Could Pikkon Solo Majin Buu?

[@SaiyanScholar]

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[@M3rtyville]

Pikkon, Hit and Ledgic are like a trio of that one character Goku was impressed by.

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

whos ledgic

[@M3rtyville]

@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman a character from Dragon Ball GT Episodes 4 and 5.

[@Dr._Doppietta]

Thanks for including us of the Budokai community in your video! :D Amazing work!

[@SaiyanScholar]

Hey thank you so much for letting me use your videos! Will always give you a credit and show your logo in any future works!

[@Dr._Doppietta]

@@SaiyanScholar sure! Just ping me as well in Description next time, so I won't miss it. :D I found out this video by accident, I totally forgot about it. lol

[@SaiyanScholar]

Will do! Haha good find. I'll definitely need your help for a Budokai 1 analysis video!

[@Mrlegins22]

Pikkon used to be my favorite fighter in tenkaichi 3. Him and bardock (my other fav in the game) felt drastically different although everybody played relatively the same. So hyped to play him in sparking!

[@sky-oq5mr]

That was every dbz fighting game. Budokai 3 gave like half the roster the Goku or Vegeta fighting style.

[@Supah_Sayin_Rick]

To be honest, I don't really think they scale up in base form. The reason why I say this is because most of the time, whenever a fighter(s) fights before going SSJ, they are testing out/gaging their opponent(s) (especially Goku). I feel like when they start actually fighting seriously, that's when you should really observe the details. (Not saying that you're wrong or anything, it could very well be the case, I just personally don't see it that way, so I respectfully disagree. I love the content btw, keep it up)

[@IntheL1ght]

I agree with you. Z was way more consistent where super seemed to beef everyone's base forms for some reason. I think their strongest transformation that is sustainable is their true power. Pikkon is probably the only reason Goku became super sayajin 3. I can see them Training together often.

[@Drovagon]

​@@IntheL1ght Adding to your statements, there's a thing called 'max power' in dragon ball. Its when a fighter is powered up to max and not holding back. Transformations do not count as max power because they multiply a characters power level.

[@ragnarok7452]

There are guidebooks which puts Weighted Pikkon above SPC. So whether Cell was suppressed or if he wasn't, he would still be weaker than Pikkon. There are some people though who would go through mental gymnastics, like giving a massive multiplier to burning shoot out of nowhere. Just so they can fit it the same way as we have in manga for Buu Saga.

[@nonope1715]

Re: buus durability - it’s weird, implied he can alter it. He gets pierced by bullets but doesn’t splatter everywhere when Goku and pals beat on him, probably just being written for the scene but can be interpreted as his playful evil persona coming out (demoralising enemy by clowning on their attacks) so idk how much you can read into majin vegeta donutting him.

[@mythicalxfightsmugen]

Thank you! Pikkon is not filler he should’ve been in the TOP to defend ‘universe 7’ not planet Earth the fact that there are 3 1/2 humans defending a whole universe made universe 7 look underdoggish too much, DBS story telling leaves fans under served. Rainbow hair transformation

[@Drovagon]

I agree. We should've also had a scene where tien does the shin kikoho like he did against cell. Like when goku was being attacked by the love universe guys

[@mythicalxfightsmugen]

@@Drovagon this would’ve hit OG DB and DBZ fans in the feels rather than roshi dying and then coming bac like it was a cool moment but Tien is used to dying don’t kill off DBS Pervy Sage Tien is a whole role model he will gladly die for universe 7 but nah don’t show side chars since DB love, piccolo should’ve been where 17 was, would’ve foreshadowed his upgrade in the super hero movie…

[@calvinwilson3617]

DBS had a lot of really cool concepts but the execution was just so bad IMO. Bringing strong fighters from accross the universe, and fighting with other universes? Why don't we blow through that in 1 arc with a battle royal.

[@mythicalxfightsmugen]

@@calvinwilson3617 and then abandoned any character building for new opponents or world building, the idea of there being universes restored with 17s wish is just a theory now, those universes could’ve created the demon world or something it’s sad how sporadic each arc is and how they abandon so many good ideas

[@simeon8814]

1:40 Daizenshuu 5 and Reprinted Chouzenshuu 2 confirm his strength remained unchanged when he was sent in hell so it was super perfect cell

[@SaiyanScholar]

Excellent find dude!

[@simeon8814]

@@SaiyanScholar also Extreme Battle collection round 2 says that Pikkon have a strength either of another dimension or another level of strength depending how you interpret jigen, the Same statement Is made in the Buu saga for Kaioshin>Piccolo

[@PatrickTate-zt6ow]

Keep in mind that if we are using the Anime continuity Goku was with King Kai about 3yrs before he started to train with the Grand Kai. If you go back to DBZ episode Free the future after Trunks defeated the Androids and Cell 3yrs passed.

[@Drovagon]

King kai's planet was destroyed along with goku, king kai, bubbles and cricket. I don't think he trained before going to the grand kai's place.

[@TheBloodyNights]

I'd argue that Pikkon just caught Cell off guard, and Cell wasn't even close to powered up when he got one shot. Cell was charging at a Goku who wasn't even a Super Saiyan yet, and we know from Cell's personality that he enjoys warm ups, and he would only increase his strength to match his opponents. No way he'd even use much more than a fraction of his power, and then he got blind sided by Pikkon. Goku got knocked out by Vegeta with his guard down, to me it always seemed like something similar. That isn't saying Pikkon isn't strong, but even 7 years of training basically put Goku's SS2 form just slightly higher than Gohan against Cell. This was barely any time after Goku died. Goku didn't stand a chance against Cell before he was even Super Perfect. I feel like Pikkon was probably around Perfect Cell level, but not quite Super Perfect Cell level.

[@Drovagon]

Yh He's definately perfect cell level

[@Agawy150]

You’re right, Pikkon is on par with cell. The scaling in this video is terrible.

[@ragnarok7452]

Guidebook puts Pikkon stronger than SPC regardless.

[@GOAT-ganyu]

​Pikkon on par with SPC with weighted clothes, without he will overpower SPC like he is nothing but a crying baby ​@@Agawy150

[@sky-oq5mr]

​@@ragnarok7452that ain't the series so it doesn't matter. Guide books said rof Frieza was at a power level of 1million when he came back

[@powerlevelvlog1089]

How are you doing saiyan scholar I haven't seen you in awhile

[@Master_Kenway]

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[@powerlevelvlog1089]

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[@stevenldoe7838]

Kili system is trash. Yakon was 800. Goku was easily handling him in base form. Not to mention kaioshin was scared shitless and hes supposedly grade 4 goku level agaunst Cell

[@sky-oq5mr]

He was scared for Goku and yakon took ss2, to beat.

[@Popstalgia]

Would have been cool to see Pikkon revisited in Super or a future film.

[@Drovagon]

It'll be very difficult because he's a dead character in dragon ball. So unless there is something that involves going to the afterlife he won't be coming

[@NitwitsWorld]

@@Drovagonand Akira Toriyama is also dead so that will be hard to add him in canon 😢

[@mohibbaneaahlebyata.s7332]

I Honestly Think Pikkon Deserved To Be In DBS Tournament Of Power

[@metal87power]

Cell was caught off guard by Pikon.

[@UniVS427]

Cell getting 2 shotted by Pikkon was shown to tell us that that level of power isn’t relevant anymore especially seeing how Goku and Vegeta considered SPC level as a joke when compared to Dabura..and this is before we knew for sure they had SSJ2

[@franknorris987]

in the anime kid buu was not even at super buu let alone buuhan

[@harrybulz8703]

Lol, dude still thinks kid Buu is the strongest form lol, I'm pretty sure cannon says he's the most dangerous because doesn't have a personality and doesn't hold back.. but then again he says Goku beat Gohan in his beast form lol

[@zcnaipowered7407]

Kid Buu is second strongest Buu but he might as well be the stongest cause he's the only one who fights at full strength all the time and constantly mimics/learns opponents attacks

[@dwightnorton3398]

Cool man

[@TevyaSmolka]

I really liked pikon he's super underrated in my opinion.

[@Drovagon]

Yeah but Not as much as tien.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@Drovagon fair enough

[@yammz1181]

I really want another Other world adventure, Would love to see pycon center Stage. Of his own movie

[@LaughnCry27]

Pikkon is underrated Would’ve loved to see Goku and Pikkon fight Broly in hell

[@justinarzola4584]

That was teased in the end of Bio Broly I believe but we didn't see it and got Fusion Reborn instead.

[@nevadalotto560]

Pikkon is very strong that. He can destroy 50 multiverses at the same time. With infinte speed and above time itself and can also reality warp space itself too. Which makes him boundless and outerversal so yeah pikkon is crazy.

[@BackroomsDogeScp173]

More like still high multiversal level tiering according to your comment, but it's really true he can do that 😅

[@SlickJarl.]

He scales above Arqua who used a solar flare-type attack and lit up the entire otherworld tournament space/dimension which has stars and stuff

[@Drovagon]

​@@SlickJarl. Is that...human shrek as your pfp

[@SlickJarl.]

@@Drovagon Yea lol

[@Drovagon]

@@SlickJarl. nice

[@Zenith8896]

In the fan manga Dragonball Hakai, Pikkon plays a big role in the story. He is even more powerful than the Gods of Destruction. I cannot wait to see what he can do.

[@shadowtriggers5443]

Honestly it would be cool to of seen pikkon in super like imagine if he was in the universe survival tournament

[@maritimesteak8540]

Pikkon is pretty busted lol. If he got absorbed he would have been a huge problem inside Buu lol

[@Arbron]

I remember way back when seeing Pikkon own Cell, wondering "is HFIL Cell still Super Perfect?"

[@DragonUltraMaster]

No more intros? I enjoyed them

[@Drovagon]

We all did. But all good things, must come to a good end.

[@mickey2ky]

how. the rebirth of the all mighty scholar hahhhahahaahaha!!!!! im lit dude bout to pass out thanks for the content. literally thought about this topic for years lol . . im still not satisfied. I think his character should be in the god realms as an after life protecter for there jurisdiction in other world. but o boku is in a pickle after giving the bad guy a chance.. again.. -.- go get em pikon like yaaaaaaa

[@DamonDraven]

I don't think it's fair to put filler alongside the rest of the anime yet put movies in a different category. I'd love to see a video on your reasoning about this if you haven't made one already. Anime filler and movies overpower the characters for plot reasons in about the same way and, with how GT has ties to both of them (at least as far as I remember), I'd say it's more fair to have the 3 of them together in their own separate continuity. One where power curves are overall much steeper - which then also leads nicely to SS4 being equal to SSB in Super Dragon Ball Heroes. It just comes together more easily in my head. I'd really like to hear your thoughts about this!

[@KeshiaGilmore]

in the next video can you make what if goku joined freiza force

[@ChiChiLand299]

The whole thing would have been fine if there had just been no beating up cell with no effort in it and just Goku fighting him because that's what creates the giant plot hole and makes it just filler that doesn't count lol Because somehow you have Goku who hasn't trained at all now all of a sudden even stronger than Gohan being able to fight pikkon on par who is even stronger than Gohan. Like they could have fixed the problem if they were like oh let's have Goku go Super Saiyan 2 to show that at least he's gotten stronger or just not have that scene at all then it would be fine but because of that it just doesn't fit in the story of Dragon Ball even in the anime and should just be ignored lol

[@CloudMcLongfoot]

My headcannon is that any fight done in other world is of a different class of fight due to not having a "body" you have lesser ki consumtion which cell would've had on earth to some extent due to being an android kind of and part namekian

[@Dr._Doppietta]

Apparently, I can't reply you back, but I'm available whenever you need on Discord for your Budokai 1 retrospective. Have a nice day!

[@SaiyanScholar]

Thank you so much. My discord is SaiyanScholar. Add me anytime bro!

[@Dr._Doppietta]

@@SaiyanScholar will do!

[@MrKevin486]

My headcanon for this to make sense is that in Hell the villians dont have access to thier full power, not even close. Because if Pikkon was able to one shot Cell like he did, Goku shouldn't have even been able to hurt him during the later tournament as Goku wasn't even a SSJ2 at that point. Taken at face value, you either have to admit Pikkon was holding back like at least 50-70% of his full power when he fought Goku (which makes no sense, why not just use a bit more so Goku literally can't beat you in any way and win the tournament) or that Cell was way way way weaker than he was against Gohan in the living world.

[@DLFLux]

Were we ever told how he died? I really can't remember

[@HellionSol]

Based on everything i understand about the character- it was probably death by snu snu

[@Calculator-Idiot]

​@@HellionSol crazy

[@DJSkoomaWR]

What about the line in the anime where they say pikkon was the previous god of destruction? How is he that old and had that much time to train? I say that old because of beerus' age at being around for hundreds of millions of the saiyans lifespans

[@vizotzyz]

Wait where is an arrow or red circle? Idk where to look

[@Kelserran]

I agree with most of the video except for the fact Kid Buu's the strongest Buu. I mean, Goku was relieved when he reverted back to Kid Buu, and Super Buu was so powerful he ended up considering fusing the way to get rid of him.

[@CrissCross87]

Would Goku had received a zenkai boost after senzu bean from fighting Cell & Cell Jrs? Also would he had received a zenkai boost in death from Cell's explosion?

[@Rakushio]

Pikkons *Theme* is one of the strongest in all of Dragonball, and that is a fact.

[@rabbitcorp.103]

I like how he puts an er at the end of Vegetas name like vegeter 😂 also theres not GD red circle ⭕ in the thumbnail

[@sirsir9665]

He probably got very strong speading all that time in otherworld competing against Goku lol

[@douglasbrzeski668]

The other world tournament is my favorite arc.

[@michaelthehealer]

Pikkohorn is a beast without his weighted clothes he solos all of cell sega characters no diff

[@Calculator-Idiot]

Wheres the red circle

[@Shizuma]

I'd like to think Pikon is about on Goku's level or very close to and we just don't see quite all of it. To me Pikon kind of represented at the time the wider universe of power being introduced to Dragon Ball Z anime, that there were others as strong or even stronger than Goku out there. Goku was the strongest warrior in the Northern quadrant of the universe, while Pikon the strongest of the western quadrant of the universe. That's what the whole otherworld tournament saga is about, to setup into that Universal level threat of Maijin Buu.

[@GreyLeo]

Pikkon should have been brought back for the T.O.P

[@nostalgianetwork1225]

Who would win. Anime Goku vs. Movie Goku ?

[@R.E.factor]

Movie Goku has better feats than anime Goku. He displayed immeasurable speed against Metal Cooler and he warped all of otherworld, which is a universal sized dimension on its own, when transforming into SS3 against Jenemba. Jenemba was stated to be a universal threat too. You could scale him to be equal to or above Buhaan.

[@hitkid2456]

​@@R.E.factorPlus we do know he has Ryuken.

[@sky-oq5mr]

​@@R.E.factormovie Goku is anime Goku. Garlic Jr is an arc in Z making this that same Goku.

[@josephburton6111]

So my question is... who killed Pikkon? that would be interesting.

[@coleodonoghue2981]

Dragon Ball characters normally: 💪🗿 Dragon Ball characters if filler was canon: 🔥🔥🔥💪💪💪🗿🗿🗿♾♾♾

[@Aaron-bd9sj]

Yamcha is strongest full earthling confirmed.

[@The1stInterviewer]

You say Pikkon was holding back while fighting Goku. Well Goku was holding back too. He could've gone ssj 2 and ssj 3 but chose to stay in regular ssj. And if we go by the filler's logic if he went ssj 3 he could've stacked kioken on top of that soo...

[@sky-oq5mr]

He didn't have those at that point. That was not after 7 years only 2

[@The1stInterviewer]

@@sky-oq5mr even he only had ssj 2 he was still holding back

[@tonyrambo4257]

Pikion was holding back against goku when he was in base form cell didn’t have lighting so he was definitely regular perfect cell that pikion one shotted pikion was stronger than perfect cell but not stronger than super perfect cell pikion was like frizea full power vs cell who was like frizea 25% that’s the gap in their power in my opinion

[@davidsuper773]

I wouldn't be suprise if DBAF Pikkon is leagues above Baby Vegeta

[@who316]

Pikkon to me was always the original Jiren.

[@stormrhode2330]

The whole proposed multiplier concept is so arbitrary and goofy. 200x Super Perfect Cell? What does that even mean? We can't really even go by power levels because those don't actually have any bearing or relevance, especially post-Frieza. Also, I'm pretty opposed to the idea that transformation "multipliers" work the way almost everyone believes they do. Going Super probably wouldn't be an immediate (nor exact) 50x boost to your strength/power; seems to make more sense that once you simply raise your energy accumulation to a point, your body transforms to accommodate, perhaps offering a small additional boost.

[@michaelthehealer]

Full power pikkon should be super perfect cell I think

[@gunit2678]

Pikkon was designed by Toriyama himself. Pikkon should be canon

[@Abduraghmaan17]

Buu saga Goku is slightly above Gohan cell games, Pikkon is on par with Super Perfect Cell, Goku beat Pikkon with Super Kaio Ken coz of his dead body ability

[@jessepelaez874]

We talking about a filler character?

[@rockk9753]

Nah he doesn't beat Majin Buu

[@winterburden]

I guess 🤷‍♀️

[@JG-fp1tv]

I think pecan eats mad Dee 😂😂

[@chasemauney9654]

Without the arrow n circle its harder to recognize your videos

[@samkeliso-zm3ui]

Pikkon dope

[@insanemakaioshin]

It was stated that Perfect Cell's Power level was 900 Million & Kid Buu's was 1.15 Billion, so Pikkon without weighted clothing cannot be 200 times stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

[@Tilim1st]

Kid Boo is not the strongest boo. lol

[@SaiyanScholar]

Argue with Toei not me.

[@Tilim1st]

@@SaiyanScholar It was just the english dub. I watched DBZ in german and there was never a statement that he was the strongest. In the german dub he was only the most dangerous. Later I learned, that the german dub was the correct translation and the english dub was wrong. But even in the english dub there are several indications, why he was weaker than (standard) super boo. You can make the argument, that kid boo maybe ist stronger than the original fat boo but I'm not certain with this one.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Japanese dub and source material interviews did. Not just English dub. I didn't say I like it. I'm just saying Toei and Toriyama are a bit irresponsible in terms of keeping things consistent at times.

[@Tilim1st]

@@SaiyanScholar Not once have I heard, that the japanese dub refers to him as "the strongest boo". Only the "most dangerous".

[@SaiyanScholar]

Yeah there's loads of videos and screenshots out there. Even in Kai there's some.

[@quakeskilla350]

1st !

[@avoiceacrosstheworld1943]

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