put together an awesome aircraft over years. You can bet Mike watched this, and was pumped about it. While I wouldn’t consider less than 150 feet as a “safe” envelope, at least you know what the Freedom Fox is capable of should a desperate need arise. Another entertaining (and educational) video.😎

[@jrmaxwell4504]

I believe the helipad had 7kts of wind. They couldn't tolerate any more because they were getting nasty unpredictable rotors off the sides of the building. Check out the Patey video. Amazing feat in Dubai and well done Trent.

[@kentmckean6795]

Considering the work that went into the Carbon Cub, you did an awesome job!

[@tayloralexander4789]

Trent, I just landed the freedom fox on there last night on flight sim so the answer is obviously yes then😂

[@TrentonPalmer]

Epic! Case closed then!

[@entelin]

I think one of the hard parts of that stunt is how little, and how different your visual reference is approaching to such a small elevated spot.

[@GaryMCurran]

Great video. There has been a lot of trash talk about how STOL airplanes could do this, the competitions and stuff, and I think this really demonstrated that even with a light airplane, you're still going to have a lot of problems doing this. I wonder if the density altitude corrections really simulated what Luke was going through, and if 118 versus 80 was accurate, given temperature and other variables. Still, thanks for doing this and showing it off.

[@stevet8121]

The first big danger of landing on an elevated helipad is landing short.

[@charlesmartin1121]

Ouch. Damn right.

[@jpascaln]

And it only starts there.

[@HamishBrown3]

I wonder if Steve Henry was ever a part of this discussion. Steve and Yeehaw 8 is the best STOL setup in the world by a long shot.

[@jginmt]

It sounded like Luke and Mike had to do a lot of practicing too. Thanks for your example of showing how hard it was.

[@pigeon4208]

If you want it to perform in a crazier fashion, just let Mike borrow the freedom fox for a few weeks

[@finderskeepers1993]

Sparking an interest in Bush flying has taught me That with the proper headwind, even the shortest landings can become possible . I have faith trent would nail it in the right conditions👍

[@NBSV1]

Because of turbulence from the building they couldn't have much wind before it was to unpredictable. At the end of the day it's really impressive since it's a small limited pad to try and land on and not just going for a short distance on a full landing strip.

[@timh9416]

With a 40kt headwind, you can land on any static spot.

[@charlesmartin1121]

I was going to say the same thing.

[@TheBrennan90]

Could land Mike's Cub rolling backwards with that wind

[@realulli]

Not on that helipad. With 40 kts of wind, they'd have had so much turbulence (rotors etc) that landing would have been impossible.

[@JordanHourGlassDJ]

@Trent Palmer -> Hey bro, see if you can get in touch with Dan Mitchell, the president of the Reno Radio Control Club. I'm sure you could work something out with him and try this on an asphalt runway! Keep the blue side up & stay safe!

[@Jack-ne8vm]

Cool drone footage at the end!

[@charlesmartin1121]

It's like with Alex Honnold. I bet a number of good stol pilots could take off and land in the same distance as Luke did. The key question is would they be willing to risk the consequences of doing it 600 feet off the ground on a circular helipad?

[@patheddles4004]

And that's very much why they had to modify the plane so much, to allow reasonable safety margins. They didn't have to stick the first attempt, but every attempt from the first one at least had to be a safe go-around or touch-and-go. Offhand it took 70-odd attempts before they stuck one, and hell yeah that's impressive.

[@charlesmartin1121]

@@patheddles4004 Definitely impressive. Again the reason this achievement was really noteworthy was the danger factor. If the same length to land and takeoff were drawn on a dirt road, like Trent did, a number of his fellow Cowboys could stick it. But include the risk of possibly dying, and those willing to do it drops away steeply. Just like a lot of nonclimbers think Alex Honnold is the best climber in the world, but he isn't (though he is very good). What sets Alex apart is the willingness and mental strength to climb really difficult big walls with no protection against a fall.

[@philipsmith1990]

Of course the stunt had the advantage of having 600' of air underneath the pad, so as long as there was enough airspeed to give control authority to get the nose down after going over the edge then ok. That would make the take off pretty safe and in fact that is exactly how the take off was flown in the stunt.. Landing would be different. If you just failed to stop in time, and even if the tail wasn't damaged going over the edge, the airspeed would be very low. Would 600' be enough to regain control and flying speed? That would be an interesting experiment as well.

[@tomaszbrzeczyszczykiewicz4082]

The landing in Dubai was made by my fellow countryman, Lukas Czepiela.

[@mr.mastor]

Mike Patey made a carbon fiber slider so that if Luke came up a little bit short, nothing would happened. Mike also added stronger bracing at the tail wheel to support the extra load of an impact.

[@theresacaron4238]

I wonder how many Stoll competitors will install a fuel tank in their baggage compartment on their next competition run to allow harder braking.

[@Bill-NM]

What was the Red Bull headwind component? Also, Trent, the density altitude thing - is that 12 percent for each thousand feet and then 12 percent of THAT number for the second thousand? Anyway if so, that would mean 57 percent instead of 48 percent for 4000 feet.

[@Mi-ck]

Compounding percentage. Came here to say the same thing.

[@mycosys]

I seriously wish you hadnt completely given away you were about to nail the landing with the climactic music.

[@iffykidmn8170]

A circle so 80' at its longest point, anything left or right of a perfect center line would shorten the available length.

[@jimsandoval7633]

You just proved how difficult it was what Luke and Patey accomplished. Had Luke landed 1 foot before he did, and touch the border of the helipad, it would of had been disaster. 7 knots wind hitting that building is not easy to handle. I agree with the comment, similar to what you did but 1000% more complex. Because they made it look so easy, shows how professional they are. I believe that like you, we should all try the Red Bull challenge and see what numbers we get. Let's see more videos of the Red Bull challenge and even if we are not even close, lets post what we can do... Vans, Highlanders, Kitfoxes, Zenith...

[@ronaldluning4010]

Seems like it would have been a piece of cake for that Henry dude with his 300hp highlander to land on the heli pad. Watched your last video, you made a comment about an engine out over the ocean, in that scenario why not make a steeper approach or land long to maintain a higher altitude.

[@Joe_Zajac]

I’d like to see Trent and Mike Patey create something together. Mike’s work on the Dubai helipad landing (and takeoff with nitro) made that an acceptable risk. I don’t think they would have tried it without his mods.

[@Zalaniar]

I absolutely love that you highlighted the safety aspect of it while still also showcasing the fun aspects. Masterfully done!

[@danblumel]

The air in Dubai is denser down at sea level, making it easier, they had a 5-7 kt headwind and similarly cool temps to your situation.

[@skyepilotte11]

Very nice Trent...

[@MegaDargar]

Don't even know why people would ask this question. Mike patey built a specialized plane, chasing grams and ounces to get it as light as possible. Your plane is just too heavy. Simple as that.

[@АндрейЮрьевич-з7х]

Aerodynamics is not only about weight. Underweight is a key word to google 😁

[@MegaDargar]

@@АндрейЮрьевич-з7хI never mentioned aerodynamics. weight is key when taking off in such a short distance that was required for taking off from a helicopter pad. Mike patey added more power, stripped lots of weight, and moved weight lower in the plane for a lower center of gravity. Like for example removed the fuel tanks from the wings, and replaced it with a central tank in the tail. So it could have a increased braking power without flipping onto its nose.

[@nvrmor023]

​@@MegaDargar Except he didn't take off he did a controlled fall off. Why bother putting nitrous if not gonna use it!

[@mars7786]

Ypu see cleetus got a carbon cub get him out to do some cool stuff

[@Azframer]

For your song, Molly Hatchet, Flirtin with Disaster.

[@RPSchonherr]

I think the RedBull plane also had a strong head wind to land into.

[@RPSchonherr]

Also landing on the building they could come in low and lose speed regaining altitude.

[@BeechSportBill]

4-6 kts

[@MichaelSteeves]

7 kts during the actual landing according to Mike Patey

[@jamesdean2185]

Being a round runway, they were always going to be able to land directly into the wind.

[@luke_atthat]

@@RPSchonherr I tried that approach on FS2020, to get up from below and fall on the pad... but it takes so much ccordination, that I could not succeed ! And it was a simulation... I like to see I was not the only person thinking about that, thanks

[@NorthernChev]

There’s nothing to loose from trying at that altitude above ground.

[@mmcowan]

Thanks for doing this! It really helps put into perspective what Luke, Mike and the Red Bull team truly accomplished.

[@Cubonaut875]

Just awesome!!!! THANK YOU!! I bought Harry's razors - now I need to buy AG1 Keep those videos coming!! Hope you are at Oshkosh!!

[@beetlebailey]

I think he had a 50-80 mph headwind to help slow him down and then maybe they speed ramped up the video

[@troymaiden7274]

The pilot from Red Bull-WOW. Trent for attempting this - Thankyou. Great video - love your content and enthusiasm! Fly safe✌️👍

[@realulli]

Caveat: stopped at 3:29, maybe you correct the mistake later in the video. You made a slight mistake with the runway length calculation. The 12% get added every 1000 feet, but it's not 12% of the first 1000 feet times 4, it's "gain 1000 feet, add 12%, gain another 1000 feet, add another 12%, repeat... So, instead of calculating 80 ft * 1.48 = 118.4, you should have calculated 80 ft * 1.12^4 = 125.9 ft. Should make it a little easier. :-)

[@GaryLaaks1]

I am typing this 1 minute 40 into your video. Two things to consider here - Ground effect and wind speed. I would think that high up above the ocean, the wind must be constant and stable. I figure you just hang around and wait for a nice strong wind in a favorable direction and you attempt it. I think they said 27 metres diameter. He landed in 20m. Not to take anything away from the Red Bull boys. That was seriously impressive.

[@beetlebailey]

Need a secondary audio recording device for when the camera dies..

[@CapablePimento]

Ive always loved Red Bulls commitment to weird motorsports. The large expense of a RB is partially a ticket purchase the way I look at it

[@colinkobel2868]

Great comparison Trent! Even though there was vast differences between planes, you were right in there. Fun to watch!

[@rcairhead]

remember he had a seven not head one also. when I first got my Microsoft flight sim. me and a friend who flies for Horizon Airlines he and i landed carbon Cubs on the same helipad in Dubai. but it was still a simulator. Don glider guy.

[@goatflieg]

Yeah, Luke had pressure for sure, but I think it was probably mostly internal. The entire team, from the top to the bottom, strongly stressed that safety was the very highest priority by a large margin. I doubt there would have been a lot of blame placed if Luke decided it couldn't be done. IMHO saying no and showing true wisdom would have been much better than having a more cavalier pilot accept too high of a risk.

[@HighTowerAU]

Hold my Beer, logging in to Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 as we speak, already have the Freedom Fox......

[@leatherwoodjay]

Now put a 40mph headwind into your equation.....they could easily have that up that high.....just sayin....

[@MrMrsedz]

Time to add a 50 >75 Shot of Laughing gas [ NOS ] into that little beastie of your's Trent ...C'mon you know you want to ... greetings from Australia ...

[@UncleKennysPlace]

I landed in a steady, straight-down-the-pipe 40-kt wind at ground level, prolly had to add power after 100 feet of rollout just to get to the numbers. That kind of scenario would certainly help landing on a helipad!

[@leahholland6272]

Yes a super strong headwind will help.... I remember landing at YYJ and definitely needing to add power on final/ landing for the super strong headwind.

[@christopherestrada8576]

Foolhardy not impressive. What’s the stall speed on that Red Bull aircraft, like 2 pixie giggles? Helicopters beat the air into submission, Bush planes use aerodynamic “buoyancy”. It probably lifts off when a big guy walking by rips one. Add to the whole stunt the literal built in altitude… not being a blowhard just realistic. Carrier pilots do this everyday, only in machines that weigh magnitudes more and are blasting along much faster. Oh and the building is ducking and weaving and it’s covered with your fellow servicemen. But it’s entertainment, so have fun and stay safe!

[@johnmarkgatti3324]

skills Trent !, you are up against a top stunt pilot,who does it for a living , even Mike was seriously impressed at his pin point landing , black marks on the 2 ft wide white perimeter line . Apples Plus, they had the absolute optimum wind window, 7-8 knots on the nose ,[up there if you had 15 on the nose be equiv ?] , mike was praying for !? . The real story is , mike P, in his spare,spare time ,modified a carbon cub to do what no one else had done yet , belly fuel tanks are the go [ so logical now ], will the next be mid mount engines and drive shafts like the Buggati blue ?, and of course the Patey special double fowlers . 230 HP in a stripped out sub 900 Lb probably helped get off too ...

[@Mongo63a]

Ah but you had ground effect coming in so you could be slower where as the pad had no ground effect coming in.

[@aarondavenport9488]

Hey Trent! Awesome shot at an Epic stunt by Red Bull, Mike Patey, and Luke Czepiela. I think you may have gotten closer than you think tho. Don't forget Mike said they needed a steady 6-7 knots headwind to greenlight the landing. What was the wind like on your trial here?

[@mohammadrpirayesh4170]

Thanks for making this video it gives us more perspective what a awesome job Mike and team did in Dubai

[@CowboyCree63]

In the ballpark with cubs in STOL? Dude, I remember not that long ago, you were #1 at High Sierra, the ONLY plane that could beat you was Draco, and only because it can reverse thrust...

[@jaydunphy4241]

Great Job Freedom Fox Flyer Landing on the Pad would be a cake walk for you. Watch how a Sparrow lands on a fence post. They come in below the post. Then bleed a tremendous amount of energy as they fly upward onto the top of the post. Feels like doing an up hill landing, because your energy dissipates so fast on the landing roll. Hope you picked up on what I put down. P.S. I Dig shaving with a Harries Blade. Peace Out

[@FormerlyMoe]

Long time viewer. You often bring rare truths, and most importantly, the core concepts of fly right or die. Yours was a deeply beautiful achievement; extremely impressive flying skills, and a stunning outcome. There was a very dark flaw: You deservedly credit the heroically brilliant pilot and, pointedly, the deep-pocketed advertiser, and forget to give due credit to the engineer that made it possible, and not suicidal - Mike Patey! Would you bet your life on anything less than that level of brilliant engineering? He is not without flaws, but who else would you trust your life with for such a stunt? You are notable for bringing brains to safety and beautiful aviation. Do unto others... Brian Sherlock

[@SoloRenegade]

I've seen carbon cubs takeoff backwards (negative takeoff distance), and land vertically (0ft). Just need wind.

[@wakaaviationmedia2825]

Great video! Just realized there was one factor that you forgot to mention that benefited you..... You had the bonus of ground effect, allowing you to fly slower coming in for the landing. Luke didn't have that till he reached the helipad. Just a quick observation!

[@mp-xt2rg]

I can assure you that I can for sure not make that landing work. The 172 bug smasher is lucky to be stopped in 600ft. She's a reliable old turkey though.

[@aussiebloke609]

I believe the record for a STOL landing is 9' 5" - obviously, conditions have to be in your favour for this to happen, but it means that landing in an 80' helipad is certainly feasible in the right aircraft.

[@heatonjd]

Trent, Cleetus McFarland just picked up a Carbon Cub, you should invite him out to the next STOL competition and do a collab!

[@phantumdrummer]

The real question here is what was their headwind during landing? As it doesn't matter if you can land in that length, but what is your relative speed in relation to your headwind. If you have enough headwind on your nose you can literally land going backwards. Say if your landing speed is 35 mph and you have a 45 mph headwind you will be going -10 mph at landing. You will literally land going backwards. Now if you match your landing speed and headwind speed you can literally land in a hover. It has nothing to do with your calculated landing distance, but your relative speed in relation to your headwind speed.

[@Thinkflite]

What this doe prove however is if trent was ever in the market for a 150ft boat... he could build the first privately owned aircraft carrier 😁

[@kenmeyer100]

There are STOL competitions. Why didn't Red Bull ask a champion to do the stunt. Would have made much more sense to me than getting a pilot unexperienced in STOL flying to start from scratch

[@Jason-Black]

That was a great video! Really fun to watch. I liked that you talked about the consequences of the actual stunt...so much more to it than landing short.

[@mikeprodanov6765]

Good job Trent.... they got nothing on you... You were on soft surface..... not hard heli pad! Great job, bud!

[@deanmiles3505]

Hi Trent, I enjoyed the ending footage with the music. It looked like a peaceful flight. You can now say if you ever had an engine out with nothing but trees in sight, you could put it into someone's back yard. May there never be a need to do so. That was an incredible Red Bull video. You both have some serious skills. Take care, Be safe.

[@jtreminger]

You forgot to take into account the head wind Red Bull had at the moment of landing. I believe they had a 7 knot wind. nice work!

[@jessefpv9217]

Come on man.. AG1 is Good For You…, But It’s Nowhere Close too Good Dude…. I don’t see how you said That with a Strait Face lol..

[@thecalloftheroad]

@1:33 NOW I know where those hand prints come from in the MSFS 42 FreedomFox/Kitfox model 😆

[@MaartenOosterbaan]

Think you're getting close enough if adjusted for the modifications. The mods may look small but they were significant.

[@imontime77]

I like landing in the volcano bowls in microsoft flight sim. Taking back off is just as fun. Didn't redbull have a 7 knot headwind?

[@jaycooper2812]

The red bull cub also has a 100 shot of nitrous to be able to take off from the helipad.

[@badmoonrisen]

Cletus McFarland just got him a carbon cub with help from Mike, he's looking for some content y'all should link up and show him the mountains

[@jerrymiller276]

Yah, man, there's a good deal of difference between theory and practice. That was so cool and I think you could actually do it if your testicular fortitude was big and brassy enough. But oh, those consequences for screwing the pooch.

[@BeechSportBill]

Mike pit a sturdy carbon skid under the RB plane to protect the tail wheel

[@BlazinRiver1]

Does ground effect have any bearing? It seems you could drag your tail even more since there wouldn't be anything to drag it on where the stunt was done. haha

[@MultiBigDenis]

judging by the video, the plane, when landing on the helipad, had an extremely rear centering, which helped it to parachute and approach the helipad at extremely low speed, thereby reducing landing mileage, and you didn’t take into account that the takeoff from the helipad was essentially a controlled fall and during the takeoff from the site the speed was still low and it was just an undermining of the plane and a dive down from the site, the dive on which the plane picked up speed, but you won’t succeed do it on level ground... but nevertheless you can be congratulated in my opinion, you quite succeeded in your plan ...

[@NCFREEMAN]

Great job Trent! FYI youtube isn't notifying me on your videos! Thanks for your content!

[@1243android]

I tried this in the freedom fox in Microsoft flight sim just last week and crashed on the helipad approximately 3547 times lol

[@patchmack4469]

and . . . and . . . and, won't you need a weight in the tail to keep the rear end down when braking, c.of.g shift, stop that noise converter and egg whisk from touching the ground? yep you mentioned wing tanks great test comparison, so take all into consideration, with the mods that M.Patey made, very easily possible