Could *Lee Haney* Have Made It 9 Titles In 1992?

[@a.f.s.3004]

Haney doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

[@markyates9712]

But he probably did compete in the weakest era of bodybuilders no disrespect to him. And when Dorian cane along it’s not a coincidence he retired he was a wise man he could probably see the writing on the wall

[@call99P]

@@markyates9712 Phil Heath competed in the weakest era.

[@markyates9712]

Filippo debatable I feel they’re bigger names now than the people lee Haney competed against

[@markyates9712]

@Spectacular Spectacular that’s a true point but still I don’t think he would of reigned over Dorian he may had won 1 more

[@johnhumble4240]

@@markyates9712 wrong Lee’s and his wife Shirley had you f children then. It took all his time up being Mr. Olympia and they wanted to be more involved as a family, etc.... It doesn’t matter , Lee would’ve still kept winning had he competed He was that dominating Lee retired when he wanted to . Not because he thought he wound Lose !

[@scotpak100]

Important to consider that Dorian himself stated that he over-dieted and came in shredded in 92 as he knew Haney wasnt competing and he was more worried about smaller guys like Labrada and Shawn Ray.

[@juliohernandez3323]

Yes. Likely Dorian would have showed up bigger if Lee was still around in '92.

[@jolee2433]

Yeah but Lee Haney would've came in gigantic

[@dj_m19]

@@jolee2433 based on what? he knew Yates was coming in '91 and still lost in the muscularity round (8 mandatory poses, this entire video basically). an improved Yates from '92 would've beaten him even easier.

[@jolee2433]

@@dj_m19 the year the olympia was drug tested set haney back a year. his receptors were fresh though. he could have come in 260 in 93. you think if haney stuck around he wouldnt have brought up his weak points? haney has better shape

[@dj_m19]

@@jolee2433 yeah because he had infinite potential, right? Add mass until he's 400 pounds, right? You clearly don't understand that there's people who hit their prime early, people like Haney, Arnold, Lee Priest and then barely change over the years and people who hit their prime late (Yates, Coleman, Heath) who develop their bodies when they are already in their mid 30s. Age isn't the only factor here, you are foolish for thinking that just because he was so young, that meant Haney could've kept improving and improving to infinity

[@mikthe2004]

Lee was huge AND aesthetic. He would have won 9 easily. Now '93 is a different story!!

[@2Chronicles714_]

Remember Dorian had only been training for 8 years in 1991 and beat Haney at his best ever shape in the in muscularity round. Dorian would have ended Haneys reign in 1992

[@mikthe2004]

@@2Chronicles714_ Dorian looked much the same in '92 as in '91. '93 he was way bigger and better. I'd say that Lee would still have won in '92, especially in that era where defending champs seemed to win almost by default??

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@mikthe2004 Dorian did improve in 1992 from 1991 his pecs while still weak were better his back also improved. Dorian beating a best ever Lee in the muscularity round with only 8 years of training was incredible. Many were stunned he beat Arnold's 7 Olympias. If Haney would have came in any of his other years condition Dorian would have won. Was really hoping there was going to be a rematch in 1992

[@mikthe2004]

@@2Chronicles714_ Why do you keep saying "only 8 years of training?" That's a pretty long time. And do you mean 8 years of serious training? Dorian says he started messing around with weights in his teen years, so in actual fact it was more than 8 years. I consider his 1993 version the Greatest Mr Olympia ever.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@mikthe2004 In the magazines and I've also heard him say he only started weights the year before Haney won his first Olympia I think Yates best was 6 weeks before 1993 and at the 1996 Grand Prix.

[@lazur1]

8 Sandows, no injuries, no losses as Mr O=GOAT.

[@Nirsterkur]

Defeating Labrada and Gaspari? Coleman defeated the likes of Flex, Kevin, Shawn, Nassar, Markus, Jay, Dexter, Chris to name a few...

[@lazur1]

@@NirsterkurChampions do whatever's needed to beat the competition. All Haney needs here is to beat Yates in '92, as he did in '91. Third parties are irrelevant.

[@Nirsterkur]

@@lazur1 That alone is not sufficient to be the GOAT. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Redemption203]

@@Nirsterkur but none of those guys were mr O except Jay and Haney beat a 6 time mr O

[@Nirsterkur]

@@Redemption203 During any other era, they were Mr. O worthy. Btw Dexter was Mr. O 2008.

[@alejandrorolon414]

Haney has the perfect body IMO, untouchable, big, aesthetic, ripped.

[@grayadam]

Arms and legs sub-par, abs are awful, and the big bellybutton doesn't help.

[@alejandrorolon414]

@@grayadam which one would you rate higher?

[@leart78]

big frame, small arms.. he looked like shit for my opinion. yes he had great condtiotion

[@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341]

Perfect body? Bob Paris wants to know your location.

[@sergejmaher144]

@@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341 hello who the fuck is bob paris huh, 8 sandows buddy

[@konev13thebeast]

Haney had one of the best front doubles imo. The small waist with the wide lats, and the width of his arms compared to his hips is insane

[@powerofme7144]

Yeah I was amazed Max said he wasn’t impressed with either. Haney all the way on that one. I remember his FLS wearing blue jeans. Amazing

[@tmlogan139]

Agreed. Don't know what this dude is talking about. That second pic was epic. He looked phenomenal.

[@mick998r]

Absolutely Lee would have taken his 9th. Lee's structure to begin with, nevermind his extra muscle him.

[@markheywood8236]

Nah, extra muscle in the pecs only. Dorian had more mass in every other muscle group.

[@xaviervega468]

@Rob K. Not until 93. 92 Yates was still smaller.

[@dj_m19]

@@xaviervega468 92 Yates was 242 pounds while shorter and more conditioned (in 1992). Regardless, he still beat Haney in the mandatory poses while being 10 pounds smaller and less conditioned so go figure what would've happened in '92.

[@AndrewHeffernan]

Multiple O-winners like Arnold, Haney, Dorian, and Ronnie set the tone for their era. During each one’s reign, their physiques became the standard by which everyone else was judged. Haney was the apotheosis of the late-70s early 80’s look: exceptional structure, aesthetics, and presentation with lots of size and good conditioning. Dorian was the ideal of the 90’s: crazy mass, crazy hardness, with structure, aesthetics, and presentation taking a clear back seat. I’d wager if Haney and Dorian had clashed in ‘92, Haney’s reign would have continued an additional year before the Dorian look-and the mass monsters-took over the O. After Dorian won, the Arnold Classic went to the guys-like Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone-who in a previous era would have won the Mr. O.

[@robk5745]

I love Dorian but I feel Haney is truly complete, he looked amazing. Never was the biggest but you can argue the best looking package ever. Ronnie just took a similar body and made it huuuuuge

[@michaelschlageter8381]

He was the biggest in the 80ths.

[@dj_m19]

Complete? Smaller Arms than Yates' and no legs

[@hannessonnenschein360]

@@dj_m19 no legs 🤣🤣🤣 good one

[@dj_m19]

@@hannessonnenschein360 Haney's legs were a big flaw of his and the main criticism he received. Only a delusional zoomer like yourself that only knows Haney from KZbin comparisons would despute that. Yates in '91 weighed less than Haney yet his legs were literally 1.5 times bigger

[@hannessonnenschein360]

@@dj_m19 calm down bro. I have watched several posing routines of him and came to the conclusion that he had great legs in some Poses and that its mostly about how badly he displays his legs, especially from the back. Saying "no legs" on a 8 × Mr. O is just a clown move dude

[@RonDaSantis]

WTF are you looking at with the front double bicep pose?! Lee Haney SMOKES Dorian in that pose. Not even close!

[@Mat-ql8vf]

Lee Haney retired at 32 years old. Imagine he would have kept competing into his mid 30s. Retired right before his prime.

[@dingo4010]

He is only 2 years older than Dorian. Definitely could have gone longer if he wanted. He's probably better off now though considering he retired right before it became all about size at any cost.

[@markyates9712]

Mat I think he was 31

[@mvyper]

Maybe he had some health issues and was better off retiring early.

[@Pulsonar]

@@mvyper Exactly, good spot. Nobody has mentioned medical matters and health concerns. It’s a strange irony in a sport that js meant to improve health, yet is anything but in the Pro game. Everyone harping on about ‘what if Haney took HGH, insulin etc…’ yet few stopping to consider a medical problem, family medical history, a recently discovered issue, genetic related etc…

[@jackybidault3867]

Arnold AT 28

[@jasmaart]

The chests size difference between them is huge, I mean Lee really had one of the best pecs ever!

[@fender1000100]

Not really Haney has droopy pecs. Dorian chiselled square pecs.

[@xaviervega468]

@@fender1000100 Yates's pecs were small and attached high on his rib cage. Small pecs on a giant ribcage is not a good look. Haney had the rib cage and the pecs to match.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Look at Haney's side chest next to Bertil Fox in 1983. Fox makes Haney look small not just in the chest also Fox's massive arms. Looks like a pro next to an amateur

[@dj_m19]

@@2Chronicles714_ Wasn't Haney like 22 at the time, nowhere near his prime?

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@dj_m19 Haney was 31 at his last Olympia Dorian was 29 in his first Olympia with Lee

[@marxmaxmuscle1]

0:10 I meant to say 5 time, sorry guys.

[@xanthromera]

Haney had vastly superior structure.

[@andersistbesser]

I dont see it

[@xanthromera]

@@andersistbesser Smaller waist and broader shoulders. Natural V shape.

[@leart78]

xanthromera V-shape compared to Dorian? haha

[@xanthromera]

@@leart78 You can't be that blind. Haney has a greater shoulder to waist differential. Yates has a naturally narrow shoulder girdle. As far as the waist goes, look at any photo of Lee Haney and then compare his to Yates. Yates ushered in the bloated gut era from '94 - '95 onwards.

[@ImYourHuckleberry_29]

Of course

[@DanielReyes-zu8em]

If Haney had continued to compete for a few more years, I don't think Dorian could've beat him. Haney is superior in every way. Haney could've had 10 Olympias if he went for it...

[@illwitness]

1993 Dorian is a game changer. 1995 Dorian is another level up.

[@sleepyzebras_]

Definitely Haney. His physique + waist to shoulder ratio is second to none. Considering the preference back in that time, the judges would definitely be going for a physique like his.

[@call99P]

Lee Haney's best version, was always his last version. So He might have had a solid chance to beat Dorian, especially if You consider that Lee usually trained light to avoid injuries, his body didn't need to overdo things, also since 93 Dorian had to deal with serious injuries. From 93 and so on, Lee would have been forced to use GH and insuline as Dorian though. In terms of single muscles, Lee's pecs and biceps are bigger and fuller, and despite the fact Dorian was a little bit crispier and with slighty wider lats and slighty bigger calves, that is still not enough to beat a gigantic and aesthetic phenomenon like Lee. So in my opinion, Haney might have had a chance to beat Dorian in 92, He never stopped getting better and better, but from 93 We can't know It since GH and insuline completely transormed Dorian's body...

[@levanmuradashvili2769]

Dorian didnt use insulin til 96-97 genius. And we cannot know weather Lee used hgh or not

[@jacobbrassard2776]

Lee could of gotten alot bigger

[@call99P]

@@levanmuradashvili2769 If you think Haney used gh, then You clearly have no clue what you're talking about 🤣

[@call99P]

@TheLusianPopa "Dorian's biceps were big or even bigger" Are u blind or insane? He injured and tore his bicep!! And why are you talking about a "young Dorian" when in 91 Dorian lost to Haney which had way bigger pecs, legs (Dorian couldn't even squat guess why? Cuz of fkn old injuries). Your "prime" Dorian is a fully injuried Dorian. A distended gut Dorian. A big waist Dorian. So as I already wrote, Haney never went all in, He never used gh / insuline, He never suffered from big injuries, He never showed huge weaknesses in what was Dorian's strongest part: the back, specially in terms of mass and details. Dorian had a lower attachment, but Haney had wider shoulders in terms of bone structure which made his front lat spread very wide aswell (which is the same strong point of Shawn Rhoden)

[@levanmuradashvili2769]

@@call99P hgh has been used from the late 80s and maybe even earlier. There is no statement that Haney didnt use it too. And this isnt a matter of having a clue. No matter Haney used hgh or not, he couldnt beat Late Dorian. You look like stupid Haney fanboy

[@farazalikhan5242]

Haney wasn't the most muscular, neither most asthetic He was the perfect combination of both ❤️ And he retired at the age of 31 If he had competed for few more years, he could have achieved muscle maturity

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

Lee haney has an awesome front double bicep

[@ericbutton222]

Yes indeed he has. Because of his incredible v shape!

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

@@ericbutton222 yup I agree incredible torso respectable legs and good arms

[@ericbutton222]

@@iambodybuildingyt221 yes sir I think he was a great champion. And if you ask me he was bigger and better and more athletic and more symmetrical then Yates. If you see them standing next to each other from the front, relaxed, you can clearly see that Haney s torso is twice as thick and wide then Yateses. Makes Dorian look like a light heavyweight or something

[@ericbutton222]

Yates, who is in my book the most overrated Mr olympia of all times, next to Chris D.

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

@@ericbutton222 well he was good and one of the greatest of all time on the basis of mass, back, calves, and conditioning. But had many weak points in his physique and his presentation. He was never the greatest poser and never had very good upper arms and had a mediocre chest

[@RustyTreeMan]

Dorian was 5 pounds heavier and in better condition, he wins actually, and he stated he deliberately over dieted to compete with the smaller guys after Haney retired. He would have come in 5-10 pounds heavier if Haney did compete in 1992, he would have won convincingly, despite Haneys no doubt tremendous shape.

[@lazur1]

Let's transfer Dorian's 1st Sandow over to Lee for his 9th.

[@RM-306]

Im talking down town! Mark is hilarious. Best bodybuilding channel on youtube!

[@88KUNGFUMAN]

Absolutely! Haney came in at 259 lbs in 1989! Imagine if he came in at that weight with his 1984 and 1991 conditioning? In fact..if Haney came in at 259 and shredeed to the bone..I think He'd have beaten Dorian in 1993 too!

[@levanmuradashvili2769]

Lol

[@88KUNGFUMAN]

@TheLusianPopa -they weighed him 3 days before the show and he was carb depleted. And he gained fullness by the time he stepped on the stage. Yes, he was (more than 248) in more than one show. He was 259 pounds in 1989(prob about 4-5 lbs too smooth). Had he trained like a maniac..I'm confident he could have showed up on stage at 260 ripped to his eyeballs...

[@88KUNGFUMAN]

@Pro life only -Dorian himself said that Haney was better in 91. That should tell you something.

[@levanmuradashvili2769]

@@88KUNGFUMAN yeah, he could be 280 onstage, and even 290 if he wanted :d

[@88KUNGFUMAN]

@@levanmuradashvili2769 --I don't know if that was necessary. My point is..if Dorian could have made such a big leap in progress from 92 to 93..then so could Haney!

[@Minivanmusician]

Love Lee but Dorian won calves, hams, glutes, Xmas tree, back definition, obliques, ab condition and triceps as well as forearms. I prefer aesthetics but Yates wins here

[@Minivanmusician]

And quads

[@XPGamer95]

I think, if Haney chose to do 92 Olympia he would've lost to Dorian. Dorian is a logical Guy. he said he used to analyse his Competitors n theirs physiques. He said in some interview lee labrada, shawn ray n vince taylor was his competition for 92 Olympia. they're much smaller than him but they could be in better condition n haney was retired at that point so No point in playing the Size game so he chose to come in light weight with equal or Better condition than his Competitors.

[@chrisballard5743]

I disagree. Haney said specifically he said 91 was his best overall package, because he just was starting to learn his body. With that said,there is no reason to believe he couldn't have brought in an even better package in 92.

[@kingjacko302]

Chris Ballard imagine not figuring your body out until you had won 7 Olympias

[@andersistbesser]

Chris Ballard his hams and as where smooth even in 1991

[@ericbutton222]

@@chrisballard5743 hany s chest was twice as thick as yatesesq

[@noobyoverlord]

Glad he doesn't compare pecs like 3:30 anymore

[@farazalikhan5242]

Haney had the most balance of asthetic with size 250lbs with that physique ❤️

[@thejmc4074]

I would never doubt Lee Haney. The man was very complete. Dorian came in and changed the game, and he gets his due respect. Lee does not get his due respect. The man won 8 in a row and was never off. He is also an incredible ambassador for the sport. That said, Lee over Dorian all day.

[@chrisa4882]

Lee Haney made good gains in size especially his back between 1991 and 1992 Olympia's. Which proves he still had plenty left in the tank. I believe if Lee did the 92 Olympia he would have made the improvements necessary to hold off Dorian. Lee was genetically put together far better than Dorian, and Lee's 32 inch waist and huge back gave the illusion of being super wide. Dorian likes to tell people that in 1993 his improvements were down to not over dieting. But obviously this is nonsense. These gains were the result of insulin usage. We saw it with Nasser in 97 and with Flex Wheeler in 99. And obviously it was insulin usage that propelled Ronnie to Mr Olympia from literally nowhere. Whenever a seasoned pro suddenly makes massive gains after being on gear many year's it's usually down to insulin.

[@lazur1]

9:30 That V-shape..that's bodybuilding at its finest.

[@theraspful]

Dorians left arm always looked like a accident waiting to happen. His left arm seemed shorter than the right,weird

[@anj2099]

Back in the day the rumours were the weirders were looking for another type of champion, and Lee knew his days were numbered. So he decided to retire as champ. Lee Haney is the premiere Mr Olympia in my personal opinion.

[@misternatural1338]

Its true. Lee was worried bcoz he was contracted to another federation i think and thought he would loose here bcoz of it

[@robitaillecopeland1996]

Stop

[@lazur1]

All credit to Lee for filling out his arms as much as he did. They're noticeably longer than Dorian's. Longer arms are harder to fill out...unless you're Sergio:^) If Lee could put another inch on them while staying in condition, lights-out.

[@ImYourHuckleberry_29]

Agreed but yates has long limbed arms as well that's y his biceps weren't good

[@qwikscopez6619]

The 3 consecutive Mr Olympia's had long arms, Ronnie filled his out tho tbf

[@qwikscopez6619]

There's also something to be said that, maybe smaller arms just is what looks best against a torso? Like Haney Vs lee priest?

[@lazur1]

@@qwikscopez6619 Indeed. Front lat spread can be covered-up by big arms.

[@TheBladerunner1975]

if dorian knew haney would be in it no way he would of over dieted

[@christian_urocar]

Yes he would have captured his 9th

[@maximusaralieous1728]

I think had Haney trained to go against Dorian, he probably could have won 92. Haney wasn't fading from age, he was 30 or 31 when he won his last Olympia. That's basically prime years for current bodybuilders. As for 93, I'm not sure. Haney clearly had the genetics to achieve whatever he wanted, but he wasn't interested in training that hard to look like that and said himself he didn't want to train himself into injuries. You can see by his successors, Ronnie and Dorian, that it comes with a big price. Training, and gear, has come a long way since the 90's, but back then, it was all about lifting as big and heavy as you could.

[@probitionate]

Battle of the Undersized Arms Sandow Winners. (Love them both, for what it's worth.) P.S. Haney was the last of the traditional 'Y-shaped' physique Mr. Os. From Dorian on, we migrated into the X-shaped physique era. But even Haney's legs had begun the shift from Arnold. N.B. No, I'm not saying that anyone's legs are shit. Merely that the standards have changed. If you want to see how much, maybe MMM can compare Steve Reeves with Big Ramy.

[@brankodimitrijevic382]

MAx is a Dorian fan we get it.

[@philcartier994]

"Freshen your drink Governor, pickle juice, bok ,bok,bok," hilarious AF. I love it !

[@JerryRiceBall]

Haney won the RDB all day. Not even close.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Haney in 1992 he would have taken a win. But regardless, he rose to beat Yates in 1991 and that was enough.

[@faizanwar7507]

the greatest British accent ever xD

[@bobbarlow114]

Haney is unbeatable, he is like a statue, Dorian begins the era of monsters and mass aberrations. I saw them both up close in their prime, Haney was perfect !!!

[@KhemBMD]

Dorian probably has my fav side tricep pose of all time

[@dylprez]

I found your channel only two days ago and you are already my favorite bodybuilding KZbin channel

[@st-icon1936]

Lee is the most underrated most olympia winning athlete

[@peterjohnson8935]

Yates has no v taper in the rear double biceps. And no biceps in front double biceps. And he needs bigger bosoms. Lol

[@FlamingChickenTA]

You said Haney is weak in front double bi lmfao yeah okay

[@Geckoliga]

I think, yes, Lee had made it in '92. On the other hand: I saw Lee several times guestposing and I met Dorian '92 at the german profi grand prix in Duisburg. I' ve never been so shooked by a bodybuilder 😳.

[@eastonriley2754]

This guy is on drugs Haney would ran Yates out the building

[@Pulsonar]

Haney was massive for that era and the last Mr. O with a classic symmetrical physique in my opinion. He saw Yates raise the bar on size and conditioning and start the mass monster era with a whole different ball game of designer steroids, HGH, insulin etc… as well as training philosophy. Haney may have simply called it a day and retired before the ‘92 Olympia because of the health risks involved to match up and defeat a guy who already gave him a run for his money at the ‘91 Olympia even though he was only 31 or 32 years of age. It was a wise decision, as he’s in great natural shape and health for his age now.

[@bobjohnson1633]

Dorian just was not THAT good until 93. Fucking crazy in 93. Lee definitely had a solid chance in 92, but none in 93.

[@Pulsonar]

@@bobjohnson1633 whether it was 92 or 93, Haney and the rest wouldn’t have known exactly when Yates would cast his Shadow over the bodybuilding world. They just knew this relative unknown was bringing something new to the table to lay claim to the Mr O title. Haney was already literally wrestling with Yates on the Olympia stage in ‘91. He gave him a scare that no other Bodybuilder did since ‘84.

[@infiniteflight9553]

Haney was the best IMO... It’s obvious the chemistry experimentation got a little wilder after 1992. Dorian pushed the limits then Ronnie took it to the extreme... Haney was my favorite he made me want to train... Dorian made you say wow that looks crazy beefed up then Ronnie made it comic book like... Dear God Cutler too he is in my top 3...

[@chrissuponcic5181]

You have to take into account Dorian came in smaller in 92 because he knew he was the biggest competitor. Dorian focused on conditioning for 92 knowing he couldn't be out sized

[@dj_m19]

@@TheBladerunner1975 yes but he could've been much bigger. He made similar gains 1991 to 1992 as he did 1992 to 1993, except that he didn't overdiet as much and purposefully decided to come in bigger. I mean look at his conditioning in '92, it was way better than '91, his face looked like a skeletor

[@robitaillecopeland1996]

Yes. He was dwarfing Dorian in some shots and would have won in 1992. Dorian started insulin for 1993 and took a major step and would have beaten him. Then again, maybe Lee takes it as well and has his own massive growth to stay just ahead. I doubt Lee would have though but it’s fun to speculate

[@lazur1]

If Lee gained a few lbs but kept his waist & focused on condition....Neither man has the best front double biceps, but Lee's V wins the day.

[@usposse]

Haney had crazy conditioning I am a big Haney fan personally I think Lee Blew out all competitors his vacuum the lats his legs were a little behind but even they were sliced and diced Lee takes the crown either way Lee with a bit more size on the quads would have won 15 titles

[@allanh5618]

Much as I like Dorian, Lee was the last aesthetic Mr Olympia, imo. Interesting that his back was so competitive but, arguably, Lee's back was decisive in winning his titles, just like Dorian, though Dorian's conditioning + mass combo + overwhelming back set the tone going forward. Even so, imo, Lee was the biggest aesthetic Mr Olympia and his posing was art.

[@SelfRighteousBasterd]

Cool vid, but my belief is that legends should remain in the legendary league, and I think Lee understood this perfectly. I mean he reached Legendary level and it was time to roll credits and take his rightful place in the hall of heroes and let the next legend build it's self to greatness. Forcing it to what ifs and maybe if and perhaps and stuff like that just diminishes the magic of it. I think Lee was spot on to roll credits right on top of the world, blaze of glory and Dorian followed his example and that puts them in a special class. No disrespect for any other bodybuilders, but to my mind, the fact that they knew exactly when to ride into the sunset makes these two legendary gentlemen the best of all time. Just my two cents.

[@starforcefighter]

The reason Dorian came lighter in 1992 is because Lee Haney retired & did not need to be as big. If Lee would have competed again with the same physique from 1991. Dorian would have unleashed his 1993 form one year earlier to match Lee in 1992. Also I talked to Lee Haney in a expo in 2005, asked if he ever considered competing in 1992. He told me that winning the Mr. Olympia was dream come true & said that he never thought he would win consecutive titles for so long. he took competing year by year for each Olympia defense, never thinking about records. He knew the 1991 Olympia would be his last stand & was a family decision with his wife a year prior. Knowing this would be his last Olympia, he conjured all his will & strength to bring his best & heaviest physique at 255 lbs for the 1991 Mr. Olympia contest. Putting so much effort & training in 1991, he no longer had the competed drive & was the final decision to retire.

[@bio-plasmictoad5311]

I'm an Englishman and could not tell the difference with that mimic of the queens english, its exactly how we all talk from the boarders of Scotland to land's end, my sole.

[@88KUNGFUMAN]

Because 1988 was the year I graduated high school so it stands out in my memory more and I have friends who attended the Olympia that year. The weigh-in was helda few days before the show.

[@reginaldreynolds3066]

Man I am really surprised that everyone isn’t saying Dorian was better in the comments made me smile loved Lee Haley’s physique he was a great Champion

[@patrickbrowne4606]

The ‘92 Olympia was in Helsinki, Finland, and I didn’t see it but according to the non weider magazines, Yates physique was basically the same as it was in ‘91, so I believe Haney would’ve won again. I emphasized “non weider” magazines because Muscle and Fitness and Flex (both owned by Joe Weider) had so called “writers” working at their publications who were complete Dorian Yates fanboys. They claimed that Yates had improved SO MUCH since his defeat to Haney at the previous Olympia and that he would have destroyed Haney in Helsinki. But virtually every other bodybuilding magazine at the time wrote that Yates looked basically the same in ‘92 as he did in ‘91.

[@chrisk5204]

Future topic (hopefully it wasn't covered already) - Could Arnold have won more Olympia titles in the 1970's if he hadn't given up bodybuilding before his 1980 comeback?

[@robertopics]

Hee could've only Mike (had he been a good boy) or Frank could've stop him, but Arnold had beaten them before.

[@awakeningtovacuity8372]

Yes Haney could have made it nine.

[@jimmytwotime8004]

You have a great voice, and entertaining.

[@bestdocincanada6620]

Dorian literally has twin basketballs tht he call lats 0:51

[@kenfanner6696]

Lee Haney himself said he saw what was coming and that’s what made him retire

[@88KUNGFUMAN]

Not entirely accurate. Haney also said that after 8 Olympia wins, he had nothing more to prove and who could blame him? He also said that he wanted to put the controversy of the 1990 Olympia behind him and turn up in his best shape ever.

[@selfmade8884]

Lee Haney saw what Dorian was doing and realized that he wasn’t going to destroy his physique and classic lines by pushing the envelope the way Dorian did. Haney was structurally superior to Dorian but Dorians willingness to go further than anybody else is what separated him from the competition.

[@paulphoenix8673]

You fuckin kidding. Where the fuck u got that??? The fact that Haney said that after 8 Olympia wins, he had nothing more to prove. Dorian was never close to Haney and where Dorian tops is in the most controversial wins only.

[@jimmyleeperryjr]

To me, this was the passing of the great transition. My top favorites for pure perfection. There are others. This transition was 😢.

[@edwinsilvacolon4689]

I can imagine Lee Haney at least 3 or 4 weeks before that show....Dorian style...

[@HappyWolverine]

Haney was the GOAT no question Perfect balance of size, symmetry and conditioning not to mention how he was pure class as a person and the ultimate ambassador of the spot to this day

[@capoman1]

6:40 Of course you must appreciate Dorian for mass, he was sick... But even here, the mass wasn't all there yet in 96, but the amount of detail on Dorian in so many places on the back, and the youthful aesthetics that a rising genetic star displays; the judges would be and were correctly in awe.

[@altondunn2667]

I only wish Haney had gone on to win his 9th then maybe he would get the credit he deserves...rarely hear him in a discussion as who is GOAT...but his record indicates that he is in fact the GOAT.

[@kaueleiteantunes6451]

Lee's structure is untouchable. I think if they went head to head in 92 the judges would have probably been given a nod to Haney.

[@sunny6692]

Lee will win just by walking out in a relax position with his wide confident smile. When he hit his front double bicep it will be all over and the rest of the competitors will be chasing for 2nd place. His structure and aesthetic till today nobody can match him. Haney could have won 10 titles easily but he did the right thing to focus on family instead and retire at 31. Nobody will ever match what Lee has achieved. Many bodybuilder still chasing their first Olympia title in their 30s or even 40s

[@him.rico6925]

Haney is underrated. All I see people talk about is chum, Ronnie, jay, Dorian. Etc etc

[@glynkatkin]

Lee Haney reminds me of a stretched out, taller version of Kai Greene, especially in the back and mid-section, with the super low hanging lats, wide ribs and shoulders...Kai's just shorter, and more compact, and has more mass all over (especially legs).

[@justinkrause5924]

great voice you have☺

[@meatimus]

I agree with most of what you said, but the front double bicep of lee is immaculate. Your judging of this pose seems a bit too tunneled on its namesake.

[@ericbutton222]

Lee Haney a front double bi is impressive cuz of his super v shape. It doesn't really matter if his arms are big enough or not

[@PalaceofEternia]

I totally agree, he was able to win his 9 tittle

[@autismwalk6855]

I think Haney would have won in 1992. He likely would have improved by 1992. Note that Haney was only 31 years old when he retired in 1991 from bodybuilding.

[@mastereppsreturns6586]

Dorian 'Freshen Your Drink For You Governor' Yates

[@illwitness]

Hilarious

[@excommunicado9737]

People like to say Lee haney retired because of Dorian ,an would've beaten lee in 92, well cant we say the same for Dorian not returning In 98?..cause he damn sure would've loss to Ronnie in 98

[@longbeachmaumba7059]

Great video! It definitely would've been close.

[@88KUNGFUMAN]

Remember folks..the title of this video is "Could LH have made it 9 titles in 1992"? Marx is asking us..the viewers our opinion and I say yes. You disagree with me? Deal with it! And this scenario is speculatory. Haney did not compete in 1992.

[@barbcoleman7681]

These two are my favorite bodybuilders. I think Dorian would have taken 2nd in 1992. After that I think 93' could have been a toss up. 94 on, Dorian.

[@drago__]

If the two of them walked in like that, Haney would kill him.

[@SM-ez4vf]

I'm surprised at how much thicker Haney's mid and lower back are. Dorian is much more conditioned in the back but it makes for a intersting comparison.

[@marcoscartasable]

3:43 One of the best Chicken 🐔 impersonations I ever heard...😆🥚🥚🥚🥚

[@illusionistMunawarMuzaffar]

Lee is real GOAT. Even better then Ronnie because nothing is acceptable at the cost of injuries

[@214-v4g]

It’s crazy to think Haney could’ve gotten even better and he would have.

[@TheTracepyott]

I got a question for everyone on here. Why is it that guys like Haney and Arnold and other guys from the 70’s and 80’s had thick chests especially from the side. It just seems like their chests were longer for some reason. I know a lot comes to genetics but from what I’ve seen, guys nowadays rarely have those huge chests like guys in the past did. Was there some other exercises or training methods used back then that aren’t used as much today? I dunno guys chests back then just had a totally Different look to them. Why is that??

[@stannjob]

Dorian stated he was as big as in 93 by 92 but he dropped muscle in order to come super shredded, so this is totally hipotetical and unreal, but i was good to see pictures of them side to side with Dorians 92 physique

[@robitaillecopeland1996]

He’s full of shit

[@JohnMcConnach]

I don't know if you have children if you do I bet they love storytime

[@miker5233]

Lee Haney was 31 years old in 1991 his last Olympia he was just hitting his is prime but he was smart he got out before he got injured or anything and he already beat the record

[@cncaliguy09]

Lee Haney was so much wider than Dorian in '91 I doubt Dorian could've caught up in '92. Lee with that small waist exaggerates that width even more. I think it would've been neck to neck, a coin flip in '92. Dorian did improve but who is say Haney wouldn't come in with bigger arms or bigger wheels. The man was 32 when he retired, two years older than Dorian, he was still improving.

[@EdoggCentral]

Dorian cut weight more than he originally planned in '92. If Dorian came in at his planned weight, he would have been much bigger. He would have resembled what he looked like in '93.

[@fender1000100]

Exactly and he would have won.

[@357armen]

Max your humor is awesome it's just like mine haha what about some Gustavo Badell vs any new guy

[@starforcefighter]

Dorian stated this himself, the only reason he was smaller in 1992 was he over-dieted on purpose, because he knew there weren't going to be any big guys that could match him. If Lee Haney would have competed in 1992, he would have come in shape similar like 1993 with mass & conditioning. Lee Haney would have lost.

[@x4thepieaces346]

No contest. Beauty and aesthetics vs. size and bulk should never be compared.