Could This Be The End of Monster Taming? (Not Likely, But Watch Anyways)

[@isshi6617]

I think what many people concerns the most about this is the potential other big company may see in this by using patents to push the competition away. Not just for the monster taming genre. I know at least for me this is the biggest and scariest thing.

[@nerdtanks1439]

Yea but the fact Nintendo did this made tons of us mad. Tons of us who have disposable income, who just decided to rip and emulate everything in their entire library vs giving them another dollar.

[@squidtentacles3492]

The thing that makes me feel like this won't happen is the nemesis system. Companies have already seen the use of patents preventing competition in a big way with WB patenting that system, and it hasn't been utilized until potentially now with Nintendo.

[@jayjaytheplane]

My understanding is that it's not about the ball itself. I read somewhere that its the process of "aiming and throwing a capture device" which sounds like the kind of thing that not only should not be patented but also isn't something pokemon did first. Either way I hope nintendo loses the suit

[@suicune2001]

Yeah, I don't see how they can prevent an entire genre from throwing stuff at monsters to capture them. Otherwise, we'll see other games patent "convincing monsters to join you, hatch monsters to join you" etc. until there won't be any new franchises because all the ways to recruit monsters will be taken.

[@kittenoffire3325]

Me too. I only bought Palworld I wanted to support them. I love the game. Maybe Nintendo should actually put effort in to making decent pokemon games

[@leonardofarias8843]

@@kittenoffire3325 Nintendo doesn’t even have hands-on control she just publishes

[@nazeersadek6705]

The strange thing they allowed Coromon and both Nexomon games on the switch so why are they going after Palworld specifically

[@leonardofarias8843]

@@nazeersadek6705 They don’t have catching devices similar to Pokeballs

[@Nando75549]

Also the patent was denied in the US. That's why the lawsuit is only in Japan.

[@flaggschiffen]

It's in Japan because both companies are Japanese... why would it be in the US?

[@KalinTheZola]

@@flaggschiffen Because the game is international which means both companies do business in the US which means when doing business with the US you need to follow US laws

[@flaggschiffen]

@@KalinTheZola Patent law is always territorial. You only hold a patent for the territories you registered it in and it effects both import and export. In this case both companies are Japanese and the patent is held in Japan. If Nintendo wins the law suit, not only will Pocket Pair not be allowed to sell the game without a Nintendo license in Japan. It also won't be allowed to export the game out of Japan! So they also won't be allowed to sell without a license to the US or EU or anywhere else. If hypothetically the law suit was in the US (lets say the patent wasn't rejected in the US) and Nintendo won, then Pocket Pair couldn't export to the US without a license, but they still could sell anywhere else (unless its is modified by bilateral treaties between Japan and USA regarding patent law).

[@KalinTheZola]

@@flaggschiffen I'm no lawyer so I won't pretend to understand how patent law infringement is settled in a court of law, especially when the patents can include international dealings (not saying palworld infringed, just speaking generally) but from what I understand based on some research is that patenrs are based on each territory you wish you do business in, thus you need to apply in all territories you wish to protect your patent. They would need to sue for those regions, and from what I understand US denied a lawsuit

[@flaggschiffen]

@@KalinTheZola Usually patents are not filed in every territory possible. Filing patents in the biggest consumer markets (US, China, EU and depending on product Japan & Korea) is enough of a deterrent against patent violations. In this case however Pocket Pair is headquartered in Japan. So if Nintendo wins in Japan then Pocket Pair can't sell (export) out of Japan without a licence, because they would be controlled by the Japanese government under Japanese law. If hypothetically Pocket Pair was a US company and lost a patent law suit in Japan then they could still sell in the US, just not in Japan.

[@circledude2362]

Please note: in japan, you only have one year to File a patent before it becomes public domain. the pokeball's patent was filed in 2021. But Pocketpair made released Craftopia in 2020 which uses the same game mechanic.

[@herokibs]

was it realeased in Japan?

[@circledude2362]

@@herokibs yep

[@duanefouche378]

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. There is a reason patenting game mechanics is frowned upon, the minute a company starts abusing it, every company will start abusing it - and before you know it games have stagnated due to all the best ideas being "owned". It's like how every country technically has nukes... but they all silently understand why that first stone should never be cast. Patenting an individual game mechanic is as ludicrous as patenting individual notes in a song IMO. All songs are just remixes of the same notes, and likewise an overwhelming majority of games are just remixes of existing mechanics or new spins on existing stories. A game is a compilation of ideas given form, it just should not be legal to patent game mechanics (aka the ideas) IMO, only the completed product in it's final form. EG: you can patent/copyright the iconic design of a pokeball, but not the damn idea behind it. Can you imagine if eg: Only Square Enix can use turn based combat, only Bethesda can make 3rd person combat games, Only Nintendo can use "status effects" or "type weaknesses", and only WOTC could use the concept of Spellcasting or the "Chosen one" trope... ...How many games of today would not exist? At the very least: Elden Ring, Dragons Dogma, Baldurs Gate 3, Persona 5 etc to name a few recent games would not exist as they use not just one but multiple of those mechanics in their own unique package.

[@suicune2001]

Exactly! They're shooting themselves in the foot.

[@lilymoncat]

As several have said the actual patent Nintendo seems to be using is basically for throwing ANYTHING at a monster with intent to capture it. So that means they could go after Nexomon for Nexotraps, Temtem for their cards, My Time at Sandrock for throwing meatballs at local monsters to appease them and get them to join you... in short they're aiming at a good 75% of ways to catch a monster. And they're not even aiming at it because they actually believe they should own them all, they're aiming at it for the petty reason of Palworld did as good or better than Gamefreak's last Pokemon game. And gee isn't it a coincidence that Palworld hit big January of this year and Gamefreak announced a month later there'd be no new Pokemon games this year. Palworld made them crap their pants so they decided to not only delay their own games so that they could actually work on them instead of tossing them out half baked but ask Daddy Nintendo to sue the crap out of the upstarts.

[@nazeersadek6705]

Coromon, TemTem and both Nexomon games are on the switch 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@imtheonewhoaskedlol]

Gamefreak only makes the games. Its Nintendo that imposes the harsh 1-game-per-year schedule.

[@tylercafe1260]

You don't get it. It's basically "Don't throw Pokeballs at Pokemon-esque creatures". TemTem uses cards and has a lot of unique designs. Same with Cassette Beasts. Nexomon has you throwing Pyramids and having you do a completely different capture mechanic that involves food and a QTE. If you look at Palworld everything is 100% in service to the Pals and not the building because why do you build? To breed more Pals. So it's really a Monster Game wearing a thin disguise to avoid plagiarism but it's literally just Pokeballs and Pokemon. This doesn't hurt any videogames just protects Nintendos money (which fanboys don't want so they'll say anything to sound like it's a win for gamers) and helps define "What is a Pokemon" and what makes a "Pokemon" unique in a genre filled with other monster collectors. If the Pals just looked different they could've potentially got away with the Palsphere. But they're just Pokemon. They could've gotten away with the Pokemon rip-offs if they didn't use Palspheres. They did the specific combination of Pokemon + Pokeballs. That was just dumb on their part. Then it gets worse when you bring in the lore. It's just Pokemons Lore. Yes even down to the very lore. Because remember despite all the things labelled as "Gods" we don't know the TRUE origins of Pokemon. Palmons actually have similar lore. We don't know where Pals came from. They copied too much. They could've taken like 70% and still be fine but they went the full 99%. What does Pokemon mean? Pocket Monster. Pokeball? Pocket Ball. Adding the word "Pal" doesn't change that. The name of the franchise is literally "Pocket Monsters". We just say Pokemon for marketing.

[@dsshocktrooper7523]

​@tylercafe1260 the Pals are different, Pokémon doesn't own the rights to mammals. Also the lawsuit isn't about designs, so why are you bringing this up?

[@riotkitty]

That’s a lot of assumptions. Game development takes years and Pokémon ZA’s release was decided by Nintendo long before Palworld released. I know ya really want GameFreak to have some sort of secret beef with other developers but come on.

[@Gamefreak506]

There's a number of things that concern me about this lawsuit. I may be overreacting, but I also got to remind myself that this is Nintendo we're talking about. It's a company known for its excessive use of legal actions on fangames, emulators, KZbin contents, etc., no matter how harmless they may be. What I'm getting from this lawsuit especially is that if it goes through, Nintendo will get to be as lazy as much as they want with their products. Same boring products, over and over again, and they're not gonna care. Any competitors getting big numbers? They threaten patent lawsuits, whether to shut them down or scrape off as much of their success as possible. I can't understand why people would want to defend Nintendo's lawsuit. It tells me Nintendo have the potential to do worse if they want.

[@h2h1zzz]

fanboys don't care

[@riotkitty]

Tbh I’m not exactly completely on Pocket Pair’s side here cause there is evidence indicating they have ripped direct assets off the Pokémon for their Pals. Not to say people weren’t being silly about saying similar concepts were copying but I digress. I suppose I will make up my mind once it is shown what patents Nintendo is suing over.

[@h2h1zzz]

@@riotkitty I mean yea there's some stuff that looks like reskins of pokemon but it's different enough that idk if it'd be covered

[@tranquility6789]

​@@riotkittythat evidence was false, person admitted to scaling and changing the models to make them look similar. Also, this isn't about copyright infringement

[@Gamefreak506]

@@riotkitty Debatable. You're gonna have to be more specific, because I've been seeing several things that are either circumstantial, or just somebody likely holding a petty grudge.

[@kerespup]

Funny enough, what I don't see enough of is a discussion on the fact that included in those 4 Patents branching off from the Parent patent is the MOUNTING System covering Mounting, Dismounting, Switching Between Ground, Air, Water mounts, etc.

[@jstormy8168]

Me remembering final fantasy had monsters in crystals back since like 1987 even though it was sealing not catching the idea was there, and now I want the next world of final fantasy haha.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Reminder that Nintendo had to go after vague patents. You can cry, complain and throw accusations over the monster designs all you please but the fact remains that the monster designs being similar Pokemon doesn't hold up in court.

[@nathannia]

in my view the problem in case nintendo wins the lawsuit is that they will be able to patent any type of mechanic in monster tamming game like ride the monster could be the next one, that's t he problem nintendo will bully any possible rival into shutdown

[@suicune2001]

Couldn't that go against anti-monopoly laws? If you patent anything and everything that could be in a monster taming game then no one else will be allowed to make them. Maybe I should patent "having monsters as friends" and then sue Nintendo.

[@nathannia]

@@suicune2001 that law dont exist on japan

[@elvickRULES]

They already own a patent for riding animals, and mechanics related to it. This lawsuit is about multiple patents. That’s one people theorize is also going to be included, but tons of games have mounts. Way before Pokemon ever did.

[@nathannia]

@@elvickRULES thats crazy that nintendo can just slap small companies with stupid patents like the mount one but 90% of indie company dont have the money to hire a legal team to deal with these stupid lawsuits of BIG N

[@suicune2001]

@@elvickRULES So ANY game that has a mount has to get permission from Nintendo? Like Red Dead Redemption, Witcher, etc.?

[@pixelwhisper1999]

Nintendo doesn't own monster taming, no matter how much they want to. Sure, MAYBE they get away with owning capture balls (bullsh*t btw), that won't stop the genre, hell, it won't even stop palworld. (Again, despite Nintendo's incessant hissy fits)

[@Phantomcrustacean]

The problem is the patent wasn’t about throwing balls specifically, It was about throwing something that could capture (or cause an effect as others have pointed out) the monster, it’s broad enough that it could very well patent one of the very cores of monster taming games

[@King-mg7vy]

They don't have to "own it", they popularized it. What does it matter anyway?

[@snintendog]

@@King-mg7vy ITs the death of a genre. Thats why it matters Ed is not seeing the scope anyways the Abstract of the Patent doesnt even stay to CAPTURE its "Thrown item has an effect in battle." This goes for ANYTHING and has implications of Items being used in battle PERIOD

[@King-mg7vy]

@snintendog The genre is not dead, if anything it's got new life thanks to Palworld. But you people are too busy sticking it to Gamefreak to actually HAVE FUN with it. You only play that game to spite THEM.

[@PkmnTrainerAbram]

​@@King-mg7vy🙄

[@RacieB]

The patent is entirely about the look and feel of throwing an object at a target character in 3rd person in an open 3d space, nothing about the specific shape of that object is mentioned (but it is illustrated as a poké ball in the example figures). As-is, this wouldn't specifically affect games that don't have a realtime 3D capture element.

[@elvickRULES]

A cube wouldn’t matter because it’s the mechanics behind throwing an object in 3D space that are patented. It would be like if a company had patents for taking cover behind objects and being able to shoot from behind them. It would completely kill the progress of an entire genre of video games to not be able to do something so basic. Which is why patents like these don’t tend to fly in most countries. But Japan is different. Patents this this are apocalyptic as it ensures anti-competitive practices continue. And empowers further patent trolling by mega corps and individuals. May not affect western devs but it will still make them rethink how they make their game because they’ll still be afraid of a lawsuit. And their game is u likely to sell as well as Palworld, and if Palworld loses then what chance would they have? So no throwing objects in a 3D space for you. No increased catch % based on HP or status effects (that’s also patented). No color based reference for quality of catch rate (also a patent). So what’s that leave for anybody trying to modernize and push the genre beyond the typical 2D games? Not a lot.

[@tigerx36]

Haven't even played Palworld but as a Pokemon fan, I'm sure new monster tamers can come up with ways to collect monsters. I'd be very shocked if this was the end of the genre.

[@leonoliveira8652]

Pocket pair already had a capture device made of two pyramids, in craftopia.

[@darryljack6612]

I don't think this would screw over every monster tamer out there. I think the bigger and more disgusting issue at hand. Is that the weaponization of mechanics for any company that poses an ounce of a threat to them. They are obviously going to do this to TemTem, but TemTem has not reached the level of success of Palworld and outsold Pokemon games. Nintendo is essentially saying you cant even try to be bigger than us in the modern day.

[@slimetamer79]

Before DQ5 there was the DQ manga series Dragon quest the adventure of Dai were at the beginning of the story Dai was given magic capsules to carry his monster friends to save Gome-chan, this obvious inspired the pokeball. One funny bit at the end of the second chapter Dai used a capsule to capture the fake hero, so palworld is ripping off DQ for capturing humans🤣.

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Your worst case seems to be "Worst case for a functional and logical legal system that is consistent with it's own rules." I think most people's worst case is "Worst case for a legal system that will break it's own rules and defy logic reason and evidence in service to Big Company Want Money."

[@zerokura]

Since we were talking about balls i thought manscape would been the sponsor lol

[@crobatoverlord7378]

tbh, I have no idea what exactly Nintendos patents include, so I find it hard to make preditions of what is going to happen. However, what I see, is that Palworld did challenge them. It shouldn't have taken too much effort to tweek the designs/style a bit and use color palettes that don't copy those of Pokemon (in case of certain Pals). They chose the similarities on purpose to have an advantage in marketing. And maybe that was the right call because elsewise it might not have blown up that big. Because, from what I've seen, Palworld is not particularly good (Just like Pokemon Gen 8 or 9). "Collect Monsters" and "Build Stuff" are just two basic gameplay mechanics that work really well if implemented halfway decently and Palworld was smart enough to slap them together, even though they were not the first to do so. My point here being, that without the Pokemon aesthetics, Palworld would have probably been overlooked by many. And I think that is the problem Nintendo has with the game: Palworld is trying to profit from the Pokemon-cake instead of baking it's own with similar ingreedients.

[@crobatoverlord7378]

And yes, I don't think Palworld is any better than Pokemon. The state of recent Pokemon games is not really convincing, but Palworld just banks on it's core gameplay carrying the game all the same. It is no rival to Pokemon (just 1 game, older target audience, most fans just play both etc.) and it is not challenging the current state of the franchise. There is no reason to put it on a pedastal when way more ambitious Monster Taming games exist that actually try to find their own identity.

[@digiing1992]

Digimon should be safe then considering they don't have a capturing mechanic similar to Pokémon. ...unless you look at Digimon World 2 which has something akin to it (with the gifts), but not even Bandai Namco themselves seems to care about that game anymore.

[@sillyj7732]

That would leave recruitment systems open but would also set precedent for Dragon Quest to claim ownership over that mechanic and this kind of shit show is why you can't copyright game mechanics in the United States

[@TheNeoVid]

Sadly, you can patent game mechanics in the US, which is why we probably won't see another game with the Nemesis System's adaptive enemies until the 2030s.

[@tiagocosmos]

Nintendo try to stop being absolute evil challenge: impossible.

[@Lapsio]

There's already Miraibo Go. Sh*t hit the fan already and Nintendo can't stop it.

[@dsshocktrooper7523]

And also the upcoming Palworld mobile version 😂

[@RyuDouro]

Actually, isn't the Digivice or even tamagochi is the original concept? I Doubt Nintendo owns those.

[@nerdtanks1439]

The funny thing is Nintendo acts like I haven’t been playing all their switch titles online from my pc for years. Good job ensuring I don’t pay for another game you make, ever.

[@RLHvanDijk]

I hope you do this with other companies as well, otherwise you'd be a hypocrite. And i do think there are more evil companies out there, even game companies, then Nintendo. Besides the emulation scene is a niche thing, so i doubt they will get much done towards Nintendo. Altho i think that they will find out eventually that this will have consequences and they will feel it in some way or another.

[@nerdtanks1439]

@@RLHvanDijk I do. Emulating has always been the best way to preserve games. The difference is I usually collect physical copies of games as well, old habits. Nintendo has cured my need to do that with them. I agree there are more morally questionable gaming companies out there, but Nintendo is the king of petty lawsuits and garbage fair use claims. Literally just sit around and sue anyone who doesn’t paint their games in a perfect light, even game commentary channels got nuked for showing gameplay of Nintendo titles. It’s insane.

[@nerdtanks1439]

@@RLHvanDijk and yea the emulation scene isn’t nearly as popular as it should be. But it’s growing. And it’s clearly concerning enough for them to nuke internet archive and vimms. If you go on Amazon more of the emulator consoles are on the top selling list than actual name brand consoles, which isn’t a great look for the failing console market. At this point they should be glad we even buy their hardware to mod, because there is absolutely nothing a next gen console can do that my built pc cant do better and on multiple virtual consoles at once. Hell I’ve built pcs that would put ps5 specs to shame for cheaper than a new ps5. And Nintendo really doesn’t have a leg to stand on since the steam deck, legion go, and rog ally have actual hardware worth the price under the hood, vs the switch oled having a processor equivalent to a gen 2 iphone. These companies have had a death grip on the industry for so long because building pcs used to be unaffordable and super complex. Now you can Amazon everything to your door and plug and play it basically. Whereas there are versions of both series x and ps5 that won’t have the storage to play the new Call Of Duty out of the box. That’s freaking insane. Spend $500 just to have to buy expanded memory for 1 game. The big 3 have got a lot of ground to cover before their future is secure. Especially Nintendo and Sony who don’t already produce the most popular pc operating system on the planet. Microsoft has a clear advantage there.

[@dsshocktrooper7523]

I find it funny of Nintendo's lawsuit when Palworld released on Playstation, including Japan, and there's an upcoming Mobile version of Palworld, and it has a massive showing at Tokyo Game Show. Nintendo, just take the L and get lost, and take your stupid 100 dollar clock with you.

[@nathanthompson663]

And who is to blame? Pokemon fans... Nintendo was minding their own business but pokemon fans wanted drama. And worst part is THEY are the ones playing Palworld!

[@crobatoverlord7378]

I'd argue that Pocket Pair wanted the drama. They could have easily tweeked their designs enough to not be THAT Pokemon-Like. But they wanted the attention that came with it.

[@dsshocktrooper7523]

​@@crobatoverlord7378Pokémon doesn't own the rights to mammals.

[@Minifutzi_o.O]

I think Digimon has a smart concept there. in one game you copy the data of the digimon and create it then or you collect data parts and then create it. well digimon there a digital so different then most monster taming games.

[@06twar]

It doesn't seem like nintendo has a good foot on this end, but we will see. A lot of people of Japan for some reason hate palworld for copying pokemon, which shows they arent the smartest people around cause the gameplay is CLEARLY different. You dont even really battle monsters, you fight with them acting more as support. Which I dont even think any other game does quite like palworld does it.

[@danielmalinen6337]

It's not just about the catching mechanics, Nintendo has several hundreds of patents, and they have, for example, patented riding on a land and aerial creature in video games and smooth switching between them.

[@user-7vs6]

I think the concern is more on giving mega corpses the ability to bully out competition via patents over the death of a genre. Will it cripple the growth of monster tamers? Possibly. But more importantly, it might cripple other genres if other corpos greedier than Big N see this as a way to snuff out competitors, especially how desperate the AAA industry is right now.

[@SenkaZver]

Do we even know what the actual patents are? I see no new information and everything has been pure speculation.

[@riotkitty]

No we do not, so it’s the wait and see approach for me.

[@aaronyang64dragonproductio88]

To be honest this lawsuit is literally BS and i blame the pokemon fans for this 😠

[@grangisjefe2564]

Pokemon fans are stupid, but they arent the reason nintendo wants to litigate this shit

[@Firedrake-SP]

I really hope that the studio who made Palworld will win their trial against Nintendo.

[@RuuyG]

I think we will see a flood of this genre in the next years, and I think bigger companies will get into it. The patents are not that big of a problem, Palworld got in trouble because they were d0mb and copied the capture mechanic of Arceus almost 1:1. The companies just need to be a bit more creative.

[@arandomchannel5576]

So Nintendo has ball shape patent?, what a joke

[@kaikai9201]

My dogs out here getting videos sponsored by Atlus! We made it Ed. Good work gotta respect the grind!!!

[@Phantomcrustacean]

It doesn’t matter if Nintendo didn’t make those mechanics, if they patent it, by law they do own it and can sue everyone else for having it. Don’t forget that Nintendo is equally as massive as all the other gaming companies, If they want, they can simply stall out a court case until the other side gives in and pays up.

[@o0XS]

Worst case scenario Nintendo wins. No one will be allowed to develop a new monster catching genre game for the next 30 years.

[@catbatrat1760]

2:26 "a-Poke-lyptic"?

[@cliffordkun2844]

I feel bad for Palworld and various monster franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, Moshi Monsters, Monster Sanctuary, TemTem, Monster Crown, Cassette Beast, or Chaotic as well as potential new monster franchises. I may like Pokèmon, but I am really sad to see what Pokèmon have become especially with bullying other monster franchises to remain dominant in the monster taming genre as well as monopolizing the monster taming genre. If Pokèmon wins the lawsuit, it will be goodbye to not only Palworld, but goodbye to Digimon and other monster franchises as well as potential new monster franchises.

[@-8h-]

Since they files the patent adfer the creation of palword, i dont think they have a case. And with it now existing, people will skirt around it with throwing cubes or something. Its pretty easy to get around that stuff

[@DragonmasterKeel]

the patent is about throwing objects in a 3D space so making it a cube won't work

[@Elucidator18]

Appreciate the reasonable point of view

[@bearberserker]

I have always favored using one device to capture or tame monsters in a monster-taming game, which could be an alternative to patents concerning this concept.

[@riotkitty]

Everything is up to speculation at this point, so I adopt the wait and see approach to form an opinion on this. It is kinda crazy tho

[@WarrenHendersonsupra-genius]

From what I have seen of the Palworld guys they will change the mechanic to litigate a monster into submission probably with a red and white legal brief.

[@Gundam79]

The Pokeball was stolen from Robo Trek though.

[@Reystera]

Sometimes competitor is the best way to improve gaming system, can you imagine playing the same game system without improvement but only changing new stage ,a few new mons, changing color red,green, blue etc. That's really un creative

[@kleefirestar]

Everyone called me crazy but i called this kinda shit

[@aaronyang64dragonproductio88]

Yeah this is not cool 😒

[@kleefirestar]

@@aaronyang64dragonproductio88 nintendo has far too many simps that would happily support this cause people in 2024 somehow still think pokemon is the god creator of monster taming and everything else is a "ripoff"

[@joorlon1994]

@@kleefirestar nintendo fans in general are fucking rabid. No one is allowed to enjoy anything that isn't a goofy plumber or a mute elf.

[@kleefirestar]

@@joorlon1994 reminder nintendo was once gonna "patent" jumping

[@cliffordkun2844]

As an ex-Pokémon fan despite me liking Pokèmon, I understand how you feel. Pokèmon especially their fans bullying fans of other monster franchises as well as fellow Pokémon fans and Pokèmon fans cheering on eliminating Pokémon's competitors makes me want to be ashamed on liking Pokèmon.

[@GrimMobius]

So the video is basically an ad for the sponsor with no actual substance. Cool

[@Hi-iv9si]

The whole capturing and releasing from a device idea pokemon usesis from ultraseven tv show. I wish that could be considered lol

[@RoyalWill02]

Nintendo sucks.

[@TheOFCMedia]

I'm glad I didn't use a throwing capture device in my game

[@Dany-rx7rs]

😮😮

[@rodseller9936]

I fear for Nexomon.

[@DullestStar9299]

I'd like to correct you; Robotrek used a device in which you sent customized robots into battle. I'm also pretty sure the device was a ball, and the game predates Pokemon.

[@GymLeaderEd]

@@DullestStar9299 oh shit really?

[@DullestStar9299]

Yeah, man. I honestly wouldn’t have known if I didn’t watch some retrospective of Terranigma, and I wouldn’t have believed it myself if the video didn’t show footage of the player character in Robotrek throwing out their bot into battle… but, yeah. Really. Lol. My mind was blown too.

[@mathewpestel8214]

Have you seen a game called Necro Story ? It's out on the 18th and is a monster tamer game .

[@kcelenemkrishnan7778]

I don't understand why Pocketpair didn't use something else to capture pals.

[@crobatoverlord7378]

My guess is that they specifically tried to make it as close to Pokemon as possible to stir things up and get attention. From the other comments, I derive that the form of the capture device doesn't really matter in terms of the copyright, but I think that the whole act of challenging Pokemon lead to this situation, not the vague copyrights Nintendo holds.

[@matthewreimer2872]

People have already pointed out that the patent regarding capturing has nothing to do with the capture device itself so I won't repeat that, but most games in the genre do not utilize the 3D capture mechanics in question. The genre will be fine. Palworld is a blip on the radar only because the devs wanted to utilize Pokehate to fuel their game's moderate success and openly taunted Nintendo. Now they want to play the victim and people are eating it up. Of course the lawsuit is still ridiculous and Nintendo should have their rather vague patents revoked imo, but Palworld devs got exactly what they asked for. Played too close to the fire and now they'll probably pay for it even though those patents never should have been awarded to Nintendo to begin with. But I don't really care either way. Palworld was never going to be something big enough to actually threaten Pokemon or make them sweat enough to change for the better. And Pokemon/Nintendo are similarly not a genre killer and truly innovative games in the genre, that involve more than generically mashing up 2 genres, will have no problem flourishing without legal troubles. All that being said...I'm still enjoying Palworld on my PS5!

[@Natzawa]

I hope atlus sues them then. Because they started the “monster/demon” taming / partnership back with the old megaten series.

[@NegaLimbo]

I sort of had one or two ideas for my own Monster Taming games, but now... 🙁

[@zanzazaar]

Reading people on discord, they deserve no monster taming games. But I hope it is not. Nintendo deserve to be ripped of everything that was fun in pokemon, lazy b......s

[@ProfessorWaifu]

At least it doesn't affect the US game devs

[@bruhverlybruh4012]

My concern is it might spook Nexomon 3. Might get postponed.

[@unf3z4nt]

Could this lawsuit be a violation of antitrust laws?

[@alphamuplays1669]

There has to be more to it than just the capture mechanic, i know its japan so our basic understanding of eastern law makes it hard to understand, but there are a TON of games out there that use capture mechanics similar to pokemon that havnt been sued. If its just the fact they use a ball shaped object itd be kind of stupid. Either way there is a reason i dont buy nintendo games anymore, if your first assumption is the company is abusing the law its pretty safe to say their reputation is in the dirt.

[@elvickRULES]

Most aren’t Japanese studios, the only hope to win a case like this is in Japan. There’s no way such vague patents would be upheld as legal in western countries.

[@alphamuplays1669]

@@elvickRULES i may be wrong, but, im pretty sure you have to go to court in the country of the company that is sueing you, so it wouldnt have to hold up in western court because it would still be a japanese court

[@lilymoncat]

There is if you look at the additional facts that Palworld hit big in January of this year and at the Pokemon Direct in February Gamefreak announced there'd be no new mainline Pokemon games this year despite their usual bi-yearly schedule recently. Factor in the outcry about Scarlet/Violet to the point where Nintendo actually had to issue refunds. Gamefreak's cash-cow produced a sickly calf and then Palworld was a huge hit. It scared Gamefreak and Nintendo, so they're now trying to buy time to release a 'better' game and if they manage to torpedo anyone else from using a 'capture device' of any kind even better for them.

[@D3adCl0wn]

Heck it's not even to win a legal battle, this is scorched earth tactic to hit Pocketpair financially. Palworld Entertainment Inc is literally an expansion similar to The Pokemon Company (the thing that sparked Pokemania). No other monster IP has expanded like TPC until Palworld Entertainment Inc.

[@in-craig-ible6160]

We always seem to end up returning to the worst timeline somehow.

[@dragongoddragneel7106]

It's over 😞😭

[@davidwinnerwise896]

Palworld is a very unoriginal game (they've been pretty bold about it too), and that's probably what's irritating Nintendo. Think about it, they tried to sue them for copying Pokémon designs but that didn't work out (correct me if I'm wrong). So, they try to exploit some loophole to take Palworld down. Games like Coromon and Cassette Beasts are LITERALLY on the Switch. I don't think Nintendo is trying to destroy the Monster Taming genre (I agree with Ed that people are overreacting about this) It looks more like a personal gripe with Palworld in particular. Yes, they're being petty but whether or not it's from fear of competition I'm not so sure. Cassette Beasts in my opinion, holds immense potential to overshadow Pokémon in the future yet they didn't seem bothered by its existence. That aside, I'm just happy that now there's a lot of competition that's going to force the Pokémon company to start innovating again.

[@dsshocktrooper7523]

Your so wrong it hurts, Nintendo can't sue whatsoever because the Pals are distinct where you can't sue for copyright, they're suing for patents aka Nintendo is Patent trolling.

[@riotkitty]

No Nintendo did not already try to sue Pocket Pair over Pals designs and it most likely isn’t about that as it’s over patents, not copyright

[@brianestrada1993]

Can SMT sue Dragon Quest and Pokemon?

[@babyfreeD]

Always think a cardcaptor Sakura

[@tylercafe1260]

Pokemon isn't even the franchises real name. That's how I know Palworld already lost these court cases as soon as I saw it. Pokemon is the nickname we use for marketing. "Pocket Monsters". The game you don't want to copy is "Pocket Monsters". "How do they fit into your Pocket?" Using a "Pocket Ball". Do you see why adding "Pal" means nothing? That's why other games have different mediums like Digimon doesn't even have a capture or summoning thing. Most the time Digimon are just physically with you at all times. SMT you just have Magic so no need to really define anything. TemTem uses Cards but they also heavily imply Tems were all artificially created a long time ago. Pokemon don't have a definitive origin which is a good thing because that allows other games to have their own stories like Cassette Beasts and how Spirits are used in that worlds setting. Palmons unfortunately decided to again copy Pokemon with it's lore. "Where do Pals come from? Nobody knows" They copied 99% when they should've aimed for 80%.

[@dsshocktrooper7523]

That thing about Temtem's being artificial is not correct. That really only applies to Digital Temtem. And also Temtem is literally a Pokémon clone

[@TheBabylonTheGreat]

I don't know what will happen any better than the rest of us but I hope Nintendo burns. One of the greediest companies in gaming for years pushing out recycled slop content. My new favorite monster capturing genre game is Palworld from now on 💯 I refuse to even compare the two anymore because it seems like an insult to the people at Pocketpair- having to be compared to a shittier version of their game all the time

[@Skeeerttttt]

What I don't understand is how they aren't suing for the actual issue... The blatant ripoff designs. There's not many, but the ones that are bad are BAD.

[@squali1930]

Dro Ghost!

[@nathanthompson663]

Ruining things for everybody...

[@nerdtanks1439]

If Pokemon would focus on good shows and games rather than DEI they wouldn’t have to worry about going under….

[@RacieB]

Please explain what diversity/equality/inclusion has to do with the subject at hand, or why it would preclude "good shows and games" from Pokémon

[@blackdoctorstrange]

DEI? Wtf are you talking about?

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

​​​@@RacieBThere was a poll recently that made it loud and clear 95% of gamers DESPISE DEI especially because it tends to compromise overall artistic quality. Remember Dustborn? Concord? Forspoken? Anyone that tries to speak up for it or defend it is a loud minority based on that fact. I am an African man myself but I refused to touch Pokemon Path To The Peak with its unappealing Steven Universe artstyle on the humans juxtaposed to Pokemon keeping their anime artstyle. I am not interested in the blatant tokenization of that Pokemon product either. Same applies to the soulless ugly The Little Mermaid remake when I can watch the colorful soulful animated original, for example. I can spend my time watching the original anime instead of Pokemon Path To The Peak.

[@nerdtanks1439]

@@blackdoctorstrange watch the new shows. If you don’t see it nobody can help you. Just like the games. Instead of listening to polls and doing what the player base wants they have select groups they are trying to cater to. Nobody gives a crap how many black or gender undecided characters you have when the soul of the franchise is gone. The development team clearly cares more about including more humans than making Pokemon...which is why their games aren’t retaining players, and the views on the Netflix garbage shows are all time lows for the franchise….

[@nerdtanks1439]

@@RacieB because hiring someone based on anything other than job performance ensures that the most qualified and best person for the position will not be the one they hire. Look at Star Wars. Look at Disney. Hemorrhaging money release after release is not what builds companies to multi billion dollar enterprises, it’s what brings them to their knees eventually.

[@chinimon8259]

Nin ten do screwed themselves globally they have money yes but now we see who they rrally are they hate their fan base they never listen to we always asked for an adult type pokemon game but they shut down everyone who tries All they had to do is make a deal with pocket Im sure it would work pocket help them promote kids games And palworld for adults or something like that even having crossover events Having pokemon on palworld for the even And pals in pokemon via the event even get skins lol who wouldnt want to roast a bulbasaur 😂😂

[@MonsterTamer69]

Nintendo is mad bc nobody buys Nintendo consoles anymore. PlayStation, Xbox and Pc are better. Nintendo messed up by not making traditional consoles.

[@elvickRULES]

Switch is looking to outsell DS and PS2, but okay.

[@snintendog]

iT only PC Xbox and Playstation are dead too.

[@MonsterTamer69]

@@snintendog yeah definitely. PC is definitely way better happy I got one . Still PlayStation a little bit. But your right PC is where it's at

[@AnangRabo]

Still i think "multiple lawsuits" for patent infringement is kind stupid. Especially with how stagnant pokemon formula. To be fair to nintendo they have right to sue palworld just not like this. Like big or small patent like this will impact the genre. Compare to tredmark or copyright case if you have different market and uses it fairly "as parody" like how yakuza mini game have pokemon like mechanic it's still legal. For me if Nintendo want to be more fair they can just sue for tredmark. Like "Pokemon with gun" if that damage pokemon brand just say it. Don't make other indie studio get screw of Nintendo stupid patent.

[@dsshocktrooper7523]

Nintendo had no right whatsoever to sue Palworld. They just got greedy when they saw how successful Palworld was.

[@AnangRabo]

​@@dsshocktrooper7523 For comparation if you make a fastfood restaurant and some streetfood vendor sell same menu as you. Uses similar logo like your restaurant and people's start liking streetfood than your restoran because of that.Did you don't have any complain. Sure it's not fair to uses patent to sue but branding in the market is something protected by law. That what my point of view i okey if you disagree with that. I just want to make it clear.

[@haroldnecmann7040]

Damn ur full of horse manure​@@AnangRabo