Could The F-14 Tomcat Still Be Relevant ? F-14 Tomcat Vs Su-33 Flanker-D Intercept | DCS |

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[@Hunter-Grossmann]

F35B vs AV8B?

[@rexmann1984]

I recommend checking out Lazer Pig. The F-14 is considered a pain to maintain even in the fighter community.

[@firebald2915]

Get missle choice, GS. They inadvertently acted as decoys twice. For as big as they are, they turn on target well at a lower altitude. Fun win !

[@karrackhalcyon8826]

Your faith in jester, is far less than his faith in you, given he didn't eject when you both almost because pancakes. Lol

[@Dirtyharry70585]

Was called the Super Tomcat and put the super Hornet to shame!

[@Tigerhawk30]

I'd like to applaud Jester for NOT ejecting upon the near-miss with the ground...

[@Murph_gaming]

I thought a few times this video would end with him smashing into some terrain.

[@Skyhighnupe]

CFIT kill

[@WebberAerialImaging]

Exactly what I was thinking. Jester punches out when a bug hits the canopy.

[@grisslebear]

Jester yelling "SHIT! SHIT! SHIT!" is usually followed by "I'M OUT!"

[@glenncooper3524]

Ya GS had to have a little talk with him. He's turned F14s into convertibles a few times

[@xavierwedel4691]

Grumman had a vision to keep the F-14 more relevant, it's a shame we never got to see that vision come to fruition. The platform still had potential.

[@Sacto1654]

If the F-14 was able to use the engines from the F-22, it would have been a *POTENT* interceptor, to say the least. Such an F-22 with the latest AMRAAM missile....

[@xavierwedel4691]

@@Sacto1654 It'd be more than an interceptor. It'd be one of, if not *the* best 4th gen fighters, even to this day.

[@steve390gold]

Yes it was to be the F21 super tomcat. But a late senator whose name escapes me had it out for Grumman and had the far far less capable F18 pushed into service.

[@NR-xj3nf]

​@@steve390gold Wasn't it none other than SecDef Dick Cheney who pushed for the F-18 over the upgraded F-14?

[@flyer54us]

@@steve390gold Dick Cheney..think he did it as VP, but started string the pot when he was Def Sec.

[@Paddyboy005]

I like the video’s where Toxic is the opposing pilot. He seems to be very skillful on a lot of his maneuvers. Kudos to Toxic

[@kevint1911]

I, for one, was shocked that Jester did not eject at 8:39.

[@steve390gold]

Bwaaahahahahaah ikr?! After the 3rd "sh1t!!" I was expecting him to punch out.

[@dzfeverframe6787]

​@@steve390goldyeaah dude 😂

[@danielspence1653]

This made me howl laughing, thanks for that. 🤣

[@zyoungson215]

@Steven Nelson He was describing the state of his pants at that point

[@Kaneguy]

Hell, I bailed out of my seat.

[@Jack0trades]

Awesome! I love to see you flying the Tomcat! Just a minor historical nomenclature point... I was a west coast Tomcat RIO through the late '80s and I never heard anyone refer to the TID as a "tid". We always referred to it as the "Tee-Eye-Dee". - Poacher

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Roger thanks always appreciate the corrections there are a few things like that I’ve heard in real life vs what people say in DCS the most notable is TWS but some real life guys have told me they say TWIZ, SOI or sensor of interest is not SOY like we say in DCS they literally say S-O-I. Anyway ya thanks appreciate the knowledge drop, all the best.

[@steve390gold]

Bradford, how did you get the call sign "poacher?" That's gotta have a great story behind it!!! Lol

[@magnanimus9692]

Yea im kinda curious about that callsign too.

[@benn454]

@@steve390gold Sounds like some poor deer got accidentally smoked by a Tomcat.

[@jayturner6570]

@@benn454 Sounds like he was known for stealing a girl or two from his comrades.

[@jakesil9814]

It’s cool enough how the missiles can track planes but the fact that they can track and intercept each other is amazing

[@midnightanimal708]

*me chilling in the backseat tracking a plane* *suddenly a new "plane" pops up on radar* *it's a phoenix*

[@upcomingvillain]

For sure this is new mind blowing info for me!

[@CabbageJuice2677]

Hey uhhh, I think that missile is coming for us at mach 5 Captain 😅

[@Rose_Butterfly98]

Imagine how good the super tomcat would've been with modern missiles.

[@dizzyizzie6354]

Meteors!! And 9x & next gen extened range argms !

[@MaverickM1]

It would be unbeatable.

[@mdbizzarri]

Interesting thing to note. Anytime a Tomcat had a Phoenix, the cockpit would be warm to extremely hot, due to the coolant being used for the Phoenix before the aircrew. We got a lot of tickets from younger aircrew every time. It's also rare to see 4 Phoenix's on a bird.

[@pahtar7189]

The Tomcat, if updated, could still be relevant. What's much less clear is that it's worth two or three times the maintenance cost of the Super Hornet.

[@devilsadvocate8010]

Wasn’t the super tomcat supposed to help with maintenance a lot getting rid of that problem anyway with the next generation or reducing it?

[@Wolfe351]

SuperHornet maintenance is now at the equivalent level due to over use of the airframes for too many roles (tanker, strike, etc) the composite fuselage has fatigue rates much higher than earlier F/a18c and F14s of similar airframe age. There was a recent report detailing ongoing issues with the Superbug fleet

[@skatman3278]

​@@devilsadvocate8010 it may have helped, but most of the cost was because of the swing wings and they wouldn't have been able to get rid of that cost.

[@devilsadvocate8010]

@@skatman3278 since when have we cared about cost for an effective aircraft, also the f14 was more than a fighter, it was also a refueling combat plane

[@skatman3278]

@@devilsadvocate8010 since forever. It was the primary reason the F-14 was retired.

[@ColetteHart]

The Tomcat looks good, but that Su-33 is just stunning. Say what you will about Flankers, but they're absolutely beautiful planes.

[@sorryociffer]

Agree, especially clean…. The Su-27, F-16, and SuperBug are all elegant and yet purposeful looking…

[@kolideoskope]

Strongly disagree.

[@zyoungson215]

Flankers are nice looking planes aside from the bulbous radomes and ugly looking canopy. F16 nails that part

[@nickex2003]

Tomcat is the best looking plane every created

[@1930Granada]

They're drop-dead gorgeous in the gunsights of an F-14.

[@whalelord9641]

You could probably strap a Phoenix missile onto a paper airplane and it'd go toe-to-toe with gen 3 jets at this point.

[@tlndblood8776]

Or shoot an amraam off a phoenix

[@dingmingzou9866]

@@tlndblood8776 that's a great idea

[@whalelord9641]

@@tlndblood8776 Imagine a missile firing another missile at you

[@skydiver1013]

If the Navy kept updating the F-14 to the same standard the USAF are updating the F-15, it would still be a potent 4th generation fighter.

[@JulianVR4]

And 15% of our total defense budget would've went to fixing over-G'd F14s lol

[@benn454]

@@JulianVR4 And too many of those parts that budget paid for would mysteriously end up in Iran.

[@skydiver1013]

@@JulianVR4, So spending hundreds of billions of tax dollars on climate change is better than spending it on defense? I don't think so.

[@DarkOmenX]

@@benn454 and so it went to F-35 and befor to F-18 E/F ..sorry but ST-21 was the better choice however DICK happend

[@StudSupreme]

I actually stood next to a Tomcat at an airshow many years ago. I was shocked to see how much bigger it was compared to even the F-15. Impressive aircraft.

[@RT42069]

Those things are as big as a B-17

[@nacebedace8243]

they are large cause of the sweep wings, they are pretty equal to the f15

[@stevepreskitt283]

When I lived in Virginia Beach, it was always fun watching them from the Lynnhaven Mall parking lot just adjacent to NAS Oceana. They looked great on the ground, but not nearly as cool as seeing them fly. Lots of Intruders back then, too.

[@MrMcGiblets1]

Some Tomcat drivers called it the "target"... or bullet magnet.

[@Elthenar]

The F-14 absolutely could still be relevant. It did, however, have some glaring issues that would be a major problem in modern combat. The big one is that it's turbine fans were exposed to radar from the front. That gave it the RCS of a small moon. I am not sure if there would be a way to fix that via upgrades. However, a revised new build F-14, similar to the F-15 EX, would have been an absolute monster. With a few changes to get it's RCS down to a managable level and get it's maintenance need under control, it could leverage it's biggest asset. The F-14 had an absolutely monstrous radar unit. If I am not mistaken, it carried the largest radar ever mounted on a fighter. Put an equally huge AESA unit in there and an F-14 could see you from the next continent. Enemies would think an Aegis ship locked them up. That, and with modern engines it would have had unparalleled endurance.

[@thunderboltcougar5626]

By the engine, i think you'r referring to its intake design. Well, even w/ limited stealth technology achievement, Russia pretty confident w/ their SU57. With US technology, such as YF23's, i believe they could come out w/ solution. You know both Felon & Black Widow's main fuselage have lot of similarities in design w/ F14's especially regarding its engine's & intake's. The biggest problem for RCS thing, i believe will be w/ its VG. But w/ more compact & newer advance digital equipments, we can save space on the F14's for more avionics such as EW equipment, specifically for radar jamming from Growler.

[@Vic64Y]

I think so, because the F-14 it's an awesome and beautiful fight plane. I felt somehow sad when the Navy retired it "so soon" back in 2006. Cheers from Spain.

[@GrantvsMaximvs]

With the JHMCS, Raytheon's hypersonic missiles, AIM-9Xs, and R2-D2 in the back, the Tomcat II would be the best thing since the Tomcat I.

[@GrantvsMaximvs]

@@Markbell73 send this to Northrup Grumman. This is the NGAD.

[@hunormagyar1843]

​@@GrantvsMaximvs Lool ikr

[@CoffeeMatt10]

@@GrantvsMaximvs that’s what Grumman’s proposal for the ST-21 was. Dickhead Cheney said no because he doesn’t like Grumman… I don’t understand why, at one point around 75% of the US Navy’s air wings were made up of Grumman/Northrop Grumman aircraft (F-14, A-6/KA-6/EA-6B, E-2). He must’ve had buddies at McDonnell Douglas and Boeing.

[@GrantvsMaximvs]

@@CoffeeMatt10 probably. I have noticed that they like to balance the contract awards, these days

[@rondaxen88]

@@CoffeeMatt10 Dickhead Cheney, hahaha. I like that one.

[@leftnut7508]

Damn, they had MALD decoys on tomcats back in the day, impressive. That was probably a contributor to your success since you could recommit faster after his missile went for the Phoenix and missed.

[@Ilke2gofst]

I saw the last demo at NAS Oceana and I miss it so much. I live near the base and get the pleasure of watching F-18s all day but the Tomcat was something special. Thanks for the vid GS!

[@45CaliberCure]

Yeah, I remember seeing them in the landing pattern back in the 80's from Military Circle, back when shopping malls were still the rage.

[@gec-o2167]

Not even a question. Navy should have developed the Super Tomcat as a dedicated fleet defense/air superiority platform and the Hornet dedicated for the attack/Growler mission. I would have loved to have seen our flight decks crammed full of Super Toms and Bugs.

[@chrisweber3379]

@@RW-zn8vy The Super Hornet is almost the same size as the Tomcat.

[@cockatoo010]

I love the phoenix. So large, it even acts as a missile decoy!

[@SasNolan]

11:40 is the Prime example of how freaking HUGE AIM-54 is. It is SO BIG, that Fox3 missiles can actually switch lock onto it instead of going for plane. In one of you videos where you fought against F-14, your aim120 did that and saved you, cuz of breaking MAR.

[@senecaflint6853]

Those drop tank canoes are fascinating

[@timsullivan4566]

TOMCAT PILOT : "Be advised I'm coming in a bit heavy with these 6 missiles." CARRIER CONTROL : "Roger that. Better hurry up and get rid of couple of them." TOMCAT PILOT : "Will do." CARRIER CONTROL : "WTF - NOT AT US!!!"

[@beckenbaylin3167]

With Jesters like that an F-14 pilot doesn't need enemies

[@dezmirean1]

I simply love F14 Tomcats. One hell of a plane.

[@emu158]

Awesome video as always, you never fail to be entertaining and informative at the same time!

[@orion19117]

These videos are just getting better and better! The music hitting right when the missile strikes is awesome! You have some awesome maneuvers man!

[@Chuck_Hooks]

F-14 was a maintenance nightmare.

[@jaek__]

this is unfortunately true

[@josephjoestar3275]

Granted, a lot of it was from parts supply. Listen to the All Things Grumman Podcast, during their last cruise a maintainer had basically the entire navy's part supply for the tomcats and maintenance hours per hour of flight dropped from 60 hours to 9 or so. To put that in perspective, the Legacy Hornets required about 20 hours per flight hour and the Super Hornet 10 to 15.

[@niuniuhhh]

A single hour of operation take around 13 hours of maintenance 😢

[@devilsadvocate8010]

The upgraded super tomcat was supposed to help that problem a lot

[@bjornnordstrom]

The F-14 was known to be somewhat of a Hangar Queen - always something that needed to be fixed and repaired. The F/A-18 Hornet was a huge improvement in that aspect. But I guess that does not show in DCS.

[@TheMooseMcLovin]

I've only just gotten into DCS, without any prior plane knowledge. And I love how much you break stuff down! One of my new favorite channels!

[@doncalypso]

Your boy Toxic really deserves a raise in pay for constantly stepping up to the plate as a Sacrificial Lamb for these videos.

[@allenhilburn8686]

I deployed aboard USS Constellation in 1977 which was the first operational deployment of the F-14, totally awesome aircraft. What I think would be interesting would be if the software would allow modernization of aircraft like the F-14 with more modern avionics and weapons which would be the case if the Tomcat was still part of the inventory. Great videos GS. I'd love to see you do one with Mooch, Ward Carroll.

[@RazgrizF14D]

I was born in 1977 and I deployed on the USS Constellation, I was an Air traffic Controller, in 2002 for her last deployment and also the last deployment of VF-2 using the F-14. They transitioned to the Super Hornet after the deployment.

[@stevepreskitt283]

Mooch wouldn't be punching out like Jester, that's for sure. :-D

[@bananomet4052]

Any chance for a 500k subspecial? Something like Battle of Britain event would be cool.

[@timbaskett6299]

Personally, I'd like to take a drop tank and make it into a charcoal grill!! It would be interesting to see an AIM-54 sized missile with all of the technological advances of the AIM-120 and AIM-260.

[@dstavs]

Fantastic video! The Tomcat is such a beautiful bird. It’s great to see it hold its own against modern adversaries, even if it’s just in the digital battlefield.

[@kelvaris1]

Awesome as always. I love the Skull squadron on the tail.

[@pokes404]

16:10 That shot was epic. Man the F-14 is a beautiful-looking plane.

[@maxspezialbauag9745]

The F-14 is just the most beautiful plane ever and your skills are insane! Keep up the amazing work!!!

[@redjaypictures4528]

Its pretty clear from this that the cat definitely still has its claws, makes me wonder how it’d have performed if that “super tomcat 21” version actually got made

[@steve390gold]

We never would have needed the F18 or the FA18 super hornet

[@chukuma4760]

@@steve390gold fa18 was the designation for both the bug and superbug

[@myhorseisamazing5883]

@@steve390gold its so much easier to maintain than tomcat with it's wings...

[@Aaron-wq3jz]

@@myhorseisamazing5883 and cheaper

[@MedEighty]

15:28 That's really good synchronisation of the music with the video.

[@Bad_Wolf_Media]

8:50 - I'm stunned Jester stayed in the aircraft for that!

[@iron_talon]

I wonder, are there any F-14D mods out there that are any good? Seems like a good way to see the F-14 with more modernized instrumentation and even some Air to Ground capabilities for fun

[@benrichey2593]

T: 8:35 I can’t believe you kept Jester onboard - they must have buffed his confidence since last video 😄

[@dairyqueenshake6719]

GS: *about to pancake his F-14 with extreme prejudice* Jester: "SHIT, SHIT, SHIT" That was hilarious 😂👌

[@HellBatDC]

I can't believe Jester didn't punch out at 8:38.

[@ksb5325]

Keep it up GS love the daily uploads!

[@Sup3r6f0ur]

F14D with AMRAM capability would absolutely be relevant in the same way the F15C and F16C Block 50 and on are also still relevant.

[@DIVeltro]

My brother was crew chief on the all black Tomcat when VX-9 had it. Some of the stories he had were pretty funny.

[@vaclavkolar6750]

F-14: *levels off at like 10ft from the ground* GS: "Oooohh that was a tight one..." Jester: "Shit shit shit!" 😂😂😂

[@Daniel-jq4qk]

Def. one of the better BVR fights in awhile! I enjoyed this one BIG time! Awesome job as always..

[@gcdhvf4896]

The F-14 was being used as a 'part time' dog fighter instead of the interception platform that it was designed to operate as... Had it have received the F100 FDE engines of the F15, and stealth tech on the body it would have been a very significant fighter, even today!

[@PhycoKrusk]

Stealth tech would not have made a significant difference to its RCS; the plane is just too damn big. However, if the F-14D could have been given F-15 engines and an F-15 radar, it would be have quite impressive.

[@johnleonard9102]

Stealth wouldn't have been compatible with the sweep wings

[@slate4687]

​@@PhycoKrusk what do you mean?! The f 14D had 2 F16 GE110 engines and a digital radar an/apg71 inspired by the An/Apg 70 of the F15

[@silverphinex]

@@slate4687 he means if the original plan for the 14 had been followed. The 14 was only supposed to have the TF30s for a really short time before getting the new engine but that got shelved until the GE motors came around.

[@LeonAust]

No stealth for F-14 LMAO🤣 it's like saying the Superhornet is stealth, it's not stealth far from it. F/A-18F can be detected by 4.5gen X band radars around 50 miles and those same fighters have a hard time locking up a 5th gen F-35 in a dogfight, that's how big the difference is. 4 and 4.5 gen aircraft cannot be given stealth, it has to be designed and manufactured into it from the beginning to be stealth.

[@aceblaneescabusa5371]

GS speaking a lot at around 10:25 makes us think of an expected missile impact while descending on terrain, haha. You always made us aware like that, I compliment!

[@payneproblems]

the RIO going "shit shit shit!!" on that near-ground collision. lmao I lost it.

[@CJFreeza]

The splash ending with the music drop was lit af

[@maxitomix]

So good man! Amazing video. The replays, all of i!

[@SuperCaptainSkittles]

Jester, 3ft off the ground at Mach Jesus: "We coolin' fam" Also Jester, in level flight, calm skies, no bandits on radar: "YEET!!"

[@GRiMFoX11]

The AMC switch on the tomcat is really deadly with in 10nms with the Phoenix. Makes the 54 come off in pitbull

[@TacoFlavoredKisses]

Okay that canoe conversion is awesome. I want one now!

[@maxjones45]

Today I wore my “I’m a Cat Person” shirt, when I got home, there was a Tomcat Video, seems I willed it into existence. Great Video GS!

[@MrCwatson3]

I know the f14 was retired due to maintenance. But imagine if it coulda been re-released with composite panels like the f18s had making it lighter and easier to repair. Still the most beautiful aircraft ever flown.

[@Aaron-wq3jz]

It costs as much as an f22 for the navy it’s not cost effective anymore

[@jintsuubest9331]

You need to eliminate and redesign the entire wing and body section to bring down any significant saving from a maintenance perspective. At that point, you might as well redesign the whole thing all together. It is kinda like f16 and f21. The internal is change so much the entire craft is practically reengineered and rebuild from the ground up. I don't know the engineering challenges and compromises needed to make in order to fit 2 person into a navy fighter, it likely is great enough the navy decided it is a good idea to trade some capability per aircraft for it.

[@drakkon_sol]

One of the Better videos you have done. I mean, let's not kid ourselves, they're all good, but this one.... it felt like it had that little extra something in it.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks, I appreciate the feedback.

[@danielberger1378]

Shoutout to Toxic, who is one of the best opponents in your videos 💪

[@evokerzz]

would be cool to see you try 2v2 pvp dogfights

[@DaysOfFlightSim351]

AWESOME! Good video as always!

[@skypechess]

The shit, shit, shit at 8:38 was hilarious.

[@N-L3]

Another great vid!!! Keep up the amazing content!

[@whywecollectwatches]

GS your videos are always a blast to watch!

[@IRLFlightSim]

Omg I was praying to the dcs gods for a growling sidewinder video and they have blessed up

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

Nice Star Wars Sound FX at 4:32

[@moldyal]

Great production, bravo!!

[@TheTopGun920]

F14 and the Super Tomcat plans were retired early because Cheney had financial interests in McDonnell Douglas who makes the F/A 18. The Naval pilots and crew have said the F14 beats the F/A 18 in nearly every category except for ease and cost of maintenance.

[@romanpotichko509]

Well, as always it's one of those great fights and videos. Good job.

[@sogerc1]

Seeing it from the missile's pov it's just crazy, how the hell can it get so close to a plane flying that fast.

[@kings1142]

Hey gs thoughts on doing harrier vs fully weighed f18?

[@johndoe70770]

I love how you can definitely see the phoenix coming off at you in the distance. I bet the last seconds of Toxic's POV was dicey as hell

[@Tomcatters]

15:00min even the Phoenix worked hard to kill this one, nice video!

[@BarkerVancity]

The bf3 theme song always pumps me up. Hope they don’t copyright you. Great stuff. Going to yuan your code.

[@bsdude010]

Good video, man!

[@thefoolishhiker3103]

I love when you make jester nervous.

[@jukogzlz1257]

5:16 "Dad look, A shooting star!" -"no son, its something better"

[@brandonproctor3639]

This was awesome man! Great kill

[@parrotlander]

That final shot was hollywood-worthy.

[@tcunero]

Love these BVR what if's! Thanks!

[@dededu21fr]

Big up to Toxic again. If only he has gone a little more low, just behind the hill you see on your last missile he could have defeated it and got at a last shot on you or even merge ! Again a nice fight ! Pretty intertaining ^^

[@kdog3908]

I got a soft spot in my heart for this big kitty. Still looks damn pretty too, despite being 50+ years old!

[@9Apilot]

Someone should do an F-14 D model mod.

[@AnthonyWoodruffe]

Really great going!

[@joe5st817]

The Jolly Rogers F14 logo was one of the best squadron logos ever! Love that on the tail.

[@richskinns]

Many thanks really enjoyed that 👍🏻👍🏻

[@masondamoose7520]

That thumbnail pic is absolutely beautiful

[@kingsaltman]

I’d like to see this with the f14 having a modern armament that it would have had were it in service. Great vid as always!

[@republicofustio4381]

F-15STOL/MTD vs. YF-23A would be siiiiiick

[@hawkeye2816]

To be fair to the Tomcat, I'm not sure Viper, Hornet, or Eagle would have had a much easier time in that particular fight. The Flanker was flown very well. But on the other hand, is the Phoenix really relevant today? Probably not. It's got a longer range, but it's easier to defeat than modern missiles.

[@Yasin99674]

Very nice video thanks 🙏🏻

[@sebastiansmal4423]

Bf3 theme at The end :D ahhh old good days of HALO jump mission with this song. Good memory

[@Gerwulf97]

Great info on the Charlie variants, thought they were like the A's!

[@CaptainHeadcrab]

8:39 "That was a tight one, I didn't mean to go that low" My brother in Christ, the ants could read the serial numbers on your missiles

[@imkeerock]

Looks like your attitude indicator in your HUD was showing a bank when the plane was wings level a few times. Great fight! I was laughing when he kept shooting down your missiles.

[@valhallaab8399]

Broken INS, IMU after breaking 10-11 G’s

[@dexternuqui753]

Nice vid, never knew a missile could intercept the Aim 54

[@griffincheng]

Thanks for reminding of the PAL mode